Nuestros Ranchos Site

When I stayed in a small town in Coahuila as a young teenager, this was the
highlight of pre-determined evenings. We would all dress up, head towards
the plaza with the elders and begin walking (in one direction), while the guys
walked in another direction. The elders sat in the peripherals of the plaza,
catching up on gossip, politics, while keeping a watchful eye on all of us.

The funny part of this tradition was I remember a really cute guy had
"ojitos" for me, and when we returned back home, I was excited, like every 15 year
old would be. But then, my aunts promptly told that he was a 2nd cousin -
and therefore it was totally unacceptable to give "ojitos" back. In reality,
everyone was related to me - so this tradition was not very productive for my
cousins....

I guess that is why there were "fiestas", to encourage other towns to visit
your town and to participate in these rituals and get the blood lines
somewhat mixed.....that is how many of my cousins all met their spouses.

Mexican women also immigated to China to marry Chinese men.
At least that was the story my mother told me. She said the prospective brides were led to believe they would live a certain way, but that many wound up as concubines, or worse.

Supposedly, average Mexicans raised millions of silver pesos to repatriate the women who arrived in Acapulco in ships with stories to tell.

Pancho Villa was notorious for his anti-Chinese fervor. I've heard he executed all Chinese in his territory.

When I was in Hong Kong and Macau I saw many Mexican pesos with "chop" marks. The Chinese, as well as Persians, Arabs and many other people in Asia and Africa used the peso as their currency.

They hammered into the coins chop marks, incised markings to indicate they were currency in their particular jurisdiction.

Around 1905 Mexico changed the legend on its coins to "Estados Unidos Mexicanos.," and switched to the current peso.

But people all over the world believed "Republica Mexicana" meant pure silver. So Mexico continued, still continues, to issue Ocho Reales silver coins labeled Republica Mexicana for export with the date 1898.

Many people use the silver Ocho Reales for body adornment. Necklaces of money, such as they wear in Burma, and Thailand. It's their form of savings.

I have just posted a picture of a church in the Albums/Ranchos y Ciudades/Nochistlan, Zacatecas section. I received this photo from a primo about a year ago and have since lost contact with him. Does anyone recognize this church, and/or know it's name. According to my primo this is where my great-grandparents, Victo Jauregui and Petra Huerta, were married in Nochistlan, Zac.

Olivia,
Rowland Heights, CA

Malaga, Spain, Tino and I vacationed there years ago, just down from
> Torremolinos. It's a beautiful area of Spain. I don't recall
> Benalmadena,
> nor the feria being mentioned. We were there August 1989.
> Thank you for sharing and rekindling both the good and the not so good
> times, what I often refer to as life's "emotional roller coaster."
>
> Pat
>

Pat and Nuestros Ranchos;

Here is the link to the Benalmadena calendar of events of Malaga España in case anyone is interested. http://www.andalucia.com/calendar/benalmadena.htm

It makes me want to hop on a plane to one of these festivals.

The month of June reminds me of la Fiesta de San Agustin in my pueblo of Tlachichila Zacatecas. During the two week celebration every night the singles in the town gather in the evenings around La Plaza. The females walk or strut around the courtyard in one direction to the tune of the music and the males march in the opposite direction also around the courtyard or plaza. The males come prepared with fresh flowers and when they see a female that particularly catches their eye they will hand her a flower as they pass, this is how she knows that he is interested in her. If at the next passing she is interested in him she will accept another flower, otherwise she will just pass him by. If he is very intersted and she does not respond and if he's persistent, he will begin to throw flowers in her direction. Mom and dad used to talk about this and I did not really believe it was still going on. Guess what? It is and it is a beautiful but provincial ritual or tradition.

Alicia

Barron certainly appears to be a common name in Mexico for some time so the England story is suspect.

Here are a couple of IGI listings that look somewhat interesting as far as Rosario's parents though neither is an exact match. I suppose Rosario died to early to be listed in the Social Security death index. Do you have any idea which border crossing he would have used to come to the U.S.?

HILARIO BARRON
Marriages:
Spouse: PRISCILIANA FERNANDEZ
Marriage: 16 OCT 1879
Nuestra Senora Del Refugio, Ciudad Victoria, Tamaulipas, Mexico
Husband Age at Marriage: 35
Wife Age at Marriage: 20
Batch M601749 Film 0639882

Sabas Barron
Parents:
Father: Feliciano Barron
Mother: Catalina Muños
Marriages:
Spouse: Priciliana Benavides
Marriage: 16 SEP 1883
Santa Maria La Redonda,Guerrero, , Distrito Federal, Mexico

Batch M619093 Film 0036169

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From: Pat Silva Corbera
Date: 2006/07/13 Thu AM 10:40:09 CDT
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Quic-Silver Mining Almanden / San Jose /Santa Clara Co CA.

My son-in-law's paternal maternal great-grandfather, Rosario Barron (Paura) worked the Quik Silver Mines in what was known as the Redwood Township Almaden Precinct of Santa Clara Co. CA. in the 1920s.

Rosario Barron b. abt 1884 Mexico, died bef 1930, son of (father's name not known to me) and mother Preciliana Paura b. abt 1860. Rosario married Macaria Perales Rodriquez, she b. 24 March 1889 Jesus, Zacatecas, Mexico daughter of Luis Perales and Victoriana Rodriquez. Verbal history has Rosario being born in England, and traveling to Mexico in the late 1800s. The 1920 Santa Clara Co. Federal Census indicates that he was born in Mexico, as were his parents.

1920 Santa Clara Co. CA Census, Sosario (Rosario) Barron head of household, Macaria wife; sons Marcello, Cipriano, Tomas, Manuel and daughter Natalia, also listed is Preciliana Paura (Rosario's widowed mother); Emilio Perales (Rosario's brother-in-law) and Victoriana Rodriquez (Rosario's widowed mother-in-law.)

On the 1930 Santa Clara Co. CA census Macaria is listed as a male/head of household, along with children Sipriano, Natalie, Thomas, Manuel, Albert, Alexandria and Emilio; and mother Victoria Perales. One can only assume that from 1920 to 1930 Rosario Barron and his mother Preciliana Paura had passed away.

Pat Silva Corbera

Long before I became interested in genealogy, I was aware of family lore
that there was a Chinese ancestor in my maternal family. In the 1980s I
determined to resolve the issue. As such, I visited the FHC in Yuma, AZ and
began my journey: the more microfilm I read, the more I ordered. Finally, I
found my gr gr grandfather's "diligencia matrimonial" in which he stated the
name of his parents, his age and place of birth. Based on the age of my gr
gr grandfather, I proceeded to order the appropriate baptismal and
matrimonial microfilms for Hermosillo, Sonora..

I soon found a matrimonial entry for Juan José Manuel Concepción and María
Leocádia Munguía in the Capilla of the Real Presidio de Pitic (now
Hermosillo, Sonora) on May 28, 1821. Interesting he stated he was born in
Macao, in the Chinese Empire and the name of the bride was that of my gr gr
gr grandmother. However, it was not until I found the baptismal entries of
his sons, that I realized my ancestor had changed his name to Juan Bon.

Now, I hope to find my Tisnado ancestor in the 1600s.

George

My son-in-law's paternal maternal great-grandfather, Rosario Barron (Paura) worked the Quik Silver Mines in what was known as the Redwood Township Almaden Precinct of Santa Clara Co. CA. in the 1920s.

Rosario Barron b. abt 1884 Mexico, died bef 1930, son of (father's name not known to me) and mother Preciliana Paura b. abt 1860. Rosario married Macaria Perales Rodriquez, she b. 24 March 1889 Jesus, Zacatecas, Mexico daughter of Luis Perales and Victoriana Rodriquez. Verbal history has Rosario being born in England, and traveling to Mexico in the late 1800s. The 1920 Santa Clara Co. Federal Census indicates that he was born in Mexico, as were his parents.

1920 Santa Clara Co. CA Census, Sosario (Rosario) Barron head of household, Macaria wife; sons Marcello, Cipriano, Tomas, Manuel and daughter Natalia, also listed is Preciliana Paura (Rosario's widowed mother); Emilio Perales (Rosario's brother-in-law) and Victoriana Rodriquez (Rosario's widowed mother-in-law.)

On the 1930 Santa Clara Co. CA census Macaria is listed as a male/head of household, along with children Sipriano, Natalie, Thomas, Manuel, Albert, Alexandria and Emilio; and mother Victoria Perales. One can only assume that from 1920 to 1930 Rosario Barron and his mother Preciliana Paura had passed away.

Pat Silva Corbera

What a small world, My parents owned the Warburton's Tamales and Enchilada Shop in Santa Clara and bought about 500 tortillas weekly from Puentes Bros. They used to make their own tortillas while the shop was in Santa Clara, but when they bought a restaurant in Mountain View, they took to buying their tortillas from Puentes Bros. That would have been the mid 50s. I just talked to my Mom and she remembers either your Mother or Aunt's birthday being on St. Patrick's Day. My brother took over the Tamale business in the early 80's and I am not sure where he was buying the tortillas then. Warburton's is now closed but my twin and I still get together and make the tamales and enchiladas. To celebrate the business's 100th anniversary, in 2004, Mom gave out the recipe to all our cousins. My parents were Bud and Aileen Chiono in case your family remembers them.

Kitty Chiono Cortez
Rocklin, CA

A couple of people have asked me about Indian kidnappings, and life on the unsettled frontier in general.

Of course, I don't mean to demonize the Indians who were only protecting their families, homes, and land. But the story is almost always told from the European perspective.

I came across these notes in my Romo Famiy files that I had forgotten about. They are oral traditions written down as best remembered.

Isidoro was the grandson of Isidoro Palos, who family history claims came from Palos, Spain circa 1820 as a student. Isidoro the first was involved in student unrest (participated in the Mexican revolution against Spain), and was jailed. Legend has it that he was in leg irons and only escaped when an Indian woman smuggled a knife in, and he cut off his own heel.

Mama Tencha says that Isidoro's dad's family (Blas), raised a young man who was Mexican but had been taken by Indians when the boy was a very young boy. This young man later returned to civilization and taught Isidoro many things about plants and wild life, having learned these things from the Indians. Isidoro used to tell Mama that when he was a boy, his young man took him to the forest or wilderness and proceeded to make Isidoro first smell a plant that caused a severe nosebleed, and then making him smell another plant that stopped the bleeding instantly.

Isidoro used to tell Mom stories about his youth, when they would bring cotton to the gins in San Antonio, Tx from Mexico. At that time, they still had to come in wagon trains because of Indian attacks.

Note: I assume they are refering to Apaches in Coahuila.

Not a real big deal now but lets try to keep the messages on the right
lists:

for things directly related to research use: research@nuestrosranchos.org

for things of a general nature use: general@nuestrosranchos.org

for things that are announcements use: announce@nuestrosranchos.org

like I said it is not a big deal just a very gentle reminder to lets try
to keep the messages going to the right list.

thanks,

joseph

ps: while I'm at it. Have you all gone in and updated your profiles? If
not log in and go to "My Account" and then the "Edit" tab and completely
as possible (please don't skimp) update your "Personal Information" and
"Research" information. Also while you are there you can change from
individual emails to digest if the list is becomeing to much for your
inbox OR if you really want you can change to "no mail" and not receive
the mail to your inbox at all but will have to read the emails online at
http://nuestrosranchos.org

I have just posted a picture of a church in the Albums/Ranchos y Ciudades/Nochistlan, Zacatecas section. I received this photo from a primo about a year ago and have since lost contact with him. Does anyone recognize this church, and/or know it's name. According to my primo this is where my great-grandparents, Victo Jauregui and Petra Huerta, were married in Nochistlan, Zac.

Olivia,
Rowland Heights, CA

http://genealogy.about.com/od/publishing/a/printing.htm

Joseph,

I had been meaning to ask you about that picture of the men in front of the "Puentes Bros" store.

My husband and I were brought from the Southwest to San Jose as children right after WWII (he from El Paso, age 12, and me from New Mexico's Mesilla Valley, age 8). We lived there, went to school (St. Joseph's, Washington Elementary, Wilson Jr. High, SJ High, SJCC, SJSU), worked there, and retired there before moving up to the Northwest in 1996. Our families in San Jose always bought the corn tortillas at Puentes Bros. since Safeway didn't sell any Mexican products, and I remember my mother would pick up the masa, chiles, etc. for tamales there too.

What a small world. There are several in the group that grew up in what is now called "Silicon Valley". It was so beautiful there after the War, all Victorian houses, Craftsman houses, Spanish style houses, only about 50,000 population, all palm trees and blossoming orchards, the smell from the trees and the canneries that packed the fruits, etc. My folks last lived at 409 N. 18th Street, corner of Washington, I think.

I also lost a fingertip (middle) when I was a child of five in New Mexico. It got lopped off when a heavy wooden door I was going through slammed shut suddenly behind me while I was still holding onto its edge. My aunt later found the finger tip. I will have to ask her what she did with it. (She's 92 now). I remember I was in such pain for weeks that my whole left side was paralyzed, and I had to wear a sling to hold my arm up later. It took so long to heal; all they did was bandage it with gauze. OOOh. That finger is more than a quarter inch shorter than the corresponding one on the right hand.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

There have been quite a few new members that have joined the list since
we moved to the new site.

If you haven't had a chance yet please do introduce your self on the
Research list: research@nuestrosranchos.org

Make sure to give us the Surnames in the specific areas within our
Target area of research that you are researching. If you have any
questions or want to make comments please feel free to do so on whatever
list would be appropriate:

(for General topics)
general@nuestrosranchos.org

(for Announcements)
announce@nuestrosranchos.org

(for Research topics)
research@nuestrosranchos.org

thanks,
joseph

ps: I sent this "Announcement" message to the Research List because I think Introductions should be sent to the Research list since they specifically will include
Surnames and areas of Research. Don't be intimidated if you can't figure out which list to mail your comments to. There won't be a "proper forum" officer ready
to pounce on you if you post to the wrong list. For those that want to help redirect messages to an appropriate list just change the address sent to the group before
clicking on "reply."

I've run across a surname that does not comply with the traditional Mexican progression of surnames. In other words, the name of the person is not followed by the surname of the father, then the surname of the mother.

Instead, the name of the child is followed by the entire name, first name and surname, of the father.

The surname is Marcelo, also spelled Marselo.

The person in my tree is Salvador Marselo. Or Salvdr. Marcelo. Born around 1793.

I think Marcelino could be a variant of this surname.

I examined a wide range of Marcelos in familysearch, and this pattern holds up across Mexico, and across the centuries.

For instance, Maria, daughter of Juan Marcelo and Maria Gonzales, would be Maria Juan Marcelo.

And even more oddly, Juan, son of Marcos Marcelo and Juanita Verdugo, would be named Juan Marcos Marcelo.

This seems to run contrary to all other nomenclature.

The surname sounds of French, or possibly Italian origin to me. I don't know if that would have any bearing, or if other surnames might use this construction.

It certainly complicates searches.

It could be a holdover from a previous system of naming children.

if you saw a little boy running around the store sometimes then it might
have been me. Then again it could easily have been one of my many
cousins. You never know but you and I might have met or as little kids
looked at each other way long ago.

Joseph,

Who knows, maybe all 3 children played together, YOU, Me and John Gonzales at Puentes Brothers store and tortilla factory. John Gonzales lived by Alum Rock, you lived in the middle on 18th street and I lived on the other side in what is called the Burbank district, close to highway 17 and 280. I went to Del Mar High School of the Campbell high school district. John went to James Lick and I don't know what school you went to. Maybe Karma or our ancestors brought us together.

Sorry to hear that you lost part of your finger but since it did happen you will always have that story to recount. Thanks for sharing your photos and stories, goes to show we are more than just names, we are people with family histories and a lifetime of memories that are waiting to be told.

Alicia

Arturo,

I just noticed that Linda's messages regarding her new DNA test results
aren't listed in the Ranchos website.

Previously I also noted that one of my posts apparently was truncated on the
way from my email client to the Ranchos website.

Just wanted to bring this to your attention so you can check if there's
something wrong and if there are any other instances where this is
happening.

Saludos,

Victor

"Mongolian blue spots are common among darker-skinned races, such as
Asian, East Indian, and African. They are flat, pigmented lesions with
unclear borders and irregular shape. They appear commonly at the base
of the spine, on the buttocks and back. They may also can appear as
high as the shoulders and elsewhere. Mongolian spots are benign skin
markings and are not associated with any conditions or illnesses."
[p://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001472.htm]

http://blip.tv/file/15484

this one is full of relatives from Jalisco, Zacatecas and Chihuahua

joseph

ps: you'll have to have Windows Media Player to view. . .sorry Mac folks,

but if you have QuickTime you can try this: http://blip.tv/file/15482,
but when I checked it the audio wasn't working and the picture was
incredibly small.

Linda with DNA the geographical areas are easier to cross and still make connections. A great
database has already been set up and it would be good to make your contributions there on
Gary Felix' site.

See: The Genealogy of Mexico
http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm

For genealogical purposes "I Think" that the main use of DNA is to compare your Y-DNA with others
that have the same last name to see if they compare. Others that are more fluent on DNA results can
more likely give a better explanation.

joseph

-------- Original Message -------- DNA
Date:Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:34:42 -0500
From: Linda R Romero
Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

Will "Ranchos" set up a place in its files for us to upload and
compare our DNA results? It may be helpful for us to be able to
compare our DNA with one another. It's another dimension of
research that compliments the gedcoms already in
the files.LindaROMERO Y-DNA Surname Group Co-Administrator
http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/r/romero/
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/romero

In reference to Chinese immigrants in Mexico prior to 1650... one of the most Mexican of traditions originates with an Asian immigrant...

http://www.houstonculture.org/mexico/lachina.html

ASIAN INFLUENCE IN MEXICO STEMS FROM SEVENTEENTH CENTURY
By Mark D. Lacy

La China Poblana has a special place in the hearts of Mexican people who revere Puebla, ranking just below Mexico's freedom and above delicious food as a symbol of Puebla's proud history. Puebla is know to the world as the city where Mexico defeated the French on May 5, 1862 to eventually win its second independence. For Mexican people, Puebla is known as a great place to enjoy delicious varieties of mole poblano (sauces made with chocolate and spices usually poured over chicken) and chiles enogada, (poblano peppers that are covered with red and white sauces to resemble the flag of Mexico).

But for people all over Mexico and audiences throughout the world, the tradition of La China Poblana is seen on the brightly embroidered ballet folklorico dress style from Puebla, thought to be Chinese in its influence.

La China Poblana, an Asian woman who lived in Puebla, came to Mexico in 1620 as a servant and left her mark on the traditions of the Spanish colonial region with her clothing.

The girl who came to Mexico in the early seventeenth century was probably sold into servitude by traders in the port of Acapulco. She is believed to have been captured by South Seas pirates when she was nine. Evidence indicates she was named Mirrha and came from India, through Spanish controlled ports in the Philippines.

Mirrha (La China Poblana) is believed to have been bought by Miguel de Sosa, who baptized the eleven-year-old "Chinese girl" and gave her the Christian name Catarina de San Juan. After Sosa and his wife died, Catarina married Domingo Suárez, the Chinese servant of a local priest, adding to the legend that she was Chinese.

The dress style now known as China Poblana, a white blouse and colorful embroidered red and green shirt, has evolved to include the national symbols of Mexico - an eagle clutching a snake, and prickly pair cactus. A woman who wears the dress usually braids her hair on two sides, tied with red, white and green ribbons.

Some Mexican people attribute the style to the indigenous people of the region, believing they wore a dress style that resembled a Chinese dress, while most others believe the style developed from the "Chinese girl" who was a servant in Puebla. They say it is widely known and handed down through local tradition that the people admired the girl, La China Poblana, for her generosity and exotic beauty, and they honored her by wearing her dress style.

Catarina de San Juan (1609-1688) is believed buried at he Templo de la Compañia. The Museo Casa del Alfeñique exhibits China Poblana costumes and a local restaurant is named Las Chinas de Puebla. There is also a monument to La China Poblana at the intersection of Boulevard Heroes del 5 de Mayo and Avenida Defensores de La Republica.

HI,

I am a new member to Nuestros Ranchos and already I made contact with a distant Tisnado relative. Based on the IGI found in www.FamilySearch.com, migration and settlement patterns, I am searching for the Tisnado ancestor who migrated from Jalisco to Sonora.

To date, the earliest Sonora record I have found is the marriage of Jose Domingo Tisnado and Ma(g)dalena Contreras on August 28, 1736.

Surnames I am searching: Tisnado, Lisarraga, Monreal, Tapia, Sesma and ,of course, Martinez.

Thanks for your consideration.

Most of my research originated in Calvillo and Aguascalientes,
Aguascalientes. This is my fathers paternal side. My surname is Gonzales,
below is my father Antonly Richard Gonzales. The following are two pages of
my book in dictionary form of surnames I've researched from LDS films and
other documents.

Rose Hardy

Gonzales, Anthony Richard
The son of Antonio Ramon Gonzales and Agnes Jesse Ruelas. He was also known
as Sonny to family and family friends and also went by the name of Richard
until his death. He was born on 3 April 1938 in Covina, California. He
married Mary Louise Rios, the daughter of Ernest Rios and Francisca
Hernandez on 15 November 1958 in Azusa, California. The witnesses were
Anthony N. Ruelas and Terry Villegas. He lived in Azusa until his death on
11 January 1979. He was buried at Queen of Heaven Cemetery in Rowland
Heights, California on 15 January 1979.

Gonzales, Antonia
The daughter of Salvador Gonzales and Catharina Ramirez. She married Juan de
Santos, the son of Matheo de Santos and Theodora Chaves on 7 January 1704 in
Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. The witnesses were Antonio Bedoya and
Antonio Sagrado. She was buried on 6 July 1764 in Aguascalientes,
Aguascalientes.

Gonzales, Antonia
The daughter of Juan Gonzales Hidalgo and Cathalina Gonzales. She was
baptized 27 June 1683 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco. The godparents were Joseph de
Albares and Juana de Billagran.

Gonzales, Antonio
The son of Jose Sesario de la Trinidad Gonzales and Decideria Pompa. He
married Anacleta Ramires, the daughter of Damaso Ramires and Victoriana
Gonzales on 3 May 1865 in Calvillo, Aguascalientes. The godparents were
Felipe Calvillo and Refugio Rodrigues. The witnesses were Ysavel Mendes and
Perfecto Ruiz.

Gonzales, Antonio
The son of Luis Gonzales and Cathalina de Quiroga. He was baptized 7
December 1648 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. The godparents were Juan
Macias and Margarita Gonsales.

Gonzales, Antonio Julian
The son of Manuel Gonzales and Ines Delgadillo. He was born 31 January 1733.
He was baptized on 15 February 1733 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. He
married Maria Micaela de la Carmen Gutierrez, the daughter of Joseph
Benancio Gutierrez and Francisca Xaviera Macias on 2 February 1761 in
Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes.

Gonzales, Antonio Ramon
The son of Ciriaco (Peter) Gonzales and Romanita Rodriguez Ramos. He was
born 28 February 1909 in Azusa, California. He is listed in the 1920 U.S.
census to be residing with his parents at 804 Angelino Street in Azusa,
California. He married Agnes Jesse Ruelas, the daughter of Joseph Ruelas and
Guadalupe Arvizu on 12 September 1937 in Los Angeles, California. The
witnesses were Salvador M Gonzales and Hortense R. Gonzales. The 1930 U.S.
census states his father owned a garage and he is listed as a mechanic. He
took over the business and owned Azusa Garage on Foothill Blvd. He continued
to be an auto mechanic until his death on 10 December 1975 in Los Angeles,
California. He was buried 15 December 1975 at Queen of Heaven Cemetery in
Rowland Heights, California.

Gonzales, Beatrice
The daughter of Ciriaco (Peter) Gonzales and Romanita Rodrigues Ramos. She
is listed in the 1920 U.S. census to be the age of 4 and born in California.
She lived with her parents at 804 Angelino Street in Azusa, California.

Gonzales, Beatris
The daughter of Luis Gonzales and Beatris Gallegos. She was confirmed on 15
June 1621 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. The godmother was Ysabel Peres.

Gonzales, Beatris
The daughter of Luis Gonzales and Cathalina de Quiroga. She was baptized 18
March 1646 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. The godparents were Juan de
Montoro and Maria de Avila, his wife.

Gonzales, Catharina Efigenia
The daughter of Salvador Gonzales and Catharina Ramirez. She was baptized 3
March 1704 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. The godfather was Matheo de
Santos.

Gonzales, Christoval
The son of Juan Gonzales Hidalgo and Cathalina Gonzales. He was baptized 11
August 1686 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco. The godparents were Francisco de Puga
and Sebastiana Gonzales.

Gonzales, Cristoval (Xptoval)
The son of Salvador Gonzales and Catharina Ramirez. He was baptized 15
August 1689 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. The godmother was Francisca
Moran.

Gonzales, Ciriaco
See Gonzales, Peter the son of Nicolas Gonzales and Damiana (Donciana)
Calvillo.

Gonzales, Cosme Damian
The son of Jose Hermengildo Gonzales and Maria Dolores de la Merced de los
Santos. He was born 26 September 1796 in Tapias, Aguascalientes. He was
baptized 9 October 1796 in Calvillo, Aguascalientes. The godparents were
Juan Jose Ortega and Maria Josefa Gonzales. He married Maria de Jesus
Gutierrez, the daughter of Ramon Gutierrez and Anna Maria Gonzales on 30 May
1816 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes.

Gonzales, Estevan
The son of Luis Gonzales and Cathalina de Quiroga. He was baptized 18
September 1663 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. The godparents were Thomas
and Juana Alarcon. He was confirmed 17 August 1675 in Aguascalientes,
Aguascalientes. The godmother was Josepha Gutierres. He was buried on 4
March 1682 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes.

Gonzales, Feliciano
The son of Jose Sesario de la Trinidad Gonzales and Decidora Pompa. He was
baptized 10 January 1849 in Calvillo, Aguascalientes. He was confirmed in
1881 in Calvillo, Aguascalientes. The godfather was Jose Maria Calvillo.

Gonzales, Felipe
The son of Francisco Gonzales and Francisca Munos. He was confirmed 14
November 1728 in Aguascalientes. He was originally from the valley of
Huejucar and in the jurisdiction of Agostadero in Aguascalientes. He was
buried 30 July 1738 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. At the time of his
death he was single.

Gonzales, Felix
The son of Marcos Gonzales and Virginia Arias. He was born 25 June 1917 in
Los Angeles County, California. He died 6 October 1987 in Azusa, California.

Gonzales, Floriana
The daughter of Francisco Gonzales and Francisca Munos. She died at the age
of 7 and lived in the jurisdiction of Agostadero. She was buried on 21
December 1739 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes.

Gonzales, Floretia
The daughter of Ciriaco (Peter) Gonzales and Romanita Rodriguez Ramos. She
is listed in the 1920 U.S. census to be the age of 12 and born in
California. She lived at 804 Angelino Street in Azusa, California with her
parents.

Gonzales, Francisca
The daughter of Luis Gonzales and Cathalina de Quiroga. She was baptized 10
July 1659 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. The godparents were Francisco
E… and Ana de Saldana. She was confirmed 17 August 1675 in Aguascalientes,
Aguascalientes. The godfather was Joseph Marin.

Gonzales, Francisco
The son of Juan Gonsales and Antonia Alvarez. He was baptized 5 April 1687
in Teocaltiche, Jalisco. The godparents were Joseph de Anda and Juana Moran,
his wife.

Gonzales, Francisco
He married Francisca Munos. At the time of his death he was a widower and
resident of the town of El Atajo in Aguascalientes. According to the
document he was originally from Cuculiten, but it possibly could have been
Culiacan, Mexico. He was buried 28 May 1765 in Aguascalientes,
Aguascalientes.

Gonzales, Francisco Cleto
The son of Francisco Gonzales and Francisca Munos. He was born 21 May 1716
in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. He was baptized 13 June 1716 in
Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. The godmother was Juana Manuela Gil.

Gonzales, Francisco Remigio
The son of Francisco Gonzales and Francisca Munos. He was baptized 11
November 1720 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. The godparents were Pedro
de Esparza and Andrea Calbillo.

Gonzales, Francisco Solano
The son of Salvador Gonzales and Catharina Ramires. He was baptized 4 July
1709 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. The godmother was Nicolasa Ruis de
Esparza.

Gonzales, Geronimo
The son of Juan Gonzales Hidalgo and Cathalina Gonzales. He was baptized 25
January 1682 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco. The godparents were Onofre Rs and
Cathalina Sena.

Gonzales, Gregorio Albin
The son of Francisco Gonzales and Francisca Munos. He was baptized 1 May
1723 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. The godparents were Juan Munos and
Josepha Mathiana Munos. He was confirmed on 15 May 1741 in Aguascalientes,
Aguascalientes.

Thank you, that answered my questions. I am trying to learn. Helen
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From: arturoramos
>
> Helen:
>
> The films database on Nuestros Ranchos has two basic functions... the first is
> to make it easier to search IGI and VRI by providing batch numbers by
> municipality and date so that you can easily narrow your search and even perform
> powerful wildcard searches that are usually not possible without batch numbers.
> In fact, when you find a film in the database, you can simply click the IGI or
> VRI button next to the film number and it will take you directly to the
> familysearch website and give you a listing of EVERYTHING that is on that film
> from which you can narrow your search by entering as little or as much
> additional data as you want.
>
> The second purpose is so that members can see if another member has a particular
> film on indefinite loan at their local FHC. Members who have films on such
> indefinte loan are usually familiar with the content of the film and can answer
> questions and some very generous ones will even do a sporadic lookup for another
> member so as to facilitate searches...
>
> I hope this helps.

I've standardized all my spellings to conform to today's language.

At first I left the old names, they are quaint and add a certain flavor to my tree.

But my tree is too large and unwieldly for that now. Too many alternate names cause confusion and chaos.

Remember that Spanish has even changed alphabets (the Latin alphabet it utilizes today, the Arabic alphabet it used during the Moslem occupation of Iberia, and even the Hebrew alphabet)and still retained its integrity.

But you wouldn't retain a name in the original Arabic if you found a record of yours in that language.

The data has to remain accesible to the broadest possible audience. Most modern readers would not be familiar with old spellings. It would distract from the main thrust of our interest, in my opinion.