Nuestros Ranchos Site

Hola!! mis antepasados son edivigis pasillas y antonio amaro. Yo no he encontrado nada mas acerca de ellos si tienes info o sabes donde puedo buscar me gustria saber si no es molestia que me ayudaras, estoy preparando para mis padres la informacion de la familia de regalo de navidad. Ojala me puedas ayudar !! de antemano gracias!
barbara melendez

Me imagino que has encontrado la información en FamilySearch? la región que mencionas Múzquiz tiene muy pocos registros, lo cual puede darse a que es un poblado nuevo ó que estaba bajo la jurisdicción de otra iglesia, algo que te puede ayudar es buscar por el lado histórico cuales son las parroquias mas antiguas, en lo personal desconozco la historia de Coahuila, entonces parte de la Nueva Vizcaya, pero generalmente las ciudades mas grandes y antiguas poseen mayor numero de datos. Suerte!

just wanted to share that I have records where the wife is still having children at 49 so child bearing years seemed to have been longer in the old days. I also have a record where the man was 47 when he remarried a 14 year old, he already had 8 children and together they had another 11 children.
Linda in Olympia, Wa.
On Monday, May 19, 2014 5:07 AM, "zacatecano020@hotmail.com" wrote:

My chance I ran across the baptismo of the wife of my Great Great Grandfather Patricio Madera.

Her name is Maria Dimas De La Paz, "Espanola" from Rancho Del "Guitasti"? and was baptized in 1819 our village Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico.  Her parents are:  Maximo De La Paz and Agotona Ledesma:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2copwfb.jpg

To verify that she is correctly the wife of my Great Great Grandfather Patricio Madera, here is a baptism record of a son they had name Julian Madera (1859) that is the brother of my Great Grandfather Calixto Madera.  And it lists parents of Julian Madera are Patricio

Hi Donna,
I have to go to school
now, so this is going to be kind of quick and not very thorough, since I don’t
have time to go through all the marriage and baptism records. And, I’m leaving
out tons of dates, but, I can still give you a little more information. Also, I’m
not sure how familiar you are with family search but, you’ll get a lot farther
in your search if you look here: https://familysearch.org/search

I did find your last post on NR and it looks like there may have been a glitch of some kind because I see you posted your request on May 11th and I checked my email and your post isn't on the digest for that day or the next day. Maybe, someone can look into that. I do see George
provided you with information on Francisco Acevedo and Florencia Nava, so I’ll
skip them, since I don’t have a lot of time. I too agree with George that those
are your correct ancestors even though you’re missing three of the children. I’ll
jump right to Benito Mercado and Longina Enriquez. If you

Hi Donna,

I'm sorry to hear about the trouble you've been having finding assistance on the forum. I honestly, don't recall seeing your posts in the past and I try to look at all the digests in case I can help. I can tell you from my own experience that everyone on the forum is very helpful and very knowledgeable. I'm not sure if you're doing something wrong, but there are some ways to improve your chances of getting a response. I notice you left the Subject header without changing it to something specific. I used to do that in the beginning and it definitely limits your chance of success. If you leave the subject header unchanged, it will be very easy to miss. Also, if you're sending a research request make sure you're sending it to the research list and not here to the general list. In addition, if you're wanting people to look at your tree, you can attach a link to your folder in your message, I've seen some new people do that and it makes it easy for members
to access your tree as

Donna

Like Raul, I do not recall seeing your previous posts.

I took a brief look at the indexed Tepetongo church records at Family Search, and I believe I may have found some records that may be of interest, but they need further research.

I did a search for children of Francisco Acevedo and Florencia Nava. In the results, there are three children, although not one that you have named, but the time period is correct, so I looked at one of the baptismal records:

Bruno Acevedo, baptized 16 Oct 1890, San Juan Bautista, Tepetongo, the son of Francisco Acevedo and Florencia Nava. The paternal grandparents are Antonio Acevedo and Guadelupe Marquez; the maternal grandparents are Domingo Nava and Jesus Acevedo. There is a marginal note in the baptismal record that Bruno married Martina Dias on 16 Jan 1915 (the church is not stated, but in the absence of a place I would assume San Juan Bautista).

In your information you have the parents of Francisco Acevedo as "Marquez Acevedo" and

That is very possible and not unheard of. Even nowadays men are having
children in there 70's. Of course the mother is much younger. In rural
communities you might hear of a 16yr old married to a well established 60'
yr old.
On May 16, 2014 9:43 PM, wrote:

> Can my great great grandfather have kids in his 60's?
>
> I have found baptismos where my great great grandfather Patricio Madera
> and Dimas De La Paz had kids in the 1850's:
>
> Julian Madera, who is the brother of my great grandfather Calixto Madera,
> born in 1859:
> http://oi60.tinypic.com/x1leoj.jpg
>
> Calistra Madera born in 1853:
> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=taoglx&s=8#.U3avvNJdWO0
>
> Listed as parents: Patrico Madera and Dimas De La Paz, Paternal
> Grandparents Juan Benancion Madera and Geronima Fernandez
>
> Here is the baptism of my great great grandfather Patricio Madera in 1792:
> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=34ezs0k&s=8#.U3av4tJdWO0
>
> And his parents is Juan Benancio Madera and Maria Josefa
>
> Here is

not sure of your message,

but I sent you an email early Saturday about needing Yahoo Messenger and
a Yahoo Email account (both free to download off the internet) to be in
the chat. did you get that message.

not sure what you mean below?

joseph

MMG8938@aol.com wrote:

>So I do I chat??
>
>Mickey

I had a somewhat similar situation in my research.

The sister of my g-g-grandfather was said to have been born on a particular date but there is no record of her. However, there is a baptismal record of the masculine version of her name (Anastacia, Anastacio) showing the same birth date. Within the record it shows "hijo de" and also lists the name as "Jose Anastacio." (There is no family remembrance as to her having a twin.)

My current theory is that the priest just screwed-up. Perhaps when writing down the information of the baptism at a later time he inadvertently mixed-up the genders trying to remember if a child was a boy or a girl. I saw the same situation in another record, not of my family, but within baptismal records.

There are no civil records available to double check the birth. Have you tried looking for him and her in the civil records?

That is my best guess on your question.

Good luck!

Michael Carrillo

I believe it is "morisco" not monijo. This was a caste in colonial Mexico given to people of mixed ancestry, usually native, black, and español. Castes became complex as to people's mixture. You'll also notice the mother has no surname, which in many instances may refer to indio, but not always.

Saludos,
Daniel Méndez de Torres C.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2014, at 5:16 PM, zacatecano020@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> As I was browsing the baptism records and in the year 1778, I came across this name that is odd and born in Rancho De Los Maderas in 1778:
>
> Jose Gil Abad Monijio
>
> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=16bc86d&s=8#.U3anZdJdWO0
>
> Can someone help me out and tell me what kind of name is that?
>
>

It is likely the same person, unless you know there were more than one (sometimes siblings) person with the same name, the place and time match, Godparents weren't always couples, thus the difference between María de Guizar and María Leocadia.

Nicolas Picaso, single, born and live in Santa María. 22 years old. Son of Perfecto Picaso (alive) and Quirina Gonzalez (defunct)

María de Jesus Morones, born in "this" city and live in Santa María, single, 26 years old, daughter of Teodoro Morones (defunct) and Benita Morones (alive)

Godparents: Refugio Picaso and Felicitas Morones
Witnesses: Perfecto Picaso and Felix de León (adults and residents of Santa María)

The information is in the book number 46, folio 148.
The Groom christening record is in the book number 49, page 182, third entry.
The Bride || book number 46, page 85, second entry.

I don't think they were previously married, the city for the bride is the one where the wedding took place, the last paragraph is the actual reference for their vital records.

Hello Mary and welcome to the group! My paternal grandfather is from the same area that you are researching (ranchos of Santa Maria, La Mololoa, Troje de Urquiola...) and I believe we have a few common ancestors.

Based on what I've found our most recent common ancestor line is as follows:

1. Marcos Perez and Maria Antonia Magdaleno aka Ursua, aka Dondiego married 20 April 1755 in Lagos de Moreno
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18560-24562-16?cc=1874591&wc…

2. Jose Alvino Perez and Maria Vicenta de Torres (parents Jose Guadalupe de Torres and Maria Narcisa de Aguilar) married 22 March 1801 in Encarnacion de Diaz
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-58110-13?cc=1874591&wc…

3. Maria Dorotea Rafaela Perez (born 26 January 1802 in Santa Maria) and Gerardo Cervantes (parents Jose Cervantes and Antonia Ramirez) married 10 November 1819 in Encarnacion de Diaz.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18524-5601-35?cc=1874591&wc=…

Susan Carmona

Hello ,
im new to the group and noticed we have a few ancestors in common.

my 2nd great grandparents are Perfecto Picazo and Quirina Gonzales . this is from my paternal side of the family .

My 1st great granparents are Nicolas Gonzales Picazo and Maria de jesus Morones.

my grand parents are Antonia Picazo and Cirilo Barraza Gomez

Susan Carmona

Hello ,
im new to the group and noticed we have a few ancestors in common.

my 2nd great grandparents are Perfecto Picazo and Quirina Gonzales . this is from my paternal side of the family .

My 1st great granparents are Nicolas Gonzales Picazo and Maria de jesus Morones.

my grand parents are Antonia Picazo and Cirilo Barraza Gomez

Mary:

Here are some siblings for your great-grandfather Perfecto Picazo:

Higinio Picaso - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 25 SEP 1867 Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
Perfecto Picaso - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 31 MAY 1876 Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
Perfecto Picaso - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 18 NOV 1870 Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
Victoriana Picaso - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 28 MAY 1873 Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
Martina Picazo - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 12 JAN 1867 Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

As far as Quirino CERBANTES, there is another Quirino who is a possible candidate for your ancestor, given that he was married to Agatona SOTO in 1855. I would suggest you get Film No. 1155498 through a Family History Center and read the record which should list Quirino's and Agatona's parents, even

Mary:

Welcome to the group. I hope we can be of help here though it seems that you are pretty far along in your search and certainly have the right intuition in that in Mexico the Catholic church sacramental records are the key.

As far as your grandmother's name of Quirina Ferrel or Gonzalez, I would say that Ferrel was a second given name. I have seen the name Ferrer often appears as a second given name and the name Quirina is so unique that it must be the same Quirina. Probably names Quirina Ferrel Gonzalez Macias in current day standard Mexican naming convention, i.e First Given Name, Second Given Name, Paternal Surname, Maternal Surname.

It is important to note that there was a high level of illiteracy until the mid 1900s in Mexico and as such most people did not know how to spell their own last names. Furthermore, the Spanish language, particularly its spelling was not as standardized as it is today and thus even priests and certainly deacons, etc writing down records would

We have many of the same first names in our lines, but so far nothing matches up. Although I have not pursued the Cervantes line or the Gonzalez lines extensively, I can be a some help. Try searching on Serbantes and Servantes as these are other variations that will yield very different results. My lines of Cervantes are in the areas of Tepatitlan and Jalostotitlan. If you find any Ledesma or Deledesma in your lines, let me know.

Welcome to the group. Everyone here has been very helpful to me with their gracious suggestions and new ideas. This helps so much, especially when I am stuck on something! Just a little while back I was trying to translate a marriage document and was having trouble with the meanings of a few words, when lo and behold there is a posting about Latin words used alongside the Spanish in some baptisms and matrimonies. I am sure you will enjoy all the information that is on this site and all the history and cultural lessons we have on our posts.

Welcome

Laurie,

Myheritage does not index records. That site is useless for Mexican genealogy.

The best way to find more information on the parents of Jose Mena & Juana Valderrama is by continuing to look for the marriage records of their parents and baptisms and civil birth records of the siblings of José Mena and Juana Valderrama. The civil records have indexes a lot of times. Since Valderrama was sometimes spelled incorrectly as Balderrama you should look through the indexes for all of the Balderrama and Valderrama births and marriages.

I uploaded a spreadsheet with the page numbers of the indexes that I have found in the civil records of Lagos to https://www.dropbox.com/s/rysd5egkypoduzt/Lagos%20Civil.xlsx

The civil records of La Unión can be found at https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea…

Armando

Laurie

There is some guidance from the Family Search wiki at http://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Mexico_Civil_Registration

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

I found the civil record of the marriage of José Mena and Juana Valderrama using a file I have that has the page numbers of indexes of the civil records of Lagos.

They were married 1 Feb 1923.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-21238-36137-71?cc=1918187…

It states that José Mena was born in Unión de San Antonio, Jalisco on 19 Mar 1904. His parents were Jesús Mena and Juana López. Unión de San Antonio is a smaller town that is very close to Lagos and belonged to the jurisdiction of Lagos before becoming it's own town.

Juana Valderrama was born 24 June 1907. Her parents were Nabor Valderrama, deceased, and Jacinta Prado.

Armando

Hello Laurie,

You need to look for the baptisms or civil records of Guadalupe 1925 & Leopoldo 1926 since those records will have the names of the grandparents. Then you will be able to determine if you have the right José Mena.

The only other way to determine who the parents of your grandfather were is by finding the marriage record of José Mena & Juanita Valderrama.

Armando

Hola Sergio,

Te agradezco tus comentarios, haré todo lo posible por conseguir una copia desde México o espero llegar a encontrar ese libro de Memorias aquí. Sigo confiando en que mi tío revisó y verificó la obra de Don José Ignacio Dávila Garibi, sé de buena fuente que a él le gustaba corroborar con documentos originales pero darle crédito a quiénes descubrieron la información inicialmente. Además de haber sido contemporáneo de Don José Ignacio Dávila, quién debió facilitarle la identidad de las fuentes en que él se basó para el otro libro que él escribió. Aún así no está de más darle una checada con propios ojos a los documentos que cita.

Si no fuera mucha molestia te agradecería me compartieras: 1) La identidad de los padres de Doña María de Solís y Ochoa y 2) Datos sobre los hijos de Don Juan de la Cueva y Mora y Doña Rosalía Benavides Guido, en particular de Doña Juana Mauricia, Doña Margarita y Don Vicente que son de quiénes desciendo.

Por último, me gustaría saber si en el

Hola Sergio,

Te agradezco tus comentarios, haré todo lo posible por conseguir una copia desde México o espero llegar a encontrar ese libro de Memorias aquí. Sigo confiando en que mi tío revisó y verificó la obra de Don José Ignacio Dávila Garibi, sé de buena fuente que a él le gustaba corroborar con documentos originales pero darle crédito a quiénes descubrieron la información inicialmente. Además de haber sido contemporáneo de Don José Ignacio Dávila, quién debió facilitarle la identidad de las fuentes en que él se basó para el otro libro que él escribió. Aún así no está de más darle una checada con propios ojos a los documentos que cita.

Si no fuera mucha molestia te agradecería me compartieras: 1) La identidad de los padres de Doña María de Solís y Ochoa y 2) Datos sobre los hijos de Don Juan de la Cueva y Mora y Doña Rosalía Benavides Guido, en particular de Doña Juana Mauricia, Doña Margarita y Don Vicente que son de quiénes desciendo.

Por último, me gustaría saber si en el

Estimado colega,

Me encuentro muy contento de haber checado este sitio después de varias semanas y encontrarme con esta excelente noticia. Ya había dicho yo que seguramente mi tío había llegado a publicar muchos datos valiosos en la obra que mencionas. No dudo ni un poco que mi tío al publicar estos datos estuvo basado en fuentes primarias y confiables, todos los que llegaron a conocerle saben que era un hombre que siempre buscaba la verdad y nada más que la verdad como lo comprueban algunas de sus obras más famosas entre la que puedo citar "Los Corregidores Don Miguel Domínguez y Doña Josefa Ortiz y El Inicio de la Independencia" donde sacó a luz muchos documentos que probaron el verdadero linaje de los héroes de la independencia y el que dio más polémica fue el de Doña Josefa Ortiz, quién se creyó era criolla, resultaba que su abuela era mulata y además de un detalle muy curioso con respecto a la apariencia física que tenemos de la corregidora. En fin, creo que no hay duda en estos

Sergio,

Gracias por aportar estos datos importantísimos en nuestra genealogía. También desciendo de la misma familia Fernández de la Cueva en la provincia de Avalos, sólo que la mía termina ca. 1730 con Nicolás Fernández de la Cueva vecino del pueblo de Teocuitatlán de Corona. Su nieta Desideria y su esposo Guadalupe Méndez de Torres son mis quarto bisabuelos.

Ahora, tengo confianza en el trabajo de D. Gabriel Agraz García de Alba es muy respetado, más también solo porque una persona lo dice, no es facto. Lo que me preocupa son los fuentes. Dónde sacó los datos el Lic. Agraz? Siempre tenemos que comprobar por nosotros mismos los documentos. Sabes si D. Gabriel mencionó sus fuentes o fondo documentales donde los sacó en los libros?

Siempre encuentro errores (no todas las veces) que los genealogistas reconocidos hicieron. No les culpo, por falta de tecnología no eran tan avanzados como somos hoy en nuestra época. Esto dice que debemos avanzar mucho más en nuestros estudios

Edgar Olguin Diaz
buenos dias

un cordial saludo

queria haber si me podrian ayudar con una de mis lineas
que se apellidan beltran de la cueva
que son la siguiente:

maria antonia veltran de la cueba casada con juan jph muñoz de la barba
matrimonio 25 abril 1740 aguascalientes

juan beltran de la cueba casado con theresa macias valadez
matrimonio 03 septiembre 1709 aguascalientes

pedro de la cueba casado con elena beltran
ellos nacieron aproximadamente entre 1650 a 1660

la pregunta : este ultimo pedro de la cueba sera del mismo linaje de los beltran de la cueba que presentas en tu publicacion?

tendras alguna pista de esta pareja?

te lo agradeceria mucho
que tengas excelente dia
gracias por tu atencion
bye

Carlos Peredo

Les comparto un link de un archivo en que se detallan muchas generaciones descendientes de Don Pedro Cueva y Doña Carmona, ahí se relata una boda de María Fernández de la Cueva Mexía en Úbeda con el francés Hugo Beltrán alférez mayor de la cruzada en la batalla del Salado; estoy suponiendo que de allí surge el nombre esporádico de Beltrán entre los de la Cueva.

Aquí va el link
http://www.vbeda.com/gines/tomo2/b0094.pdf

Carlos Peredo

Respecto a Francisco de la Cueva Mendoza que llegó de España en compañía de su hermano Juan, encontré que compró unas tierras en Tlazazalca, Mich en 1579 y que el 19-feb-1583 recibió una merced de tierras en Purépero, Mich (jurisdicción de Tlazazalca) de manos del Virrey Lorenzo Suárez y Mendoza Conde de la Coruña. En Tlazazalca he visto mucho el apellido de la Cueva, así que son posibles descendientes de este Francisco.