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David Serna
Tengo esta familia en mi base de datos. Probablemente porque yo estaba esperando a encontrar la conexión con la familia Gallegos en Jaltiches, Santos o El Papanton.

Antonio Gallegos n. ABT 1807 esposo de Julia Romo; Hijo de Nepomuceno y esposa de Carmen Calvillo. El es la famila de mi padrino y buenos amigos de mi padre que cuenta 92 anos.
O Dioncicio "Nicho" Gallegos n. 1800 esposa de Jesus Perez. Tambien familia de mi papa. ¿Los tiene en su base de datos?
Voy a revisar este fin de semana..... que tenía pensando para dar atención a Matrimonios y Informacion Matrimonial si le da informacion del origen de la familia. Tal vez la revisión de otras familias Gallegos en San Felipe, Gto. le ayudará.

Mi familia es de La Serna, Esqueda, Perezchica, y Ibarra. Desde Media Luna, Las Moras, Mesa Grande, La Presa, Arroyo de Soto, y El Agostadero .... Mi base de datos tiene mas de 5000 personas.
  Buena suerte, David.

I have this family in my database. Probably

This is how I read this entry:

...con Victoriana Martinez, española de 32 años, natural de la Mesa
del Fraile y vecina de Juanacati[c] diez y seis años ha viuda de
primeras nuncias de D. Pedro Yanos Valdes, cuyo cuerpo esta sepultado
en esta parroquia cinco meses ya.

...with Victoriana Martinez, española (not that she was born in Spain,
but a designation to indicate pureza de sangre and "not Indian or
mixed blood")
of 32 years old, born at Mesa del Fraile (up near Zacatecas, in Mezquitic mcpo)
and neighbor (resident) of Juanactic for 16 years (one of the original
7 haciendas near Totatiche, dating from the 1590's)
widowed of her first church marriage to Don Pedro Yanos Valdes whose
body has been buried in this parish for five months now.

I'm kinda new at reading these old documents, but this is what I got from it.

I'm new to the group, too. Hi!

~Sandra

On 4/30/13, rvr_jr@msn.com wrote:
> My 4th great grandparents' marriage record:
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1

Rose,
I have a Carlos Lomelin born about 1584 in Genova, Genova, Italy and married to a Maria Benavides in about 1609, Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico. They had one daughter named Juana Lomelin who married Francisco Gutierrez Rubio about 1651, in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. Francisco was born about 1610 in Jalostotitlán, Jalisco.

Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg (Sacramento, CA)
fuccifeet@sbcglobal.net

Rose Hardy wrote:

Does anyone know of any books, websites, passenger ship records regarding Italians immigrating to Mexico say during the late 1500's to early 1800's? I've checked out the Archivos Espanoles En Red website: http://aer.mcu.es/sgae/index_aer.jsp to see if I could find my Italian ancestors who settled in Mexico, via Spain, but have come up with a big zero. I have a copy of the book " La Emigracion Castellana y Leonesa al Nuevo Mundo 1517-1700" by Maria del Carmen Martinez Martinez and nothing in there as well.

The surnames involved are Lomellin, Lomelli (Carlos

Rose,

Here is a quote from the prologue by Mariano Gonzalez Leal in the book, Los Duran de Nochistlan.

" Tambien hubo en Nochistlán, sangre Genovesa, como la de los Lavezzari-aqui conocidos por Lavezares, de quienes atrás hemos hablado-y la de los Lomellini -aqui reputados Lomelines-, Carlos de Lomelin, a quien en la Relacion del siglo XVII se le hace, curiosamente, español de los Reinos de Genova, procedia de una de las siete Casas Nobles de Génova, y fue estanciero próspero en Mexticacán. Establecido alli por 1624, casó con doña Maria de Benavides, descendiente del viejo linaje Nochistlense de ese apellido, habiendo nacido de alli cinco vástagos: Gaspar, Carlos, Juana, Domingo y Maria.

Juana casó en Nochistlán el 12 de Septiembre de 1621 con Rodrigo de Carbajal y Ulloa; y viuda, pasó a segundas nupcias con el Jalostitlense Don Francisco Gutiérrez de Hermosillo, hijo del capitán Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio y de Doña Leonor de Hermosillo. Por estas vias, gran parte de

I use Geneanet.org. The free version is pretty powerful and easy to use, you can upload/download your full gedcom files, it creates very useful lists, charts, maps, privacy is completely customizable, and my favorite part is the custom graphic trees (some are beautiful!). The site works in many different languages at the selection from a drop-down box. You get alerts for matches among other geneanet trees and even for connections in other databases. The site is developed/managed in France and so is all originally in French, but again, use the drop-down selection to choose English, Spanish, etc, 10 languages in all. I like using it very much, check it out and see if it'll suit your needs.

Sandra Velez

ancestry.com is excellent. It's free and you can make it private if you want to, I let's you invite family/friends and upload photos, create stories, videos, and add citations such as baptisms, marriages, deaths.

Jose Carlos de Leon

Hi Mia

Francisco Xavier de Medina married Francisca Bernales in
Aguascalientes on 11 Jun 1732. According to the marriage document he is the son
of Francisco de Medina and Doña Antonia Laredo de Sotomayor:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11605-22954-49?cc=1502404&…
 
Francisco de Medina married Doña Antonia Laredo de Sotomayor
in Aguascalientes on 20 Jan 1702. According to the marriage record, Francisco
de Medina is the son of Cristobal de Medina and Maria de Avila. Doña Antonia
Laredo de Sotomayor is the daughter of Captain Juan Laredo de Sotomayor and Doña
Juana de Laris:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11671-66481-86?cc=1502404&…
 
Captain Juan Laredo de Sotomayor married Doña Juana de Laris
in Aguascalientes on 14 Nov 1667. They seemed to travel between San Luis Potosi
and Aguascalientes since some children were baptized in Aguascalientes and some
in San Luis Potosi, including Doña

Tecomatlán es un rancho que está situado en la parroquia de ZAPOTLANEJO, pero también aparece en los registros de Tototlán, Poncitlán, y hasta a veces Tepatitlán u Ocotlán. Está entre Zapo, Tepa, Ponci y Toto, y por eso a veces aparece en los archivos de los cuatro pueblos. Tototlán es una tragedia genealógica porque como ya sabes, hubo una pérdida total de muchísimos archivos parroquiales, cosa que casi imposibilita la investigación genealógica.

En Zapotlanejo existieron diversas ramas de la familia Lomelín, y seguido aparecen en los archivos parroquiales de Zapo. Estos Lomelines vinieron de las ramas originarias de Nochistlán/Mexticacán, y por tal son descendientes de Carlos de Lomelín (Carlo Lomellini). Luego se asentaron en LOS MORALES, entre Ocotlán y Tototlán. Ya después, en las próximas generaciones se trasladaron a Tecomatlán y otros puestos cercanos.

Busca en ZAPOTLANEJO. Antes de los 1830, los matrimonios no están indexados pero algunos bautismos sí. Tendrás que

Harry Mercado

I too descend from this lively place, wherever it is.

The baptismal record of my 3rd ggrandmother, Maria Guadelupe Luna on 21 Sept, 1762 in Tepechitlan notes that the parents, Calletano de Luna and Barbara de Hererra were residents of this Rancho. Her father's name is variously listed phonetically as Cayetano or Caetano.

Gus, Thank you for this great information, and for taking the time to share your research. No need to apologize for a late response, this is all valuable information for me. Also, I have several branches of Miramontes. I shall check it out.
Gracias, /hs

gusmeza wrote: To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
From: gusmeza
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:39:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho del Muerto-12 Feb 2006 Posting Revisited

I was reviewing a 12 Feb 2006 posting regarding Santos Luna's question of the whereabouts of Rancho del Muerto. I did not read it then and apologize for this late response. I ran across what I believe is probably the same rancho referred to as simply "el Muerto" in the margin of a Tepechitlan baptismal manuscript dated 11 Aug 1776. That year Josepha Dominga Luna Miramontes was baptized. The parents were Antonio Miramontes and Victoria de Luna.

I can't answer the question of where this rancho is located but the reason I researched this

David Serna I have about 20 in my database all from the Calvillo, Ags Area.

Where is your family from ?

David,

I descend from the Frausto. I have found originally it was espanol, but due to the mixture they went from mestizo, etc. They populated heavily in Huejucar (Calvillo) and the surrounding reagions. Please feel free to email me.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

Antonio Frausto is the widow of Paulina Martínez, who was buried two years earlier. This is the common format for this kind of record.

I believe the place name is "Río de Ajojúcar", (accents added) which I think is just east of Villa Hidalgo in Teocaltiche. There was an hacienda Ajojúcar in the same vicinity, and Guia Roji has a modern day village of San Ajojúcar.

As for the alias ... names changed for so many reasons it may be fruitless to even guess.

Stuart Armstrong

Juan Diaz de Leon

Primera generación

1. Juan Diaz de Leon nació en 1591 en Pinos, Jalisco, Mexico.

Juan se casó con Francisca de Ortega. Francisca nació en Pinos, Jalisco, Mexico.

Ellos tuvieron los hijos siguientes:

2 M i. Pedro Diaz de Leon y Ortega nació aproximadamente en 1618.

+ 3 M ii. Juan Diaz de Leon nació aproximadamente en 1620.

4 F iii. Maria Diaz de Leon y Ortega nació estimado 1620.
Maria se casó con Hedrnan Perez de Moxica.

+ 5 F iv. Antonia Diaz de Leon y Ortega nació estimado 1619.

6 M v. Luis Diaz de Leon y Ortega nació estimado 1621.

7 M vi. Antonio Diaz de Leon y Ortega nació el 26 Mayo 1621 en Pinos.

8 M vii. Joseph Diaz de Leon y Ortega nació el 13 Junio 1630 en Pinos.

Segunda generación

3. Juan Diaz de Leon (Juan) nació aproximadamente en 1620.

Juan se casó (1) Juana Trujillo y Tavera.

Ellos tuvieron los hijos siguientes:

+ 9 M i. Nicolas Diaz de Leon y Trujillo.

10 M ii. Juan Diaz de Leon y Trujillo.
Juan se casó con Lorenza de Loza

Alfonso Reynoso Rábago

Claudia:

Aunque quizá ya conozcas esta serie de artículos sobre los negros jaliscienses, de todos modos te envío las referencias. Todos los artículos están en el número 49 de la Revista Estudios Jaliscienses de El Colegio de Jalisco.

Estudios Jaliscienses, número 49
Los afrojaliscienses
Zapopan: El Colegio de Jalisco. 2002, Agosto. 63 p.
(Revista trimestral)
· Andrés Fábregas Puig. Introducción.
· Celina Guadalupe Becerra. Población africana en una sociedad ranchera.
· Mario Alberto Nájera. Los afrojaliscienses.
· Álvaro Ochoa Serrano. Un acercamiento a afrobarquenses en los lejanos XVII y XVIII.
· Romina Martínez. Algunas notas sobre la fuga de esclavos en Nueva Galicia.

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Por mi parte, he hecho algunas exploraciones sobre la ancestría y el mestizaje en los Altos de Jalisco, aunque todavía no he publicado nada sobre el asunto. De acuerdo con una muestra, he encontrado que el perfil genético de los niños bautizados en las parroquias de Tepatitlán y

There's no clear cut answer to your questions but here are a few scenarios.

All of us see the same situations, different surnames but same circumstances within our family groups. There are several things occurring when families inter-marry.

1. These families, the Jauregui's and the Lomeli's or Lomelini's lived within very close proximity of each other.
2. Both of these families, the Lomeli's and the Jauregui's were for the most part, Espanoles and usually they wanted their children to marry only Espanoles.
3. There were only a couple of handfuls of Spanish families in each community or Rancho.

4. Courting was strictly supervised by the parents, in many cases, the parents decided whom their daughters could court. I don't say date because dating was for the most part, non-existent. The groom to be's parents would visit the bride to be's parents to ask for her hand in marriage, meaning that they had to approve and ensure that the bride or the groom came from an approved family.
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Hi-

It is so helpful to see such a comprehensive trail of where the family came and went along with why they went where they did. I just recently found a connection to the Ornelas as I am directly related on my maternal grandmother's side to the Diaz de Sandi line below who married into the Ornelas Villasenor line.

Juana Díaz de Sandi y Tejeda[1] de los Monteros. Contrajo matrimonio con Francisco Tello de Lomas. abt. 1680

Miguel Díaz Montañez[2] fue hijo de Diego Montañez y de Jacinta Carrillo de Sandi.

Caso con María Tejeda de los Monteros, abt. 1650 hija legítima de Nicolás Tejeda de los Monteros y de Galavíz y de María de Ornelas Villaseñor.

Does the Ornelas Villasenor line tie into any Ornelas line that you have?

Thanks,

David,

Romo de Vivar is a compound surname. The patriarch of this family was Diego Romo de Vivar born 12 March 1589 in Rielves, Toledo, Castilla-La Mancha. He married María Rangel Peguero in somewhere in Mexico and they settled down in Aguascalientes and their descendants spread to different parts of Jalisco including Lagos de Moreno. Many of us, including myself multiple times, descend from Diego Romo de Vivar.

El Cid Campeador, named Rodrigo Díaz, was supposedly born in Vivar, Burgos, España and it is why he is called Rodrigo Díaz de Vivar. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigo_D%C3%ADaz_de_Vivar#Nacimiento

We have yet to learn of where the Romo de Vivar surname originates but it is very likely Diego Romo de Vivar had an ancestor that was from Vivar, Burgos. I doubt that there is any relation to El Cid Campeador.

I have not been able to find the paternal grandparents of Isabel Romo de Vivar but there is a dispensa for her parents - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413

Wow! Very interesting. I like those books of people that traveled inside Mexico during those time periods. Also some of them made paintings as they traveled.

Is this the book?

Life in Mexico by Madame Calderón de la Barca

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/9364

Rosalinda