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ALGUIEN ME PODRIA AYUDAR DE DONDE SON LA FAMILIA GUTIERREZ DE LA ARRA?

MIS LINEAS SON LAS SIGUIENTES:

JOSEPH DE LA BARCENA CASADO CON JUANA NANDIN GUTIERREZ APROX EN 1765 MUZQUIZ COAHUILA

ELLA ERA HIJA LEGITIMA DE
Juan Thomas Jacinto Nandin Y Maria Feliciana Gutierrez De La Arra
ELLOS SE CASARON EN 10 SEPTIEMBRE 1740 MUZQUIZ COAHUILA

SE QUE ESTE FORO NO ES PARA EL ESTADO DE COAHUILA , PERO AVER SI ME PODRIAN AYUDAR DONDE PUEDO CONSEGUIR TESTAMENTO O DISPENSAS MATRIMONIALES DE COAHUILA
SE LOS AGRADECERIA MUCHO
GRACIAS POR LA ATENCION PRESTADA
QUE TENGA UN EXCELENTE DIA

My chance I ran across the baptismo of the wife of my Great Great Grandfather Patricio Madera.

Her name is Maria Dimas De La Paz, "Espanola" from Rancho Del "Guitasti"? and was baptized in 1819 our village Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico. Her parents are: Maximo De La Paz and Agotona Ledesma:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2copwfb.jpg

To verify that she is correctly the wife of my Great Great Grandfather Patricio Madera, here is a baptism record of a son they had name Julian Madera (1859) that is the brother of my Great Grandfather Calixto Madera. And it lists parents of Julian Madera are Patricio Madera and Maria Dimas De La Paz. Paternal Grandparents are Juan Benancio Madera and Geronima Fernandez. Maternal Grandparents are Maximo De La Paz and Agotona Ledesma:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2qa1fyc.jpg

So when Julian Madera was born Patricio Madera (born in 1792) was 67 years old and Maria Dimas De La Paz was 40 years old

Donna, this is the first time I have seen a post from you though I'll admit my ten year old daughter is way better at this than I am, I have not accessed your family tree though I'm helping my wife's family with the Gonzalez, I do have some friends and relatives named Ismael and they are all male, sometimes very often in the old days someone was named for a saint of the opposite sex but usually had two names one normally being the matching gender even if the other was not.

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> I'm pretty discouraged. I've been a member for almost a year now, submitted my family tree info in a folder and also on the Forum blog, (2x). I need help to see if anyone has heard of any my family names in my tree, and if they know about the name Ismael being a girl's name, but to no avail. No one replies, I haven't gotten a single response from anyone since I've been a member.? I don't know why and what I'm doing wrong. Am I posting it in the wrong place or something? Can you help me? ?
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Can my great great grandfather have kids in his 60's?

I have found baptismos where my great great grandfather Patricio Madera and Dimas De La Paz had kids in the 1850's:

Julian Madera, who is the brother of my great grandfather Calixto Madera, born in 1859:
http://oi60.tinypic.com/x1leoj.jpg

Calistra Madera born in 1853:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=taoglx&s=8#.U3avvNJdWO0

Listed as parents: Patrico Madera and Dimas De La Paz, Paternal Grandparents Juan Benancion Madera and Geronima Fernandez

Here is the baptism of my great great grandfather Patricio Madera in 1792:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=34ezs0k&s=8#.U3av4tJdWO0

And his parents is Juan Benancio Madera and Maria Josefa

Here is the baptism of Juan Venancio Madera of Rancho De Los Maderas in 1762:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4joxmh&s=8#.U3awJNJdWO0

So I would have to think that for my great great grandfather Patricio to have kids in his 60's would mean the woman he had them with Dimas De La Paz may have been his second wife and a younger female or I have made an error in finding the correct Patricio Madera? But I connected Juan Benancio Madera as his father in the baptism records

Pedro Gomez, son of Diego Gomez, married Isabel Ortiz, daughter of Pedro de Anda, on 18 June 1613 at Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco. Pedro de Anda Altamirano was married to Beatriz Gonzalez de Castaneda. I am trying to find the genealogy for Isabel Ortiz,if any one has any ideas. What I have read so far is Pedro de Anda and Beatriz had three children: Esteban, Beatriz, and Juan. No Isabel turns up. Did Pedro de Anda have her out of wedlock with an Ortiz woman?

So I do I chat??

Mickey

I am searching for information regarding any Gutierrez family members who resided in the Ixtlan area. My ancestor was Miguel Gutierrez who married Trinidad Perez circa 1839. They may have lived in Camucuato which is nearby.
If you know of any Perez family members in this same area, I would appreciate hearing from you as well.

Thank you, SLM

Morisco also meant a Muslim convert to Christianity, and usually had Arab ethnicity

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>> As I was browsing the baptism records and in the year 1778, I came across this name that is odd and born in Rancho De Los Maderas in 1778:
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>> Jose Gil Abad Monijio
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>> Can someone help me out and tell me what kind of name is that?
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I have made an extensive search trying to find the baptism record of my Great Grandfather Calistro (Calixto) Madera. But I have found the baptism records of his brothers and sisters. But his I still can't find my Great Grandfather's Baptism Record. But I found a Baptism record of a sister with the same name. This is wierd. His sister, "Calistra Madera" Baptized in 1853 daughter of "Patricio Madera and Dimas De La Paz" Her Paternal Grandparents are Juan Benancio Madera and Geronima Fernandez:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/v7uqvl.jpg

As I was browsing the baptism records and in the year 1778, I came across this name that is odd and born in Rancho De Los Maderas in 1778:

Jose Gil Abad Monijio

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=16bc86d&s=8#.U3anZdJdWO0

Can someone help me out and tell me what kind of name is that?

From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 11:45 PM
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Subject: The Changing New Mexico Homeland: Through 19th Century Spanish-Language Poetry

Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a free presentation on The Changing New Mexico Homeland: Through 19th Century Spanish-Language Poetry on May 31, 2014 at 2:00 pm. For more information, please contact angelrcervantes@gmail.com.

Best Regards,
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Iberian Peninsula DNA Project

By chance I found a baptismo record where my great great grandfather Juan Venancio Madera along with his wife Maria Josefa were padrinos of a "mulatto libre" named Juan Secundino - who is the son of Juan Quesada and Petra Acuna:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/24mi34h.jpg

Source: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18434-48381-54?cc=1874591&wc…

Here is a baptismo record of my great great grandfather "Juan Venancio Madera, "Espanol" of Rancho de Los Maderas near Huejuquilla, Jalisco year 1762 which is also near Hacienda San Antonio. Juan Venancio Madera was registered as "Espanol" and is the son of Francisco Madera and Maria de Huizar:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/2wlrqjt.jpg

Source: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18431-7954-10?cc=1874591&wc=…

By chance I also found a baptismo of my great great grandfather Francisco Madera who was the Padrino of a "mulatto libre" by the name of Ant. Cofracio, "mulatto libre" who is the son of Thomas Redondo of the Hacienda of Rancho De Los Maderas:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=takndd&s=8#.U3F4zoFdWO1

Source: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18431-7670-15?cc=1874591&wc=…

I would assume Francisco Madera is the same person

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can anyone read all the names and also tell me if Nikolas or maria were previousley married? this is thier marriage certificate . i cant read information on marias parents either

thank you

My mother is an immigrant from Mexico who became a U.S. citizen; my father’s family all came from the New Mexico area and became citizens when the U.S. bought (or stole) the territories. So basically, all my ancestors were of Mexican descent.

I joined this research forum because of my interest in the area of Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. My oral history indicated that my grandmother, Maria Cervantes, was born in Jalisco to parents, Modesto Cervantes & Petra Aguilera. Their respective parents were Quirino Cervantes and Maria Agatona Soto (or Agaton Escoto); and Geronimo Aguilera and Augustina Luevano. Maria reportedly had one brother, Desiderio and two half-siblings, Enrique and Maximiana. Ancestry.com shows that my grandfather, Filomeno Picazo, immigrated to the U.S. from Jalisco in 1915, and his brothers, Refugio and Nicolas immigrated in 1912 and 1917 respectively. From my mother’s baptismal record extracted from Jalisco in 1971, my great grandparents were Perfecto Picazo and Quirina Ferrel.

The LDS site has given me access to marriage records for Perfecto Picazo and a Quirina Gonzalez on 31 May 1876 in Encarnacion de Diaz. That marriage record indicates that Perfecto’s parents were Nicolas Picazo and Blaza de Anda, who were married in 1843 in Encarnacion de Diaz. Quirina Gonzalez’ parents were listed as Estanislao Gonzalez and Maria de la Merced Guzman. There is no further mention of Ferrel, so I don’t know where that names fits in. There is a marriage record for Geronimo Aguilera (b 1833 in Encarnacion de Diaz) and Augustina Luevano on 12 May 1858 in Aguascalientes. Petra was born in 1862 in El Senor Del Encino, Aguascalientes. There is one record for Quirino Cerbantes Peres (b 1834 Encarnacion de Diaz) that lists Gerardo Cerbantes and Rafaela Peres as his parents, but I do not know if those are the right ones. Names seem to change as I pursue records further back.

So far, my best results have come from the LDS Family Search site. I belong to Ancestry.com but their records are mostly European. Ancestry.com has been helpful in getting Census records of my father’s family up to the middle of the 1800s but the previous history must be in Catholic records, if they exist. I’ve also gotten DNA testing with the Family Tree DNA site, but even that has given limited information. If any of you have research that intersects with my surnames, I’ll be glad to exchange information.

I need to know where I can order Birth and Death Records for Jalisco, Mexico.
My grandparents are Jose Mena & Juana (Born Valderrama) I received a marriage record for them from Armando on this site. Thank you very much Armando.

My grandfather Jose was born on March 19 1904 in Union de San Antonio. His parents are Jesus Mena and Juana Lopez. I can’t find Baptismal record on Jesus & Juana or any of their other children, if they had any. I’m still looking for Jose’s baptismal record on family search & my heritage website. No Luck.

My grandmother Juana Valderrama was born on June 24 1907 in Lagos de Moreno. Her parents are Nabor Valderrama and Jacinta Prado. I do know that Nabor & Jacinta had 5 children. But can’t find Juana’s baptismal record.

I need to find out when my great grandparents where born and where. I appreciate any help you can give me. I will order birth and death records. But I don’t know where to go to find them. Thank you Laurie Machen

I need to know where I can order Birth and Death Records for Jalisco, Mexico.
My grandparents are Jose Mena & Juana (Born Valderrama) I received a marriage record for them from Armando on this site. Thank you very much Armando.

My grandfather Jose was born on March 19 1904 in Union de San Antonio. His parents are Jesus Mena and Juana Lopez. I can’t find Baptismal record on Jesus & Juana or any of their other children, if they had any. I’m still looking for Jose’s baptismal record on family search & my heritage website. No Luck.

My grandmother Juana Valderrama was born on June 24 1907 in Lagos de Moreno. Her parents are Nabor Valderrama and Jacinta Prado. I do know that Nabor & Jacinta had 5 children. But can’t find Juana’s baptismal record.

I need to find out when my great grandparents where born and where. I appreciate any help you can give me. I will order birth and death records. But I don’t know where to go to find them. Thank you Laurie Machen

Hi Everyone,
My name is Laurie Machen. I’m new to the group. I can’t wait to start doing some research. I have been working on my family tree for 5 years now. I had an account on Ancestry and My Heritage website. I’m familiar with Family Search. I did not have the opportunity to know my grandparents from Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico. I lost contact with that side of the family after my parents divorced. I grew up with my father’s parents. I need help trying to find information.

My grandparent’s names are Jose Mena & Juanita (born Balderama). They both where born and married in Lagos de Moreno. They had 2 sons born there also. (Guadalupe 1925 & Leopoldo 1926)

I found a Jose’s Mena baptismal record on March 22 1903. But I don’t know if it’s him. I was told he was born in 1904. On his grave stone it reads 1904 also on the 1930 Kansas, USA Census read 1904. On his death certificate it reads March 19 1905. So I’m lost. He came to America in 1928 with his wife and 2 sons. He died on Sep 21, 1962. He is buried in Chicago, IL. USA. I don’t know his parents name.

Now for Juanita, I found a picture from her sister Paula she wrote Juana as her first name. She was born, On the United States Social Security Death Index it has her birthday as June 30, 1906. The family told me Feb 25 1907. She died on April 6, 1991 in Oak Lawn, IL. USA

I was hoping that someone can help me find their marriage license or anything on their families. Jose’s father took share of horses in Lagos de Moreno. I appreciate any help you can give me.

: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/LaurieMachen

Mercado-Acevedo-Nava Family - Part 1 of 2 by Donna Gonzalez
Descendants of Mercado Family in Tepetongo, Zacatecas MX
Generation No. 1
1. Benito was born c. 1870- 1875 ? in possibly Tepetongo. He married Longinia (Enriques) c. 1895 ? in Mexico. Benito also married his housekeeper and had a child. Unknown what her name was, or child's name or when this happened.
Children of Benito Mercado and Longinia (Enriques). Six sons and six daughters. It is unknown what the full name and birth order of most of the children were unless specified or what city they were born in unless specified.
2. i. Alfredo - eldest b. April 17, 1896 in Tepetongo, Zacatecas.
3. ii. Ernistina
4. iii. Benito
5. iv. Rominita
6. v. Maria
7. vi. Nicolas
8. vii. Juan
9. viii. Daughter unknown name
10. ix. Zacarias
11. x. Nachita
12. xi. Montclovio -the youngest son
13. xii. Tina - the youngest daughter
Generation No. 2
2. Alfredo (Enriques) Mercado was born April 17, 1896 in Tepetongo, Zacatecas died March or April 1935 in Detroit, MI USA. He married Amelia (Acevedo) in January 1913 in Tepetongo, Zacatecas, daughter of Francisco Acevedo and Florence (Nava). Amelia's natal name was "Ismalia" born on August 14, 1897 in Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico.
Children of Alfredo and Amelia are: (Note: 3 additional children are still living but are not accounted for in this list)
5. i. Presilia, b. January 7, 1914 d. Feb. 24, 1914, [48 days old] in Mexico.
6. ii. Maria, b. Oct. 1915, d. August 1916 [10 months old], in Mexico
7. iii. Helen (natal name: Ilaria/Hilaria), b. December 31, 1917, in Mexico d. January 26, 2009 in Inkster, MI USA.
8. iv Conchita b. January 1921 d. 1926 [5 years old] poisoned by a drunk Doctor in Detroit, MI USA
9. v. Manuel (natal name: Juan), b. January 2, 1927 d. September 18, 2007 in Westland, MI USA.
11. vii. Anna b. Sept. 10, 1924, in Chicago, Illinois d. October 13, 2012 in Taylor, MI USA.
Mercado-Acevedo-Nava Family - Part 2 of 2 by Donna Gonzalez
Descendants of Nava Family in Tepetongo, Zacatecas MX [Ameila's Maternal Grandparents]
Generation No. 1
1. Domingo Nava was born c. 1839 ? in possibly Tepetongo. He married Jesucita ( ? ) c. 1859 ? in Mexico.
Children of Domingo Nava and Jesucita. To date only one child is known, possibly more, unknown location of birth.
2. i. Florence aka "Flores" Nava b. c. 1860-1865 ? d. c. 1908 ? in Tepetongo from sepsis.
Descendants of Acevedo Family in Tepetongo, Zacatecas MX [Ameila's Paternal Grandparents]
Generation No. 1
1. Marquez Acevedo was born c. 1839 ? in possibly Tepetongo. He married Guadalupe ( Mar..sp? ) c. 1859 ? in Mexico.
Children of Marquez Acevedo and Guadalupe. Three children were born unknown birth order or location of birth.
2. i. Francesco b. c. 1860-1865 ? d. in Tepetongo in 1909 either from being murdered or an accidental poisoned animal trap incident.
ii. Maria b. c. 1860 or later ?
iii. Bernari (sp?) b. c. 1860 or later ?
Generation No. 2
Children of Francesco Acevedo and Florence aka "Flores" (Nava). Possible marriage date c. 1885 ? Three children were born in Tepetongo. Unknown which son died during the Spanish-American War.
3. i. Ventura b. 1886, d. either during the Spanish-American War c. 1898 or shortly after c. 1913 ?
4. ii. Jose b. 1888 d. either during the Spanish-American War c. 1898 or shortly after c. 1913 ?
5. iii. Ismalia aka. "Amelia" b. 1897

Can anyone help me? I find it odd that my grandmother Amelia was born with a feminine form of the male Jewish name Ishmael...I know of Sepharhic Jews being in Spain and also being Spaniards that come to Mexico. Anyone's thoughts??

From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 12:33 AM
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Subject: The Saxons connection to The Founding Fathers (Haplogrou​p I)

Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a lecture on Anthropological Genetic Genealogy: The Saxons connection to The Founding Fathers (Haplogrou​p I). If you would like to learn more about the mark this ancient civilization made on the world then this presentation is for you. There will be a presentation on the subject on June 2 at 1:00 PM, through the Oasis program. The class number is 25.

To register for this Oasis class:

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Estimados Miembros, especialmente Enrique Agraz,

Sé que varios de ustedes van a estar tan emocionados como yo por lo que encontré hoy referente a los origines de la familia de la Cueva.

Para resumir lo que hasta ahora se sabía en este foro, habíamos llegado a un callejón sin salida con el antepasado más antiguo D. Beltrán Fernández de la Cueva (-1684), casado con Tomasina de Velasco y Zúñiga.

Pues bien, recibí hoy (con mucha emoción) en préstamo de la Universidad de Wisconsin en Madison, los volúmenes I-VIII, que contienen 18 Números de las Memorias de la Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y Heráldica, que fueron publicados entre 1945 y 1953.

Me da mucho gusto poder compartir con ustedes este re-descubrimiento, pues no fui yo quien lo publicó originalmente sino D. Gabriel Agraz García de Alba quien escribió el artículo "Origen y Desenvolvimiento de la Familia de la Cueva en Tecolotlán", en "Memorias de la Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y Heráldica", Volumen VII, México D.F, 1953, pp. 53-108. Con este artículo podremos por fin responder a varias de las interrogantes que teníamos sobre el apellido de la Cueva.
En dicho artículo Don Gabriel nos narra el origen de la familia de la Cueva, remontando hasta el siglo XII (!), (p. 55) en Castilla la Vieja. Para no alargar demasiado, ¡efectivamente la familia de la Cueva fue de la nobleza castellana! Y no solo eso sino que fue un linaje muy ilustre contando entre si a los reconquistadores de Úbeda y Sevilla, Caballeros de Santiago, etc. En los próximos días trataré de publicar los nombres de las generaciones entre los fundadores D. Pedro de la Cueva y Dña. Carmona (p.55).

Por ahora va el adelanto desde los españoles llegados al Reino de Nueva Galicia en el siglo XVI.
Cito textualmente a D. Gabriel Agraz García de Alba:
Memorias de la Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y Heráldica, Volumen VII, México D.F, 1953, pp. 58-60.
“SEGUNDA PARTE
(En México)
"Décimocuarto nieto, de los fundadores [D. Pedro de la Cueva y Dña. Carmona], Capitán D. Juan de la Cueva Mendoza y Molina, originario de la ciudad de Úbeda, donde nació el año de 1552, principiando en esta ciudad su educación y terminándola en la de Baeza, de donde pasó siendo todavía muy joven, a esta Nueva España en unión de su hermano Francisco, habiendo sido llamados por su tío D. Pedro de la Cueva, que a la sazón desempeñaba en Guadalajara el importante cargo de Secretario Mayor de la Gobernación, Audiencia y Cancillería del Reino de la Nueva Galicia; pasado algún tiempo de estar radicado en Guadalajara, contrajo matrimonio en esta misma ciudad con Dña. Catalina de la Torre, hija del Capitán D. Diego de Colio, uno de los primeros conquistadores y pobladores de Nueva España, Nueva Galicia, Guatemala y Tehuantepec. Fue nombrado Capitán de guerra en varias expediciones en la costa occidental de dicho Reino y desempeñó varias Alcaldías. En 1592 se hallaba todavía avecindado en la ciudad de Guadalajara y en 1620 en Ahualulco, Jal., donde se cree haya pasado el resto de su vida, donde se dedicaba a la agricultura, poseyendo varios bienes raíces en dicha jurisdicción."

"Décimoquinto nieto, D. Diego Fernández de la Cueva Mendoza y Colio, quien en recuerdo de sus antepasados por línea directa de varonía particularmente los que habían llevado el nombre de Diego, usó el patronímico Fernández, en lo cual fue imitado por muchos de sus descendientes, nació en Guadalajara por los años de 1585 a 1586 y desde su infancia pasó al pueblo de Ahualulco, Jal. donde se crió, y no se sabe si en esta feligresía o en la de Etzatlán contrajo matrimonio con Dña. María de Solís y Ochoa."

TERCERA PARTE
(En Tecolotlán, Jalisco)

"Décimosexto nieto, de los fundadores, D. Beltrán Fernández de la Cueva Mendoza y Solís. Ignoro dónde haya nacido, fue casado con Dña. Tomasina de Velasco y Zúñiga, tal vez en segundas nupcias y hay memoria de él, en el archivo parroquial de este pueblo de Tecolotlán as ser bautizado su hijo Francisco, el 6 de marzo de 1682 por el fraile Juan de Bañuelas, habiendo sido sus padrinos su tío carnal el Capitán D. Francisco de Velasco y Zúñiga y Dña. Elvira de Guzmán (D. Francisco fue casado con Dña. Ma. Francisca Varillas el 9 de Febrero de 1712 y falleció el 20 de Dic. De 1755, sin dejar sucesión. "

D. Beltrán Fernández de la Cueva Mendoza y Solís, que abreviaba su nombre en D. Beltrán Fernández de la Cueva, falleció en este pueblo en el año de 1684, como se podrá ver en el acta de defunción que a continuación transcribo:
“ Al margen: ‘Beltrán Fernández de la Cueva. Español’. Al centro: ‘En veintiocho de Mayo de 1684 Falleció Don Beltrán Fernández de la Cueva español casado con Tomasina de Velasco. Testó dejó a cada una de las mandas por solas dos tomines pasó el testamento ante el teniente de este pueblo Dn. Juan de Betancur con teseros Mando se dijese un novenario por sus padres resado’. ‘Fr. Pedro Placencia’. “(rúbrica) Libro I. de Defunciones, Fol. 33”

[Dicha acta también se encuentra en familysearch.org como se ha señalado con anterioridad en Nuestros Ranchos, pero la pongo aquí para mayor facilidad:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-7303-34?cc=1874591&wc=… ]

Continúa la cita de Don Gabriel:

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Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 00:19:03 -0000
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Subject: [MEX-JALISCO] Filipino and filipinas in Jalisco Mexico
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Author: xsovereigntyx
Surnames: Espinoza
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My family can partially trace my mother and her siblings to an illicit
affair between my grandmother and a wealthy (wealthier than my poor
grandmother) Filipino man in Guadalajara, Jalisco in Mexico.

We do not have much information on them other than that the relationship did
not end well and when the Filipino man died we cut all ties to that family,
their surname is Espinoza.

This is a shout out to any Mexipinos out there! any Mexican Filipino threads
out there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_immigration_to_Mexico

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Estimados Miembros,

Acabo de crear un archivo con el Escudo de la Casa de la Cueva, según fue publicado por D. Gabriel Agraz García de Alba en "Memorias de la Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y Heráldica", Vol. VII, México D.F., 1952, p. 57.

Este escudo es le perteneció a la familia de la Cueva en Tecolotlán, Jalisco (específicamente, los descendientes de Beltrán Fernández de la Cueva (?-1684)y Tomasina de Velasco y Zúñiga). Aún NO hemos podido enlazar a todos los de la Cueva de la región de Nueva Galicia.

Muchos saludos,

Sergio Salés

Hi there all, I am glad to be part of the group, I've been (a bit at a time and slowly) researching my last name for little more than ten years now, although strictly talking about genealogy I just started a couple of years ago. Since the Internet is my only way of research I still need to find many links and pieces of information.

My research took me to the city of Nombre de Dios in Durango, in the second half of the 1600's, The film for this location and time is quite a challenge and unfortunately the time I got to review it, I wasn't doing genealogy yet therefore I couln't provide with a more detailed information like names and families other than my subjects but I am suspecting that some of them also lived in Zacatacas, I hope to revisit the files in order to extend the documentation since many records where skipped during the indexing at FamilySearch,(Film # 654868)

From there one of my ancestors moved to Nochistlán, Zacatecas and his children married among the Lozano, Leonel de Cervantes, Moscoso, Sandoval, Rodrigues de Frias.

One of my questions is about the town/village they mostly lived in, I noticed that the mentioned families lived in places like Los Lozanos, Los Mercados, Los Sandovales, Los Duranes/ Monte de los Duranes, etc. but there is this place that I can't locate geographically, named San Nicolas y Flores, (also San Nicolas, San Nicolas de Flores) in Nochistlán, I apreciate any information you may know of it.

From Zacatecas many Families moved around Nueva Galicia and end up all around Jalisco y Zacatecas.

I am also looking for the Rodriguez de Santa Ana (whom I am suspecting came also from Nombre de Dios, Durango). in particular there is a Fabian Rodriguez de Santa Ana married with Bernarda Gertrudis Ramires (or Mejía) whose kids born in Nochistlán.

I have a website where I am putting all my findings, is going to be updated constantly https://sites.google.com/site/quiralrte/

This is also my file http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/RJQ

Thank you for any information or comment, any help is greatly appreciated.
RJ Quiralte.

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone else came up with this MtDNA haplogroup. I've read a little, but apparently, this is fairly common from SW Native American groups and northern Mexico down through Jalisco where it's even more common.

Laura Gonzalez

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11779-7225-15?cc=1502404&w…

The entry is the very first one, Calletano Ruiz de Esparza and Maria Antonia Macias.

Thank you
Marylouise Fraijo Ambriz