Nuestros Ranchos Site

My grandmother, who was from Jerez, used to make Capirotada when I was a
little girl. I didn't like it or champurado or atole and, worse for me,
camote. I think I could eat capirotada now. :)

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:40 PM, wrote:

> In our village of Huejuquilla during Holy Week, we have "La Judea"
> festivities. During this week, we eat, "Capirotada" also we eat Pan
> Semanita. But I was looking at this article I just saw:
>
> http://shine.yahoo.com/spring-**celebrations/battle-matzoh-**
> balls-185700091.html
>
> Matzoh Balls?
>
> In Mexico they are popular but called, "Abondigas."
>
>

https://www.familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.f…
Aguascalientes, put this in you favorites..

________________________________
From: "adrianmapa50@yahoo.com.mx"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2012 1:12 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Como encontrar informacion de Aguascalientes en Family search

Alguien me podria ayudar diciendome como encontrar la informacion de nacimientos y matrimonios de Aguascalientes en family search

Saludos

Jose Vicente Enriquez and Juana Manuela Gonzalez de Hermosillo were married on 29 Jan. 1741(Jalos Marriages 1707-1748, image 443).

Jose Vicente was born in Jalos on 26 Aug. 1714 and died on 4 Jun. 1774.

Sergio Gutierrez

From the information you have provided, this may be the same Vicente Bugarin, in which case you would be related to the same Mexico City Alvaro Cosme Bugarin who arrived in Tlaltenango in the early 1700s.

http://ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I1415&tree=RamosP…

Hello Antonio...Welcome to the group.
 
I have two lines of Bugarin. The first record
that I have is; as marriage record in Mexico, D.F.
in 1676 then, the family appears in Tlaltenango on
a marriage record in 1709.
 
I have searched my data base for the names you
indicated, and.. nada...Perhaps, if you go back a
generation or two, we may find a connection.
 
Also, there are at least two members in the group
that have Bugarin lines, which may be listed in
the files section
Keep searching~~~
Helyn
San Jose, CA
 
 

--- On Sat, 5/1/10, antonio2214@verizon.net wrote:

From: antonio2214@verizon.net
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] I found I Have Family in Atolinga , Zacatecas by the Lastnames Bugarin and Covarrubias
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, May 1, 2010, 10:38 PM

Hi I have Been doing some searching thru Family Search and I finaly found some more records. It Appears that I Found Family In Zacatecas,
My Family Members are Eligio Bugarin who married Narcisa Covarrubias
where would I be Able to find More Info on them?
I did A Bit Of Reading and it seems it was on of the Spanish Families who lived in Atolinga since late 1500?
Thanks I Would Appreaciate the tips : )

Josef Eligio Bugarin Serrano se bautiza el 12 dec 1818 en atolinga, Zacatecas batch C600701 film 445062 hijo de jose Bicente Bugarin y Maria Apolinar Serrano

se casa con Narcisa Cobarruvias el 28 de feb 1829 en Atolinga batch M600705 film 445085

tienen a Pantaleona, Epitacio, Petra, Juliana Eusebio y Jose Encarnación

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordResults&g…

Bicente se casa con Apolonia Serrano el 15 jul 1816 en Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman M607143 film 443971

en este link están sus hijos:

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordResults&g…

saludos lety R

_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail: as HOT as always
www.hotmailhotness.com.mx

I'm researching in Tamazula, Jalisco and finding many people from Cotija.. is that in the district of Tamazula, Jalisco or is it in Michoacan?
Linda in Everett

It could mean born in or national origin. For some reason, I think
Flamenco COULD mean Fleming, as in, he's Flemish originally from
Dunkirk. But I might be wrong. Marge:)
On Jul 30, 2010, at 10:02 AM, omar_codina@msn.com wrote:

I am researching a Mexican marriage record from 1755 in which the
groom is described as 'flamenco de Nasion originario de la Ciudad de
Dunquerque'. I interpret this as a gypsy from the city of Dunkirk
(France). I am not sure what the 'de Nasion' signifies unless it
means gypsy nation or of this nation. If anyone has encountered this
terminology or has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate your
thoughts.

Omar Codina

Hello Omar,
I've offered up this Spanish website to the group before because I've found it helpful, but I've never received any feedback positive or otherwise.  Try ascagen.es go to the upper right archivos/bases de datos.  There there's a Transmeranos de Flandes/Los Flamencos de Transmiera section that might prove helpful.  I don't know enough about the history of Spain and what the Flanders connection is, but that's what they refer to here, when they use "Flamenco".  It's confusing, because more specifically, there's a Cantabria connection which includes Santander and has been a great resource researching my family.  Does this make me "Flamenco"?  I don't know.  I hope you find the site interesting at the very least.    Alice

--- On Fri, 7/30/10, omar_codina@msn.com wrote:

From: omar_codina@msn.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Terminology/Place Location
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 3:02 PM

I am researching a Mexican marriage record from 1755 in which the groom is described as 'flamenco de Nasion originario de la Ciudad de Dunquerque'.  I interpret this as a gypsy from the city of Dunkirk (France).  I am not sure what the 'de Nasion' signifies unless it means gypsy nation or of this nation.  If anyone has encountered this terminology or has any suggestions, I would greatly appreciate your thoughts.

Omar Codina

Hi Omar

Flamenco de Nasión (should be -nación) simply means -flamenco from birth, born
flamenco.

Regards

Juan Ramón Alvarez

________________________________
From: "omar_codina@msn.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 8:02:03 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Terminology/Place Location

I am researching a Mexican marriage record from 1755 in which the groom is
described as 'flamenco de Nasion originario de la Ciudad de Dunquerque'.  I
interpret this as a gypsy from the city of Dunkirk (France).  I am not sure what
the 'de Nasion' signifies unless it means gypsy nation or of this nation.  If
anyone has encountered this terminology or has any suggestions, I would greatly
appreciate your thoughts.

Omar Codina

I belong to a Latino cooking club - we all have ancestors from different
Hispanic countries. When it was my turn, I made tostadas (great for both
vegetarian and meat eaters) and a huge nopale salad -- to my delight and
surprise, it was all gone!

My recipe
2 bottles of Dona Maria Nopales (already cleaned and cooked)
rinse and take out peppers/onions
Finely diced onions (1 small one or to taste)
Finely diced tomatoes (about three)
Queso ranchero - 2-3 packages (the smaller ones) broken up in small pieces
cilantro - 1 bunch
1 or 2 jalapenos - diced - on the side(not everyone likes chiles - it's
for those that like it and they simply can add to taste)
Gently toss together - serve with tostadas

Here is one recipe for Nopal Salad (Ensalada de Nopalitos) from the website for American ex-pats living in Mexico.

http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/2188-nopal-salad-ensalada-de-nopalit…

Also, I found this one in the book "Frida's Fiestas: Recipes and Reminiscences of Life with Frida Kahlo" by Guadalupe Rivera and Marie-Pierre Colle, a book with fabulous color photos of Frida's home in Mexico City:

NOPALES SALAD

16 medium nopales, needles removed, cut in strips, and rinsed under running water
4 medium tomatoes, peeled, seeded, and chopped
1 large onion, chopped
3 serrano or jalapeno chiles, chopped
1/4 cup chopped cilantro
1/2 cup olive oil
2 tablespoons vinegar
Salt

Cook the nopales in plenty of water to remove the slippery coating [they can be slimy like okra]
When tender, rinse in cold water.
Soak a dishtowel in cold water and wrap it around the nopales
Squeeze tightly and let stand 20 minutes so that any remaining slippery substance
can drain through
Combine the tomatoes, onion, chiles, cilantro, oil, and vinegar in a salad bowl
Season with salt to taste
Stir in the nopales and mix well.
Serve cold.

I recall my mother used to cook nopales plain, and serve them cut up as a side dish. They tasted sort of like green beans, and I liked them better than the okra she used to cook because the okra was very slimy.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 17:24:58 -0700
> From: nc_coleman@yahoo.com
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Easter Dinner ideas
>
> Thank you for your comments and ideas.I should have mentioned the composition of my guest list. There will be 8 adults (4 of them non-latino, but three of them have been family members for several years), and 6 grandchildren under the age of 12. The tamales were a request.The idea of a nopal salad is intriguing - I haven't had nopales in decades, and no one else among those attending Easter dinner has ever had them. Can anyone suggest a good recipe for the salad? I like to offer sufficient variety, so that everyone will find something to eat, which is why I asked for some ideas for side dishes. There will be a fresh fruit platter.Thanks again.
> ncc
>
>

Peal off the prickle with a sharp knife, cut the nopal in small
rectangles, boil in water with onion and salt until they fill tender, rinse
with cold water until the water comes out clean.

Mix it with chopped tomatos, coriander, onion, avocado and as much
jalapeño as you want (you may skip the chile if you dont like it hot),
add a few drops of olive oil.

Thats all!, you can add some panela cheese cubes.

On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 6:24 PM, natalie coleman wrote:

> Thank you for your comments and ideas.I should have mentioned the
> composition of my guest list. There will be 8 adults (4 of them non-latino,
> but three of them have been family members for several years), and 6
> grandchildren under the age of 12. The tamales were a request.The idea of a
> nopal salad is intriguing - I haven't had nopales in decades, and no one
> else among those attending Easter dinner has ever had them. Can anyone
> suggest a good recipe for the salad? I like to offer sufficient variety,
> so that everyone will find something to eat, which is why I asked for some
> ideas for side dishes. There will be a fresh fruit platter.Thanks again.
> ncc
>
>

Abram,

They did some work on the site last night so it looks different. When you get to Zacatecas, scroll down on the blue arrow at the right and Nochistlan will be there.

Good Luck!!

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

________________________________
From: "aflore2855@gmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 7:22 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search??

Im trying to look for a record on Familysearch.com.And their is a major problem so i click on Mexico Catholic Church Record, then i click on the state which in this case is Zacatecas then i have  to click the name of the city or town and which in this case is Nochistlan.And the problem is that Nochistlan is not their can someone please help me? -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Antonio

Thank you for bringing education up. Well when I browsed the archives for our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico, never say any comments about not being able to read or write, but the logs were recorded by the Friars or whoever was logging the books over confirmations, baptisms and such.

But I wonder if there were any schools in the Agricultural areas back during the colonial times? Are there any records of schools that existed?

It would be interesting to see what kind of education our ancestors had.

But I have read some information that the Conde of Hacienda San Mateo of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico by the name of Fernando De La Campa y Cos (1676 - 1742) stressed education.

Your success in education or profession sometimes depends on have role models or peers that are generation or more above you that have educational backgrounds that can guide you into the right direction, show you the propiate way to study so you can become sucessful and you can guide the younger generation.

I feel sorry for many people from the agricultural areas that have no role models, no peers that have educational backgrounds that can stress education, be a guide.

I really want to help out in our village of Huejuquilla to try to get everyone to at least graduate from Preparatoria (High School). Show them the correct way to study when they are at a young age, stress how education helps in life knowing the basics of math, reading and writing that helps in life when you have to fill out job applications, paper work, doing simple arithmetic for jobs.

I really feel sorry for the people from the agricultural areas that don't have the same opportunities or influences as people from the cities do.

Hi Linda,

In some of the cases, this wasn't true. I've found records from some of my ancestors where there is the same writing of "por no saber firmar lo hago yo para que conste", when I know that actually some of those ancestors did know how to write or read. For example, my third greatgrandfather Abraham Agraz wrote a whole diary of one of his journeys to Mexico City which now is written in a book published about 30 years ago by my uncle Gabriel. Abraham in some church records appeared as he didn't know to sign but I have the image of his signature in another book about the Agraz family.

I have another case where the record says "no vino a firmar por lo que lo hice yo". For me, this is kind of weird because I suppose the couple should be there at the time when the priest is writing down the wedding information. This is the case of the marriage record of my great great grandparents Julián García de Alba and Isidra Preciado, they knew how to write and read because they said they could in the Mexico's 1930 Census and Isidra was a teacher for a small period of time and also among of their properties, there was a considerable amount of books.

As a result, I think the second situation may be one of the reasons of why the priest instead of saying the couple wasn't there for signing, he wrote down that they didn't know how to write.

Enrique Agraz

In Nochistlan, I found that the españoles for the most part did not know how to read and write, It would say " no firmo por no saber"

Some of the indios in Nochistlan did know how to read and write. In Nochistlan there was a decree from "La Corte de los Reinos de Castilla" that, due to the maltreatment of the españoles towards the indios, the españoles could not live within the confines of the town of Nochistlan, the españoles lived in the rancherias or outlying areas within the municipality of Nochistlan.

The indios in Nochistlan were to be protected by the Catholic Church, thus they had to live within the city. In the book Los Duran de Nochistlan, it defines the plan of the city and identifies who could live within the town, therefore the indios were the ones who received an education. Most of the scribes in the early days were indios, they were ones who were educated.

Alicia

________________________________
From: "longsjourney@yahoo.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:12 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] education in Mexico

I'm working on marriage information records for Jerez, Zacatecas 1899 and am finding that 99% of the records say they can not read or write so the notary is signing the documents for them. I know Jerez was small but is this pretty standard for the education of people during those years?  Just wondering what others are finding in their research for Mexico during these years.
Linda in Everett

My research is in Jalpa, Zacatecas  and I find (maybe not 99%) the same thing.

----- Original Message -----
From: longsjourney@yahoo.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 10:12:26 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] education in Mexico

I'm working on marriage information records for Jerez, Zacatecas 1899 and am finding that 99% of the records say they can not read or write so the notary is signing the documents for them. I know Jerez was small but is this pretty standard for the education of people during those years?  Just wondering what others are finding in their research for Mexico during these years.
Linda in Everett

Tamales and beans are rather heavy fare, so I would suggest keeping the side dishes light, such as Spanish Rice, Caesar salad, chunks of cantaloupe with strawberries, fruit drinks.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: nc_coleman@yahoo.com
> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 06:41:22 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Mexican Easter Dinner
>
> Hola amigos,
> I am looking for some good menu ideas/recommendations for Easter dinner.
> We are going to attempt making tamales (California style). And there will be frijoles. But I am looking for additional side dishes.
> We haven't attempted such a menu in a few years (and then I had the expert assistance of my sister to make the tamales, but she can't be here this year).
> If you have any good ideas, could you please share. Gracias.
>
> Natalie Castro Coleman
> in Virginia

Hola Tomas Alejandro,

Quisiera saber porque Guadalajara se llama la Perla del Occidente? Hello Tomas Alejandro, could you tell me why Guadalajara is known as La Perla del Occidente?

Espero que dentro de este grupo no haya personas que como dices tu te den patadas o puntapies por hacer preguntas o pedir ayuda. Yo solo he encontrado apoyo y respaldo con los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos. Tengo desde Mayo de 2003 que ingrese a este grupo cibernetico por invitacion de Joseph y si no fuera por su gentilesa y amabilidad no seguiria con este trabajo tan laborioso pero que si trae mucha satisfaccion cuando se ven los resultados. Aun cuando hago preguntas que parecen ser ridiculas o doy malos comentarios, se reciben con respeto.

I hope that within this group you don't find as you say people who will kick you or put you down when you ask questions or ask for help. I have found nothing but support and backing with the members of Nuestros Ranchos. I joined in May of 2003 at the invitation of Joseph via this cyberspace group. If it weren't for Joseph's gentle help and guidance I would not have continued with this labor of love that provides a great deal of satisfaction when I see the results of our hard work and when I feel the support of all who are in this group, even when I ask dumb questions or provide dumb answers.

Atentamente;
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: Tomás Alejandro Villegas Gómez
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Cc: Genealogia-Mexico@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 3:02:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] [Genealogia.org.mx] 6021 SALUDOS TOMAS VILLEGAS

Hola Edddy Gtz:

Saludos desde la Perla de Oocidente, gracias por
escribirme, que bueno que ya avanzastes mas en tu
genealogia, dime, fuistes a alguna parroquia a investigar
o que hiciste, citame tus fuentes.
El IGI (Indice Genealogico Internacional) es de una
gran ayuda para nosotros los genealogistas, ahora siempre
disponible por medio de internet y el avance de las
tecnologias en la computacion, hace algunos años no
disponiamos de esta gran herramienta, gracias a los
miembros de la Iglesia de Jesucristo de los SAntos de
los Ultimos Dias, antes cuando yo empece no habia estas
grandes herramientas tenias que ir a encerrarte por dias
y meses enteros a ver libros o microfils, al arzobispado
o al registro civil, e hibas avanzando muy lentamente,
la unica esperanza que tenias era informarte de cuales
o quienes eran los genealogistas con mas experiencia
para contactarlos y ver que consejos te daban para
seguir con tu genealogia, desgraciadamente en este
medio como en muchos otros medios, existen las bajesas
humanas, la envidia, el nepotismo, el desinteres, etc.
y yo tope en pared y a los genealogistas expertos en estas
cuestiones que yo consulte, desgraciadamente en el
lejano 1985, se puede decir que me dieron un puntapie
en el trasero y me bajaron mi entusiasmo por seguir
investigando, ya que aparte de desanimarme, ni me daban
consejos, ni me daban ninguna informacion, desgracia-
damente existe mucha envidia y falta de interes en ayudar
a otras personas, se quedan los genealogistas expertos
con toda su informacion, y nunca la comparten y muchos
ni publican nada, solo como el mounstruo come galletas
comen y comen informacion y a nadie se la comparten.
POr eso Eddy te recomiendo que aproveches lo que
existe actualmente, el Internet, el IGI, los grupos de
disciusion, trata de ir haciendote experto en el
manejo del IGI, de alli saque el siguiente matrimonio
de tus abuelos en la novena generacion:

Matrimonio de Joseph Agaton Gutierrez con Maria
Antonia Muñoz, se casaron el 26-Ene-1742 en Nuestra
SEñora de la Asunción, Jalostotitlán, Jal. esta en
el Microfilm de Matrimonios de Jalos No. 0279295
que abarca matrimonios de 1707 a 1748, Batch No. M603224.

Tienes que consultar este microfilm o ir a Jalostotilan
al archivo parroquial y pedir el libro de matrimonios que
abarque esta fecha y ver si alli consultar datos
adicionales como la edad de los pretensos, de donde
declararon ser originarios y donde residian, y por
supuesto el nombre de sus padres para avanzar otra generacion.

Yo por mi parte en mi base de datos, todabia no tengo
registrado este matrimonio, pero si tengo algunos datos
de Maria Antonia Muñoz de Nava, que concuerdan con los
datos que tu me das:

Maia Antonia Muñoz de Nava Martín, nacio en Septiembre de 1721, fue
Bautizada el 22-Sep-1721 en San Juan de los
Lagos, Jal., (Murio el 26-Jul-1793) es hija de Manuel
Muñoz de Nava(que nacio aproximadamente en 1695 y murio
el 07-SEp-1765) que caso con Juana María Martín del
Campo Padilla (que fue bautizada el 28-Dic-1702 y murio
el 06-Jun-1782), ellos se casaron aproximadamente en
1720 en San Juan de los Lagos, Jal.

Padres de Manuel Muóz de Nava: Francisco Muñoz de
Nava Tiscareño y Leonor Ramirez de Hermosillo Barba.

Padres de Juana Maria Martin del Campo Padilla:
Esteban Martin del Campo Flores y Juana Padilla Davila
Gutiérrez de Hermosillo.

Espero te sirva la informacion.

Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez.

El día 25/08/06, eddy gutierrez hermosillo escribió:
>
> *HOLA TOMAS*
>
> Oyes otra ves aqui molestandote, Pues que ya he avanzado mas en mi
> investigacion sobre los GUTIERREZ, y quiero preguntarte si tu me puedes
> ayudar , pues haora me encuentro en mi 9º generación con: *Jose Agaton
> Gutierrez de Mendoza *casado con *Maria Antonia Muñoz de Nava *¿sabras
> algo de esta persona?* *
>
> * GUTIERREZ*
>
>
>
>
>
> 1ª GENERACION
>
>
>
> NOMBRE : *Eddy Gutierrez Hermosillo*
>
>
>
> 2º GENERACION
>
>
>
> PAPA: *José Gutierrez Gutierrez*
>
> NACIMIENTO: 7 Mar 1936
>
> LUGAR : (Estancia Vieja) San Juan de los
> Lagos Jalisco
>
> FALLECIMIENTO: 2 Feb 1986
>
> LUGAR : Lagos de Moreno Jalisco
>
> MATRIMONIO: 15 Jun 1967 Lagos de Moreno Jalisco
>
> LUGAR : Lagos de Moreno Jalisco
>
> CONYUGE *Margarita Hermosillo Reynoso*
>
> NACIMIENTO: 28 Jul 1946
>
> LUGAR : (Las Golondrinas) San Miguel el Alto
> Jal.
>
>
>
> 3º GENERACION
>
>
>
> ABUELO: *José Cruz Gutierrez Gutierrez*
>
> NACIMIENTO: 16 Jul. 1915
>
> LUGAR : (Estancia Vieja) San Juan de los
> Lagos Jalisco
>
> FALLECIMIENTO: 31 Ago. 1986
>
> LUGAR : Lagos de Moreno Jalisco
>
> MATRIMONIO: 6 Ene. 1935
>
> LUGAR : San Juan de los Lagos Jalisco
>
> CONYUGE *Virginia Gutierrez Ramirez*
>
> NACIMIENTO: 21 May 1918
>
> LUGAR : (La Mora) Jalostotitlan jalisco
>
>
>
> 4º GENERACION
>
>
>
> BISABUELO: *Ubiliado Gutierrez Gutierrez*
>
> NACIMIENTO: ?????????????????????????
>
> LUGAR : ?????????????????????????
>
> FALLECIMIENTO: ?????????????????????????
>
> LUGAR : ?????????????????????????
>
> MATRIMONIO: ?????????????????????????
>
> LUGAR : ?????????????????????????
>
> CONYUGE *Leonida Gutierrez de Anda*
>
> NACIMIENTO: ?????????????????????????
>
> LUGAR : ?????????????????????????
>
> FALLECIMIENTO: ?????????????????????????
>
> LUGAR : ?????????????????????????
>
>
>
>
>
> 5º GENERACION
>
>
>
> TATARABUELO: *Nerberto Gutierrez Padilla*
>
> NACIMIENTO: 11 Jun 1865
>
> LUGAR : Jalostotitlán, Jal.
>
> FALLECIMIENTO: ?????????????????????????
>
> LUGAR : ?????????????????????????
>
> MATRIMONIO: 12 Feb 1890
>
> LUGAR : Ntra.Sra.Asuncion, Jalostotitlán
> JAL.
>
> CONYUGE *Librada Gutierrez Gonzalez*
>
> NACIMIENTO: 18 Ago 1872
>
> LUGAR : Estancia Vieja, San Juan d Lagos
> JAL.
>
> FALLECIMIENTO: ?????????????????????????
>
> LUGAR : ?????????????????????????
>
>
>
>
>
> 6º GENERACION
>
>
>
> 1º ABUELO: *Jose Ana Gutierrez Gutierrez*
>
> NACIMIENTO: 25 Jul 1815
>
> LUGAR : El Tule, San Juan de los Lagos, Jal.
>
> FALLECIMIENTO: ?????????????????????????
>
> LUGAR : ?????????????????????????
>
> MATRIMONIO: 1 Oct 1839
>
> LUGAR : Ntra.Sra.Asunción, Jalostotitlán,
> Jal.
>
> CONYUGE *Maria Canuta Padilla Gallo*
>
> NACIMIENTO: 19 Jun 1821
>
> LUGAR : Estancia Vieja, San Juan de los
> Lagos, Jalisco
>
> FALLECIMIENTO: ?????????????????????????
>
> LUGAR : ?????????????????????????
>
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> NACIMIENTO: 1783
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> CONYUGE *Maria Salome de la Trinidad Gutiérrez*
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> NACIMIENTO: 1787
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> 3º ABUELO: *Juan Bautista Gutierrez de Mendoza*
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> NACIMIENTO: 1746
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> CONYUGE *Juana Maria Rosalía Martin del Campo*
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> NACIMIENTO: 1753
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> CONYUGE *Maria Antonia Muñoz de Nava*
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> NACIMIENTO: 1721
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> *Atte:* *Eddy Gtz. H.*
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Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

Solo para aportar un dato mas a las notas: el nombre con el que fue bautizado Refugio, fue JOSE DEL REFUGIO RODRIGUEZ SANCHEZ, bautizado el 29 de Noviembre de 1844 en San Juan de los Lagos, hijo de HERMENEGILDO RODRIGUEZ y de LUISA SÁNCHEZ.

Para encontrar la información que buscas, vas a tener que revisar los libros de bautismos de hijos naturales, quizás de San Juan los Lagos, para encontrar el acta de bautismo de María de Jesús Álvarez.

Saludos

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De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de adrianmapa50@yahoo.com.mx
Enviado el: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 7:01 PM
Para: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] padres de Maurisia Alvares

Hola a todos los amigos de el foro, me he detenido en la linea familiar por no encontrar a los padres de Maurisia Alvares, quien fue madre soltera de María Jesus Alvares(nacida entre los años 1848-1849) que a su vez se caso con Refugio Rodriguez Tostado (nacio aproximadamente en 1846-1848), hijo de Hermenegildo Rodriguez y Luisa Tostado, tengo su acta de matrimonio y la informacion matrimonial, pero en ellas no mencionan a los padres de Maurisia, si alguno de los que han estudiado las ramas de los Alvarez tiene noticias acerca de ella sera de gran ayuda.

Matrimonio de Refugio Rodriguez Tostado y Jesus Alvarez 25 Agosto 1866 (imagen 113)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-53248-55?cc=1874591&wc…

Saludos..

I found the localities in the pueblosamerica website. San Ramón shows up in
maps.google.com also.

Lo de Vega
Tiene 42 habitantes
http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/lo-de-vega-2/

San Ramón
Tiene 613 habitantes.
http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/san-ramon-119/

Saludos
Armando

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:01 PM, wrote:

> Where can I find something about this two towns: Lo de Vega and San
> Ramón?. They are in the municipality of Guadalupe Zacatecas. I can´t find
> anything. The spelling of "Lo de Vega" could be Lodevega too. Thanks
>
> Alguien podría indicarme dónde puedo conseguir información sobre estas dos
> comunidades del municipio de Guadalupe Zacatecas. No logro encontrar nada.
> "Lo de Vega" también puede aparecer como Lodevega. Gracias
>
> Jorge Elias
>

In my family tree, I have a maternal second great-grandfather, Francisco de Peña, who was married to Maria Alvina de Villapando on 19 Feb 1783 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco, MX. They had eight children, including a Christobal de Villalpando. He was born about 1705. He was married to Maria Antonia de Villareal. So far, I have discovered one child, Juan Manuel Villalpando. Is this a different Cristobal de Villalpando (aside from the "l" in their family name?)

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cristobal de Villalpando or Cristobal Gallegos?

There is a Cristobal de Villalpando who lived in Asientos in the 1700s whose identity is puzzling. He had several children with Petra Dolores de Castillas (or del Castillo), who I believe was also known as Petra Dolores Fonseca.

I did not find a marriage record for Cristobal de Villalpando and Petra Dolores de Castillas. I found the death/burial record for Cristobal de Villalpando on 10 Apr 1772, Asientos, but unlike many of the period, does not name his parents.

I found two marriage records that suggest possibilities:

Xptoval Ricardo Gallegos, s/o Joseph Gallegos and Juana Antonio de Villalpando, married 20 Sept 1746, Asientos, to Petra Dolores Castilla, d/o of Antonio Castilla and Efigenia Dolores Fonseca. In the Informacion Matrimonial, Cristobal says he is 19 years old; and incorrectly names his father as Francisco.

Joseph Gallegos, s/o of Francisco Gallegos and Francisca Guevaro (or Guerrero?) married 5 Feb 1731, Juana Antonia de Villalpando, d/o Thomas de Villalpando and Maria Sotelo.

Cristobal Gallegos and Petra Dolores Fonseca had a child, Joseph Cayetano, baptized 14 Aug 1747, in Asientos. I did not find other children for this couple.

Cristobal de Villalpando and Petra Dolores Castilla (Castillo) or Fonseca had several children in Asientos as follows (the double surnames show how Petra's surname varies):

(i) Antonio de la Cruz de Villalpando Castillo, christened 11 May 1749 in Nuestra Señora de Belén, Asientos,
(ii) Joseph Antonio de Villalpando, born abt 1751/56. He married on 20 Aug 1776 in Nuestra Señora de Belén, Asientos Maria Agustina de la Luz Lopez, daughter of Pedro Fermin Lopez and Anna Gertrudis Gutierres.
(iii) Vitorino de los Dolores de Villalpando Fonseca, christened 13 Apr 1752 in Nuestra Señora de Belén, Asientos
(iv) Maria Michaela de Gordiana de Villalpando Castillas, christened 1 Jun 1754 in Nuestra Señora de Belén, Asientos She married (1) on 11 Jun 1773 in Nuestra Señora de Belén, Asientos Josef Maria Mendez, son of Santiago Julio Mendez and Mara Sepherina Ribera; (2) on 4 Nov 1776 in Nuestra Señora de Belén, Asientos, Josef Miguel de Sierra, son of Francisco Miguel de Sierra and Juana Pasquala de Medina.
(v) Joseph Brigido de Villalpando Castillas, christened 3 Aug 1756 in Nuestra Señora de Belén, Asientos
(vi) Joseph Silbestre Mariano de Villalpando, christened 19 Jan 1761 in Nuestra Señora de Belén, Asientos
(vii) Maria Marciala de Villalpando Castilla, christened 17 Jul 1763 in Nuestra Señora de Belén, Asientos
(viii) Joseph Francisco Christobal de Villalpando Castillo, christened 9 Nov 1765 in Nuestra Señora de Belén, Asientos
(ix) Maria Gertrudis de Villalpando Fonseca, christened 18 Jun 1769 in Nuestra Señora de Belén, Asientos

The godparents of some of these children are other Villalpandos. I've notice that many of the godparents of the Asientos Villalpandos were Villalpando relatives (often the same person); perhaps this is to strengthen family ties.

The marriage records cited above suggest that Cristobal was quite young when married. The IM says he was 19, but if I have his parents right, he was quite young when married, and overstated his age. I have noted that the stated ages in the IMs tend to be off, sometimes saying the person is older (as in this case), or younger.

I think that Cristobal Gallegos and Cristobal de Villalpando are the same person, with Cristobal changing his surname to that of his mother after the first child, Joseph Cayetano Gallegos, is born. I think Villalpando was a prominent family in Asientos, as later members were styled Don or Dona. This would have made the bonds between Cristobal the the other Villalpandos stronger.

Petra Dolores used both Castilla/Castillo and Fonseca; with Fonseca being her mother's surname.

I do not have definitive information supporting this conclusion, and wonder in any NR member might have additional information to support or disprove the conclusion.

George Fulton