Meeting in Brentwood

Enrique,

The meeting time and place are:

Event Date: Saturday July 29, 2006
Event Time: 11:00 am to 2:00 pm
Place: Raley's Event Center
2400 Sand Creek Road
Brentwood, CA (near Antioch)

You are welcome to join us. Please let me know if you plan to attend for
sure and I will add you to my distribution list.

Maria

Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:35:07 -0700 (PDT)
> From: enrique legaspi
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nochistlan and it's descendants
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
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> I am very curious about the meeting referenced below. I was born in
> Nochistlan, I have traced a bulk of my family (Legaspi, Frias, Huerta,
> Mejia, Jauregui, plus) over the years....This meeting in Brentwood
> California?
>
> Enrique Legaspi
>

Fw: July 29th meeting

Enrique,
Are you also new to Nuestros Ranchos, If you are, welcome to this caring group of people who call themselves Genealogists.

I was born in a rancheria just outside of Tlachichila called Los Cardos and have lived in San Jose, Ca since I was 2 years of age. My father and padrino, (dad's brother) came first and worked in Los Gatos for the Novitiate Vineyards, they made the wine for the Catholic Church which was then consecrated for the priests' use in the mass.

Among the family names we have are Avelar, Aguayo, Aguirre, Bargas, Carrillo, De la Cruz, Duran, Esparza, Frias, Garcia, Gomez, Guerrero, Hernandez, Jauregui, Luevano, Macias, Muños, Martinez, Olasava, Olmos, Ortega, Rubalcava, Ruano, Ruiz, Ruiz de Esparza, Sigala & Valades. I say we because both me and my husband are from the same region, he was born in Rancho La Trinidad and I in Los Cardos.

I live in Northern California and belong to the Northern California genealogists, an off shoot of Ranchos. We meet quarterly and the next meeting as noted below will be in Brentwood on July 29th. If you are interested I can ask Maria Cortez, the group facilitator and coordinator to add you to the list.
Here is a copy of the posting she recently sent out to the attendees along with the attachment that has the meeting place and the agenda.

Maria, See Enrique's inquiry below regarding the meeting in Brentwood in July. Enrique, please respond as soon as possible to Maria if you are interested in attending this meeting, her e-mail address is cc'd above. We would be glad to have you as a new member.

Atentamente,
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

I am very curious about the meeting referenced below. I was born in Nochistlan, I have traced a bulk of my family (Legaspi, Frias, Huerta, Mejia, Jauregui, plus) over the years....This meeting in Brentwood California?

Enrique Legaspi

Hello all,

As our meeting date approaches I need to get a count of those of you who plan to attend our next meeting. We will be meeting at the Raley's event center in Brentwood. The room holds up to 18 people. The time and place are:

Event Date: Saturday July 29, 2006
Event Time: 11:00 am to 2:00 pm
Place: Raley's Event Center
2400 Sand Creek Road
Brentwood, CA (near Antioch)

Please let me know by Friday, June 9th if you plan to attend so that I can ensure we don't exceed the room's capacity.

I need a volunteer to take the minutes at the meeting and volunteers to present items of interest.

I am attaching the first draft of our next agenda. Please review and let me know of any additions or corrections. Thank you.

Maria

Moctezuma, Navarro, Gabay and Ruiz de Esparza.

Thank you Alicia. I did as you suggested and it was a big help.

I was at my Family History Center today. It's in Hacienda Heights, in the San Gabriel Valley just east of Los Angeles. I told the head of the library, Kim Austin, about this site and she plans to join us.

She's Anglo but she's researching her husband's Mexican roots. She should be a MAJOR asset to Nuestros Ranchos, in my opinion.

Kim told me Salt Lake City has a 20/20/20 policy regarding Family History Centers. They need to generate at least 20 film orders a month, and have twenty patrons a month, and I don't recall if there was a third 20, or not. To keep a Family History Center functioning and to authorize expenditures on new equipment, and Internet upgrades....

So if anyone's FHC is teetering on closure you might space out your visits. Rather than one, or two long visits, perhaps three, or four shorter visits.

My FHC is very nice. Volunteers and patrons bring the bounty form their gardens to share. One man brings huge beefsteak tomatoes, I bring yerba buena....

research Digest, Vol 5, Issue 9

Hi Joseph,

Yes, that is me who has studied Ixtlahuacan del Rio, Jalisco records. I
have the Rafael Puentes m. to Josefa Raigoza in my database. Rafael is the
son of Domingo Puentes and Rosalia Diaz. I have not found the names of the
parents for Domingo or Rosalia. I do know that they were married on 1 May
1782, in Cuquio, Jalisco. Are your Puentes married into the Diaz family
too? I think that's what made me think we're related, but we haven't made
the connection. I haven't ordered any film in a while, so I haven't made
much progress lately.

Maria

> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:02:59 -0500
> From: Joseph Puentes
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ixtlahuacan del Rio, Jalisco
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
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>
>
> Who in the group is studying the Ixtlahuacan del Rio, Jalisco area?
> Awhile back, quite awhile back I was trying to tie into the Puentes from
> this area. Is that you Maria Cortez. I was wanting to know the parents
> of Rafael Puentes who was married to Josefa Raigoza AND of Domingo
> Puentes who was married to Rosalia Diaz on the 1817 Census for the
> community called "Changanga."
>
> joseph
>
>
>

Valle de Huejucar and Calvillo

For those researching Huejucar and Calvillo, a long time ago I took the following note from "Historia del estado de Aguascalientes" by Agustin R. Gonzalez, Mexico 1881 [my translation]. Unfortunately I can't remember where I read or found the book:

Valle de Huejucar (Guaxucar, Huajucar), at or near Calvillo, Aguascalientes, was within the original limits of Xalpa (Jalpa) and became a community center for the surrounding haciendas early in the 18th century. pg 43

And from "Aguascalientes - Guia para visitar la Ciudad y el Estado" by Alexandro Topete del Valle, Ags. Ags, 1973:

"CALVILLO. Se inicio su fundacion como consecuencia del auto proveido el 18 de noviembre de 1771, por el senor Canonigo y Doctor don Manuel Colon de Larreaegui gobernador por 'sede vacante' de la Mitra de Guadalajara, que erigio el Curato o parroquia de 'S. Jose de Huajucar' (o "Guajucar') en el Valle del mismo nombre, segregandolo del de Tabasco, Zac., en terrenos que pertenecieron al antiguo rancho o hacienda, cedidos por el prominente vecino don Jose CALVILLO, en cuyo honor tomo su apellido como titulo, a partir de febrero de 1825." pg 22

Does anyone know which particular don Jose CALVILLO this one was? I've never been able to find out. Hope this helps.

Gloria (Calvillo)

Momax and Colotlan

For those that are doing research in both areas have you ever had a look
at this film? It is pretty current 1905, but my curiosity makes me want
to see what's on the film. Is El Refugio close to Momax?:

Title
Registros parroquiales, 1905-1919

Authors
Iglesia Católica (El Refugio, Jalisco) (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo de la parroquia de Santo Tomás
Apóstol en Momax, Zacatecas.
Contenido: Bautismos, 1905-1919.
El rancho de El Refugio forma parte del municipio de Colotlán.
Parish registers of baptisms from El Refugio (Colotlán), Jalisco, Mexico.

Subjects
México, Jalisco, El Rufugio (Colotlán) - Church records

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmado por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1962

Physical
1 rollo de microfilme ; 35 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Registros parroquiales - VAULT INTL Film [ 444024 ]

© 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

Ixtlahuacan del Rio, Jalisco

Who in the group is studying the Ixtlahuacan del Rio, Jalisco area?
Awhile back, quite awhile back I was trying to tie into the Puentes from
this area. Is that you Maria Cortez. I was wanting to know the parents
of Rafael Puentes who was married to Josefa Raigoza AND of Domingo
Puentes who was married to Rosalia Diaz on the 1817 Census for the
community called "Changanga."

joseph

The latest news from Salt Lake City.

The first digitized records are now online, according to my sources in Salt Lake City.

They tell me that their original estimate to digitize all the records in their mountain vault would take SEVENTY-FIVE YEARS!

But, that they are now buzzing along at an incredible rate. They are completing TEN THOUSAND records a week, with new equipment.

At that rate they estimate it will take six, to ten years to complete the monumental task.

They advised me to continue ordering films in the meantime.

They could not tell me if Mexican records were already digitized, or where in the line they might be.

Batch #

The only way that the database can link back to the familysearch website is if
the batch number is entered exactly as it would be in the familysearch site,
so therefore only one batch number can be entered in every entry.

I was not aware that there could be multiple batch numbers for the same film.
If there is a way to differentiate what information is in each batch, can you
please enter that as part of the film description.

Thanks for your contributions to the database.

=====================
From: longsjourney
Date: Sun Jun 11 19:12:03 CDT 2006
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Batch #

Joseph, I got confused when I found so many batch numbers for some films in
Jerez Zacatecas, was I supposed to list each individually or is there a way to
put them all on one?

Linda Castanon-Long

Add Batch Numbers to Film Area

Okay folks who is game for some work for a worthwhile cause???

Arturo has poured his hard work and labor (thanks Arturo) into building
this site and especially great is the "Films" area of the site where you
can easily search batch numbers. This area of the group is well worth
you getting familiar with.

I've just added some new films to the Villanueva area but there are
still many many areas of our Research area that need to have the Batch
numbers added. Why not consider taking one or maybe two hours per month
and volunteer to enter batch numbers to this area.

Here is how you can find batch numbers:

1) Look at the Fiche at your Family History Center and then take those
Batch numbers and confirm they are valid

or

here is how I do it:

1) go to the IGI (you can try this with the VRI also)

2) in the FirstNameLastName area put in Maria Garcia (or any other very
very comon name)

3) in the Event put in "Birth/Christening" (later you can put in Marriage)

4) in the Country put in Mexico and in the state pick either Jalisco,
Zacatecas or Aguascalientes

5) click on "Search"

if you are lucky you'll get 5000 hits so you

6) do a "page search" with your browsers "Find" function to look for the
specific Location you are trying to find or

7) if you are feeling generous just look at the first page for any
locations that are not already uploaded to the Film section

let me know if any of you want to try this as there is a bit more but
not too much.

thanks,

joseph

Intro

Hi,
My name is Daniel and I am doing research on my ancestors who were from:
#1-San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco (mid 1800s)
#2-Mascota, Jalisco (mid 1800s)
#3-Sombrerete, Zacatecas (early 1800s), familia de Onofre Eulogio Ortiz y
Juana Guerra Carrillo

I have found the records for Mascota and San Juan to be scarce and the
Sombrerete records for that time period do not show any families with last name
Ortiz so that the Sombrerete film turned out to be a dead end.

In San Juan I am looking for Jesus Hernandez and Concepcion Barajas, born
sometime before 1855. I am also looking for the Lopez Hernandez family, born
before 1875.

The last one is the familia Hernandez Barajas also from San Juan de los
Lagos.

You Need to Be Logged In First

If you ever click on a link that is suppose to go to the website and get
a nasty little message like this:

"ACCESS DENIED"

well that is because you weren't logged in. It is also possible that if
you log in at that point you will still get the "Access Denied" message.
What you need to do is Log in first and then click on any links that go
to the webpage. You should only have to log in once per session. So if
you start off by logging in your computer memory should keep you logged
into the site for as long as you are on the site.

so in brief. If you get that message just log in and then click on the
link again

joseph

Announce Test: 70 Members

According to the website 70 members are signed up for the Announce list.
So If I'm understanding things correctly 70 of you should receive this.

Helyn and Mickey are you there?

If you receive this email then you are properly subscribed. Helyn resend
that message you sent yesterday as it never made it through to the
group. Maybe you will be the Spark that stimulates some conversation.

Mickey if you get this why not tell us something new about your research.

Anyone else getting this (there should be 68 of you) what new and
exciting thing is happing in your world of genealogy. Anybody have
something they want to Announce?

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thanks,

joseph

Genealogly software

Have I guessed the correct forum for posting this message? I'm not very good at discerning into which forum to post certain inquiries or comments - so I just hope for the best.
Anyway - What genealogy software do you use? How would you evaluate it (i.e., what do you like/dislike about it)?
My only experience with genealogy software has to do with my husband's genealogy/family history. That was years ago, on a Mac - I used "Reunion". But we changed to a PC about 4-5 years ago, and I never got software for the PC (consequently my research slowed to a crawl - with occasional research, but notes all in longhand, and in assorted notebooks).
NOW, we have a brand new computer - an iMac (very fancy). I will have to investigate the new generation of genealogy software. If you have any tips to share (general use of software; or specific tips) I would be most appreciative.
Thanks all,
Natalie

El Paso, Texas Border crossing records

Saludos a todos,
I am planning a few trips to visit the UTEP special collection dept to see the documents of Cleofas Calleros. This local historian, author became the Mexican Border Representative of the National Catholic Welfare Conference Bureau of Immigration in El Paso in 1926 to 1968. He handled over 1 million immigration cases and from what I have seen of his documents he was a very organized and meticulous Rep. These records were donated to the UTEP Library and have all been sorted by surname and placed in acid free file boxes. Unfortunately the records for letters A-E were destroyed. If you know that your ancestor came thru El Paso e-mail me directly with the names and any pertinent info such as name of state, town of birth, spouse, parents. Remember that women used their maiden name. This info allows me to distinguish from many similar records. I will then get a copy and e-mail them to you. Some of these records have pictures, with these I take a photo and will do the
same. I know that it will be alot of work but I know that I'm fortunate to have these records almost at hand. PLEASE let me know that you are a RANCHOS COUSIN in you subject heading, otherwise I won't open your
e-mail. I know this will take a while and we will have hits and misses so, please be patient. If you make a request I will assume that you are giving me permission to copy your families documents.
Adios PRIMOS
Yolanda Medina Pérez

Nuestra Musica at Smithsonian Folklife Festival

If you happen to be in Washington, DC June 30-July4
or July 7-11, you might want to take in the
Smithsonian's Folklife Festival on the National Mall.
This is the announcement regarding the Nuestra Musica
program. The other programs will be on Alberta, Canada
and Native American Basketry.
The Festival website can be found at:
www.folklife.si.edu
(This is one of my favorite activities of the summer,
and I try to volunteer for a few days each year - a
very rewarding experience.)

(Joseph - is this an appropriate use of this forum?)
- Natalie

Nuestra Música: Latino Chicago is the third of four
Smithsonian Folklife Festival programs of the
multi-year Nuestra Música: Music in Latino Culture
project, an initiative that explores and presents the
diverse, evolving, and expanding universe of música
Latina, which often unites and defines the largest
minority group and fastest growing population in the
United States. Other project components include the
Smithsonian Folkways Recordings series
Tradiciones/Traditions, Latino music sections in the
Center for Folklife and Cultural Heritage and
Folkways websites, and multimedia features on the
recently launched Global Sound website.

The 2006 program will highlight the music and cultural
expressions of Chicago's diverse Latino communities
and explore the role they play in shaping contemporary
society, creating community, and confirming cultural
identity. Two premier grassroots Latino music groups,
researched and documented by Smithsonian Folkways
Recordings, will complement the Chicago artists and
reference the wider panorama of musical life in Latino
USA.

Musicians and dancers will engage the public in a
variety of settings, including demonstrations,
workshops, narrative sessions, and concerts that
suggest a variety of community music events. The
"coffee house" setting of La Peña, first introduced in
the 2004 Festival program, will feature
once-in-a-lifetime opportunities to hear musical
exchanges between musicians from Chicago and recorded
Folkways artists from other parts of the country.
Mural and graphic artists will complement musicians
and dancers by evoking the visual imagery of Chicago's
Latino neighborhoods. Additional workshops will
highlight Chicago's Latino radio traditions, foodways,
and artisans whose crafts are related to music and
dance.

This program, produced in collaboration with Chicago's
renowned Old Town School of Folk Music, complements
the 10th anniversary of the School's Latino weekly
musical event La Peña. California-based bilingual
radio station, Radio Bilingüe, will continue to
collaborate with the project and broadcast live from
the Festival.

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General Test: 77 Members

According to the website 77 members are signed up for the General list.
So If I'm understanding things correctly 77 of you should receive this.

This email distribution list should be used for things of General
interest that you wouldn't consider Research or Announcements.

For example. Let's say that you Tia Esperanza comes over. And she is
talking about everything under that Sun and just casually says hey why
don't we make "Atole del Rancho" and you say. Hey why is it called that.
Then she says well let's make some and we'll talk about it . She goes on
to tell you some great Oral History that you record on your tape
recorder and she writes down the recipe for the Atole. That recipe is as
follows and the "General" list is the perfect place for such a recipe:

Atole De Zarzamora Recipe

Serves/Makes: 6

Submitted by: rec.food.recipes Mendi mendi

Ready in: 30-60 minutes
Difficulty: 4
(1=easiest :: hardest=5)

Categories:
Hot Drink Recipes
Mexican Recipes

Ingredients:

* 2 pounds Wild blackberries
* 2 cups Cold water
* 1/2 cup Cold water
* 1/3 cup Tortilla masa
* 3 tablespoons Crushed piloncillo or dark brown sugar to taste
* 1/2 cup Prepared tortilla masa, or
* 1/2 cup masa harina (scant) mixed with
* 1/3 cup water
* 2/3 cup Water
* 1 1/2 cup Warm milk
* 1 1/2 cup Warm water
* 1 1/2 ounce Tablet drinking chocolate
* 1 (3-inch) cinnamon stick
* 3 tablespoons Sugar, brown; to taste

Directions:

Though there are many variations, basically "atole" is a gruel thickened
with masa, sweetened with raw sugar, and flavored with crushed fruits -
such as pineapple and strawberries - or seasoned with chili. Some are
made with a base of ground rice; others with fresh corn. For the
Mexicans atole, too, is a natural accompaniment for tamales. For
non-Mexicans, however, it is really not the sort of beverage that would
generally be accepted, no matter how authentic.

Blackberry atole Put the blackberries and water into a saucepan and cook
over a medium flame, pressing them down from time to time, for about 10
minutes. Puree the blackberries in a blender or food

processor and press through a fine sieve, or the fine disk of a food
mill, to extract the seeds, and return to the pan.

Add the water to the masa and press out any lumps with the back of a
wooded spoon. When it is quite smooth, stir it into the strained
blackberries
.
Cook over low heat, stirring often until the atole begins to thicken.

Add the sugar and stir until dissolved. It should take about 25 minutes
to reach the required consistency, so that the mixture will very lightly
coat the back of a wooden spoon.

Champurrado (Chocolate-flavored atole)

Put the masa into the pan with the 2/3 cup water and cook

over a low flame, stirring constantly, until it thickens - about 5 minutes.

Gradually stir in the milk and water and cook until it begins to bubble.
Add the chocolate, broken into pieces, the cinnamon stick, and the sugar
and cook slowly, stirring, until the mixture thickens - about 15
minutes. The atole is done when a spoonful slides noiselessly rather
than plops back into the mixture.

This recipe for Atole De Zarzamora serves/makes 6.

Recipe URL:
http://www.cdkitchen.com/recipes/recs/61/Atole_De_Zarzamora47615.shtml
Recipe ID: 2530
Change Servings:

Submitted by: rec.food.recipes Mendi mendi

OR she mentions that the tomates were foods of the "old days" of which
she proceeds to give you the following information in abbreviated format:

http://www.arqueomex.com/S9N5n8Esp12.html

Jitomates y tomates.
Foto: Michael Calderwood / Raíces

Occidente

De los 11 592 km de litoral que tiene la República Mexicana, 8 475
corresponden al océano Pacífico. Los estados de Jalisco, Sinaloa,
Nayarit, Michoacán, Guerrero y Colima, los cuales se encuentran sobre
esta costa, aunque tienen sus especialidades comparten algunas
preparaciones hechas con pescados y mariscos.
En la época prehispánica, en las tierras un tanto áridas de la costa era
frecuente comer iguana. Hoy ésta se encuentra entre los animales que
deben protegerse, pero está presente en diversos platillos regionales, y
lo mismo ocurre con animales de pie de monte como el armadillo y el
venado. Los cerdos monteses, los pavos y las gallinas de la tierra
fueron abundantes y quedaron registrados en crónicas y listas de
tributos. En Colima, por ejemplo, entre 20 pueblos tributaban 1 239
guajolotes. Estas poblaciones hablaban náhuatl; sin embargo, antes hubo
hablantes de cazcán, sayulteca, pinote, tiam, cochin y quoacomeca, entre
otras lenguas.

Hay un sinnúmero de frutas que aprovechaban nuestros antepasados
prehispánicos y se siguen aprovechando: diversos tipos de zapote,
papaya, piña, bonete, entre otros. En Taxco, por ejemplo, había
(y hay) anonas, zapotes amarillos, prietos y blancos, parras silvestres,
guayabas, nanches, guamúchiles, capulines y ciruelas. Era importante la
producción de miel, la cual se medía en calabazos, pues la cáscara de
este fruto servía como recipiente.

Hay una gran variedad de chía en diversos lugares de la región; se le
conoce como chía gorda, chía de Colima o simplemente chan. Los indios de
poblaciones como Tepic tuestan las semillas y las muelen; luego las
mezclan con agua hasta formar una especie de atole, que se endulza con
miel, al que llaman bate. La harina o pinole de maíz tostado mezclada
con agua era y es frecuente.

La sal se produjo en abundancia en las costas de esta región. En Sinaloa
había salinas de dos tipos, las que se forman al cuajarse la sal sobre
la arena, y otras de sal muy dura, que podía encontrarse en el fondo de
charcos de mar; con ésta los guasaves, antiguos habitantes de esta zona,
hacían panes o bloques, que intercambiaban. En la Relación de Michoacán,
escrita en la época del contacto, se registra una técnica para obtener
sal: se regaba, se secaba y luego se volvía a mojar, para después
escurrir el agua en unos cestos apropiados; después se ponía al fuego
hasta que se cuajaba en cristales grandes.

El gran complejo lacustre que abarcaba desde la Cuenca de México hasta
la laguna de Chapala, en Jalisco, y los lagos de Pátzcuaro, Zirahuén y
Cuitzeo, en Michoacán, trajo consigo una relación muy cercana y armónica
con la vegetación, las aves y los peces. En Michoacán, "lugar de pescado
(michi)", los purépechas comerciaron en una amplia zona variedades como
el charal seco o salado, producto de técnicas en las que eran expertos.
Alonso de la Rea consigna que el lago de Pátzcuaro era muy profundo y
que ahí se podía obtener "infinito pescado blanco, muy sabroso y saludable".

En las recetas que presentamos el maíz aparece como ingrediente en
preparaciones variadas: como nixtamal para espesar la cuachala de
Jalisco y el chilate de Guerrero; era la base de los tamales barbones
-llamados así porque sobresalen las "barbas" de los camarones-, de las
corundas y de los tamales de ceniza. Los uchepos son de elote fresco y
los esquites de maíz tostado; la ritualidad con que los preparan los
huicholes habla de su importancia. La descripción de los preparativos de
la fiesta que acompaña a la receta del mole de Guerrero, aunque
corresponde a la zona del Altiplano, muestra hasta qué punto se
comparten costumbres y tradiciones en zonas extensas del país, y cómo
perviven entre nosotros.

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topics on the "Research" email list: research@nuestrosranchos.org and
"General" topics on the General email list: general@nuestrosranchos.org]

thanks,

joseph

Research in Aguascalientes

I just returned from our 31st Castanon Family Reunion in Stkn Ca. and had a family member ask if I had any information for her husbands family originally from Aguascalientes.. I found some information on Familysearch and am wondering if anyone in the group is working this Andrade line? Luciano Andrade and Antonia Montes were married in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on Feb. 18 1835. Their son Pascual Andrade, wife Maria Augustina Lopez, married May 23 1859 are the parents of Luis Andrade June 1874, wife, Angela Mendez who are the parents of my relative Luis Andrade from Ca. I was amazed I could find this much online and am praying someone in the group has other information.

Luis Andrade said his family history has been lost except for bits and pieces since his father immigrated around 1920 and worked for the railroad moving so much Luis doesn't even know where he was born. When he needed a passport to vacation in Europe the clerk asked him where he would like to be born just to be able to get the passport.. that should confuse future genealogists who don't know his story! Luis also said his father said he rode with Pancho Villa even though he doesn't know whether to believe the story or not..
I would appreciate any help from anyone working the records from Aguacalientes.

Linda in Everett

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This email distribution list should be used for things of Research
interest that you wouldn't consider General or Announcements.

Okay everyone this is the email list that you all should be cutting
loose on. Tell us your latest finds or ask your questions. If you have
something ask.

As for me I'm very encouraged. I have mentioned before that I have
broken through what I consider my last important wall. Yes I have many
other walls to break through, but getting through this last one makes me
content even if I always have to stay on this side of those other walls
because this side is in the midst of all four of my grandparents.
Actually I've passed all 4 grandparents and am sitting comfortable with
all 8 of my Great grandparents.

Yes there is much work to do but knowing that the preliminary work is
done is comforting. I've take a giant first step for the family. I'll
continue to do more work and research but it might require future
geneations to take the batton and carry the work to the next level. .
.well lets see how far I can carry it.

I had been inserting information into my Family Tree Maker 2006 software
and noticed that it was getting slow and unmanageable to work with
especially since I had been putting the JPEG scan/photo of the source
records for the individuals baptism, marriage and death when they were
available. Well I decided to ask about this on the FTM list.

Seems that I should have been cropping, resizing, and optimizing the
JPEG's first and then entering them to keep the file size down. So what
I did is deleted every foto in my FTM file, then I cut the file in Half.
I have one file now for my Dad's side of the family and One for my Mom's
side of the family. Then I resized, cropped, and optimized my fotos and
am slowly reinserting them into FTM.

It's a big job but the work is progressing. I'm also making sure to
insert the Source Citations for each document as I'd hate for some
future geneation to think "Wonder where he found that?" Here is an
example of how I'm doing it with each record:

"359. LDS Film; Bautismos; Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico,
1158278v23p87/137(6Jul1907), Baptism record for Paulina Puentes-parents:
Felix Puentes y Petra Marquez. Paternal Grandparents: Juan Jose Puentes
y Micaela Romero. Maternal Grandparents: Juan Marquez y Simona Galvez.
Her marriage to Santos Villagrana is recorded in the margin as was the
custom of that day."

I guess I can't stress how important it is to give your source
citations. After all we are doing this so that future geneations can
know about their roots. Some will be curious if we were just inventing
names or if they really are related to all the listed old geizers. For
the curious please document and list your source citations.

joseph

4th of July Parade

The Texas Connection to the America Revolution Association is going to
be sending a group to Washington, D.C. for the 4th of July. At this
point it is very possible that I'll be driving the float. why don't all
of you Texan's come to DC with that group and join in the parade?

here is their website:

http://www.tcara.net/

thanks,

joseph

ps: my Mom was probably born in either El Paso or Juarez but my Perez
side was in Juarez for at least 3 geneations before that.

limpieza de sangre

I did get a response back from Joseph and it looks like the information for
the bishphoric of Guadalajara is filmed by the LDS.

I suppose one day I may decide to take a look at it and see what is in there.

I would still love to see what is in your books however.

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From: mmg8938
Date: Thu Jun 01 22:33:46 CDT 2006
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] limpieza de sangre

Have you gotten any info on your question?

I have a book; have not seen it in a long time....but I could find it if
needed. It had the priest and his ancestors listed. I may have gotten that
in Spain.

When you ask where could they be found....probably in the Franciscan
Archives....wouldn't you think? Most probably there because I do not think
they would be at the Archivo de la Nacion.

Now, I need to find that book. It will give the info that you need.

Mickey

Attachments/ File & Email Size Limitations

for everyone's information:

1) You can't add attachments to emails as they will be stripped as in
the recent message by Ernie on the photo he included. If you want to
show the group a photo then upload it to the Album area and copy the
link of its location then send the email to the group with the link
enclosed.

2) Email sent to the group have a limit of 100 kb which is a lot but can
be exceeded if not careful. If you have an email that is larger than
that then contact moderator@nuestrosranchos.org for advice.

3) Files bigger than 2MB cannot be uploaded to the site. If you have a
file bigger than that then it is advised that you break it into chunks
smaller than 2MB each and upload the individual pieces. Contact
moderator@nuestrosranchos.org for advice if needed.

thanks,

joseph