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Hello everybody,
I am Fernando Carrillo. I've been researching on my ancestors for quite a few time and find myself thrilled to be a member of this genalogy group.

My family comes from los Altos de Jalisco and the Bajio Region. I'll be glad to share what I've found about Carrillo, Silva, Davalos, Algarin and to hear your stories about these and other families.

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Hola a todos.
Soy Fernando Carrillo. He estado investigando a mis antepasados desde hace algún tiempo, por lo que estoy emocionado de ser miembro de este grupo de genealogía.

Mi familia es originaria de los Altos de Jalisco y del Bajío. Me encantaría compartir lo que he encontrado sobre los Carrillo, Silva, Davalos, Algarin y escuchar sus historias de estas familias y de algunas otras.

Hello,

I'm reaching out for help with the following: It is a link for a death registration for José Trinidad de Avila - Abt 1823-1909 Fresnillo, Zacatecas: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/60467/images/004886899…

The index reads that Trinidad’s father was: Anastasio de AVILA. On this written record it reads that Trinidad was the son of José de Avila. The name Anastasio de AVILA is in the beginning of the record, and it reads that he “espouse.” Isn’t this the person who gives the information for the deceased? Perhaps the two names were transposed when being indexed? I’ve yet to find the birth record for Trinidad, but this record lists him as “adulto.” I have seen this on other baptism records so I’m thinking it must be “natural born?”

It would be greatly appreciated if someone could clarify these names. Thank you.

I found a record of the death of a Carlos Lomelin in Spain in 1648....Would anyone know if this is the same one who the Lomelis from Jalisco decend from? Unfortunately no one else is mentioned in the record. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11077-161406-14?cc=1431011

wow. that's a mouthful. Do you have any dates and resource info for these? -----Original Message-----From: "R. A. Ricci" [rricci@lausd.net]Date: 02/19/2009 12:24 PMTo: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.orgSubject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Marin de la Pena losa Juan marin and Elbira Juarez de Penalosa are the parents of another Juan Marin who married 9/Jan/1583 in Mexico City to Cathalina Arenas the daughter of Juan Gonzalez and Luisa De la Cuevas. Juan Marin and Cathalina Arenas were the parents of at least 2 children: Juan Marin De la Pena losa and Catharina (Cathalina) Marin de la Penalosa Catharina de la penalosa married Joseph de Alba Retamosa, son of Alonso De Alba and Leonor de Retamosa Leonor de Retamosa was the daughter of Nicolas Macias Valadez and, her namesake Leonor Reramosa. Joseph de alba and catharina Marin de la penalosa Arenas (she sometimes reversed the surnames) were the parents of at least 2 siblings, Cristobal de alba y arenas and Ildefonso (Alonso) De A
lba You already have Cristobal's info. Ildefonso married jacinta juana Jimenez on the 17/may/1653 in Aguascalientes source299421. I have not had a chance to pull it up yet. if you do can you please let me know what it says. Ildefonso and jacinta Juana are the parents of Juan antonio de alva who married Maria Valdivia daughter of Manuel alderete Valdivia and Maria de la mora (Zamora) Ihave this line if you need it Juan antonio and maria valdivia were the parents of Teresa De Alba who married her distant cousin Manuel Marin de la pena losa, son of Nicolas Marin de la pena losa and Teresa de Chavez Nicolas was the son of Melchor Marin de la pena losa and Lucrecia Ocampo (Perez) (Lucrecia has a half brother, same father with the last name Perez- I will follow up on this lead later to get her parents.) Melchor was the son of Juan Marin de la pena losa and ana herrera. Juan Marin de la Pena losa is the brother of Catharina Marin de la Pena Losa and son Of Juan Marin de la p
ena losa and Cathalina Arenas Manuel and teresa were the parents Maria Joseph Potenciana Marin de la pena losa arenas (she is mistakenly referred to Martin in one record- she went a wide variety of last names) Ma.Jpha Potenciana married Jose Manuel Cardenas son of Juan Marcos Cardenas y Mendoza and Gertudis Esquibias ( I have the ancestry worked out, it is extensive and is part of the book that I am writing on the rodriguez de hijar family Jose Manuel Cardenas and Josefa were the parents of Maria Thomaza Cardenas Arenas Marin de La Pena Losa who married Jose Antonio Franco Casillas, son of Carlos Juan Antonio Franco de paredes and Ma. Magdalena de santa rita Cassilas y Cabrera (y de la torre) They had many children who are my ancestors over and over again. I am sorry i did not provide more dates and locations, as time permits I will learn to upload my data to my file folder. R.A.Ricci -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List To po
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Hello,

I have recently discovered that I descend from a Benito de Isla whose many descendants spread throughout Nochistlan. I hit the brick wall there, and I do not know who Benito’s wife was. Normally I would assume that the traceable ancestry ends there. However, I have spotted miscellaneously placed postings that allude to a specific ancestry for Benito de Isla and his unnamed wife when they are all placed together. Unfortunately I have been unable to pinpoint the sources for most of these postings – this is where I need help.

But to start with:

PART 1: What is Provable:

From the primary sources that I have been able to access and see with my own eyes, I have mapped out the following:

Benito de Isla was the father of Magdalena de Lavezaris (wife of Francisco Gonzalez) and Maria de Isla y Moctezuma (wife of Capitan Andres Martinez de Sotomayor). This same Benito de Isla also had a natural mestiza daughter named Maria de Isla.

There is another Maria de Isla who was married to Christobal Martinez Lozano and had a family in Aguascalientes. This Maria de Isla (wife of Christobal Martinez Lozano) had a sister named Petronila de Isla.

PART 2: What I suspect (Part A): The Maria de Isla’s:

I think that the Maria de Isla (the mestiza) is possibly one and the same with the Maria de Isla who was married to Christobal Martinez Lozano. However, I have not seen this Maria de Isla (wife of Christobal Martinez Lozano) ever mentioned as anything but “espanol;” the same goes for her children. Then again I have seen many examples within these Mexican colonial records were people who are more accurately and originally described as mixed race, appear later in life described as “espanol”. If these two Maria de Isla’s are the same person then Benito de Isla is also the father of Petronila de Isla.

I do not think the Maria de Isla (wife of Chritobal Martinez Lozano) is the same person as Maria de Isla y Moctezuma (wife of Capitan Andres Martinez de Sotomayor). There seem to be too many children born to both of these women to be same one.

Does anyone have any opinions on this?

PART 2: What I suspect (Part B): The Lavezaris Connection:

Since Benito de Isla had a daughter who used the name Magdalena de Lavezaris. That name must have come from somewhere further back. I think that Benito de Isla is the son of a Bernardino de Isla and another Magdalena de Lavezaris who was the sister of Guido de Lavezaris, Governor-General of the Philippines.

Does anyone have any opinions on this?

PART 2: What I suspect (Part C): The Moctezuma Connection:

Since Benito de Isla had a daughter who used the name Maria de Isla y Moctezuma. That name must have come from somewhere further back. I suspect the connection was matrilineal but have never seen a wife listed for Benito de Isla from my own research. (Benito de Isla possibly being the father of Petronila de Isla also comes into play here.)

I have spotted a few interesting postings that allude to Benito de Isla’s wife. However, they are un-sourced postings, I have been unable to make contact with the people who posted them, and have not been able to pinpoint any primary sources for the following:

From other’s Postings:

1. I have seen a forum (here at Nuestros Ranchos) where a Petronila de Isla is described as being the daughter of a Benito de Isla and a Juana Navarro. I have been unable to contact the person who posted this. Does anyone know where this information comes from?

2. I have seen a tree on Ancestry.com where Benito de Isla is married to a Juana Navarro. Here Juana Navarro dies 28 Dec 1651 in Teocaltiche. The death records in Teocaltiche do not go back that far. Does anyone know where this information comes from?

3. In another tree on Ancestry.com, Benito de Isla is married to a Juana “Navarro y Moctezuma.” Wonderful, if her name actually appears this way, but does anyone know where this information comes from?

4. I have seen forums of the couple Martin de Gabay Navarro and Petronila de Moctezuma as having 4 children: Ana-Francisca, Maria, Christobal, and JUANA. Ana-Francisca, Maria, and Christobal are provable children via various dispensas. But where does the information of this couple also having a daughter named Juana come from? Does anyone know?

PART 3 Conclusions?:

All of this starts to lean in a certain direction. Let us assume that, outside of what is provable, what I suspect is true and what others have posted is also true; that all that is needed is to pinpoint a few more sources. Then the following is a possible reconstruction of the whole picture:

Benito de Isla (son of Bernardino de Isla and Magdalena de Lavezaris) married a Juana Navarro (daughter of Martin de Gabay Navarro and Petronila de Moctezuma) and had as daughters Magdalena de Lavezaris (named after her paternal grandmother), Maria de Isla y Moctezuma (partially named after her maternal grandmother), Petronila de Isla (also partially named after her maternal grandmother), with the additional Maria de Isla (the Mestiza daughter born from another woman).

Chronologically it fits, though a little tight on Petronila de Moctezuma’s side if we assume she was born about 1552, allegedly had the said Juana by 1572, Juana having Magdalena de Lavezaris and Maria de Isla y Moctezuma by the time she was age 15 c. 1587, and both Madalena and Maria also starting to have children by about age 15, since most of their traceable children have their earliest estimated birth years in the late 1600’s early 1610’s. Keep in mind that 15 is a typical age for young girls to marry in this time period.

I would appreciate any opinions, corrections, or primary sources on these matters which may prove or refute the possible reconstruction of this tree.

Regards,

David

Hello,

My name is Olga. I’m a new member, and so delighted to have been accepted into this group. In 2008, not knowing anything about my ancestry, other than the names of my grandparents, I decided to take advantage of the Ancestry.com free two-week membership. This ancestry journey has been so enlightening and interesting.

All these years later I have grown many branches of my tree in Zacatecas, Jalisco, and Aguascalientes. I still have brick walls in Fresnillo, Zacatecas with the names of DOBALI, SOLIS and VASQUEZ.

In recent years I often came across the postings of members of NR, which helped in my ancestry journey. I now look forward to having the opportunity to contribute to the journey of others.

Olga Juárez

Oops! I forgot to include my URL in my introduction which I posted this morning.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/annallison

Does anyone have suggestions for going back further than what's extant on familysearch.org for records in Fresnillo? I'm looking for records from 1830s and previous and can't seem to locate any. Thanks!

Dear Primos:
i am stuck here, with the Rubalcava-Gallardo Family. i have Four [4] Baptismal Records, All from Lagos de San Juan & from Family Search. their Parents were: Francisco Rubalcava & Elena Gallardo. those Baptismal Records, of that era, Do Not mention the Grand-Parents. i am a descendant of Ma. Trinidad Velis-Rubalcava. i do have the Retoños Book, all Volumes, & believe it or not, this linage, are not mentioned.! when i saw that Ma. Trini was a Rubalcava, i went: that'za easy one.! Wrong. searched of course, the González de Rubalcava first & went through every variation, of that surname, to no avail. cannot find anything either, on this mysterious Elena Gallardo.? no Marriage Record, nothing. Their son: Joachin Vicente, is my Ancestor, Ma. Trini's Abuelo Materno. it is mentioned, in the Rubalcava Section of the Retoños Book, that "two offspring of unknown name, mentioned by his grandmother, Doña Beatriz López de Fuenllana; in her will, cited in the González de Rubalcava chapter." am wondering if this Francisco, is one of those children.? Any information, would be greatly appreciated. johann

Dear Valerie,

Happy Father's Day and Welcome to nuestrosranchos. Here is some information for your tree. Hopefully these records will provide more clues that you can follow up on.

Terezo Prieto married Ma. Carmen Rubalcava on 07/Sep/1875 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas.

Rick A. Ricci

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Records:
Terezo Prieto
Spouse's Name Carmen Rubalcava
Event Date 07 Sep 1875
Event Place Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZXF-XMF : 16 July 2015), Terezo Prieto and Carmen Rubalcava, 07 Sep 1875; citing Nochistlan,Zacatecas,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 226,734.

José Margarito Prieto
Gender Male
Christening Date 22 Oct 1892
Christening Place Nochistlán, Zacatecas, Mexico
Father's Name Tereso Prieto
Mother's Name Ma. Cármen Rubalcava
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N8QL-S4P : 12 December 2014), Ma. Cármen Rubalcava in entry for José Margarito Prieto, 22 Oct 1892; citing Nochistlán, Zacatecas, Mexico, reference 358; FHL microfilm 226,687.

I have a written property transfer from Josefa de Alva to Gregorio Mayagoitia. Document is dated April 2, 1854. Document is written by Francisco de Alba, Josefa's brother. Would anyone have information on their descendants? My father-in-law had a box of many old documents which I found after his death. I believe they are all land sales/transfers. All in Encarnacion de Diaz. Most are from the Soledad area. It is a treasure of documents that I have been trying to translate. Some of the handwriting is very difficult to read. All documents are from the early 1800's. One of the documents is a land transfer part of Hacienda Mariquita. Names in this document are Mariano de anda, Gregorio Mayogoitia, Jose Amaya, Refugio Lozano, Mauricio Lopez, Rosa Lozano, Ignacio Lomelin, Refugio Gutierrez, Juan Lozano. I was surprised to find that a witness was Felix de Anda (my great grandfather) My father-in-law was Salvador Romo Franco b. 1901 in La Soledad, rancho de Mariquita.
I do not know how or why he had these land grants.

I am looking for ancestors on Desiderio Correa casado con Quirina Ximenes por los 1820's

Buenas tardes!!
No se si tendrán algunas referencias históricas acerca de la hacienda de Ciénega, en Jerez, Zacatecas, de la familia Gordoa, Viadero o Breña.

Hello to all.

I haven't properly introduced myself to the community since I became a member a couple of months ago when I first started to build my family's tree. I guess I always prefer to get a good grasp of my ignorance on a subject before I start bombarding people with questions that could potentially be easily be answered with a simple search and/or a bit of elbow grease.

Up to a few months back, all I knew was the names of my grandparents and some of my great grandparents, but as it often happens when there's a death in the family, I suddenly got bitten by the genealogical bug and started poring through digital archives.

I ended up here at Nuestros Ranchos because my maternal grandfather who was born in Juanchorrey, Zacatecas in 1913 to Leonides Sanchez Nava and Francisca Fernandez Correa.

His paternal grandparents were Octaviano Sanchez Acevedo and Lorenza de Nava Sandoval.

Octaviano was son of Pablo Antonio Sanchez Carlos and Maria Nestora Acevedo Enriquez.Lorenza was daughter of Jose Manuel de Nava y Correa and Manuela Gregorio Sandoval Renteria.

Up to here (and way beyond on many of his lines) all good.

Problem is I have hit a wall on the side of Pablo Antonio's father: Blas Sanchez. I can't seem to find anything solid about his parents while there's plenty of information about the side of his wife Desideria Carlos, the daughter of Justo Antonio Carlos (de Godoy?) and Rita Laurena de Llanos y Valdez. I found two baptism records of two different Blas Sanchez. The race of one of them is listed as "coyote", which I doubt he was, and the other doesn't quite match the location even though is also in Zacatecas.

Does anybody have any information about Blas' parents?

Alternatively, how about any descendants of him and Desideria? And more specifically, any direct male descendants who inherited the last name Sanchez? I am particularly curious about my grandfather's paternal haplogroup. Unfortunately, my uncle, his only son, passed away last year and he had no male descendants.

I got tested recently on Ancestry, btw, so I have identified some distant cousins on my grandfather's side. Problem is, not many people build trees so it's hard to be sure exactly how we are related. Adding to the difficulty is that these tests are not yet available in Mexico, where most of my family still lives, and so I have no close relatives in my matches which would help me do some basic triangulation. That's why I uploaded my raw data file to GEDmatch and FamilyTree, but as you know, that takes a lot of labor and good luck.

My tree on Ancestry is public. I've managed to climb high on some of those Zacatecan branches (while resisting the urge to get carried away by the ancestry leaves/suggestions) and would be thrilled to collaborate on common ones. Drop me a message if you would like a link to my tree and/or compare kits on GEDmatch.

Cheers!

Hello, so my paternal side is from Meson de Los sauces it seems. As far as I can get any info as most of the recent generations of family was born in Los Angeles, California.
I could find info that my paternal great grand father was actually born in Mexico.
My grandfather is:
Francisco Martinez Hernandez: Born; 7 OCT 1923 Pomona, Los Angeles, California D: 16 FEB 2014 Meson de Los sauces, Encarnacion de diaz, JAL
Celso Martin(ez) Franco: Born ABT: 1901 in Encarnacion de diaz, JAL
He married Maria De Jesus Hernandez: Born ABT: 1903

Celso Martin(ez) Franco’s parents MAY BE:
Francisco Martinez & ildefonsa FRANCO

Maria de Jesus Hernandez parents:
Jose Hernandez: Born ABT: 1875
Gerarda Huerta: Born ABT: 1866 D: 2 September 1949 Encarnacion de diaz, JAL
Marriage was in November 6, 1901 in Encarnacion de diaz JAL.

Any leads will greatly help. I’ve been stuck on this branch for 3 months since I started.

Soy especialista en el área de Nayarit, concretamente Tepic, Xalisco, Compostela y Bahía de Banderas; incluyendo el jalisciense municipio de San Sebastián del Oeste. Me gustaría conocer gente que estudie esta área para intercambiar información y colaborar, puesto que no hay mucha información y es un campo amplio para nuevas investigaciones. Saludos a todos.

I'm not sure if I should post this in Genealogy Research or History, Culture and General Discussion:

I finally found my African roots. Reading the records I have traced my mulato ancestors to the Reyes Family out of Sombrerete - specifically "Real de Sombrerete, Zacatecas, Mexico". This branch of my family seems to have intermarried with the Salas, C/S/Zervantes and Hernandes families from Pinos, Zacatecas and Mezquital, Durango.

Does anyone know anything about Africans in Zacatecas in the 1700s and early 1800s?

this is a repost from my original post

On my paternal side is the Reynoso line. My great grandfather is Nestor Reynoso born in Jalostotitlan in 1868. He married Maximina Padilla who was born in Jalostotitlan in 1871 and later married in Jalostotitlan in 1889. His father was Juan Reynoso who was born in Los Sauces (ranch about 15 kilometers outside of Jalostotitlan on the road to Teocaltiche) in 1842 and married Vicenta Sanchez in 1864. Vicenta was born in Lavor de Abalsa in 1846…I have seen the name of this ranch what could be misspelled in a couple of messages. Lavor de Abalsa is also a small ranch about 10 kilometers outside of Jalostotitlan on the road to Teocaltiche. I was fortunate in my last trip to Jalostotitlan in finding Nestor Reynosos baptism record. Nestor Reynoso’s baptism record indicates Juan Reynoso and Vicenta Sanchez as his parents and his paternal grandparents, Agaton Reynoso and Juana Gutierrez, as his godparents as well.

On the Padilla line, Maximina’s parents were Angel Padilla born in Lavor de Abalsa in 1835 and Francisca Ramirez born in 1846 and were married in 1867. Angel Padilla parents were Mariano Padilla and Dolores Martin married in Jalostotitlan in 1823. Mariano Padilla’s parents were Tomas Padilla and Honorata Gonzalez both born around the turn of the century (1800).

Hello everyone, I’m just right to give up on researching a branch that motivated me to start with this hobby, I’ve gotten to around the year 1821 with Tomas Sanchez, son of Trinidad Sanchez and María del Carmen Sanchez,
In Tomas’s marriages that have been written in the parish books of Jilotlan de Los Dolores, it points out that Tomas is from Estancias del Monte Michoacan and his parents from Cotija Michoacan but later settled in Rio del Oro and in other documents in the ranch of San Pablo in the same area of el Rio del Oro. Does anyone in this forum have info of this so called Estancia del Monte or the origins of the Sanchez family last name in Cotija in the 1800s.
Hope to get news to continue on my research.

Suddenly every image of the Tlaltenango baptisms 1888-1889 on FamilySearch have blue boxes, outlining and sometimes obscuring the text.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-4294-FZ?cc=1804458&wc=3PSF…

If you download the image, it is a clean image without the blue boxes, but I cannot find any way to view a clean image without the blue boxes online.

Hola:

¿Alguno de ustedes sabe el origen de estas familias en los Altos de Jalisco?

Mi conexión con los Riso, me viene por Nicolasa Riso, esposa de Pedro Camarena, debieron haber casado antes de 1765 en Ayo el Chico, pero no he encontrado el acta matrimonial. En algunas actas de bautismo de sus hijos Nicolasa aparece como Riso Muños.

Por Gascón, mi vínculo es por parte de María Ignacia Gascón, esposa de José Manuel Sepúlveda Estrada, no he encontrado el acta de matrimonio pero en un acta de bautismo de su hija María Felipa Sepúlveda Gascón, bautizada el 31 de Mayo de 1803 en Arandas, aparecen el nombre de los abuelos. Dónde están escritos los padres de María Ignacia no se entiende bien el nombre de su padre y el apellido es Gascón y su madre viene como Catarina Gascón.

Creo que el origen de los Riso es italiano y Gascón me suena a un apellido francés.
¿Alguien podría darme algo de información?

De antemano muchas gracias.

Enrique Salvador Agraz

Saludos!

My name is Antonio, I am a new member here but I have been observer of this group for quite some time. I started my genealogical journey and research in my teens and have significantly progressed with many great discoveries but also with perplexing road blocks. I look forward to contributing and acquiring knowledge from all the phenomenal members of this group.

My research extends to many regions.

Relevant to the group my greatest difficulty lies in the Encomienda de Jalpa area (San Diego de Alejandría, Jalisco parish), San Juan de los Lagos, Tlalpujahua to name a few

My greatest success lies in Ciénega de Mata, Lagos de Moreno, Aguascalientes, Sierra de Pinos, Ayo el Chico, Teocaltiche, Nochistlán (as well as-but not pertaining to the geographical area of this group-Tlazazalca, Numarán, Chilchota in Michoacán and San Pedro Piedra Gorda and San Felipe in Guanajuato)

I have many unresolved branches/ancestors that I would love to have the group analyze and extract your awesome perspectives.

Stay well!

California Supreme Court Justice Cruz Reynoso passed away today. His parents were from Jalostotitlan Jalisco. His mother is a third cousin of my maternal grandmother.

Rick A. Ricci

Welcome Rodolfo Medina Gutierrez to Nuestrosranchos. I am a fifth cousin through your paternal grandmother. Our closest relationships are through our Romo and Reynoso lines. You are more closely related to my wife’s cousins through your De la Torre Alvarez line.

Good luck in your research,
Rick A. Ricci

Saludos. Busco complementar información sobre los Ortiz Palomera de Talpa y Mascota.