Nuestros Ranchos Site

Here is the reply I got from my Family History Center manager:

> ps: is that 800 number to the LDS church in SLC available to the
> public? Can I hand it out to the genealogy group i have so they can
> contact the "international" desk for occassional questions?
>
Yes, anybody is welcome to use it. This might be a newer number:
866-406-1830

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If you have specific questions that you can't otherwise find on the
www.familysearch.org site call the above number and ask for the
"International" desk or area for Mexico. Please share what you find with
the group.

joseph

I received the following second message from SLC FHC - It still doesn't
explain why this IGI had only the batch number. I continue to agree with
Rose, that while additions or corrections are in the process of being made,
an IGI will only reflect a batch number. Once completed, then a batch
number will be assigned with either "M" "C" "J" and "K" along with dates
and a film number. Pat

Dear Patricia J. Silva Corbera,

We appreciate your inquiry and apologize as w egave you the wrong film
number. The correct number is 245201 Registros parroquiales, 1881-1933
Iglesia Católica. Jesús (Zacatecas, Zacatecas) Bautismos 1884-1890

To find this in our catalog go to www.FamilySearch.org, click on "Film/Fiche
search" and type in the number. Click on the title that comes up and then on
the "View Film Notes" tab. This will get you the entire series.

We hope this information is helpful and wish you success in your research.

Sincerely,

Family History Research Support
familyhistory@support.familysearch.org

FCH/vla

http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/562769-1.html

Joseph,

Above is a link to a great article on one of your relatives that apparently inherited the Puentes Bros business now headquartered in Salem, Oregon. I tried to copy the article and send it to Ranchos, but you have to register for a password in order to read the entire article (four pages).

I didn't realize that the Don Pancho's brand (Puentes Brothers Inc.) is named after Francisco Puentes (your last surviving uncle?).

In the article, the executive VP, Ricardo Baez, says that the business expanded across Oregon and Washington as a growing number of Hispanics moved into the region because the cost of living is so much more affordable---than it is in other parts along the West Coast.

"A lot of Hispanics over the years have been priced out of the market in California," Baes says. "What they did was they sold their houses down there because they couldn't believe the quality of life up here". [That's what we did!]

The article states that the company is still run by Don Pancho's son George Puentes, the company president, with Phillip Puentes, VP of operations, Frank Puentes, warehouse manager, and Baez, their brother-in-law, heading up sales and marketing. The company has expanded into more than tortillas; they produce flavored wraps, low-carb wraps, low-fat wraps, gluten-free wraps, tortilla chips, un-fried tortilla chips, tostadas and taco shells. The company also mixes its own spices, produces its own custom tortilla mixes and sells imported Mexican cheeses, and can even provide chorizo. The business has diversified and expanded up to Canada, and west to Idaho, Montana, Utah, the Dakotas, and the Midwest. "Twenty-five years ago, it wasn't fashionable for grocery stores or food distributors to offer Mexican food items. Now it's the trendy thing to do." Also, the Salem, Oregon plant has been certified organic. [Way to go!] Production is now computerized around the clock in Sal
em, Salt
Lake City, and Yakima, and they have huge warehouses, silos, plants, truck bays, semis, and their own rail spurs for prompt delivery of fresh ingredients.

The rest of the article goes into a description of the production, which to me was interesting, since I love tortillas: flour and corn lines, fryers, mixers, dusters, proofers, presses, ovens, elevators, chutes, coolers, accumulators, sealers, bar coders, case packagers and metal detectors (all state-of-the art). Tortillas are produced at the rate of 3,500 an hour, and the plants have earned a superior rating from the American Institute of Baking, and have on-site full-scale quality assurance labs. As Mexicans we can be proud of what some of our own have accomplished.

See what your Dad and his brothers started, Joseph? By the way, is there still a Puentes Brothers store in San Jose, or has it all gone big business?

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --

When I stayed in a small town in Coahuila as a young teenager, this was the
highlight of pre-determined evenings. We would all dress up, head towards
the plaza with the elders and begin walking (in one direction), while the guys
walked in another direction. The elders sat in the peripherals of the plaza,
catching up on gossip, politics, while keeping a watchful eye on all of us.

The funny part of this tradition was I remember a really cute guy had
"ojitos" for me, and when we returned back home, I was excited, like every 15 year
old would be. But then, my aunts promptly told that he was a 2nd cousin -
and therefore it was totally unacceptable to give "ojitos" back. In reality,
everyone was related to me - so this tradition was not very productive for my
cousins....

I guess that is why there were "fiestas", to encourage other towns to visit
your town and to participate in these rituals and get the blood lines
somewhat mixed.....that is how many of my cousins all met their spouses.

Mexican women also immigated to China to marry Chinese men.
At least that was the story my mother told me. She said the prospective brides were led to believe they would live a certain way, but that many wound up as concubines, or worse.

Supposedly, average Mexicans raised millions of silver pesos to repatriate the women who arrived in Acapulco in ships with stories to tell.

Pancho Villa was notorious for his anti-Chinese fervor. I've heard he executed all Chinese in his territory.

When I was in Hong Kong and Macau I saw many Mexican pesos with "chop" marks. The Chinese, as well as Persians, Arabs and many other people in Asia and Africa used the peso as their currency.

They hammered into the coins chop marks, incised markings to indicate they were currency in their particular jurisdiction.

Around 1905 Mexico changed the legend on its coins to "Estados Unidos Mexicanos.," and switched to the current peso.

But people all over the world believed "Republica Mexicana" meant pure silver. So Mexico continued, still continues, to issue Ocho Reales silver coins labeled Republica Mexicana for export with the date 1898.

Many people use the silver Ocho Reales for body adornment. Necklaces of money, such as they wear in Burma, and Thailand. It's their form of savings.

I have just posted a picture of a church in the Albums/Ranchos y Ciudades/Nochistlan, Zacatecas section. I received this photo from a primo about a year ago and have since lost contact with him. Does anyone recognize this church, and/or know it's name. According to my primo this is where my great-grandparents, Victo Jauregui and Petra Huerta, were married in Nochistlan, Zac.

Olivia,
Rowland Heights, CA

Malaga, Spain, Tino and I vacationed there years ago, just down from
> Torremolinos. It's a beautiful area of Spain. I don't recall
> Benalmadena,
> nor the feria being mentioned. We were there August 1989.
> Thank you for sharing and rekindling both the good and the not so good
> times, what I often refer to as life's "emotional roller coaster."
>
> Pat
>

Pat and Nuestros Ranchos;

Here is the link to the Benalmadena calendar of events of Malaga España in case anyone is interested. http://www.andalucia.com/calendar/benalmadena.htm

It makes me want to hop on a plane to one of these festivals.

The month of June reminds me of la Fiesta de San Agustin in my pueblo of Tlachichila Zacatecas. During the two week celebration every night the singles in the town gather in the evenings around La Plaza. The females walk or strut around the courtyard in one direction to the tune of the music and the males march in the opposite direction also around the courtyard or plaza. The males come prepared with fresh flowers and when they see a female that particularly catches their eye they will hand her a flower as they pass, this is how she knows that he is interested in her. If at the next passing she is interested in him she will accept another flower, otherwise she will just pass him by. If he is very intersted and she does not respond and if he's persistent, he will begin to throw flowers in her direction. Mom and dad used to talk about this and I did not really believe it was still going on. Guess what? It is and it is a beautiful but provincial ritual or tradition.

Alicia

Barron certainly appears to be a common name in Mexico for some time so the England story is suspect.

Here are a couple of IGI listings that look somewhat interesting as far as Rosario's parents though neither is an exact match. I suppose Rosario died to early to be listed in the Social Security death index. Do you have any idea which border crossing he would have used to come to the U.S.?

HILARIO BARRON
Marriages:
Spouse: PRISCILIANA FERNANDEZ
Marriage: 16 OCT 1879
Nuestra Senora Del Refugio, Ciudad Victoria, Tamaulipas, Mexico
Husband Age at Marriage: 35
Wife Age at Marriage: 20
Batch M601749 Film 0639882

Sabas Barron
Parents:
Father: Feliciano Barron
Mother: Catalina Muños
Marriages:
Spouse: Priciliana Benavides
Marriage: 16 SEP 1883
Santa Maria La Redonda,Guerrero, , Distrito Federal, Mexico

Batch M619093 Film 0036169

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From: Pat Silva Corbera
Date: 2006/07/13 Thu AM 10:40:09 CDT
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Quic-Silver Mining Almanden / San Jose /Santa Clara Co CA.

My son-in-law's paternal maternal great-grandfather, Rosario Barron (Paura) worked the Quik Silver Mines in what was known as the Redwood Township Almaden Precinct of Santa Clara Co. CA. in the 1920s.

Rosario Barron b. abt 1884 Mexico, died bef 1930, son of (father's name not known to me) and mother Preciliana Paura b. abt 1860. Rosario married Macaria Perales Rodriquez, she b. 24 March 1889 Jesus, Zacatecas, Mexico daughter of Luis Perales and Victoriana Rodriquez. Verbal history has Rosario being born in England, and traveling to Mexico in the late 1800s. The 1920 Santa Clara Co. Federal Census indicates that he was born in Mexico, as were his parents.

1920 Santa Clara Co. CA Census, Sosario (Rosario) Barron head of household, Macaria wife; sons Marcello, Cipriano, Tomas, Manuel and daughter Natalia, also listed is Preciliana Paura (Rosario's widowed mother); Emilio Perales (Rosario's brother-in-law) and Victoriana Rodriquez (Rosario's widowed mother-in-law.)

On the 1930 Santa Clara Co. CA census Macaria is listed as a male/head of household, along with children Sipriano, Natalie, Thomas, Manuel, Albert, Alexandria and Emilio; and mother Victoria Perales. One can only assume that from 1920 to 1930 Rosario Barron and his mother Preciliana Paura had passed away.

Pat Silva Corbera

Long before I became interested in genealogy, I was aware of family lore
that there was a Chinese ancestor in my maternal family. In the 1980s I
determined to resolve the issue. As such, I visited the FHC in Yuma, AZ and
began my journey: the more microfilm I read, the more I ordered. Finally, I
found my gr gr grandfather's "diligencia matrimonial" in which he stated the
name of his parents, his age and place of birth. Based on the age of my gr
gr grandfather, I proceeded to order the appropriate baptismal and
matrimonial microfilms for Hermosillo, Sonora..

I soon found a matrimonial entry for Juan José Manuel Concepción and María
Leocádia Munguía in the Capilla of the Real Presidio de Pitic (now
Hermosillo, Sonora) on May 28, 1821. Interesting he stated he was born in
Macao, in the Chinese Empire and the name of the bride was that of my gr gr
gr grandmother. However, it was not until I found the baptismal entries of
his sons, that I realized my ancestor had changed his name to Juan Bon.

Now, I hope to find my Tisnado ancestor in the 1600s.

George

My son-in-law's paternal maternal great-grandfather, Rosario Barron (Paura) worked the Quik Silver Mines in what was known as the Redwood Township Almaden Precinct of Santa Clara Co. CA. in the 1920s.

Rosario Barron b. abt 1884 Mexico, died bef 1930, son of (father's name not known to me) and mother Preciliana Paura b. abt 1860. Rosario married Macaria Perales Rodriquez, she b. 24 March 1889 Jesus, Zacatecas, Mexico daughter of Luis Perales and Victoriana Rodriquez. Verbal history has Rosario being born in England, and traveling to Mexico in the late 1800s. The 1920 Santa Clara Co. Federal Census indicates that he was born in Mexico, as were his parents.

1920 Santa Clara Co. CA Census, Sosario (Rosario) Barron head of household, Macaria wife; sons Marcello, Cipriano, Tomas, Manuel and daughter Natalia, also listed is Preciliana Paura (Rosario's widowed mother); Emilio Perales (Rosario's brother-in-law) and Victoriana Rodriquez (Rosario's widowed mother-in-law.)

On the 1930 Santa Clara Co. CA census Macaria is listed as a male/head of household, along with children Sipriano, Natalie, Thomas, Manuel, Albert, Alexandria and Emilio; and mother Victoria Perales. One can only assume that from 1920 to 1930 Rosario Barron and his mother Preciliana Paura had passed away.

Pat Silva Corbera

What a small world, My parents owned the Warburton's Tamales and Enchilada Shop in Santa Clara and bought about 500 tortillas weekly from Puentes Bros. They used to make their own tortillas while the shop was in Santa Clara, but when they bought a restaurant in Mountain View, they took to buying their tortillas from Puentes Bros. That would have been the mid 50s. I just talked to my Mom and she remembers either your Mother or Aunt's birthday being on St. Patrick's Day. My brother took over the Tamale business in the early 80's and I am not sure where he was buying the tortillas then. Warburton's is now closed but my twin and I still get together and make the tamales and enchiladas. To celebrate the business's 100th anniversary, in 2004, Mom gave out the recipe to all our cousins. My parents were Bud and Aileen Chiono in case your family remembers them.

Kitty Chiono Cortez
Rocklin, CA

A couple of people have asked me about Indian kidnappings, and life on the unsettled frontier in general.

Of course, I don't mean to demonize the Indians who were only protecting their families, homes, and land. But the story is almost always told from the European perspective.

I came across these notes in my Romo Famiy files that I had forgotten about. They are oral traditions written down as best remembered.

Isidoro was the grandson of Isidoro Palos, who family history claims came from Palos, Spain circa 1820 as a student. Isidoro the first was involved in student unrest (participated in the Mexican revolution against Spain), and was jailed. Legend has it that he was in leg irons and only escaped when an Indian woman smuggled a knife in, and he cut off his own heel.

Mama Tencha says that Isidoro's dad's family (Blas), raised a young man who was Mexican but had been taken by Indians when the boy was a very young boy. This young man later returned to civilization and taught Isidoro many things about plants and wild life, having learned these things from the Indians. Isidoro used to tell Mama that when he was a boy, his young man took him to the forest or wilderness and proceeded to make Isidoro first smell a plant that caused a severe nosebleed, and then making him smell another plant that stopped the bleeding instantly.

Isidoro used to tell Mom stories about his youth, when they would bring cotton to the gins in San Antonio, Tx from Mexico. At that time, they still had to come in wagon trains because of Indian attacks.

Note: I assume they are refering to Apaches in Coahuila.

Not a real big deal now but lets try to keep the messages on the right
lists:

for things directly related to research use: research@nuestrosranchos.org

for things of a general nature use: general@nuestrosranchos.org

for things that are announcements use: announce@nuestrosranchos.org

like I said it is not a big deal just a very gentle reminder to lets try
to keep the messages going to the right list.

thanks,

joseph

ps: while I'm at it. Have you all gone in and updated your profiles? If
not log in and go to "My Account" and then the "Edit" tab and completely
as possible (please don't skimp) update your "Personal Information" and
"Research" information. Also while you are there you can change from
individual emails to digest if the list is becomeing to much for your
inbox OR if you really want you can change to "no mail" and not receive
the mail to your inbox at all but will have to read the emails online at
http://nuestrosranchos.org

I have just posted a picture of a church in the Albums/Ranchos y Ciudades/Nochistlan, Zacatecas section. I received this photo from a primo about a year ago and have since lost contact with him. Does anyone recognize this church, and/or know it's name. According to my primo this is where my great-grandparents, Victo Jauregui and Petra Huerta, were married in Nochistlan, Zac.

Olivia,
Rowland Heights, CA

http://genealogy.about.com/od/publishing/a/printing.htm

Joseph,

I had been meaning to ask you about that picture of the men in front of the "Puentes Bros" store.

My husband and I were brought from the Southwest to San Jose as children right after WWII (he from El Paso, age 12, and me from New Mexico's Mesilla Valley, age 8). We lived there, went to school (St. Joseph's, Washington Elementary, Wilson Jr. High, SJ High, SJCC, SJSU), worked there, and retired there before moving up to the Northwest in 1996. Our families in San Jose always bought the corn tortillas at Puentes Bros. since Safeway didn't sell any Mexican products, and I remember my mother would pick up the masa, chiles, etc. for tamales there too.

What a small world. There are several in the group that grew up in what is now called "Silicon Valley". It was so beautiful there after the War, all Victorian houses, Craftsman houses, Spanish style houses, only about 50,000 population, all palm trees and blossoming orchards, the smell from the trees and the canneries that packed the fruits, etc. My folks last lived at 409 N. 18th Street, corner of Washington, I think.

I also lost a fingertip (middle) when I was a child of five in New Mexico. It got lopped off when a heavy wooden door I was going through slammed shut suddenly behind me while I was still holding onto its edge. My aunt later found the finger tip. I will have to ask her what she did with it. (She's 92 now). I remember I was in such pain for weeks that my whole left side was paralyzed, and I had to wear a sling to hold my arm up later. It took so long to heal; all they did was bandage it with gauze. OOOh. That finger is more than a quarter inch shorter than the corresponding one on the right hand.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

There have been quite a few new members that have joined the list since
we moved to the new site.

If you haven't had a chance yet please do introduce your self on the
Research list: research@nuestrosranchos.org

Make sure to give us the Surnames in the specific areas within our
Target area of research that you are researching. If you have any
questions or want to make comments please feel free to do so on whatever
list would be appropriate:

(for General topics)
general@nuestrosranchos.org

(for Announcements)
announce@nuestrosranchos.org

(for Research topics)
research@nuestrosranchos.org

thanks,
joseph

ps: I sent this "Announcement" message to the Research List because I think Introductions should be sent to the Research list since they specifically will include
Surnames and areas of Research. Don't be intimidated if you can't figure out which list to mail your comments to. There won't be a "proper forum" officer ready
to pounce on you if you post to the wrong list. For those that want to help redirect messages to an appropriate list just change the address sent to the group before
clicking on "reply."

I've run across a surname that does not comply with the traditional Mexican progression of surnames. In other words, the name of the person is not followed by the surname of the father, then the surname of the mother.

Instead, the name of the child is followed by the entire name, first name and surname, of the father.

The surname is Marcelo, also spelled Marselo.

The person in my tree is Salvador Marselo. Or Salvdr. Marcelo. Born around 1793.

I think Marcelino could be a variant of this surname.

I examined a wide range of Marcelos in familysearch, and this pattern holds up across Mexico, and across the centuries.

For instance, Maria, daughter of Juan Marcelo and Maria Gonzales, would be Maria Juan Marcelo.

And even more oddly, Juan, son of Marcos Marcelo and Juanita Verdugo, would be named Juan Marcos Marcelo.

This seems to run contrary to all other nomenclature.

The surname sounds of French, or possibly Italian origin to me. I don't know if that would have any bearing, or if other surnames might use this construction.

It certainly complicates searches.

It could be a holdover from a previous system of naming children.

if you saw a little boy running around the store sometimes then it might
have been me. Then again it could easily have been one of my many
cousins. You never know but you and I might have met or as little kids
looked at each other way long ago.

Joseph,

Who knows, maybe all 3 children played together, YOU, Me and John Gonzales at Puentes Brothers store and tortilla factory. John Gonzales lived by Alum Rock, you lived in the middle on 18th street and I lived on the other side in what is called the Burbank district, close to highway 17 and 280. I went to Del Mar High School of the Campbell high school district. John went to James Lick and I don't know what school you went to. Maybe Karma or our ancestors brought us together.

Sorry to hear that you lost part of your finger but since it did happen you will always have that story to recount. Thanks for sharing your photos and stories, goes to show we are more than just names, we are people with family histories and a lifetime of memories that are waiting to be told.

Alicia

Arturo,

I just noticed that Linda's messages regarding her new DNA test results
aren't listed in the Ranchos website.

Previously I also noted that one of my posts apparently was truncated on the
way from my email client to the Ranchos website.

Just wanted to bring this to your attention so you can check if there's
something wrong and if there are any other instances where this is
happening.

Saludos,

Victor

"Mongolian blue spots are common among darker-skinned races, such as
Asian, East Indian, and African. They are flat, pigmented lesions with
unclear borders and irregular shape. They appear commonly at the base
of the spine, on the buttocks and back. They may also can appear as
high as the shoulders and elsewhere. Mongolian spots are benign skin
markings and are not associated with any conditions or illnesses."
[p://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001472.htm]

http://blip.tv/file/15484

this one is full of relatives from Jalisco, Zacatecas and Chihuahua

joseph

ps: you'll have to have Windows Media Player to view. . .sorry Mac folks,

but if you have QuickTime you can try this: http://blip.tv/file/15482,
but when I checked it the audio wasn't working and the picture was
incredibly small.

Linda with DNA the geographical areas are easier to cross and still make connections. A great
database has already been set up and it would be good to make your contributions there on
Gary Felix' site.

See: The Genealogy of Mexico
http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm

For genealogical purposes "I Think" that the main use of DNA is to compare your Y-DNA with others
that have the same last name to see if they compare. Others that are more fluent on DNA results can
more likely give a better explanation.

joseph

-------- Original Message -------- DNA
Date:Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:34:42 -0500
From: Linda R Romero
Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

Will "Ranchos" set up a place in its files for us to upload and
compare our DNA results? It may be helpful for us to be able to
compare our DNA with one another. It's another dimension of
research that compliments the gedcoms already in
the files.LindaROMERO Y-DNA Surname Group Co-Administrator
http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/r/romero/
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/romero

In reference to Chinese immigrants in Mexico prior to 1650... one of the most Mexican of traditions originates with an Asian immigrant...

http://www.houstonculture.org/mexico/lachina.html

ASIAN INFLUENCE IN MEXICO STEMS FROM SEVENTEENTH CENTURY
By Mark D. Lacy

La China Poblana has a special place in the hearts of Mexican people who revere Puebla, ranking just below Mexico's freedom and above delicious food as a symbol of Puebla's proud history. Puebla is know to the world as the city where Mexico defeated the French on May 5, 1862 to eventually win its second independence. For Mexican people, Puebla is known as a great place to enjoy delicious varieties of mole poblano (sauces made with chocolate and spices usually poured over chicken) and chiles enogada, (poblano peppers that are covered with red and white sauces to resemble the flag of Mexico).

But for people all over Mexico and audiences throughout the world, the tradition of La China Poblana is seen on the brightly embroidered ballet folklorico dress style from Puebla, thought to be Chinese in its influence.

La China Poblana, an Asian woman who lived in Puebla, came to Mexico in 1620 as a servant and left her mark on the traditions of the Spanish colonial region with her clothing.

The girl who came to Mexico in the early seventeenth century was probably sold into servitude by traders in the port of Acapulco. She is believed to have been captured by South Seas pirates when she was nine. Evidence indicates she was named Mirrha and came from India, through Spanish controlled ports in the Philippines.

Mirrha (La China Poblana) is believed to have been bought by Miguel de Sosa, who baptized the eleven-year-old "Chinese girl" and gave her the Christian name Catarina de San Juan. After Sosa and his wife died, Catarina married Domingo Suárez, the Chinese servant of a local priest, adding to the legend that she was Chinese.

The dress style now known as China Poblana, a white blouse and colorful embroidered red and green shirt, has evolved to include the national symbols of Mexico - an eagle clutching a snake, and prickly pair cactus. A woman who wears the dress usually braids her hair on two sides, tied with red, white and green ribbons.

Some Mexican people attribute the style to the indigenous people of the region, believing they wore a dress style that resembled a Chinese dress, while most others believe the style developed from the "Chinese girl" who was a servant in Puebla. They say it is widely known and handed down through local tradition that the people admired the girl, La China Poblana, for her generosity and exotic beauty, and they honored her by wearing her dress style.

Catarina de San Juan (1609-1688) is believed buried at he Templo de la Compañia. The Museo Casa del Alfeñique exhibits China Poblana costumes and a local restaurant is named Las Chinas de Puebla. There is also a monument to La China Poblana at the intersection of Boulevard Heroes del 5 de Mayo and Avenida Defensores de La Republica.

HI,

I am a new member to Nuestros Ranchos and already I made contact with a distant Tisnado relative. Based on the IGI found in www.FamilySearch.com, migration and settlement patterns, I am searching for the Tisnado ancestor who migrated from Jalisco to Sonora.

To date, the earliest Sonora record I have found is the marriage of Jose Domingo Tisnado and Ma(g)dalena Contreras on August 28, 1736.

Surnames I am searching: Tisnado, Lisarraga, Monreal, Tapia, Sesma and ,of course, Martinez.

Thanks for your consideration.