Nuestros Ranchos Site

Jonathan,

What a great question to ask the group............I have enjoyed reading everyone's postings and the various reasons for beginning to do Genealogical research and the reasons for continuing to do research.

Thanks everyone for sharing so openly and honestly, it makes for a great book on Genealogy.

Now another question, is anyone in your family offended because you do family research and with the findings??
Meaning dark skeleton's in the family closet that may or may not have been intentional findings.

Thanks again to everyone, great reading.
Alicia

I recently came across this Baptism entry in which the child is mentioned to be slave of Balthazar Correa.

-En la yga. de Tepichitlan en dose de dho mes y ano baptize y puse lo SS. Oleos y Chrisma a Jsea Rozalia, esclava de Dn. Balthazar Correa de nueve dias hija de Manuela, fue su Mna. Ju Gertrudis Segura y le adverti su oblig.n y parentesco y lo firme (firma ilegible)-

Does anyone know of other cases of slavery in Tlaltenango, Atolinga or in the region?

Hi Everyone,

Does anyone know how to open the documents to view in this public archive of Aguascalientes? I want to look at a 3 page document of a esclavo that was bought by Fernando De La Campa y Cos in 1724. In the past, I did view it but I didn't save the documents. Now when I want to view it, it doesn't open.

To use Publica Archive of Aguascalientes:

http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/

Usuario: sigue.publica

Clave: publica

Once you log in click on the "SGG Archivo Historico"

Then click the drop down menu of "Tipo Documental"

I chose the topic "Compraventa Esclavo"

And on pages 301 - 400 of 488 near the bottom under the head title "Contratantes" is the transaction by Fernando De La Campa y Coz

I clicked on that and it tries to open but never does. Before in the past it did, but now when I want to read that document in more detail it won't open.

I hope one of you can help out and thank you if you try to help.

Does anyone have information on the Sevilla or Renteria family of Tecolotlan/Juchitlan, Jalisco, Mexico? Researching the lineage and am hitting a brick wall with a man named Jose Miguel Sevilla (Cebilla). Married 10FEB1841 to MA Ambrosia Garcia. Possible birth in the 1815-1820's.

There were several men named Francisco Xavier Romo de Vivar in Aguascalientes in the early 1700's. My research is focused on the man that was married to Juana Dias Montanes de Sandi. I estimate he was born between 1700 and 1715. I've identified three individuals that appear to be the children of Francisco Xavier and Juana.Lazaro Salvador who was baptized in Aguascalientes Feb 26, 1748Antonia Leandra who was baptized in Aguascalientes April 6, 1742
Ana Maria who was married in Teocaltiche on Jan 22, 1753 (probably born around 1735).  I only have her marriage record.I believe, but cannot prove, that Francisco Xavier is the son of Nicolas Romo de Viva and Francisca Xaviera Gallardo.It is equally possible that Francisco Xavier is the son of Cristobal Romo de Vivar and and his first, Josefa Macias. Following her death Cristobal married Maria Munoz de la Barba.I've pretty much been able to rule out most other possibilities, but there may be someone I missed that could be his father.I have looked though most marriage and Informacion Matrimonial records looking for some document that confirms the names of the parents of Francisco Xavier (again keeping in mind there are others by this name that are not of the right age). So far no luck.If anyone has come across any record that can aid me in my research please let me know.Thanks.

Hola Buenos días a todos los compañeros

en esta link pueden encontrar el listado de los Padrones de Jalisco para la ayuda de sus arboles genealógicos son muy buenos en caso de que no encuentren alguna partida matrimonial o de bautizo

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/2302988?availability=Family…

in tracing my paternal linage, knowing full well, that they were Yndígenas in the beginning. & here is where i am trying to find the original person, who got "issued" the "Hernándes ~
Errnandes" surname. now i am aware, that on my maternal side, those ancestors were Españoles, through & through, from Los Altos. & i was able to purchase the books of the Padrones for that area, from as early as 1630. most of my ancestors are there [maternal]. also have the "Retoños Series," by M. González-Leal. all of the familias are there, as that side, has been there for over 400 years. i can see how the owners gave their surname to either an Yndígena or a Slave, once they were freed, that persons surname. all of this is also in the padrones. & so my simple question is this. my Great Grand-Father to the 4th power, {Francisco Sibrian Hernándes} was married in 1758 in Zacoalco de Torres. i have that document & in that Marriage Certificate, it states that His Father is: Gerónimo de la Cruz & His Mum is: Maria Salome [Yndia]. & that Francisco was originally from Xocotepec, Jalisco. as best as i can figure this out, he was given that surname & was Freed. Well, Then...There must have been a Rancho or Hacienda de Labor, in Xocotepec, or around that area, where He worked & got the Surname. His Dad is a "de la Cruz" which applied to many-many Yndígenas, throughout Jalisco, in that era. i see it a lot in Los Altos also. was there ever published a similar book, about that areas Church records [Padrones] & where can i find one, if they are available somewhere. Los Altos was very well documented, that is for sure& much is available. Thank You & Hopefully, someone might have a clue. i did try to see if a Baptismal record existed for Him, in Xocotepec, but no dice.

Good evening, all. My name is Sebastian and I have been digging through records to expand my knowledge about my ancestors. I split my browsing between my Mexican side, mostly Zacatecas and Aguascalientes so far, and my Guatemalan side. I have now been working on my tree for a bit and have picked up a few resources that have aided me. I have come to a set of distant grandparents, Jose/Joseph Miguel Romo de Vivar and his wife, Ysabel Rosaura Lopez de Navas, of which I have not seen a solid link connecting Jose Migl to his parents. These are mentioned in the marriage between Ricardo Romo de Vivar and Geronima Anastacia de Velasco, document which I have linked below. I have seen many people place a completely different set of parents for the couple that gets married, with no supporting documents. I'd like to ask if anyone could shed light on this (hopefully saving me a ton of time) or know who the parents of Jose Migl are, before I attempt to look through films. Link to document(second entry):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DY3Q-X25?i=108&cc=1502…

Hope all has been well. Gracias, familia.

I need help with this record. I'm trying to get some of it transcribed (so I can use google translate afterwards). I noticed on page two, about a third of the way down the page, that the word "dispensa" appears. My guess is a dispensation....so I would next go to a "Dispensas matrimoniales" of the same year to look for that record. Am I on par? The bride and groom are Pedro Z Gonzalez Infante & Maria Refugio Briceño.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPJB-9WQQ?i=387&wc=MG6…

gracias

Hola:
Soy descendiente de Juan González de Hermosillo, primero de esta familia en llegar a la Nueva España, procedente de Guadalcanal, España, junto con su esposa Ana Muñoz. Sin embargo no he podido encontrar alguna fuente primaria sobre quienes fueron sus padres. Algunas genealogías dicen que fue hijo de Gonzalo de Hermosillo y Ana Rodríguez, mientras que otras mencionan a Isabel Escobar como su madre. ¿Alguien tiene información adicional? Aquí comparto la línea descendiente de Juan González de Hermosillo hasta mí.

Hello:
I am a descendant of Juan González de Hermosillo, the first of this family to arrive in New Spain, from Guadalcanal, Spain, along with his wife Ana Muñoz. However, I have not been able to find any primary source on who his parents were. Some genealogies say that he was the son of Gonzalo de Hermosillo and Ana Rodríguez, while others mention Isabel Escobar as his mother. Does anyone have additional information? Here I share the downline from Juan González de Hermosillo to me.

Juan González de Hermosillo y Ana Muñoz
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Juan González de Hermosillo y Muñoz y Ana González Florida
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Juan González de Hermosillo y González Florida y Leonor de Carvajal Lomellini
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Ana González de Hermosillo y Carvajal y Esteban Gómez y Hurtado de Mendoza
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María Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza y Jacinto de Ochoa Garibay y Zárate
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Juan Bautista de Ochoa y Hurtado y Josefa Padilla Carrillo
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José Bernardino de Ochoa y Padilla y Guadalupe Morán Hernández
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Benita Ochoa Morán y Luis Castanedo de Aro
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Juan Nepomuceno Castanedo Ochoa y Juana Morán
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Refugio Castanedo Morán y Joaquín Rodríguez Zárate
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María Luisa Rodríguez Castanedo y Miguel Hernández Maldonado
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Óscar Mario Hernández Rodríguez y Sara Arellano Juárez
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Sara María Hernández Arellano y Jesús Ibarra Vergara
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Jesús Ibarra Hernández

Hello Everyone,

I have two sets of ancestors in my tree with the same names. I am trying to determine if within each set, they are the same person. Both from Totatiche/Colotlan area and alive during the same time period.

The first set: LORENZO GODINA
>Lorenzo Godina (abt 1694-bef Oct 1755) married to Maria Gertrudis Rosales (abt 1720-aft 1773)
Children
>>Vicente Ferrer Godina (04/15/1741-aft 1773) m/Ma Gertrudis Lara and Josefa G Gallegos.
>>Francisco Estevan Godina (abt 1747-?) m/Juana Gertrudis Flores.
>>Joseph Maria Godina (?-aft 1773)

In the following marriage dispensation (Maria Gertrudis Rosales with Vicente Ferrer Concha 07/12/1756) statements from Lorenzo Godina when still alive include "...su declaracion, se afirmo, y ratifico y dijo ser de edad de sesenta y dos años..." and also "...estar de tercer con segundo grado de consaguinidad con la dha pretensa.." (Maria Gertrudis Rosales).

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-66SR-R3?i=181&cc=18745…

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LDM7-579

>Lorenzo Godina (abt 1700-?) married to Angela Perez Cabrera (abt 1700-bef 1732).
Children
>>Micaela Godina (abt 1717-?) m/Francisco Lopez Morillo.
>>Pablo Godina (abt 1720-?) m/Felipa Ramos.
>>Gertrudis Godina (06/23/1721-?)

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MT1F-VTD

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The second set: JACINTO ROSALES
>Jacinto Rosales (abt 1700-?) married to Isabel Perez (abt 1700-bef May 1732).
Children
>>Juan Jacinto Rosales (abt 1717-aft 1773) m/Gertrudis Concha.
>>Vicente Rosales (12/07/1718-?)
>>Maria Bartola Rosales (abt 1718-?) m/Nicolas Yldefonso Perez.
>>Maria Gertrudis Rosales (abt 1720-aft 1773) m/Lorenzo Godina and Vicente Ferrer Concha.

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MT1Z-1LC

>Jacinto López Rosales (abt 1700-03/16/1761) married to Magdalena Perez Castro.
Children
>>Maria Magdalena Lopez Rosales (07/26/1721-?)
>>Manuel Antonio Rosales (06/21/1724-?)
>>Pedro Bonifacio Rosales (05/23/1726-?)
>>Maria Rosales (abt 1727-?) m/Miguel Angel Cena.
>>Antonia Catharina Rosales (abt 1730-?) m/Agustin Fernandez de Jara.
>>Clara Estacia Rosales (09/20/1733-?)
>>Gregorio Lopez Rosales (abt 1735-?) m/Maria Josefa Martinez.

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MPZD-DKN

I have dozens of links to these families, too many to post, so I posted links to familysearch that have the sources. I will gladly provide additional sources if needed/requested. If any names sound familiar, I would appreciate any help.

Thank You
Ruben Rojas

Many of the early families of Aguacalientes also had relations in San Luis Potosi. I am trying to solve a puzzle of shared compound surnames among the Nietos of Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, and San Luis Potosi.

Don Esteban Nieto (II) (estimated birth 1642) of San Luis Potosi was married twice, first to a Juana Gonzalez, second to a Dona Ana Diaz Rodriguez y Salas 26 November 1670 in San Luis Potosi. Ana was the daughter of a Rodrigo Martin and an Ana Rodriguez. Don Esteban Nieto II’s parents are not named in the marriage.

Don Esteban Nieto (II)’s descendants mostly spread throughout Armadillo de los Infante, San Luis Potosi. Strange surnames appear among two of his sons by his second wife: Augustin and Pedro. Augustin Nieto married three times, first to Angela del Castillo, second to Felipa de Cervantes, and third to Maria de Villalobos. Augustin Nieto’s descendants spread throughout Aguascalientes and, correct me if I am wrong; some begin appearing with the surname “Nieto Corona.” Don Esteban Nieto (II)’s son Pedro went by the name “Pedro Hernandez Sedillo”.

This would seem to indicate Don Esteban Nieto (II) as a son of Pedro Nieto (son of Hernando de Almeida and Isabel Hernandez) and Dona Josefa Corona. Esteban’s estimated birth of 1642 seems to match up with Pedro Nieto’s other children in Pinos. This would seem to explain why at least the surnames Hernandez and Corona spontaneously appear among the descendants of Don Esteban Nieto (II) (the origins of Sedillo/Cedillo is still a mystery). However, Pedro Nieto is not Esteban’s father.

Don Esteban Nieto (II)’s parents are not named in his marriage but curiously they are named when he was a padrino to the baptism of a boy “Leon?” (baptized 3 September 1690, in Armadillo de los Infantes) found here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-SY44-L?i=427&wc=3PH4-VZ9%3…

Don Esteban Nieto (II) is named as the son of Esteban Nieto (I) and Ysabel Perez. This is the only primary source I have seen that directly names Don Esteban Nieto (II)’s parents.

This information seems to correspond to an old web-post found here:
http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/diaz/442/

Here Don Esteban Nieto (II) is named as “Esteban del Nieto y del Rio” and described as a son of an “Esteban del Nieto y Rodruguez” with the assumption that Don Esteban Nieto (II) was related to his wife Dona Ana Diaz Rodriguez y Salas. If they are related it might be through Ana’s mother Ana Rodriguez. I have been unable to contact the original poster of this information, so I do not know of its accuracy.

The question remains: Why do some of Augustin Nieto’s descendants use Corona? …Could Dona Josefa Corona’s husband Pedro Nieto be a brother or father to Esteban Nieto (I)?

I found this archive of when my 7th generation great grandfather Antonio Madera (1660 aprox - 1709) registered this symbol to use as a branding iron for his livestock. Antonio Madera was married to "Maria Candelaria Angon (1655 aprox - 1735)

It was registered at Tlaltenango, Zacatecas since it seems that people in the Zacatecas/Jalisco area would go to Tlatenango to register things as it may have been a Government office much closer than having to go farther to Guadalajara (Real Audencia of Guadalajara).

I had seen in another archive about tierras dated 1616 tha "Xerez," was under juridiction of Tlatenango. Thats a clue when looking for Census data in that time. To look in the archives of Tlatenango.

Saludos Primos.
Les comento una cuestión que no he podido encontrarle solución y que los que tenemos a francisco de Ibarra esposo de Cathalina Díaz Mondragón en nuestra línea genealógica damos por sentado.

¿Es Francisco de Ibarra vecino de Chapala de 1610 a 1650 aprox. y esposo que fue de Cathalina Díaz Mondragón hijo del tesorero de la Nueva Vizcaya Juan de Ibarra y Albizuri?

Los archivos parroquiales no dan luz a este asunto. Los protocolos aun no arrojan mas datos y el testamento de Francisco de Ibarra no ha sido localizado.

Juan de Ibarra fue hijo de Martin de Ibarra e Yguria y Ana de Albizuri, nacido en Eibar, Guipuzcoa, España y venido a México en 1575 contando con alrededor de los 20 años.

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/245015

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/245020

Tomó el cargo de Tesorero de la Nueva Vizcaya en 1582. Caso con Isabel de Mesa, hija de Cristóbal de Ontiveros e Isabel de Nava. Tuvieron por hijos a Martin, Nicolás, Juan, Catalina, Isabel Geronima y Ana. Y entre estos a Francisco.

En 1628 en la villa de Durango, aparece un Francisco de Ibarra como padrino de una niña castiza de la casa de Juana Tello.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D1M7-3BN?i=28&cc=15545…

¿Es este Francisco de Ibarra, el hijo del tesorero de la real caja de la nueva Vizcaya Juan de Ibarra?
O es este Francisco de Ibarra hermano del tesorero Juan de Ibarra a quien se le otorgo una estancia en nueva Vizcaya.

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/244992?nm

Si es así, ¿quién es Francisco Ibarra que Aparece en Guadalajara como vecino de Chapala en el año de 1627. Casado entonces con la descendiente de Alonso Díaz, doña Cathalina Díaz Mondragón.?
¿O es hijo de otro Ibarra?

por el valle de Guadiana o Durango, pasaron:
Francisco de Ibarra el explorador y no dejo descendencia.
Diego de Ibarra quien gobernó la nueva Vizcaya por muerte de su sobrino Juan Ibarra, tuvo dos hijos, Luis y Mariana.
Juan quien venía a ocupar el puesto de su hermano Francisco no llego a Nueva Vizcaya.
Martin López de Ibarra quien fue tesorero tuvo solo a Antonio Ibarra.

La primera liga del tesorero Juan de Ibarra y Francisco de Ibarra de Chapala son.

Francisco de Ibarra de Chapala tuvo a María Mondragón. Esta casó en primeras nupcias con el Sargento Mayor Lucas de Subia Pacheco, quedando prontamente viuda María Mondragón quien aparece en 1635 casada entonces con Francisco Pérez del Espinal.
Alonso Pacheco uno de los primeros estancieros del valle de Gaudiana y quien realizo la traza de la villa de durango estuvo ligado fuertemente a los Ibarra. Una estancia de Juan de Subia Pacheco Heredero de Alonso Pacheco terminó en manos de Francisco Medrano yerno de Juan de Ibarra. ¿Es este Lucas de Subia Pacheco esposo de maría de Mondragón pariente de Juan de Subia Pacheco que habito en Durango?

O más aún. Alonso Diaz quien recibió 2 caballerías de tierra del mismo Juan de Ibarra en 1583 mas otras 3 estancias de ganado mayor y tres caballerías de tierra entre 1578 y 1587. Fue gobernador y capitán general de la Nueva Vizcaya. ¿Es el mismo Alonso Díaz que recibió una merced de pesquería en 1585 y padre o abuelo de Cathalina Díaz Mondragón?

Además
Micaela Gregoria de Placencia esta ligada por un lado a la esposa de Juan de Ibarra por medio de Anna de Ontiveros, y por otro lado ligada en line directa con Francisco de Ibarra de Chapala por medio de Ana de Ibarra.

Anna Ontiveros Cuñada del contador Juan de Ibarra y casada con Pedro Nuñes de Prado y Córdoba
Fue bisabuela de María Gregoria Placencia. Por otro lado, fue bisnieta también Ana Ibarra Díaz Hija de francisco Ibarra.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6YBF-9?i=380&wc=3J44-L…

Espero que este embrollo se resuelva pronto.
Saludos a todos.
Gracias.

Sabe alguien sobre familias Alvarez provenientes de un lugar/rancho llamado Rosa de Castilla cerca de Arandas? En mi familia se dice que son parientes de los García y/o Velázquez, pero yo no encuentro la conexión.
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Does anybody know of any Alvarez families from a Ranch called Rosa de Castilla near Arandas? They're supposed to have family links with García and or Velázuez.

Gracias/thanks

If you have ancestors in Texas, this may be of interest:

Skimming through these images to see if there are any from Fresnillo in the first half of the 1700s and got the the first image (was going backwards from the Fresnillo padrones for 1770's) - where I see written at the top: Villa de San Fernando, Presidio de San Antonio de Vejar - IS THIS REALLY A DOCUMENT FROM SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS??? (my hometown!)

HOPE someone will take a look and come with their 2 cents...

THere are a lot of first names on the first page followed by the name/term Apache - pops up other places too. Seen the name Comanche as well, in the first few pages. Very interesting!

Best REgards
Denise

I am having a ball reading this diary of a Fray (Padre) Gaspar Jose De Solis of the College of Frays (Padres) of Guadalupe, Zacatecas, Mexico. Also known as Colegio Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe.

Year is 1767 and he leaves the college in Zacatecas to travel up north to Texas while documenting in detail things he encounters along the way. Such as making stops at haciendas that extracted silver.

One of those haciendas he stopped at was of Maria Illdelfonso De La Campa y Cos. The daughter of Don Fernando De La Campa y Cos. He described that in that area there were a lot of carboneros.

It took him 16 days to get to Texas and he visits the missions. He met the Governor of Texas Hugo O'Connor," at the Mission San Antonio De Bejar then he went on to the other missions.

https://nmdigital.unm.edu/digital/collection/scrc/id/20592/?fbclid=IwAR…

Hi, I would appreciate your help reading the last name please. First name is Maria but the last name is hard to read.
I have attached a picture.
Thank you
Esther

Are these documents digitalized or only available at their physical location? If digitalized, where can I find them?

http://www.bpej.udg.mx/ra_busc2

Example 1:

Ramo: CIVIL Año: 1689 Año 2: 1708
Progresivo: 7647 Caja: 463 Expediente: 20
Nombre: DELGADO JOSEFA Nombre 2: RODRIGUEZ MATEO
Lugar: TEOCALTICHE, NOCHISTLAN Lugar 2: GUADALAJARA
Asunto: Ante la Real Audiencia se presentó Josefa Delgadillo contra Mateo Rodríguez por pleito de tierras.

Example 2:
http://148.202.105.23:8991/F/M54MYFMMDM5QNGS45I42QAGY3TTIGL7DMTRX3HRD1V…

I am looking at this document of tierras and see a lot of places that are under jurisdiction of Juchipila and Tlatenango.

Xerez for example was under jurisdiction of Tlatenango.

As well as Jalpa was under jurisdiction of Juchipila.

Lots of places being listed here:

Film # 007985224

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-NSR8-4?i=149&cat=…

I believe that Fray Marcos de Niza was probably the very first explorer (besides the native americans) of what today is Texas and New Mexico. I think that at that time the Real Audencia was a Compostela of Nayarit, Nueva Galicia, Nueva Espana (Mexico).

Reference: GUADALAJARA,5,R.1,N.7

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/342302

Hello,

This is my first post on this forum. I've been casually browsing pages on here for years but never actually created an account. I've gone about 3 or more years now of reading through countless documents to trace back my ancestry within Nueva Galicia with a focus on Indigenous roots. I've helped several people reconnect with their distant living relatives within Aguascalientes as well. Lastly, I'm an author on lost civilizations and my background is Anthropology.

Anyways, there's a genetic anomaly in my DNA profile which only a very few people within Aguascalientes share. At first I thought it was a fluke, seeing as the Bering Strait migration from Asia carried over genetic profiles of many ethnic groups. However, this genetic trace (at around 1%) is so specific I've been able to disregard it as part of the original genetic mtDNA haplogroup migrations into the Americas. The result is that of South Indian/Sri Lankan. I've seen other people from Aguascalientes with Northern Indian, which could be the result of early immigrational epochs. I've heard rumors of Indians and Filipinos migrating into the region as early as the 1600's.

I'm just curious if anyone has come across a specific name or lineage that could reveal a little more on this subject. In all my research I've never actually come across anything closely resembling a 'chino' link as it would have been entered into the records.

Any ideas?

Familysearch.org
Tierras and Aguas 1584 - 1694
Film No. 007985224 pg 521, 522

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-NSLY-5?i=520&cat=…

Is the Leonor Gonzalez who is the mother of Felipe Nunez de Miranda the same Leonor Gonzalez who is the mother of Cristobal Vasquez de Mercado? If the same, than she is the widow of both Sebastian Vasquez de Mercado and Pedro Nunez.

Felipe Nunez de Miranda, from the city of Zacatecas, married Mariana de Sandoval on 26 Oct 1665 in Nochistlan.

Cristobal Vasquez de Mercado came to Nochistlan from the city of Zacatecas about 9 years* prior to his marriage to Petrona de Moscoso y Sandoval on 27 May 1675.
*If I read it right. My reading Spanish is only so-so.

I only have a few chapters of "Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales", so I don't know if it says anything about it.

Nicolas Perez de Bocanegra Hijo de Hernando Pérez de Bocanegra y Maria López , caso 4 veces
en primer ocasión

Nicolás De Bocanegra
Matrimonio: 27 de noviembre de 1634
Guanajuato, Guanajuato, México
Andrea Ramirez De Vargas

Nicolás De Bocanegra

Matrimonio: desconocido
San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México

Magdalena Sanchez de Avalos

Nicolás De Bocanegra

Matrimonio: 4 de febrero de 1668
San Francisco del Rincón, Guanajuato, México

Juana De Torres

Nicolas De Bocanegra

Matrimonio: 30 JAN 1679
Santa Maria De Los Lagos,Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco,Mexico

Polonia Mesquita Torres

lo que me interesa de estos matrimonios es el segundo donde se menciona en la información matrimonial de su tercer matrimonio que Nicolás estuvo casado con Magdalena de Avalos de VILLA DE NUESTRA SEÑORA DE SAN JUAN donde fue a ver a su mama que estaba enferma y allá murió , la partida de defunción de dicha Magdalena el 13 de diciembre de 1667 en san juan de los lagos menciona a su marido Nicolás Bocanegra, por muchos años creí que eran los Padres de Josefa Pérez de Bocanegra esposa de Bernardino de Avalos casados en santa Fe Guanajuato el 26 de abril de 1664, pero me entro la duda por las edades Josefa caso en 1664 que hubiese tenido 14 años debió haber nacido en 1650 que es probable que si haya sido hija de Magdalena Sanchez de Avalos y Nicolás Pérez de Bocanegra porque Nicolás tuvo su ultimo hijo registrado con su primer esposa Andrea Ramirez de Vargas
en el año de 1645, esta ultima pudo morir ese año y Nicolás viuda casar en 1645 0 1646 dando tiempo a que naciera la Dicha Josefa Perez de Bocanegra casada con Bernardino de Avalos, Pero otra duda que me salta es que es Sanchez de Avalos y Bernardino seria Avalos Sanchez por ser Hijo de Francisco de Avalos y Maria Sanchez y Josefa es Pérez Bocanegra Sanchez de Avalos hija de Magdalena Sanchez de Avalos que en su partida de defunción menciona que un hermano pago el entierro por lo que creo que esta Magdalena era hermana de Bernardino ósea seria su suegra y hermana .

Pero luego revisando la partida matrimonial de Bernardino dice que tanto el como la esposa
Josefa Pérez de Bocanegra son españoles cuando el dicho Nicolás siempre fue tenido como mestizó es probable que no sea el padre de esta. Compañeros alguien tendrá mas información para disipar mis dudas

saludos