Nuestros Ranchos Site

Aquí le va mi estimado Raul:

Groom's Name: Juan Josef Hurtado
Bride's Name: Maria Thimothea Gonzalez Ruvio
Marriage Date: 14 Feb 1778
Marriage Place: Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion,Jalostotitlan,Jalisco,Mexico
Groom's Father's Name: Josef Antonio Hurtado
Groom's Mother's Name: Maria Vazquez De Lara
Bride's Father's Name: Pedro Gonzalez Ruvio
Bride's Mother's Name: Maria Gertrudis Gutierrez
Source Film Number: 279297

Hola Salvador.....aùn tienes o ya lo publicaste, sobre los pasajeros q salieron de España????? me podrias orientar para poder revisar dicha lista????
Agradezco mucho...saludos Amanda (matusalem)

Suena interesante, podrias compartirlo mandandolo por email o decirnos como
conseguirlo.

gracias

In a message dated 7/11/2009 8:47:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
cabval@gmail.com writes:

tengo literatura sobre pasajeros a indias en pdf con casi 600 paginas ,
trae indice de nombres de personas que llegaro en el siglo XVI y XVII de
españa y ademas notas

Adrián Márquez Padilla

Espero estar en lo correcto y sea lo que buscas

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JZFC-QYV

En family search encontraras la fecha del matrimonio de Juan Jose Hurtado Y María Timotea Gonzalez, en ella indican los nombres de los padres de Juan Jose que fueron Jose Antonio Hurtado y María Vasquez de Lara, y los padres de Maria Timotea fueron Pedro Gonzalez Rubio y Maria Gertrudis Gutierrez, la fecha del matrimonio fue 14 Feb 1778 en Nuestra Senora De La Asuncion,​Jalostotitlan

El acta de matrimonio la encontraras aqui
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18447-24634-49?cc=1874591&wc…

Saludos..

Saludos Enrique,

Sé cómo te sientes. También tengo antepasados ​​cuyos nacimientos no puedo confirmar, estos (en mi caso) normalmente son del siglo XVIII.

Pero mi antepasado Doroteo Montaño (nacido en 1835), quien durante toda su vida usó el apellido "Montaño", fue bautizado con el nombre de Doroteo Quintero hijo natural de Victoriana Quintero y de padre no conocido. Así es como, cuando yo estaba investigando su bautismo, no lo pude encontrar.

Sin embargo, cuando se casó en 1862 con Eduarda Sandoval de Zacatecas, utilizó por primera vez el apellido Montaño y más tarde declaró que su padre era Patricio Montaño y su madre era Victoria Quintero, en los bautismos de sus hijos.

Patricio, su padre, era el esposo de María Nieves Zárate, con quien tuvo sus otros hijos (legítimos). Patricio nunca reconoció a su hijo Doroteo, y puede ser que Victoriana decidió darle su apellido a su hijo, pero cuando creció Doroteo le dijo el nombre y apellido de su padre.

Tengo otro antepasado, Gerardo Tapia, quien era hijo de José Antonio Plácido Rodríguez y María Mauricia Tapia, pero que siempre fue conocido como Gerardo Tapia en lugar de Gerardo Rodríguez e incluso en un momento no reveló el nombre de su padre en el bautismo de su hijo Severiano. Nunca he encontrado el bautismo Gerardo!

Sin embargo, buena suerte con los bautismos perdidos que no has encontrado todavía.

Valente Quintero C.

Laurel,

It may be very likely that you descend from the Oredain family of Guadalajara. They were very well established in the 17th and 18th centuries in Nueva Galicia and Mexico City. Countless of research reports and a couple of books are dedicated to this family. I am related to them through the Fernandez de Hijar. Let us know if you find any other info.

Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino

Abram,

Since my ancestor Cristóbal Pérez López was married 19 December 1577 he
couldn't have been born after 12 Oct 1586. Therefore, the marriage you are
looking for is for a couple that aren't the parents of Cristóbal Pérez
López. These are common last names and documents from that era in Spain are
extremely hard to find so it isn't very likely you will be getting any
farther on that line unless you go to Spain to look up the documents in
person as others have done for other families. You energy is better spent
researching other ancestors until you are old enough to go there yourself.

Armando

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 7:52 PM, wrote:

> I can't find the city of Valladold Spain in Family Search.com
>
> this is the marriage record im looking for
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.1.1/F5Q2-KLH
>

It's Ysidro Muños and Maria Magdalena Bermejo and Ana Maria Soria.

Alicia,
San Jose, ca

________________________________
From: "aflore2855@gmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 7:40 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Need help in reading this document please help.

I cant quite figure out what the last name of Cenon's Grandmothers from both sides all i can read is Maria Magdelena.....???and for the other grandmother Ana maria...??? please help.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15092-1073-99?cc=1410092&wc=…

Jose Cenon Munoz Duran is the one being baptized his parents are Jose Antonio Munoz and Rosalia Duran

Estimada Sra,

Estoy interesado en adquir la coleccion, vivo en los EE.UU. No se si podia ayudarme en adquirlo. Por favor dejame saber si hay alguien que podia enviarle dinero y me los envie. Gracias.

Atte.
Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino

a que libros te refieres?
son los nuevos libros o la coleccion pasada?

2012/3/27

> gracias a la ayuda doy informacion certera de que en el edificio de fondo
> y cultura están a la venta la coleccion que buscaba para las personas que
> tambien esten interesadas la direccion seria; prolongacion alcalde 1855 y
> el telefono es el 38192476 con las srita. valentina. esto es en
> guadalajara, jalisco mexico.
>
> me encuentro muy entusiasmada por tenerlos en mis manos.

Hey Roxanne,

El rancho Los Ocotes se encuentra a unos kilometros al noreste de San
Miguel. Ya casi nadie vive allí. Yo tengo lo que buscas, escríbeme prima!

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Roxanne Ocampo
wrote:

> Hola!
>
> I have been searching for my GUTIERREZ family for months with no luck.
> Last night (by phone) a relative read me the following contents from a
> birth record. I'm hoping one of our members may have a lead on this
> location or these ancestors?
>
> Born Miguel Avalos GUTIERREZ, 8 May 1904, vecino del Rancho de Ocotes, San
> Miguel el Alto.
> Hijo de Maria M. Espectacion Avalos y Mariano Gutierrez.
> Abuelos paternos Sipriano Gutierrez y Andrea Rodriguez. Abuelos Maternos
> Ramon Avalos y Jacinta Pacencia.
> Testigos (casados y de edad de este domicilio) Tomas Vasquez y Antonia
> Ramirez
>
> This is my grandfather's brother.
>
> With the above information I found a possible link to these grandparents:
>
> Ramon Avelar (possibly Ramon Avalos) y Jacinta Pacencia
> Married 3 Feb 1864
> San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco
>
> If anyone can help me out with any information, I would truly appreciate
> it!
>
> Mil gracias, Roxanne Gutierrez (Ocampo)
>
>

Dear Roxanne:
I did not see the marriage listed, but I might have missed it. It is batched on the familysearch.org site. Here is the marriage of Jacinta Placencia and Ramon Avelar:

Feb 3 1864 San Miguel El Alto
LDS batch M603303
Film # 0279453
Marriages 1852-1870

You may want to order the film as they often have both sets of parents listed, where they were from, whether they were alive or not at the time of the wedding and sometimes occupations.

I have worked a lot with these records and Placencia is sometimes spelling Plasencia, Placensia, etc. "C's" and S's" are often interchangeable.

Maureen

Additional information on some of your ancestors; you might want to look at the originals since they often have additional information:

Name: Maria Espectacion Avalos
Gender: Female
Christening date: 21 Dec 1884
Christening place: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthdate:
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color (expanded):
Father's name: Ramon Avalos
Father's birthplace:
Father's age:
Mother's name: Jacinta Placencia
Mother's birthplace:
Mother's age:
Paternal grandfather's name:
Paternal grandmother's name:
Maternal grandfather's name:
Maternal grandmother's name:
Batch number: I03657-3
Date range:
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 279433
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Ysidro Gutierrez
Gender: Male
Christening date: 18 May 1888
Christening place: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthdate:
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color (expanded):
Father's name: Cipriano Gutierrez
Father's birthplace:
Father's age:
Mother's name: Andrea Rodriguez
Mother's birthplace:
Mother's age:
Paternal grandfather's name:
Paternal grandmother's name:
Maternal grandfather's name:
Maternal grandmother's name:
Batch number: I03657-6
Date range:
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 279433
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Atanasio Gutierres
Gender: Male
Christening date: 04 May 1880
Christening place: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthdate:
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color (expanded):
Father's name: Sipriano Gutierres
Father's birthplace:
Father's age:
Mother's name: Andrea Rodrigues
Mother's birthplace:
Mother's age:
Paternal grandfather's name:
Paternal grandmother's name:
Maternal grandfather's name:
Maternal grandmother's name:
Batch number: I06911-0
Date range:
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 279431
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Sixto Gutierres
Gender: Male
Christening date: 07 Aug 1885
Christening place: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthdate:
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color (expanded):
Father's name: Sipriano Gutierres
Father's birthplace:
Father's age:
Mother's name: Andrea Rodrigues
Mother's birthplace:
Mother's age:
Paternal grandfather's name:
Paternal grandmother's name:
Maternal grandfather's name:
Maternal grandmother's name:
Batch number: I03657-4
Date range:
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 279433
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Antonio Gutierrez
Gender: Male
Christening date: 14 Jun 1881
Christening place: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthdate:
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color (expanded):
Father's name: Sipriano Gutierres
Father's birthplace:
Father's age:
Mother's name: Andrea Rodrigues
Mother's birthplace:
Mother's age:
Paternal grandfather's name:
Paternal grandmother's name:
Maternal grandfather's name:
Maternal grandmother's name:
Batch number: I06911-1
Date range:
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 279431
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Martin Gutierres
Gender: Male
Christening date: 30 Jan 1879
Christening place: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Birthdate:
Birthplace:
Death date:
Name note:
Race or color (expanded):
Father's name: Sipreano Gutierres
Father's birthplace:
Father's age:
Mother's name: Andrea Rodrigues
Mother's birthplace:
Mother's age:
Paternal grandfather's name:
Paternal grandmother's name:
Maternal grandfather's name:
Maternal grandmother's name:
Batch number: I06911-0
Date range:
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 279431
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Hello there everyone ,

I met a young couple from Concepcion de Oro , Zacatecas yesterday and we talked a bit about genealogy and I told them that I have seen several folks in this group that have mentioned this town . SOOOO , if there is anyone in this group that would like to see if they can make contact with people of this town let me know .

Take care,

Welester G. Alvarado

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Youll find all the altenos are related! Our families and ancestors intrmarried far beyond and worse then the royalty of Europe.

-Daniel

_________________________________________________________________

Dear Roxanne:
It looks as if Daniel has helped you beyond repair. I had not seen his post and was just looking up the same information. I found Guadalupe and Anastacio on familysearch also. Just wanted to let you know that the Florentino Placencia Gutierres 1828 baptism, where one of my Ledesma's was a sponsor, had the following information, so I do not think it is linked to yours yet, but if you ever need this one, let me know and I will scan it:

Parents of Florentino:
Eleuterio Placencia and Mataria Gutierres
Paternos: Martin Placencia and Juana Baldivia
Maternos: Pedro Gutierres and Maria Morillo (sp?)
Padrinos: Crisanto Alvardo and Dolores Ledsma
Rancho Moya

Reference LDS 0279425
Baptisms 1821-1832 San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco, MX
Batch C603294

Dear Roxanne:
I started to recognize the names right away. Sadly do not have any of the records, but I can tell you the Gutierres family married into my Ledesma family. One son of Juana Maria Ledesma Cervantes married to Luis Gutierres born in 1830, his name Jose De La Asuncion, and he was born Rancho de Ocotes. A little earlier date than you are needing.

I can help in your search a bit. You may try looking for alternative spellings. I have some Avalos family member with the spelling Abalos and Pacencia is likely Placensia or Placencia. Vasquez can often be found as Vasques. I had a Ledesma sponsor to a Florentino Placencia Gutierres b. 10/15/1828 Rancho Moya. I have to look to see if I have the record and who Florentino's parent's were. Sometimes I just jotted down the information rather than copying the record who my people were just sponsor's of other's baptisms.

If you find other parts of the family, check back with me and I might be able to help with some records.

Maureen Bejar

Hi Roxanne! Well Ocotes is a very old ranch in San Miguel. San Miguel el Alto is part of the

Los Altos family region. Gutierrez is a very old Spanish colonial last name around these

parts. May include Gutierrez de HErmosillo, Gutierrez de Laris, Gutierrez de Mendoza etc.

I found a son of Cipriano and Andrea, the marriage of Cipriano 9If you dont have alread)

I also dont think the last name was Avelar, never heard of that name in Los Altos. I found

several children too. (The records are below that I found, maybe you have them) Well your

next step is to order the marriage film for Ramon Avalos and Jacinta Plascencia. I think getting

out of the 1800s is the hardest part, bear in mind once you do (and you should be able to)

you are going to learn SO MUCH! I know I have, Im still well rounded from 1500s to 1700s.

Be careful, Altenos do not tend to stay around, they kept moving all around the region which

socially extends into Jalisco, Zacatecas, aguascalientes, Guanjuato, Michoacan, and San Luis Potosi

but politically its just Jalisco. Well I hope Ive helped you in a way. You can always email

me, Ive studided Los Altos genealogy for 5 years now. -Daniel Camino

mendezdelcamino@live.com

IGI Individual Record
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VICTOR GUTIERRES RODRIGUES
Pedigree

Male

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

07 MAR 1873
San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
SIPRIANO GUTIERRES
Family

Mother:
ANDREA RODRIGUES

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

No source document or additional information exists.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

C603299
1870 - 1875
0279430
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

if you dont have this marriage already here it is

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SIPRIANO GUTIERRES
Pedigree

Male

Family

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

Death:

Burial:

Marriages:

Spouse:
ANDREA RODRIGUES
Family

Marriage:

17 APR 1872
San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico

Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

M603304
1870 - 1885
0279454
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

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MARIA SANJUANA AVALOS PLANCENCIA
Pedigree

Female

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

21 MAY 1866
San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
RAMON AVALOS
Family

Mother:
JACINTA PLANCENCIA

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

K603298
1862 - 1870
0279429
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

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GUADALUPE AVALOS PLACENCIA
Pedigree

Male

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

13 DEC 1864
San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
RAMON AVALOS
Family

Mother:
JACINTA PLACENCIA

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

J603298
1862 - 1870
0279429
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

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ANASTACIO AVALOS PLACENCIA
Pedigree

Male

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

25 JAN 1874
San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
RAMON AVALOS
Family

Mother:
JASINTA PLACENCIA

Messages:

Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

No source document or additional information exists.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

C603299
1870 - 1875
0279430
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

>

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Hi Chris, Does all your family live in the valley? We decend from Felicidad Villarreal. She married Pedro Esparza. They settled the San Pedro Carricitos land grant about 1824. Felicidad had a brother Placido that married into the Trevino family ( Petra T.) Any connections here?

One of our members married Fernando Perez. THis line of Perez was in the bakery business.
Also have in our tree Chapa, Cavazos, Solis, Garcia, Pineda, Trevino and so many more.

I am sure we connect. Please send us your family data from way back so we can try to make these connections. Most of us use Family Tree Maker....and we will give you plenty of notice when the genealogy group meets again..... Phyls

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Pineda
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 12:19 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Breakthrough on my Pineda/Pinedo research

For years, I couldn't find much information about my Pineda/o line. My grandfather's father died when he was young and he did not know much about his father (Nicanor Pinedo) except that he was from Tlaltenango, Zac. For years, I've been stuck -- until today!

Here's what I found today -- and if anyone else has these individuals in their family tree, please let me know! The records I'm finding are from Monte Escobedo and Mesquital del Oro, Zac.

Generation No. 1
Bartolo Pinedo m. Maria Gonzales
Place/date: unknown
Son: Gregorio Pinedo

Generation No. 2
Gregorio Pinedo m. Agustina de Ulloa, daughter of Crisanto Ulloa and Juana Sanchez (or Contreras)
Place/date: Monte Escobedo, Zac, 28 April 1834
Son: Pedro Pinedo

Generation No. 3
Pedro Pinedo m. (1) Pioquinta Cardoza, daughter of Santiago Cardoza and Venita Elias. She died in Mesquita del Oro, Zac (March 1886)
Marriage place/date: unknown
Son: Nicanor Pinedo (my great-grandfather)

Pedro Pinedo m. (2) Rita Ruvalcaba, daughter of Marco Ruvalcaba and ______ Orozco.
Marriage place/date: Mesquita del Oro, Zac, 17 Sep 1886
Note: the informacion matrimonial states that Pedro Pinedo's first wife was Pioquinta Cardoza, and that she died in March 1886. This record also states that Pedro Pinedo was originally from Zacatecas, I believe.

Generation No. 4
Nicanor Pinedo m. (1) Antonia Minjares, daughter of Felipe Minjares and Natividad Godoy.
Marriage place/date: Tlaltenango, Zac, 21 Feb 1903
They had no children, so far as I know.

Nicanor Pinedo m. (2) Emilia Gonzalez, daughter of Juan Gonzalez and Dolores Arteaga
Marriage place/date: Tlaltenango, Zac, 4 June 1914
Children: Jesus Maria Pineda (my grandfather) and Emilia Pineda

I hope this may be enough information to make some further connections with others on this listserve!

Chris Pineda

Adrián Márquez Padilla

Esta seria mi interpretacion del manuscrito, ya que el mismo se encuentra en muy mal estado, espero te sea de utilidad...

Velados
Cristobal de Villalobos
Y Maria Perez

En diez y nueve de octubre de mil quinientos noventa y cuatro años yo el bachiller Joan Ugarte habiendo y hechas las amonestaciones y demas diligencias y con mandamiento del provisor y no constando de ningun impedimento, despose y di las bendiciones nupciales en esta iglesia a Cristobal de Villalobos vecino de esta ciudad y natural de la villa de Maria de …… en los reynos de Castilla hijo de Mateo …. Y de Bernandina San Clares con ¿?.... natural de esta ciudad hija de Cristobal ….y Madalena siendo testigos Diego Muñoz ………baracin y Francisco Blanco y Andres ……

Saludos

Se me olvidaba decir lo siguiente:

Juan de la Torre, era natural de la Villa de Palma, en Córdoba, España, hijo de Rodrigo Alonso y Francisca de la Torre, pasó a la Nueva España aprox. en 1532, junto con dos hermanas que fueron casadas, Leonor de la Torre y otra que no se el nombre.

Casó con Polonia de Gamboa, con quien tuvo por hijos a Alonso de la Torre, María de la Torre mujer de Fernando Zarfate, y Hernando de Gamboa.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: ferraristeph@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:17:29 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Polonia Torres Y Nicolas Ramirez -15th century
>
> Hello-
>
> I have beenr researching these ancestors and know that many of us from Aguascalientes come from them. It seems that no one has any info on them besides an IGI File (posted below). Does anyone have this file in their records? I just wanted to ask before I ordered it. Also I think that there may be some possibility that Polonia Torres is the Daughter of Polonia Gamboa and Juan de La Torre from Colima Mexico.
>
>
> but would like to locate the birth record of Polonia, or marriage record of her to Nicolas Ramirez or the marriage record of one of her children, Agueda Torres, apolonia torres,. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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>
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> POLONIA TORRES Pedigree
> Female Family
>
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> Event(s):
> Birth: About 1569 Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
>
> Christening:
> Death:
> Burial:
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> Marriages:
> Spouse: NICOLAS RAMIREZ Family
> Marriage: 1590
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> Messages:
> Family group record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record includes the submitter's name and address and names and relationships of family members. The address may be outdated. Some information is estimated. To find the record on the film, you must know the batch and sheet number.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Source Information:
> Batch Number: F867345
> Sheet: 002
> Source Call No.: 1553960 Type: Film
>
>

Yo tengo noticia de un hijo de Juan de la Torre y Polonia Gamboa, llamado Alonso de la Torre. ´

También me gustaría saber quienes son los padres de Nicolás Ramírez y Polonia de Torres, pues también son mis ancestros y de mucho mas personas de los Altos de Jalisco.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

_________________________________________________________________
Feliz aniversario Messenger!
www.aniversariomessenger.com.mx

Ronnie:

This is what Mariano Gonzalez Leal said in "Retoños de España ...". According to his hypothesis Alonso / Nicolas and Leonor / Maria are the same people mentioned with indistinct names on "Dispensas" that other researchers in the past consulted (Jaime Holcombe, Davila Garibi). However, in the same chapter (Valadez Macias) there are at least two or three errors.

_____
Ronnie:

Es lo que Mariano Gonzalez Leal dice en "Retoños de España ...". Segun su hipotesis Alonso/Nicolas y Leonor/Maria son las mismas personas mencionadas con indistintos nombres en "dispensas" que otros investigadores en el pasado consultado (Jaime Holcombe, Davila Garibi). Sin embargo en el mismo capitulo (Macias Valadez) hay al menos dos o tres errores.

Miguel Beltran

Hi Stanley:

The Oñate expedition sounds familiar to me because many of my ancestors took part or were related to it.

Firstly, Juan de Oñate is my far uncle because his father Cristóbal de Oñate was the brother of my ancestor María Pérez de Oñate who was married to Rodrigo Díaz de Zaldívar. Also Juan de Oñate's mother is my ancestor too but I descend from her first marriage to Ruy Díaz de Mendoza y Arellano del Río of a very illustrious family, then she married to Cristóbal de Oñate.

Another of my ancestors, Juan Guerra de Ressa, although he didn't took part in the expediton he was the main economic financier of it.

Two other ancestors where actively in the expediton, their names where Alonso de Sosa Albornoz and Vicente de Zaldívar. Also an uncle, Juan de Velasco y Zúñiga son of my ancestors Alonso de Velasco and Juana Bernal de Zúñiga y Guzmán was an important character in that journey.

The site that Paul gave to you is perfect. It's very well detailed, I think it will help you a lot. Here's the exact link to the Oñate expedition: http://garyfelix.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index5E.htm

Enrique Agraz

Good Afternoon, Stanley,

My wife is a direct descendent of Bartoleme Romero, who was one of the men of the 1598 Onate party. He was from Corral de Almaguer, a small town near Toledo, Spain.

Have you gone to Gary Felix's web site? It is garyfelix.tripod.com. You will find there a list of the men who accompanied Onate

Best wishes on your research.

Paul J. Gomez
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
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On Apr 8, 2012, at 12:43 AM, stanley.lucero@comcast.net wrote:

> What microfilms and other records do I need to research to find more information about the families that traveled to New Mexico from Zacatecasanief around 1598?
> I have the book "New Mexico's First Colonists. The 1597-1600 Enlistments for New Mexico under Juan de Onate, Adelante & Gobernador" by David H. Snow.
> I hope to find baptism, marriage and death records. What are the names of the towns and settlements in Zacatecas where the people lived?

Victor M Gomez

BEATRIZ ENRIQUEZ DEL CASTILLO HIJA DE JOSEPH ENRIQUEZ DEL CASTILLO Y DE ANA TAVERA O DE LA TORRE, (1677) CASO EN 1696 CON EL CAPITAN DON PEDRO LOZANO Y GUTIERREZ DE MENDOZA, HIJO DE JOSE LOZANO Y GONZALEZ DE RUBALCAVA Y DE JOSEFA GUTIERREZ DE MENDOZA Y CAMACHO RIQUELME. LUGARDA ES HERMANA DE BEATRIZ NACIO EN 1692 Y CASO EN 1713 CON JOSE LOZANO TAMBIEN HERMANO DE PEDRO.

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INVITATION
Descendants of the Pioneer families in the Brownsville area are having an special meeting to meet, form and establish a local Brownsville Historic Museum Genealogy Guild in the
Brownsville area for all folks interested in genealogy and those doing ancestral
research and those tracing their family roots. Meeting will take place at 10:00 a.m.
Saturday, March 31, 2012 at the Brownsville Historic Museum
641 E. Madison
Brownsville, Texas 78520.

Please spread the word about this genealogy meeting....on Saturday, March 31st. Come and learn about your family ancestors, about the Escandon settlements, how to do your family tree on the computer, as we strive to set up this very interesting meeting!
Bring your family sheets or whatever other family or historical documents you may have.
This is a wonderful hobby for those doing family research. We would like to share information on the Founding families in this area...Some of these families are: Trevino, Tamayo, Longoria, De La Garza, Garcia, Tijerina, Tamez, Weaver, Montalvo, Villarreal, Hinojosa, Solis, Reyes, Pena, Munoz,
Cisneros, Perez, Cannamar, Esparza, Ramirez, Cavazos...and others. Meet us to form a Genealogy research group this Saturday a.m.! Let us do research on these names and on much, much more.
Let us help each other as we research our family histories.
Descendants of Pioneer Families in Brownsville, Folks interested in ancestral research and tracing their family roots are all invited to attend.

For more information (956) 548-1313

Raul,

I don't know anything about Coahuila but it appears that the Church records for Coahuila have not been digitized yet. The only records available on-line for Coahuila are the civil records that begin in 1869.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Matamoros

Can any one guide me towards defunciones in Matamoros, Coahuila, for the years, 1853-1854? My g,g,g,grandfather, Pablo Luna, died at that time span and location. I haven't been able to find any info about this time...Thanks, Raul Cristerna Luna