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If your Ana de Haro died in 1716 she cannot be the same Ana de Haro that I have nor can she be the daughter of Juan de Miramonte since he was born circa 1550 and all of his children appeared marrie by 1629 so your Ana de Haro would have to have been over 100 years old when she died to be Juan de Miramonte's daughter. She is probably a granddaughter or great-granddaughter of Juan de Miramonte and Maria de Haro y Saucedo, not their daughter.

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From: George Luna
Date: 2006/07/17 Mon PM 01:20:50 CDT
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Haro Ancestors

Hi Arturo,
This is very interesting but confusing. I have the death document (1716,
Jerez) for Ana de Aro which has her married to Diego de la Torre. What
are the dates on your records and are these really two Ana de Aros?
George

arturoramos wrote:
> I have recently found a document in Archivos Espanoles en Red for Nicolas de Haro, who was son of Hernando de Haro and grandson of Juan de Miramonte and Maria de Haro y Saucedo. He states that his great-grandparents were Francisco Bobadilla and Maria Saucedo, which matches this claim:
>
> The parents of Anna Francisca de Haro were Juan de Miramontes and Maria Rodriguez de Haro Y Saucedo. Juan's parents are Francisco de Miramontes and Maria de Rivera. Maria Rodriguez's parents are Francisco de Bobadilla and Maria O Haro de Saucedo de Llavo.
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> I do not have Ana Francisca de Haro down as a child of Juan de Miramonte and Maria de Haro y Saucedo, but I do have her down married to a Juan Ortiz de San Pedro, who was the brother of Cecilia Lopez (the second wife of Hernando de Haro and stepmother of Nicolas de Haro)... two pairs of siblings married to each other. It makes sense, particularly since I believe that the Ortiz de San Pedro and Haro Miramontes were the only Spanish families in Tlaltenango in the early 1600s.

While I am sure I will eventually link some branch (or branches) of my genealogy to the Miramontes Haro clan, I have not as of yet. I am researching this family because they were so prolific in the early history of Tlaltenango and I have been working on a project for several months now of extracting out and connecting the records in the earliest Tlaltenango marriage film which is not indexed.

I have found the passenger record for Juan de Miramonte who immigrated from Spain to Mexico in 1562 as a "criado" of Anton Perez. A scan of that document is available in the GEDCOM database. I have not tried to trace him back further in Spain.

I have one ancestor whose passenger record I have been able to find... Juan de Llanos y Valdes who immigrated from Oviedo, Asturias, Spain to Michoacan in 1634. I have not yet tried to trace him back in Spain. I am concentrating on trying to trace back a family that lived near Tlaltenango in the mid-1600s to which I can trace six lineages... Isabel de Covarrubias and Jacinto Lopez de Talamantes.

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From: papagaia2
Date: 2006/07/17 Mon PM 02:18:39 CDT
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Haro Ancestors

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arturo Ramos"

Arturo,
Have you "made the leap," into Spain with your Haro line?
Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arturo Ramos"
To: "papagaia2" ;
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Haro Ancestors
"I am concentrating on trying to trace back a family that lived near
Tlaltenango in the mid-1600s to which I can trace six lineages... Isabel de
Covarrubias and Jacinto Lopez de Talamantes."
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Arturo,

In trying to locate Tino's "Corvera/Corbera," ancestry, I have come across
Gregorio Covarruvias m. to Maria Guadalupe Corbera, with a son Jose De La
Encarnacion Covarruvias Corbera, bapt 31 March 1841 Tlaltenango, Zacatecas,
are these members of the Covarrubias family that you are researching from
Tlaltenango?
Per the LDS familysearch.org website the Corvera/Corbera surname has only
appeared in Mexico as of the early 1700s, though the name of Asencio Corbera
appears on Gary Felix' website as being a member of the Cortez Party from
Spain to Mexico. That time frame would have been 1519 - 1521. Wonder what
happened from the early 1500s to the early 1700s with this surname/family.
Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
Pat

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