Historia Palentina

Buenos días.

Me permito colocar dos enlaces que pueden ser interés.

El primero es que los artículos que escribió el historiador Marcial de Castro sobre Autillo de Campos (Palencia) los pueden encontrar en el siguiente enlace:

https://historiaautillodecampos.blogspot.com/

El segundo es uno de mi propio sitio web donde he subido las fotos del letrero en forma de R que se está colocando en Reinoso de Cerrato y que contiene la biografía del caballero hospitalario Gutierre Pérez de Reinoso.

https://tiafgs.com/r-for-reinoso

Un saludo,

Jacinto de la Torre

Sancho de Rentería legítimamente procreó a doña Angela de Rentería Velasco y
Mójica Río de la Loza, quien casó con don Juan del Campo y de la Torre,
progenitor de Manuel de la Torre y Rentería, casado a su vez con doña María
Josefa González de Haro y López, hija de don Gabriel González de Haro y de
doña Mariana de Güero, que a su vez fue hija de don Sebastián de Agüero y de
Isabel de Rojas, vecinos de la ciudad de Zacatecas, donde contrajeron
nupcias el 6 de noviembre de 1619.

Manuel y Josefa procrearon a Jacinto de la Torre González nacido en la
villa de Jerez el año de 1686 y casado así mismo en Jerez el año de 1702
con doña Catalina de Llanos y Valdés, hija menor del Capitán don Juan José
de Llanos y Valdés y de doña Juana de Avila y Silva, fallecida en el pueblo
de Colotlán antes del año de 1685.

Al presentarse a la iglesia el día 21 de marzo de 1702, Jacinto de la Torre
declaró ser español y tener edad de 16 años, además de ser natural y vecino
de la villa de Jerez, firmando su dicho, mismo en el que dijo ser ya
fallecido Manuel de la Torre,su padre. De igual modo lo hizo Catalina de
Llanos y Valdés, española, de 18 años de edad, natural y vecina de la villa
de Jerez. Además señaló que el pretenso le es deudor de su honra, y no firmó
por no saber. En esta información fue primer testigo: Pedro
González,español, de 65 años de edad y maestro de niños, vecino de la villa
de Jerez que dijo tener consigo al pretenso desde muy pequeño, enseñandolo a
leer, cuya declaración firmó.

mismo sabe que dicho don Isidro de la Torre es legítimo hijo de don Jacinto
de la Torre y de doña Catarina de Llanos y Valdés. Responde a la segunda
pregunta, pregunto que don Juan José de Llanos y Valdés abuelo del que
declara, y bisabuelo de dicho Bachiller, fue casado con doña Juana de Avila
y entre diversos hijos, procrearon a la expresada doña Catarina Valdés,
mujer que fue de dicho don Jacinto de la Torre, sin que en esto haya razon
de dudar. A la tercera responde, que aunque no conoció a don Tomás de Avila
(foto No. 9).

Al presentarse a la iglesia el día 21 de marzo de 1702, Jacinto de la Torre
declaró ser español y tener edad de 16 años, además de ser natural y vecino
de la villa de Jerez, firmando su dicho, mismo en el que dijo ser ya
fallecido Manuel de la Torre, su padre. De igual modo lo hizo Catalina de
Llanos y Valdés, española, de 18 años de edad, natural y vecina de la villa
de Jerez. Además señaló que el pretenso le es deudor de su honra, y no firmó
por no saber. En esta información fue primer testigo: Pedro González,
español, de 65 años de edad y maestro de niños, vecino de la villa de Jerez
que dijo tener consigo al pretenso desde muy pequeño, enseñándole a leer,
cuya declaración firmó.

Description: Bautizado en Jerez el 15 de mayo de 1686. Padrinos: don José
Sánchez Castellanos de Haro y doña Josefa de Chávez Ruíz de Soto, casados el
11 de junio de 1675. Archivo de la parroquia La Inmaculada de Jerez, Zac. L

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Kutsaraipa: Lugar Mítico donde se Reunieron los Antepasados
SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES
http://jerez-zacatecas.webcindario.com (web Vieja mas Completa)
http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com
http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/
http://jerezzacatecas-salvador.blogspot.com/
http://club.telepolis.com/jerz/
http://jerezzacatecas.galeon.com/

Alonso Velasco Bernal

Hi everyone,

I've been doing some research on Alonso Velasco Bernal, but I can't seem to find any documents that mention his children. Are there any later chronicles that mention them? Everyone seems to identify at least two sons, Bernabé and Francisco. My question is, how do we know they are the sons of Alonso Velasco Bernal and Ana Fuentes Flores?

Genealogical Coin Collecting

I visited my parents for christmas and my dad happened to be doing inventory on his massive coin collection. For the first time ever I saw it in its entirety. They were pretty neat so I decided to start myself.

Now in all of history so many different coins have been made, so I decided I needed a focus for my collection. I decided I would collect coins that my ancestors would have used.

So if you guys were curious, here are some pictures of what reales looked like that were minted in colonial Mexico.

https://imgur.com/a/ximcoxv

Now we know what coins they used to pay for those notary pages!

Alex

Ethics and Geneaology

Hello,

I am not sure if this was discussed before, but I wanted to get additional information and this forum's thoughts on the ethicalness of performing DNA tests on the remains of deceased ancestors.

1. I have no background in biology/chemistry, but I was wondering whether anyone has some insight as to whether DNA can be gathered from the remains of interred ancestors. For example, would bones that are 150 years old provide DNA which could be compared to more "recent" DNA? How useful would such DNA be?

2. How ethical would it be to "dig up" old tombstones and to perform these tests? Is there a period of time/generations where it becomes more and more okay? Say individuals deceased over 100 years ago?

3. Are there any university projects or initiatives that have taken this approach?

Appreciate any thoughts,

Rafael

New Members: A Suggestion!/Nuevos miembros: Una Sugerencia!

I would suggest RESENDING your introduction to the group and ADDING the URL to your folder. I would ALSO suggest anytime you add information to your folder you send a message to the group letting us know you've made changes and ALSO ADD the URL to your folder. The goal is for other members researching YOUR same geographical location in our research area to possibly make a connection and either advance their own genealogy or help you advance your genealogy. Oh and don't forget you might find a cousin or two in the process.

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Sugeriría VOLVER A ENVIAR su introducción al grupo y AGREGAR la URL a su carpeta. TAMBIÉN sugeriría que cada vez que agregue información a su carpeta, envíe un mensaje al grupo para informarnos que ha realizado cambios y TAMBIÉN AGREGUE la URL a su carpeta. El objetivo es encontrar otros miembros cuya área de investigación sea la misma que SU área geográfica de investigación y posiblemente hacer una conexión y avanzar en su propia genealogía o ayudarlo a avanzar en su genealogía. Ah, y no olvides que podrías encontrar un primo o dos en el proceso.

Question about geneology of Jalisco, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes

My question is about what provinces to be included in the geneology of Nuestros Ranchos.

It is supposed to be the provinces of Jalisco, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes which back in the colonial days would had been the region of "Nueva Galicia."

Nueva Galicia as well as other northern provinces such as Nayarit, Durango, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon, Los Californias and Texas was under jurisdiction of the Real Audencia Government of Guadalajara of Jalisco province. As well as the Catholic Bishop of Guadalajara who had religious jurisdiction.

So my question is should nuestros ranchos should include the geneology of those other northern provinces as well since our ancestors were governed by the Real Audencia and Catholic Bishop of Guadalajara/Jalisco?

New member introduction

Hello!
My name is Adrian, I’m in my early 20s and recently became interested in my ancestry. My mothers side of the family is from Calvillo, Aguascalientes, El Bajio de San Jose, Encarnacion de diaz, Jalostitlan and Teocaltiche. My fathers maternal side is from Meson de Los sauces, Encarnacion de diaz and Jalostitlan, teocaltiche, San Juan de Los Lagos and Lagos de Moreno. My fathers side is where I would like to expand. I’ve hit a brick wall as my paternal grandfather and his father were born in the United States in the late 1800s and early 1900s so there is no record of their birth in Mexico to start my journey back. So if anyone has any info on the Martinez family in meson de Los sauces please PM me.

My common surnames on my tree are: Jaime/Jayme/Xayme, Villaseñor, Macias, Martinez, Martin, Martin Del Campo, Lozano, Cruz.

Also I’ve gotten my DNA results back from 23&me, Ancestry Dna and familytreedna can anyone give me insight on how I have Cryprus DNA, 2% and middle eastern DNA 4% as a Mexican. I have managed to find key members on this dna like my Jewish ancestors who were European Jews forced to convert. I still haven’t found any actual records on the indigenous people. Just Mestizo records.

Paternal haplogroup: J2a1b1: J2- M92
Maternal haplogroup: H

Images for Batch M60575-1

I am looking for the images that correspond to the indexed records for batch M60575-1. The records are for San Juan Bautista, Apaseo el Grande, Guanajuato, México, and they are linked to digital folder number 4786295 and microfilm number 654418. I searched the referenced film (654418) and didn't find images that matched the corresponding indexed records. Has anyone here come across them on another roll of film? Any help would be very much appreciated.

Ramirez in Ayo/Arandas

I've hit a brick wall with a RAMIREZ line I'm currently researching. I'm looking for the parents of Nicolas RAMIREZ and his spouse Maria de la Concepcion MORALES/MORONES/MORANTES. They lived in “las Cruces” in the parishes of Ayo el Chico and Arandas.

To the best of my knowledge, their children are as follows:

Juana RAMIREZ b. 1731

Juan RAMIREZ b. 1734

Thoribio RAMIREZ b. about 1739; married 1759

Ana de la Luz RAMIREZ b. 1741

Nicolás Antonio RAMIREZ b. 1744

Any assistance given would be greatly appreciated.

Glenn

Retoños de España de la Nueva Galicia

Retoños de España de la Nueva Galicia is a 10-volume set that we are selling by individual volumes. Formerly the books were only sold as a complete set however our non-profit organization, Hispanic Heritage Project, has received permission from the author to reprint and sell by individual volumes. Go to our website, Panes.info and click the tab named BOOKS for further information.

JUAN GOMEZ TERRAZAS

ALGUIEN TENDRA INFORMACION DE JUAN GOMEZ TERRAZAS CASADO CON ANTONIA DE MENDOZA O ANTONIA GOMEZ DE MENDOZA, QUE ENTRE SUS HIJOS QUE NACIERON A PRINCIPIO DE LOS 1700 SON:

POLONIA GOMEZ CASADA EN CUQUIO EL 18 DE JULIO DE 1728 CON GREGORIO VASQUEZ DE ESTRADA, (HIJO DE ANTONIO Y ANTONIA DE ESTRADA)

DOMINGO GOMEZ DE MENDOZA CASADO CON MARIA DE MERCADO PLACENCIA

BERNARDINO GOMEZ DE MENDOZA CASADO CON NICOLASA DE ESTRADA

JUAN GOMEZ DE TERRAZAS Y MENDOZA CASADO CON MARGARITA GONZALEZ RODRIGUEZ

LAUREANO GOMEZ TERRAZAS CASADO CON MARIA ANNA VARGAS DE RUBALCAVA (HIJA DE JUAN ANTONIO DE VARGAS Y CATARINA DE RUBALCAVA).

Looking for confirmation of Regina de Villaseñor Cuevas parents

I found a post claiming an ancestry of Regina Villaseñor Cuevas. I was am hoping for a discussion on its validity

The post is attributed to Jorge Luis Ramirez Gomez

Here it is:

"Publicado el 7 de julio de 2007 por Genealogia.org.mx
Estándar
Hola Carmen, las hermanas Ana Basilia y María Margarita debieron nacer
por 1752 y 1760, en Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco.

Los Villaseñor Orozco, son descendientes de Juan de Villaseñor y
Orozco, el cual nació aprox. en 1500 en Villa Vélez, Toledo, España,
el cual casó cerca de 1532 en Huango, Michoacán, México con Catalina
Cervantes de Lara, originaria de Burguillos, España.

Sus descendientes se establecieron principalmente en Michoacán, pero,
como en la mayoría de los casos, algunos se iban a otros lugares o las
mujeres casaban con personas de pueblos y lugares cercanos. Mi
ancestro Villaseñor mas cercano a mí es Regina de la Cueva y
Villaseñor, hija de Francisco de Cuevas y Monjarás y de María de
Villaseñor y Lomelí. Regina casó con el jalostotitlense Miguel
González de Hermosillo y Camarena."

Saludos and introduction Dora Escobedo

Hola y saludos! I'm not sure if this is the place to post an introduction. If not, could someone please direct me to the appropriate place to post.
My name is Dora Escobedo (previously Gomez) and I've been a member of this group for a long time. However, I had life hit me and was not able to keep up with the research due to family obligations and hitting numerous brick walls. I am very glad to be back!!
After the pandemic and availability of more records on Familysearch.org, I was able to get back online and have found numerous ancestors. On my husband's Jalisco side (Escobedo) I have been able to go back to Capitan Diego Romo de Vivar and some other Captains. Of course on my side, I have many mestizos in the state of Zacatecas and one branch that comes from Jalisco. I'm still looking for a carpenter or merchant at least to match the captains on my husband's side of the family :).
My research areas are Sain Alto, Sombrerete, Rio Grande, Villa de Cos, Fresnillo, and Valparaiso, in Zacatecas. As well as Magdalena, Tequila, Cuquio, Huejuquillo, San Juan de los Lagos, in Jalisco.
The surnames are many but the main ones are Gomez, Escobedo, Castro, Gonzalez, Castrejon, Corona, Mejia, Monsivais and Flores.
In particular, I am also interested in obtaining old photos of any ancestors. I also have a DNA test on Ancestry. Looking forward to more research and connections.

GEDCOM, new user

Hi, I'm new to the website and was trying to find out how to create GEDCOM files online? I can't seem to actually open any of those links, only hover over them to see what's there.

I was also wondering if there was a template for how to share my info besides the register style list.

Emily

Presentation

Hi everyone!

I recently joined the forum, and I'm very happy to have done so! I've been working on my family tree now for 5 years, it's something that I love, the research and being able to find the names of my ancestors.

Have a great day everyone!
TM

Church records of Cañadas de Obregon? Perez family?

Has anybody researched in or around Cañadas de Obregon? I'm looking for the church records for this town but they don't come out on familysearch. Were they ever filmed? And if not, are they located in another parish? I'm trying to find info on the Perez family (yes, those from the famous corrido), who may be related to my wife. I was able to find the civil registry of Cañadas, and the death certificates of Ysidro Perez, Mariano Perez, and Jesus Munoz Perez. However, I'm also interested in their church records since they may provide additional information about this family.

Any advice? I learned that the town was named Villa Obregon for several decades, but that name does not come out on familysearch either.

Steve in NC

Manuela Padilla 1861 about

I have been searching for Manuela Padilla's baptismal document for many years with no luck. I have found Her parents' Marriage record and her mother's death record. Her mother died around the time I suspect she was born. The death record states her death was sudden and violent so I suspect she died in childbirth. Her mother was Francisca Gallo and this is the link to her death record. Maria Francisca Gallo

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-K33L-P5?i=27&cc=1874591

Her parents marriage record link Jose Antonio Padilla & Maria Francisca Gallo

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-JJS3-48?cc=1874591&wc=3JFL…

I have located Manuela's Civil and Church Marriage records, Listed below

Civil - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPXG-H4Z?i=13&wc=MGDD-…

hurch - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19425-13546-15?cc=1874591&wc…

Thank you in advance for any assistance in locating Manuela Padilla's baptismal record.
Patricia Paulo

Tree Trolls - Adding profiles here to prevent new comers from perpetuating mistakes.

Few days ago we were commenting on how in Family Search there is been a huge amount of records modified and wrongly merged (on purpose) by trolls, been the most notorious "Mbarrena" who also goes by other names.

One of the problems in Family Search is the "volunteering" that seems to give "points" to LDS Church members, who many been inexperienced end up confusing names and merging people generations apart. This is still understandable. I'm not referring those here in this topic. I'm exclusively talking about people who intentionally change data even when sources are given to prove it.

This are definitely trolls, they just do it for fun or out of jealousy, they have no intention on helping or collaborating, they just want to mess around with the information.

In that conversation we had in the other topic (which I didn't continue, as it was kind of hijacking the main topic) there was a suggestion to use WikiTree, I checked it out and give it a try, well, it only takes a few moves before you get bombarded by this trolls such as "Don Ximenes", you can tell they hide under silly nicknames, they every connect themselves to the tree, and they spend quite a bit of time changing information instead of researching, in fact they will not add real information, they just go after what has already been posted.

The consequential problem and one that is becoming more eminent is that new comers may think that the data that is been wrongly modified is correct and they en up perpetuating wrong information (without intention) due to the lack of experience.

This is why I think we need to point out this profiles so people are aware of this and hopefully prevent inexperienced researchers from taking data for granted.

Once again, there is nothing better than posting genealogy on personal website and for everyone to keep the records safe in your own files.

The Shame List (please add the ones you had found)
Mbarrena aka JGPS aka NataliaFranco6 (and more to discover)
Jovanni Ramos
Don Ximenes