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Matrimonios 1752 of Huejuquilla Curious about the drawing of bird in book

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I am still trying to find the defunto record of my great great great great granfather Francisco Madera whose wife is Maria Leocadia De Huizar.

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Published by Denise Hernand… – Mon, 2014-06-02 11:37 | Permalink

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Here is another bird, this time with a baptism. However, i wonder if it is a calligraphy exercise? Looks a little like a glyph, just the bird's head and some lines or letters under it. Hope someone will take a look. The person in the entry is not on my tree, i am just plain curious.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18744-23591-19?cc=1883388&wc…

Regards
Denise

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That one I've seen somewhere else, I just can't recall where, I even remember a discussion about it. I think in this case is a symbol, the glyph, the three "birds" over horizontal lines, and in the bottom the hand pointing at the year.

RJ Quiralte

Published by RJQ – Fri, 2014-05-30 07:39 | Permalink

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Those drawings are based on calligraphy exercises, you may come across many more, dragons, griffins, lions, etc. They used it to decorate the books, but they learned them at their writing lessons.

RJ Quiralte

Published by MADERA_32 – Fri, 2014-05-30 11:03 | Permalink

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Thanks RJ, They are so artistic that I wish they could have made a sketch of the village back in those days.

Published by MADERA_32 – Fri, 2014-05-30 11:03 | Permalink

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Thanks RJ, They are so artistic that I wish they could have made a sketch of the village back in those days.

Published by RJQ – Mon, 2014-06-02 09:46 | Permalink

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They were in deed good at their writing, but I doubt they could actually draw other than the calligraphy ornamentation, in either case ink and paper was a bit of a luxury still, therefore those (like the bird) are nice findings among the records.

RJ Quiralte

"Le Pasaron Por Las Armas"

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While researching my paternal side, I came across a list of over 20 men and it just says, "Le pasaron por las armas" I looked for a translation it appears that all these men were executed under a firi

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Published by ssales1984 – Sun, 2014-06-01 19:13 | Permalink

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Hi Ruben,

Like Gil said it means they were executed by firing squad. I have found similar occurences in Autlán in 1811-1813. In Autlán is says the ones there were executed "pasados por las Armas del Rey," which more clearly indicates that they were Insurgentes, executed by royalist soldiers. Interestingly, among the victims there were members of all castes, including Spaniards. It also lists their widows.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18536-72-51?cc=1874591&wc=MC…

I have also found documents where people were killed by Insurgents. I will try to find it.

These documents give us a different picture than the one sometimes fostered by textbooks. These scenes are what everyday people saw and experienced.

Keep it up!

Sergio Salés

Published by Gil – Sun, 2014-06-01 20:14 | Permalink

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Gil Ramirez wrote:
War of Mexican Independence 1810-1821. Would be interesting to find out which side the 20 men were fighting for. My Great grandfather x6 sided with the Spanish Royal Crown. He was Teniente de Justicia and Comandante de Armas. I can't say he was a soldier because I cannot find a document indicating that. He was killed by the Insurgency in 1812. There were 8 others who died with him on the same day, each one of them with their own entry in the list of Difunciones.

Teniente de Justicia, Comandante de Armas

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Gil Ramirez wrote:

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Published by oldcar53 – Sun, 2014-06-01 18:16 | Permalink

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Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
Per the on-line dictionary, this is what I found under teniente, but I didn't find teniente de justicia. It could be a police lieutenant, not a military lieutenant.

teniente
A. - noun masculine and feminine
tenienta SF a veces
1. (military) lieutenant , first lieutenant United States
·teniente coronel lieutenant colonel
·teniente de navío lieutenant
·teniente general lieutenant general
2. (=ayudante) deputy , assistant
·teniente de alcalde deputy mayor
·teniente fiscal assistant prosecutor
B. - adjective
·estar teniente >
** to be deaf

Published by MADERA_32 – Fri, 2014-05-30 17:29 | Permalink

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I am curious Gil Ramirez. What is the Comandante De Armas?

Because as I was looking through defunto records of our village of Huejuquilla. I found someone who was the "Comandante De Armas" of our village:

His name is "Chris Santos Gonzalez, Espanol" was 60 years old when he passed away in 1820. And it says "Comandante de Armas de este pueblo"

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2a5k7rr.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-52486-18?cc=1874591&wc…

Also in 1814:

"Capitan Don Ignacio Martinez De Murguia" where he was 56 years old, passed away from hidropecia. Left his money to be divided up into the poor. He passed away at "La Hacienda De San Antonio De Padua" under the jurisidiction of our village "Huejuquilla El Alto" in Jalisco Mexico in 1814.

I am not sure what else it says about "esposa?"

I made copy and tried to fit it into one page:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/xgf7kn.jpg

Source starts at bottom of left page then continues on top of right page:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-51805-7?cc=1874591&wc=…

Defunto of "Unknown" assalted in Hacienda De San Antonio in 1811

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I saw this one on someone who is 23 years of age that was assalted, "taila una bala en la barriga" it happened in the Hacienda of San Antonio in 1811. He seemed to be from the Rancho De La Cienega.

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Published by julietamartha – Thu, 2014-05-29 05:30 | Permalink

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Zacatecano

This unknown man just run away from the battle in the Hacienda de San
Antonio, the one you related before when you read that 14 people died in the
Guerra. It was the same day and the same battle. He arrived to rancho la
Cienega where he died. they don’t even know which army he belongs to (
realistas or independentistas) . this records do History !!!!

julietamartha

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Antonio in 1811

I saw this one on someone who is 23 years of age that was assalted, "taila
una bala en la barriga" it happened in the Hacienda of San Antonio in 1811.
He seemed to be from the Rancho De La Cienega. Can't tell what else the
writing talks about:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/157krk7.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-51764-15?cc=1874591&wc…
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Thank you Julieta! I did not pay attention to those two defunto records of the 14 that passed away on July 1, 1811 and the other person from Rancho Cienega that also passed away on July 1, 1811 at the Hacienda of San Antonio! On the same day and a war was recorded on the defunto of the 14 that passed away.

I am going to have to note myself to go back to the defunto records and browsed each and everyone on July 1, 1811. Seems like there was a battle at The Hacienda of San Antonio. That Hacienda is the Hacienda that is the closet to Huejuquilla and the ranchos. I am familiar with the area since it is our town. The Hacienda is about only 10 minutes by car. The other Haciendas such as "San Mateo" that was owned by Don Fernando De La Campa y Cos is about 40 minutes on car. Hacienda San Mateo is farther away.

Published by MADERA_32 – Tue, 2014-05-27 20:04 | Permalink

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Here is another one that is interesting. Instead of creating new topics I may try to put in an existing topic. But this defunto that was a resident of our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico was originally from Cabezon De Liebana, Spain and his name is "Don Mateo De La Madrid" that was 79 years old:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/2quucuv.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-51255-17?cc=1874591&wc…

Cabezon De Liebana is in Northern Spain, the place of his origin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabezon_de_Liebana

Published by MADERA_32 – Tue, 2014-05-27 20:03 | Permalink

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Here is another one that is interesting. Instead of creating new topics I may try to put in an existing topic. But this defunto that was a resident of our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico was originally from Cabezon De Liebana and his name is "Don Mateo De La Madrid" that was 79 years old:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/2quucuv.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-51255-17?cc=1874591&wc…

Manuel Robalcava/Juana Mendoza

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In the 1679 Padron for Jalostotitlan/San Juan de los Lagos, there is a Francisco Robalcava and Isabel Avalos with three other names of (Manuel), Joseph, and Juan Robalcava.

Defunto of "Capitan Don Ignacio Martinez De Murguia" 1814 San Antonio De Padua De Huejuquilla

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Found something here. It is the defunto of "Capitan Don Ignacio Martinez De Murguia" where he was 56 years old, passed away from hidropecia. Left his money to be divided up into the poor.

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Published by MADERA_32 – Wed, 2014-05-28 18:42 | Permalink

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I found this one that is very interesting of a woman by the name of Juana Getrudiz Ramirez, "Espanola" of our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico that passed away in the year 1805 and was 120 years old! "Hizo su disposicion testamentria ante el Capitan "Don Jose Ignacio Martinez De Murguia"

Since she was 120 years old in 1805 would mean she was born in the year 1685!

http://oi60.tinypic.com/21afkgm.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-53054-18?cc=1874591&wc…

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Another interesting person that seems to have something to do with the military of our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico.

His name is "Chris Santos Gonzalez, Espanol" was 60 years old when he passed away in 1820. And it says "Comandante de Armas de este pueblo"

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2a5k7rr.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-52486-18?cc=1874591&wc…

Relatives or Paisanos from Union de San Antonio municipality (Jalisco)

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Hello... I am new to site and am starting to do some serious research on my lineage. To start I just wanted to know if there are any fellow relatives or paisanos from the Union de San Antonio area (Tlacuitapan, San Jose de los Reynoso, San Julian, San Miguel el Alto etc.,).

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Published by Rodriguez de Frias – Fri, 2008-03-14 13:15 | Permalink

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Juan,

Aquí Valle de Guadalupe presente. Tu vives en Union de San Antonio o solo
eres de ahí? Tengo muy pocos ancestros que vienen de por aquellos rumbos,
pero si tengo algunos, sobre todo de San Diego de Alejandria, donde sospecho
que de por ahí puede ser mi línea paternal Rodríguez. Tengo algunos Marquez
en mi archivo, quizás coincidamos en algunos de ellos. Los apellidos con los
que estoy también mas relacionados son (en orden cronológico) Rodriguez,
Camarena, Gonzalez, Martin del Campo, de la Torre, Valdivia, Franco,
Hernandez, Valadez, Plascencia, Navarro, entre muchos otros.

Hasta luego,

Ricardo Rodríguez
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

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Hello... I am new to site and am starting to do some serious research on my
lineage. To start I just wanted to know if there are any fellow relatives
or paisanos from the Union de San Antonio area (Tlacuitapan, San Jose de los
Reynoso, San Julian, San Miguel el Alto etc.,).

The surnames in my extended family are Marquez, Martin, Martinez, Martin del
Campo, Ramirez, Munoz. If we include in-laws then we can add Reynoso, Loza,
Alaniz & Lopez.

Saludos, so nuevo en este sitio y apenas comienzo con una investigacion
rigurosa. Para empezar, quisiera saber si hay parientes o paisanos del
municipio Union de San Antonio (Tlacuitapan, San Jose de los Reynoso, San
Julian, San Miguel el Alto etc.,)

Los apellidos en mi familia incluyen Marquez, Martin, Martinez, Martin del
Campo, Ramirez y Munoz. Si le anadimos los emparentados tambien hablamos de
Reynoso, Loza, Alaniz y Lopez.

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Saludos Ricardo,

Ojala seamos parientas para que me puedas conseguir unas botellas de Casa de Piedra or algun Cabernet de Monte Xanic.. no es broma.

Yo vivo en la Alta California, naci en el D.F. pero mis padres son de Tlacuitpan y San Jose de los Reynoso.

Por los apellidos en tu archivo quiza coincidamos en los Marquez o r Martin del Campo. Tienes un link a tu arbol genealogico?

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Saludos Juan,

Yo naci en California pero ahora vivo en Valle de Guadalupe. Todos mis
ancestros recientes son de esta bellísima región de Los Altos, sobre todo de
San Miguel, Jalos, Capilla de Guadalupe, Cerro Gordo y por supuesto Valle.

Aun no tengo un árbol en internet pero pronto lo tendre.

En que parte de California vives?

Saludos,

Ricardo

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Saludos Ricardo,

Ojala seamos parientas para que me puedas conseguir unas botellas de Casa de
Piedra or algun Cabernet de Monte Xanic.. no es broma.

Yo vivo en la Alta California, naci en el D.F. pero mis padres son de
Tlacuitpan y San Jose de los Reynoso.

Por los apellidos en tu archivo quiza coincidamos en los Marquez o r Martin
del Campo. Tienes un link a tu arbol genealogico?

Published by chilerey54 – Fri, 2008-03-14 13:00 | Permalink

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Hola Juan ,como estas ? Ojala que bien. Yo te seguro que somos parientes mil veces. My name is Ronnie Reynoso,my grandparents on both sides are from the area of San Julian.Mis apellidos incluye Reynoso,Hermosillo,Perez,Padilla,Magana,Marquez,Martin del Campo,Portillo,Escoto,Gutierrez,de la Torre ledesma,Alvarez Tostado,Munoz,Garcia,Ramirez ect.
IF I was a betting man you are related
Ronnie Reynoso pariente acasi todos de Los Altos> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: jmarquez6@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:38:44 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Relatives or Paisanos from Union de San Antonio municipality (Jalisco)> > > Hello... I am new to site and am starting to do some serious research on my lineage. To start I just wanted to know if there are any fellow relatives or paisanos from the Union de San Antonio area (Tlacuitapan, San Jose de los Reynoso, San Julian, San Miguel el Alto etc.,). > > The surnames in my extended family are Marquez, Martin, Martinez, Martin del Campo, Ramirez, Munoz. If we include in-laws then we can add Reynoso, Loza, Alaniz & Lopez.> > > Saludos, so nuevo en este sitio y apenas comienzo con una investigacion rigurosa. Para empezar, quisiera saber si hay parientes o paisanos del municipio Union de San Antonio (Tlacuitapan, San Jose de los Reynoso, San Julian, San Miguel el Alto etc.,)> > Los apellidos en mi fam
ilia incluyen Marquez, Martin, Martinez, Martin del Campo, Ramirez y Munoz. Si le anadimos los emparentados tambien hablamos de Reynoso, Loza, Alaniz y Lopez.> > > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

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Ronnie,

I sincerely hope not to insult anybody here, but honestly we are more inbred than Apalachians its a small area, and there isn't much population movement.

Its very nice to meet you, although given all the stories I've heard whenever you put people from Tlacuitapan & San Julian in the same room there is bound to be a brawl!

In any case... here are some of my relatives names (also for Sofia's comparison)... as well as where they resided most of their lives.

Armando Marquez Ramirez (Rancho near Tlacuitapan)
Francisco Martinez (Tlacuitapan proper)
Miguel Marquez (San Jose de los Reynoso)
Maria Ramirez de Marquez (San Jose de los Reynoso)
Juan Marquez Munoz (San Jose de los Reynoso)
Maria de la Luz Martin (San Jose de los Reynoso)

Also, Ronnie I don't know if you are related to the Reynoso from San Jose (they are the big landholders in the area) but Ezequiel Reynoso (he was in his early 80's and lived in Los Angeles) just passed away.

Regards,

Juan

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Hola Juan ,yea its a fact my family is so inbred its not funny. My Reynoso line via Jalos. All the Reynosos descend from 2 brothers Francisco and Diego Reynoso ,parents were Francisco Reynoso (peru) and Mariana Padilla Davila ,who married 2 sisters Josefa and Margarita Renteria. Francisco Reynoso and Josefa Renteria stayed in Jalisco and Diego Reynoso and Margarita Renteria stayed in Zacatecas. my Line of Reynoso are the same as San Jose de Los Reynoso. I'm in contact with a New primo que se llama Rogelio Loza Reynoso who was from San Jose de los Reynoso.It took us about 2 years and made the connection . The Main founder of San Jose de Los Reynoso was Castulo Reynoso who was grandson to my 5th grt- grandfather. Now there is more relationship to my 5th grtgrandfather but to make it simple. I tell people that my ancestors make the apalachian people seem normal. All the people of San Jose are related and any body in the surrounding area(me included). I have been to San Jose an
d met my dads 2nd cousins via Padilla side .
Ronnie Reynoso pariente acasi todos de Los Altos> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: jmarquez6@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:28:32 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pariente de Todos> > > Ronnie,> > I sincerely hope not to insult anybody here, but honestly we are more inbred than Apalachians its a small area, and there isn't much population movement.> > Its very nice to meet you, although given all the stories I've heard whenever you put people from Tlacuitapan & San Julian in the same room there is bound to be a brawl!> > In any case... here are some of my relatives names (also for Sofia's comparison)... as well as where they resided most of their lives.> > Armando Marquez Ramirez (Rancho near Tlacuitapan)> Francisco Martinez (Tlacuitapan proper)> Miguel Marquez (San Jose de los Reynoso)> Maria Ramirez de Marquez (San Jose de los Reynoso)> Juan Marquez Munoz (San Jose de los Reynoso)> Maria de la Luz Martin (San Jose de los Reynoso)> > > Also, Ronnie I don
't know if you are related to the Reynoso from San Jose (they are the big landholders in the area) but Ezequiel Reynoso (he was in his early 80's and lived in Los Angeles) just passed away.> > Regards,> > Juan> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

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Ronnie,

All I can say is I am so glad to not be the only from such an inbred family.

So that is interesting, I have heard my dad mention Rogelio Loza Reynoso (the Loza's are the other big family from San Jose).

In Los Angeles, I have some Loza relatives but they all grew up in East L.A. In particular, I remember a lady name Rita Loza who is married to an Anglo with a German surname Jim Whit or some similar name.

As I think about it... I believe Rogelio might be related to Rita... any such info?

I am very glad to meet you, I am currently writing an essay on Mexican cuisine and will be writing a small "ethnography" on Union de San Antonio based on an "interview" of my parents.

One of the stories I have heard from San Jose relatives, is that the Reynoso family name comes from Extramadura and was christined to a faithful family that assisted the Spanish crown during the Inquisition. Given the high association of Sephardic roots among people with Portugese-ish last names (Trevino, Cardozo etc.,)... I was wondering what you know about the Reynoso origin... is there a "marrano" association etc.,

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Hola Juan ,well the only thing I know about the Jewish religion connection is that one of my ancestors via a Padilla Davila ancestor - its not a padilla line but one of their grandparents ,I think you can find it in the book Retonos de Nueva Galicia which has a family chart of my ancestor.Other than that I have no knowledge of any Jewish connection. My Grtgrandmothers people were registered in La Union de San Antonio-Portillo,Escoto,Anaya, Hernandez and Vera. The Anayas were classified Indios according to baptismal records.
Ronnie Reynoso parientes acasi todos de Los Altos
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: jmarquez6@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:46:13 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pariente de Todos> > > Ronnie,> > All I can say is I am so glad to not be the only from such an inbred family.> > So that is interesting, I have heard my dad mention Rogelio Loza Reynoso (the Loza's are the other big family from San Jose). > > In Los Angeles, I have some Loza relatives but they all grew up in East L.A. In particular, I remember a lady name Rita Loza who is married to an Anglo with a German surname Jim Whit or some similar name.> > As I think about it... I believe Rogelio might be related to Rita... any such info?> > > I am very glad to meet you, I am currently writing an essay on Mexican cuisine and will be writing a small "ethnography" on Union de San Antonio based on an "interview" of my parents. > > One of the stories I have heard from San Jose relatives, is that the Reynoso family name comes from Extramadura and was c
hristined to a faithful family that assisted the Spanish crown during the Inquisition. Given the high association of Sephardic roots among people with Portugese-ish last names (Trevino, Cardozo etc.,)... I was wondering what you know about the Reynoso origin... is there a "marrano" association etc.,> > > > > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

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Thanks Ronnie... I bet the Anayas in your family are the same branch as the Anaya's in Tlacuitapan whose descendants are the only ones that still possess Artisinal & deep agricultural know how.

I believe some of them are in L.A. and own the mini restaurant chain Birrieria La Barca... which by the way is outstanding.

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Hola Juan ,my ancestor Anaya are from year more or less 1807Ronnie> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: jmarquez6@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:08:06 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pariente de Todos> > > Thanks Ronnie... I bet the Anayas in your family are the same branch as the Anaya's in Tlacuitapan whose descendants are the only ones that still possess Artisinal & deep agricultural know how.> > > I believe some of them are in L.A. and own the mini restaurant chain Birrieria La Barca... which by the way is outstanding.> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

Published by Sofia – Fri, 2008-03-14 12:47 | Permalink

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Hi,
I have Ramirez, Muñoz, Marquez and Martinez. If you could put some names and dates to see if they are the same.

Sofia

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Hola,

Here are some names... any matches?

Armando Marquez Ramirez (Rancho near Tlacuitapan) born circa 1935
Francisco Martinez (Tlacuitapan proper) born circa 1900
Miguel Marquez (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1900
Maria Ramirez de Marquez (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1910
Juan Marquez Munoz (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1900
Maria de la Luz Martin (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1910

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This is interesting. My grandmother was named Maria de la Luz Martin.
I do not know where she was born, but she lived in Jalos. She married
Nicolas De La Torre. Could this be the same Maria de la Luz Martin?

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Hola,

Here are some names... any matches?

Armando Marquez Ramirez (Rancho near Tlacuitapan) born circa 1935
Francisco Martinez (Tlacuitapan proper) born circa 1900
Miguel Marquez (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1900
Maria Ramirez de Marquez (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1910
Juan Marquez Munoz (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1900
Maria de la Luz Martin (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1910

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Felix, is this Nicolas de la Torre still living in Jalos b abt 1920, he was my mothers uncle and I have a lot of info on De LA Torre
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This is interesting. My grandmother was named Maria de la Luz Martin.
I do not know where she was born, but she lived in Jalos. She married
Nicolas De La Torre. Could this be the same Maria de la Luz Martin?

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Hola,

Here are some names... any matches?

Armando Marquez Ramirez (Rancho near Tlacuitapan) born circa 1935
Francisco Martinez (Tlacuitapan proper) born circa 1900
Miguel Marquez (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1900
Maria Ramirez de Marquez (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1910
Juan Marquez Munoz (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1900
Maria de la Luz Martin (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1910

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Yes. He is alive and born I believe about 1917. He remarried a woman
from Arandas. I hope this is the same De La Torre because I have had a
difficult time finding any information on my father's side of the
family. I thought that Nicolas De La Torre's father was named Sisto,
too.

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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Miggy
GUTIERREZ
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:43 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

Felix, is this Nicolas de la Torre still living in Jalos b abt 1920, he
was my mothers uncle and I have a lot of info on De LA Torre
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix De La Torre
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
;
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

This is interesting. My grandmother was named Maria de la Luz Martin.
I do not know where she was born, but she lived in Jalos. She married
Nicolas De La Torre. Could this be the same Maria de la Luz Martin?

-----Original Message-----
From:
research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Juan
Marquez
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:32 PM
To:
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

Hola,

Here are some names... any matches?

Armando Marquez Ramirez (Rancho near Tlacuitapan) born circa 1935
Francisco Martinez (Tlacuitapan proper) born circa 1900
Miguel Marquez (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1900
Maria Ramirez de Marquez (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1910
Juan Marquez Munoz (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1900
Maria de la Luz Martin (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1910

Comment

By the way, here is a link you will enjoy. It has quite a few historic
photographs of Jalostotitlan.
http://www.jalosjalisco.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Felix
De La Torre
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:54 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

Yes. He is alive and born I believe about 1917. He remarried a woman
from Arandas. I hope this is the same De La Torre because I have had a
difficult time finding any information on my father's side of the
family. I thought that Nicolas De La Torre's father was named Sisto,
too.

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Miggy
GUTIERREZ
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:43 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

Felix, is this Nicolas de la Torre still living in Jalos b abt 1920, he
was my mothers uncle and I have a lot of info on De LA Torre
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix De La Torre
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
;
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

This is interesting. My grandmother was named Maria de la Luz Martin.
I do not know where she was born, but she lived in Jalos. She married
Nicolas De La Torre. Could this be the same Maria de la Luz Martin?

-----Original Message-----
From:
research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Juan
Marquez
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:32 PM
To:
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

Hola,

Here are some names... any matches?

Armando Marquez Ramirez (Rancho near Tlacuitapan) born circa 1935
Francisco Martinez (Tlacuitapan proper) born circa 1900
Miguel Marquez (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1900
Maria Ramirez de Marquez (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1910
Juan Marquez Munoz (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1900
Maria de la Luz Martin (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1910

Comment

Felix, I made some calls. this is the Same Nicolas de la Torre. His first wife was Maria de la Luz martin daughter of Celso Martin & Tia Cuca Perez daughter of Casimiro Perez. Nicolas was my Granfather Merced de la Torre first cousin. son of Sisto whose brother was my great Grandfather Abraham de la Torre b-1856.. Gg was Jose Bentura de Jesus b-July 13, 1817 Santa ana married to Maria Feliciana de Jesus Alvarez b-Nov 27, 1822 Cañada Onda, jalos-- there is more if you need -- I found that Nicolas has brothers Lucio-Antonio-Lalo-Cleofas
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix De La Torre
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

By the way, here is a link you will enjoy. It has quite a few historic
photographs of Jalostotitlan.
http://www.jalosjalisco.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Felix
De La Torre
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:54 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

Yes. He is alive and born I believe about 1917. He remarried a woman
from Arandas. I hope this is the same De La Torre because I have had a
difficult time finding any information on my father's side of the
family. I thought that Nicolas De La Torre's father was named Sisto,
too.

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Miggy
GUTIERREZ
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:43 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

Felix, is this Nicolas de la Torre still living in Jalos b abt 1920, he
was my mothers uncle and I have a lot of info on De LA Torre
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix De La Torre>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
;
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
.com>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

This is interesting. My grandmother was named Maria de la Luz Martin.
I do not know where she was born, but she lived in Jalos. She married
Nicolas De La Torre. Could this be the same Maria de la Luz Martin?

-----Original Message-----
From:
research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
.nuestrosranchos.org>
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Juan
Marquez
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:32 PM
To:
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
.com>
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

Hola,

Here are some names... any matches?

Armando Marquez Ramirez (Rancho near Tlacuitapan) born circa 1935
Francisco Martinez (Tlacuitapan proper) born circa 1900
Miguel Marquez (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1900
Maria Ramirez de Marquez (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1910
Juan Marquez Munoz (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1900
Maria de la Luz Martin (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1910

Comment

That is it. It is the same family. I remember my Tio Lucio very well. Nicolas also had another brother that I knew as my Tio Chayo (Rosario) who lived in Ashland, Oregon. He died about 10 or so years ago. This is fantastic information. Miggy, my email is fdelatorre@unioncounsel.net if you would like to correspond with me directly and not tie up this site. I would love to learn more about the De La Torre side of my family.

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Miggy GUTIERREZ
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:25 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

Felix, I made some calls. this is the Same Nicolas de la Torre. His first wife was Maria de la Luz martin daughter of Celso Martin & Tia Cuca Perez daughter of Casimiro Perez. Nicolas was my Granfather Merced de la Torre first cousin. son of Sisto whose brother was my great Grandfather Abraham de la Torre b-1856.. Gg was Jose Bentura de Jesus b-July 13, 1817 Santa ana married to Maria Feliciana de Jesus Alvarez b-Nov 27, 1822 Cañada Onda, jalos-- there is more if you need -- I found that Nicolas has brothers Lucio-Antonio-Lalo-Cleofas
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix De La Torre
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

By the way, here is a link you will enjoy. It has quite a few historic
photographs of Jalostotitlan.
http://www.jalosjalisco.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Felix
De La Torre
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:54 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

Yes. He is alive and born I believe about 1917. He remarried a woman
from Arandas. I hope this is the same De La Torre because I have had a
difficult time finding any information on my father's side of the
family. I thought that Nicolas De La Torre's father was named Sisto,
too.

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Miggy
GUTIERREZ
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:43 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

Felix, is this Nicolas de la Torre still living in Jalos b abt 1920, he
was my mothers uncle and I have a lot of info on De LA Torre
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix De La Torre>
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org>
;
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
.com>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

This is interesting. My grandmother was named Maria de la Luz Martin.
I do not know where she was born, but she lived in Jalos. She married
Nicolas De La Torre. Could this be the same Maria de la Luz Martin?

-----Original Message-----
From:
research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
.nuestrosranchos.org>
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Juan
Marquez
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:32 PM
To:
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
.com>
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

Hola,

Here are some names... any matches?

Armando Marquez Ramirez (Rancho near Tlacuitapan) born circa 1935
Francisco Martinez (Tlacuitapan proper) born circa 1900
Miguel Marquez (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1900
Maria Ramirez de Marquez (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1910
Juan Marquez Munoz (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1900
Maria de la Luz Martin (San Jose de los Reynoso) born circa 1910

Comment

Scandal avoided! These are different women, as Miggy Gutierrez
disclosed. ; )

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Juan
Marquez
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:36 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Are we related?

=) Unless Abuelo Juan got taken... I think these would be different
women.

Defunto Don Fernando

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You can call me Daniel. Genealogy has always been a passion and it requires dedication, each link with a document. Everything carefully cited and documented.

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Published by mendezdetorres – Fri, 2014-05-23 19:00 | Permalink

Comment

Honestly, I do not think it is the same Montes y Vigil family, although anything is possible. The Montes y Vigil family settled in Zacatecas in the XVII century and made their way north settling those areas. A well known lineage that made it's way to New Mexico, numerous people descend from this family. Their ancient origins are in Asturias, where they married the Arguelles y Quinones. Their "Ejecutorias de Hidalguia y Nobleza" can be found in the Real Chancelleria de Valladolid. It is a very old noble line of Asturias.

Daniel MdTC

Comment

Thanks Daniel for your attention to this one that I found on Don Fernando Arquelles.

Very interesting and just thinking. He was buried in our village of Huejuquilla. Where did he live? He is 20 years old, has the title "Don" seems to have passed away from an accident with his horse. From Asturias, in the document doesn't mention anyone who he is related to or would have made the registration for him.

I wonder where he lived in Huejuquilla? I am definetly going to follow this one.

Comment

Well right now I am seriously looking and scrolling through archives to try to find more information on my ancestors. Trying to find more generations so I can backtrack farther.

It is so much easier now that I can look through archives online instead of having to go in person to a family research center, order scrolls of microfilm and wait a few weeks.

I am spending hours right now scrolling archives, listening to music as I am reading the archives and also taking breaks here and there to eat something. Also make me a cup of coffee. I am what I would term, "In the zone" right now focused.

I already found some suprises such as my great great great grandfather belonging to a group of "Brothers of Cofrades."

Comment

I was thinking on some ways to find more information on "Don Fernando Arquelles"

Since he passed away in Huejuquilla in 1797 at the age of twenty and he is from Asturias. Means he was born in 1777. So one idea would be to go back to 1777 in the baptismo records of Huejuquilla and look forward til the day he passed away for any documents to see if he was ever a "Padrino" for anyone in Huejuquilla. That could then give more information such as names of other persons he had been associated with or his residence. And then there is the possibility that maybe he was baptized in Huejuquilla depends on when he came over from Asturias to Mexico.

Mendoza Family - Lagos De Moreno

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For those of you doing research into the Mendoza Surname this is the information that I have come across in my research:

Salvador Mendoza - Bruna Gomez (GGGGrandfather Salvador born 1820's?)

Ancestry DNA results

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The results of my Ancestry DNA are at a standstill pause, while I have been matched with several other that had their DNA done, their responses have been rather negative.

Comments

Published by Armando – Wed, 2014-05-21 11:45 | Permalink

Comment

You can upload your raw DNA file to www.gedmatch.com where various members
of NuestrosRanchos have uploaded their raw file. I recommend that anyone
that has not uploaded their AncestryDNA.com raw , FamilyTreeDNA Family
Finder raw DNA files, or 23andme.com raw DNA files to also upload their
files to www.gedmatch.com

If you want to find more matches I also recommend that you do a Family
Finder transfer at
https://www.familytreedna.com/landing/atdna-landing.aspxwhere there
are more NuestrosRanchos members. You can also join numerous
DNA projects at FamilyTreeDNA including one that is specific to our region
called Nueva Galicia DNA project.

You should also order a 23andme.com test which is similar to the
AncestryDNA.com and Family Finder but it will give you matches to people
that have not had a AncestryDNA or Family Finder test. It will also give
you your mtDNA haplogroup.

If you have male relatives whose paternal line is from our region of study.
or if that paternal line also left a lot of descendants in our region, then
you can ask them to get a Y-DNA37 marker test. It is cheaper if they do it
through a project such as the Nueva Galicia DNA project.

https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?&group=NuevaGaliciaDNA&vG…

Saludos,
Armando

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:56 PM, wrote:

> The results of my Ancestry DNA are at a standstill pause, while I have
> been matched with several other that had their DNA done, their responses
> have been rather negative. My question, can the Ancestry DNA results be
> universally shared and compared with the results from other testing
> entities such as NuestrosRanchos tests. One of my matches came from one
> that has ancestors with the de Leon surname from Encarnacion Jalisco,
> however, he/she did not go any further and I could not access his/her
> private family tree. Is there a DNA forum within NuestrosRanchos?

Comment

For those who have already taken a DNA test with any company like FTDNA , we
also have a group in Facebook at
https://www.facebook.com/groups/nuevagaliciadna/ this is a private group, so
we may require to ask for each person's genealogy, DNA kit number and other
information, since the comments and information to be shared in this group
may seem personal for some, and will be intended only for its members.

Rick Rodriguez

-----Original Message-----
From: Research [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf
Of Armando
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 1:35 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ancestry DNA results

You can upload your raw DNA file to www.gedmatch.com where various members
of NuestrosRanchos have uploaded their raw file. I recommend that anyone
that has not uploaded their AncestryDNA.com raw , FamilyTreeDNA Family
Finder raw DNA files, or 23andme.com raw DNA files to also upload their
files to www.gedmatch.com

If you want to find more matches I also recommend that you do a Family
Finder transfer at
https://www.familytreedna.com/landing/atdna-landing.aspxwhere there are more
NuestrosRanchos members. You can also join numerous DNA projects at
FamilyTreeDNA including one that is specific to our region called Nueva
Galicia DNA project.

You should also order a 23andme.com test which is similar to the
AncestryDNA.com and Family Finder but it will give you matches to people
that have not had a AncestryDNA or Family Finder test. It will also give you
your mtDNA haplogroup.

If you have male relatives whose paternal line is from our region of study.
or if that paternal line also left a lot of descendants in our region, then
you can ask them to get a Y-DNA37 marker test. It is cheaper if they do it
through a project such as the Nueva Galicia DNA project.

https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?&group=NuevaGaliciaDNA&vG…
NuevaGaliciaDNA

Saludos,
Armando

On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:56 PM, wrote:

> The results of my Ancestry DNA are at a standstill pause, while I have
> been matched with several other that had their DNA done, their
> responses have been rather negative. My question, can the Ancestry DNA
> results be universally shared and compared with the results from other
> testing entities such as NuestrosRanchos tests. One of my matches came
> from one that has ancestors with the de Leon surname from Encarnacion
> Jalisco, however, he/she did not go any further and I could not access
> his/her private family tree. Is there a DNA forum within NuestrosRanchos?

Defunto de 14 Cuerpos Hacienda San Antonio/Huejuquilla 1810 murieron en "La Guerra"

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I have been moving along the archive of defuntos of Huejuquilla and San Antonio De Padua looking for the defunto of my great great great great grandfather Francisco Madera who is the husband of Maria

Comments

Published by julietamartha – Tue, 2014-05-27 03:00 | Permalink

Comment

Si, fue durante la Guerra de Independencia de Mexico
Curiosamente ese mismo dia 30 de junio 1811 el cura Hidalgo fue fusilado y
decapitado en Guanajuato

JulietaMartha

-----Message d'origine-----
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de zacatecano020@hotmail.com
Envoyé : martes, 27 de mayo de 2014 12:48 a.m.
À : research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Objet : [Nuestros Ranchos] Defunto de 14 Cuerpos Hacienda San
Antonio/Huejuquilla 1810 murieron en "La Guerra"

I have been moving along the archive of defuntos of Huejuquilla and San
Antonio De Padua looking for the defunto of my great great great great
grandfather Francisco Madera who is the husband of Maria de Guizar and the
father of Juan Benancio Madera (1762).

I arrived to the year 1810 and by curiousity I ran across this document of
defunto of 14 cuerpos que murieron en "La Guerra" and of Hacienda San
Antonio?

What Guerra? The war of indpendence of Mexico against Spain?

http://oi60.tinypic.com/30k91qw.jpg

Source:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-53554-9?cc=1874591&wc=…-
2Z3:171931201,171931202,173088501

como investigar familias españolas!!

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HOla ! ya econtre de una rama de mi familia hasta las familias españolas de rivedesella de asturias españa !! pero ya ahi no se como mas investigar !! alguien me puede dar orientacion al respecto??

Dispensas matrimoniales

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Hola a todos:

Comments

Published by GARY – Mon, 2014-05-26 07:45 | Permalink

Comment

Edgar Olguin Diaz

buenos dias a todos

yo tambien quisiera saber donde puedo encotrar las dispensas matrimoniales de nuevo leon y coahuila asi como tambien los testamentos de estos estados mencionados.

alguien me podria ayudar ? como puedo encontrar estos documentos?

necesito las dispensas de villaldama , lampazoz de naranjo,sabinas hidalgo,monterrey,galeana,salinas victoria, estos en nuevo leon y los de coahuila son :monclova, sanbuenaventura, nadadores, saltillo, ramos arizpe, muzquiz, parras, torreon.

agradezco la atencion prestada

que tengan un excelente dia
saludos

Published by Jorge Elias – Sun, 2012-12-23 23:04 | Permalink

Comment

Hola Salvador, me encuentro en una situación parecida o igual.

Mis sextos abuelos maternos tuvieron unos 13 hijos en Santiago NL a partir de 1762, de 10 que contrajeron matrimonio allí mismo, 6 necesitaron dispensas de consanguinidad y uno por afinidad entre 1790 y 1820 más o menos. Los documentos que tengo de no aportan los árboles genealógicos ni especifican cuál es el vínculo de los contrayentes y no logro encontrar las dispensas en Guadalajara, muy probablemente por no se encuentran allí sino que fueron dispensados en el Obispado de Monterrey que se fundó en 1777. ¿Dónde se pueden encontrar esos archivos? Ojalá que alguien en el grupo nos oriente.

Buena suerte, estaré al pendiente por si encuentro algo te dejo saber.

Jorge Elias
Miami, FL

Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Thu, 2011-05-26 07:44 | Permalink

Comment

Le recomiendo que llame por teléfono al Archivo Histórico de la Arquidiócesis de Monterrey para ver si ellos tienen las dispensas para los años que busca:
http://www.arquidiocesismty.org/PAGES/gob/comYofci.html

Revisando en famylysearch el rollo de INFORMACIÓN MATRIMONIAL de VILLA UNIÓN, COAHUILA 1760-1918 di con una dispensa matrimonial "con parentesco por afinidad lícita en segundo grado" de uno de mis antepasados. La dispensa es de 1854, trae membrete del Gobierno Eclesiástico del Obispado de MONTERREY y está fechada en Monterrey. La misma viene muy resumida porque no menciona detalles del parentesco, por lo que me gustaría encontrar el original no resumido.

Fui a buscar la dispensa al archivo mencionado en Monterrey y me dijeron que no tenían dispensas para ese año, que tal vez en la catedral. Desde ahí llamaron al archivo de la catedral pero les dijeron que tampoco las tenían. Me dijeron que lo más probable era que estuvieran en los archivos eclesiásticos en Coahuila porque el matrimonio se llevó a cabo en ese estado, a pesar de que la dispensa tiene membrete de Monterrey.

Si alguien sabe dónde podría encontar dispensas matrimoniales de Coahuila y Monterrey de 1854 también me gustaría saberlo para buscar más detalles de la que encontré resumida.

Saludos desde Torreón,
Victoriano Navarro

Comment

Hola Victoriano:

Me da gusto saludarle y le doy las gracias por la información. Por lo que me dice, por experiencia suya, será un tanto difícil conseguir la información adecuada en Monterrey. Yo también tengo varios ancestros donde dice que fueron dispensados por uno, dos o hasta tres parentescos, mas no viene detalladamente su ascendencia genealógica para comprobarlo.
Marcaré de todos modos al Archivo Histórico de la Arquidiócesis de Monterrey, para ver que pueden decirme, espero los de esos años si los tengan.

Le agradezco por su tiempo.
Salvador Agraz

Published by gpf13 – Wed, 2011-05-25 21:02 | Permalink

Comment

These states are part of the Archdiocese of Monterrey, which consists of the dioceses of
* Diocese of Ciudad Victoria founded 1964
* Diocese of Linares founded 1962
* Diocese of Matamoros founded 1958
* Diocese of Nuevo Laredo founded 1989
* Diocese of Piedras Negras founded 2003
* Diocese of Saltillo founded 1891
* Diocese of Tampico founded 1870

The diocese of Monterrey (originally called diocese of Linares) was founded in 1777, and was formed from part of the dioceses Mexico, Michoacan, but mostly from Guadalajara. It initially covered the modern states of Nuevo Leon, Coahuila, Tamaulipas and Texas.

The microfilms of the Diocese of Monterrey are available online at Family Search, but are not as extensive as those of Guadalajara. Matrimonial investigations, for example, date from 1888. Marriage records start much earlier.

The records you are looking for could be in Guadalajara, but I would not expect to find them there as each parish/diocese kept their own records. The time you are looking at is well after the founding of the Monterrey diocese, which suggests, if they exist, are in Monterrey. The very early records, from the time this area was in the diocese of Guadalajara, are in the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Comment

Hi George:

I've just read your message, I found your information very helpful. I think you're right, I've been looking for the dispensas of those years and those states in the microfilms of the Sagrada Mitra's archives provided by FamilySearch and I don't find the dispensas for Nuevo León and Coahuila, I do find some of San Luis Potosí, Aguascalientes and Zacatecas but not those, anyway I'll continue searching there a little bit more in order to be sure, or start looking at Monterrey.
Thanks for your help.

Salvador Agraz

Comment

Attention: George Fulton
Hello George

Does this mean that couples who planned to marry did not have to file a petition of informacion matrimonial? I was hoping to fine one for my forebears, Manuel Romo and Maria Ygnacia Rodrigues, who got married in Nadadores in 1816. I have not been able to locate them in Family Search...Do you have any advice? (Manuel was originally from Aguascalientes).

Regards
Denise Fastrup

Defunto Don Fernando Arquelles Natural Del Principal de Asturias 1797

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I need help from someone please in that you can you tell me what it means when this person that I found in Defuntos in our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco Mexico in the year 1797.

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Published by Edward Serros – Sat, 2014-05-24 07:42 | Permalink

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Don Fernando Arquelles was from Asturias. There were a number of Asturians in the general area of Huejuquilla el Alto/Valparais/Mesquitic in the late 1790 time frame. Don Domingo Antonio Felgueres came from Villaviciosa, Asturias in 1790 and served as lieutenant governor of Mesquitic (Mezquitic); he died in 1798 from unknown causes. Domingo's brother, Josef, was a Franciscan friar who came about the same time and you will find him periodically in different records. There were at least two other Asturians, Don Antonio Lopez del Llano, Domingo's best friend, and Don Alonzo Lopez del Campo, a cousin of Don Antonio.

FWIW, in the 1700's the Asturians (and other españoles) came to Mexico looking to marry wealthy criollo daughters (I can give you references/sources if you are interested). The wealthy criollo fathers would prefer a Peninsular son-in-law to a Mexican-born son-in-law even if the Peninsular was not particularly wealthy or not of high social class. Both Domingo Antonio Felgueres and Antontio Lopez del Llano married into the wealthy Martinez family of Mesquitic. The Martinez family's wealth was likely from the silver mines of Bolaños; they also lived near Totatiche. When Domingo Antonio Felgueres died, Antonio Lopez del Campo, married Domingo's widow.

It is all about money. The Spaniards loved God, Glory and Gold (Silver), not necessarily in that order.

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Thanks Ed,

This is all interesting. So many thoughts on Don Fernando. When you mention Bolanos? That village is still a place with a rich deposit of gold and silver. But currently Majestic Silver Corp of Canada is working that place over 30,000 hectares. There were protests from the land owners.

There are pre-existing mines all over the place. I have been to one on foot/horseback. Where my grandmother owns that hill. The hill covered with crystal quart rocks.

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thank you for sharing.. genealogy isn't just abt names and dates but the lives and history that go with them.. You put flesh on the name.
Linda in Olympia, Wa

On Sunday, May 25, 2014 9:28 AM, "ed@serros.net" wrote:

Don Fernando Arquelles was from Asturias.  There were a number of Asturians in the general area of Huejuquilla el Alto/Valparais/Mesquitic in the late 1790 time frame.  Don Domingo Antonio Felgueres came from Villaviciosa, Asturias in 1790 and served as lieutenant governor of Mesquitic (Mezquitic); he died in 1798 from unknown causes.  Domingo's brother, Josef, was a Franciscan friar who came about the same time and you will find him periodically in different records.  There were at least two other Asturians, Don Antonio Lopez del Llano, Domingo's best friend, and Don Alonzo Lopez del Campo, a cousin of Don Antonio.

FWIW, in the 1700's the Asturians (and other españoles) came to Mexico looking to marry wealthy criollo daughters (I can give you references/sources if you are interested).  The wealthy criollo fathers would prefer a Peninsular son-in-law to a Mexican-born son-in-law even if the Peninsular was not particularly wealthy or not of high social class.  Both Domingo Antonio Felgueres and Antontio Lopez del Llano married into the wealthy Martinez family of Mesquitic.  The Martinez family's wealth was likely from the silver mines of Bolaños; they also lived near Totatiche.  When Domingo Antonio Felgueres died, Antonio Lopez del Campo, married Domingo's widow.

It is all about money.  The Spaniards loved God, Glory and Gold (Silver), not necessarily in that order.

Published by iChristopher – Fri, 2014-05-23 07:45 | Permalink

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Hi ?,

It means don Fernando Arguelles is a native of the Principality of Asturias, a place in northern Spain.

Christopher de Cuellar

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I need help from someone please in that you can you tell me what it means when this person that I found in Defuntos in our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco Mexico in the year 1797.

Says "Don Fernando Arquelles Natural Del Prinicipal De Asturias"

What does it say or mean about Asturias?  I have no relation to him but just curious.

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2jdjkev.jpg

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-54312-19?cc=1874591&wc…

Has anyone been hit with the geneology bug?  I am doing lots of research now I got hit with the geneology bug.

Published by mendezdetorres – Thu, 2014-05-22 23:30 | Permalink

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Welcome to the fascinating world of history and genealogy! We all catch it eventually. The feeling of desire, intrigue, hunger after genealogy. One door opens three and before we know it, our family tree can span several generations over centuries. Genealogy is truly and art, not a mere hobby.

The document is beautifully written. It should say, "Don Fernando de Arguelles, natural del Principado de Asturias, de veinte anos." What sparks my curiosity is he was only twenty years old and was called Don. It was very common during colonial Mexico for these "youngsters" to be imported by their wealthy uncles to administrate their businesses. He was from Asturias, Spain, de facto, he was "asturiano" by birth. There are numerous Arguelles families in the region, most seem to descend from the main house in Asturias. The ones nearby in Zacatecas were the Arguelles y Miranda who married into the Sanchez de Tagle family who possesed the Marquisate of Altamira the other one of interest are the Arguelles y Quinones who married into the Montes y Vigil family. My question is what was don Fernando, a young twenty year old doing at this location. He did not even live enough to marry and reproduce, which was usually the main objective of these peninsulares along with their businesses.
The peninsulares often seeked to marry wealthy criollas to establish themselves really quickly in the region, which would ensure them, the important family links, etc. Is it not interesting how all these questions came from one simple question? This is what we need to do, brainstorm. What was he doing there? Are there any documents that may give us a lead, was he a landowner, was there a court case he was involved with? Was he residing somewhere else? Why did he come to New Spain? Who were his parents, the list goes on. Document everything.

Then again, this is not really someone you are interested in? Once you become addicted to genealogy you become me!

Daniel Mendez de Torres y Camino

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Oh thank you Daniel Mende de Torres y Camino!

I did not know that what you are telling me about the Arguelles family and that why he had the title, "Don" at twenty years and it clearly says from Asturias.

He was buried in our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico in 1797 and what caught my attention was the word, "Asturias" Now you answered it and gave a lot of interesting information now. I am going to hold on to this document and pursue this one and try to answer your questions. This is very interesting and I try to save the ones that I run across that looks odd or interesting.

But right now I am looking for the defunto record of my great great great great grandfather Francisco Madera of Rancho De Los Maderas, where he had a son name Juan Benancio (Venancio) Madera in 1762 at Rancho De Los Maderas, because once I find it I may get the name of his parents which is another generation to backtrack.

This is really good what your telling me and I will pursue this one on Don Fernando De Arguelles.

URSUA Chabes, Luiz Joseph, c. 1730

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I'm hoping someone can help me find the baptismal date of: Luiz Joseph URSUA Chabes, c. 1730, español, originario y vecino de la Hacienda de San Bartolome, Aguascalientes, Ags. hijo legitimo de Juan ORSUA Chabes y Cayetana Maria CHABES Albares. [Luiz is aka Jossef Luiz de URCUA; Luiz Jossef VRSUA, VRZUA, HORZUA, etc.]

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Published by Steve G. Apodaca – Sat, 2014-05-24 09:28 | Permalink

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Hello, I just saw your message while searching for Ursua's on Nuestros Ranchos. I hope you see this message since you posted yours back in 2007. I have Ursua ancestors, and my research is leading me to Aguascalientes, and I do see your ancestors Luiz Joseph Ursua Chabes in my search. This is what I got. My first Ursua I found was Lugardo Ursua, born and married in Zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, married to Juana Maria Nieves Garcia. His parents were Tomas de Ursua and Juana Maria Casiana Sanches, who came to the Zacoalco area between 1785 and 1788. They originally married in Aguascalientes on 14 nov 1773. Tomas' parents were Faustino de Ursua and Maria Peres. I have not been able to find Faustino's baptism, however, I was able to locate his death certificate and in there, it mentions that his parents were Juan Ursua and Cayetana Chavez and this family was from San Bartolome. Do you think my Faustino was brother to your Luis Joseph?

Saludos, Steve in NC

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Hello

I too am reserching my Ursua ancestry and have the following information on this family:

Faustino de Ursua married Maria Perez (daughter of Juan Perez and Juliana Limon) on April 25, 1742 in Aguascalientes.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11592-123449-77?cc=1502404…

The marriage record has the following:
25 abril 1742: En la villa de Aguascalientes…asistí al matrimonio que en mi presencia y por palabras de presente celebraron Faustino de Ursúa, español, originario y vecino de esta jurisdicción en San Bartolomé, hijo legitimo de Juan de Ursúa y de Cayetana de Chávez con María Pérez, española, originaria y vecina de esta feligresía, hija legitima de Juan Pérez y de Juliana Limón…fueron sus padrinos Antonio Pérez y Bárbara de Ursúa

Antonio Perez is the bride's brother and Barbara de Ursua is the groom's sister.

Faustino's parents Juan de Ursua and Cayetana de Chavez married June 5, 1714 in Aguascalientes.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13029-89627-70?cc=1410092&…

Their marriage record reads:
5 junio 1714: En la villa de Aguascalientes…asistí al matrimonio que por palabras de presente otorgaron Juan de Ursúa, español originario y vecino de esta feligresía en San Bartolomé, hijo natural de Agustín de Ursúa y de María Velázquez y Cayetana de Chávez, española, de esta feligresía en los Gallos, hija legitima de Juan de Chávez y de María Álvarez

I have eleven of their children:

1. Faustino

2. Maximiliana Antonia baptized 17 Sep 1715.

3. Olaya baptized 10 Dec 1716.

4. Maria baptized 11 Jan 1719.

5. another Maria baptized 4 abril 1721. I believe her padrino Juan de Ursua was her father's step brother.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11662-74566-78?cc=1502404&…

6. Barbara Monica baptized 14 May 1722 and married Antonio Perez 12 February 1741 in Aguascalientes.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12338-109737-67?cc=1502404…

7. Luis Jose baptized 26 Sep 1723. His padrinos Manuel de Ursua and Petra de Ornelas (aka Perez) are my 7th great grand parents. Manuel and Luis's father Juan are step brothers.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11662-72338-8?cc=1502404&w…

Luis's baptism record reads:
26 septiembre 1723: En la villa de Aguascalientes…bauticé y puse los santos óleos a Luis José, español, hijo legitimo de Juan de Ursúa y de Cayetana Chávez. Fueron padrinos Manuel de Ursúa y Petra Pérez

8. Maria Antonia Cornelia baptized 04 Oct 1729 and died soon after and was buried 27 Nov 1729.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11812-33478-37?cc=1502404&…

9. Maria Dolores baptized 19 Apr 1731.

10. Antonia Maxima baptized 15 Jul 1733.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11662-73763-85?cc=1502404&…

11. Lorenzo Joaquin baptized 25 Aug 1737.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12870-269345-55?cc=1502404…

Our common ancestor Agustin de Ursua is the son of Martin de Ursua and Juana Sanchez. Juana Sanchez is the daughter of Francisco Sanchez Montes de Oca and Ana Tomasina Ruiz de Esparza. Ana Tomasina is the daughter of Lope Ruiz de Esparza and Ana Francisca de Gabay.

Hasta pronto.
Austin
Austin Perez

Defunto of Antonia De Los Santos 1778 (Sister of Juan Benancio Madera my great great great GF)

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Found the defunto of Antonia De Los Santos in 1778. Who is the sister of Juan Benancio Madera.

Antonia De Los Santos is hija de Francisco Madera and Maria Guizar:

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Published by MADERA_32 – Sat, 2014-05-24 20:22 | Permalink

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Found defunto of the sister of my great great grandfather Patricio Madera (1762 Rancho Ximulco):

Her name is "Dona Francisca Madera, "Espanola" was 23 years old and resided at Rancho Ximulco (Jimulco). She passed away from Fever.

She is the daughter of "Juan Benancio Madera (1762 Rancho De Los Maderas) and Maria Geronima Fernandez.

http://oi59.tinypic.com/2l9h8wx.jpg

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-53706-9?cc=1874591&wc=…

So Juan Benancio (Venancio) Madera "Espanol", that was born in "Rancho De Los Maderas" in 1762, son of Francisco Madera and Maria De Guizar. Was also a member of the "Brothers of the Cofrades" (Hacientos De Los Cofrades) with his membership listed in the year 1802. His son "Patricio Madera" my great great grandfather was born in Rancho Ximulco (Jimulco) in 1792. Patricio seemed to have had two wifes.

First one was Tomasa Munoz. Then he had another wife name Maria Dimas De La Paz that was born in 1819. When my great grandfather Calixto Madera was born in the 1850's. Patricio Madera was 67 years old and Maria Dimas De La Paz was 40 years old.

Possible Location of Cemetery in Huejuquilla 1780

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Saw this page in the defunto archives of the year 1780 and may give clue as to where the cemetary was at that time with this comment written:

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What is "Hacientos De Hermanos Cofrades" in 1802?

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Hi everyone,

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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Thu, 2014-05-22 09:39 | Permalink

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Asiento means SEAT, and just as in English, it may mean someones place or post in a group (as in Seat of Congress).
It also means to write down in orden to registrer something.
So, it may be the Registry of the Brothers of the Cofardía, or the registry of the Seats of the Brothers of the Cofardía.

Victoriano Navarro

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Thank you Victoriano. I am really excited about that my great great great grandfather Juan Benancio (Venancio) Madera born 1762, son of Francisco Madera of Rancho De Los Maderas had a seat on the Brothers of the Cofradia.

And there is a Cofradia that exists today but is a ranch and is about 10 minutes on car (distance) to Rancho De Los Maderas (San Jose De Los Maderas) and all the other ranchos and the village of Huejuquilla. Also the Cofradia is closer to the location of the Hacienda of San Antonio which is about 5 - 10 minutes past the Cofradia.

The Cofradia is old and existed back in 1632 - 1700:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18452-80272-36?cc=1874591&wc…

Defunto Maria Gentridias Mulatta en Rancho De Los Madera 1780

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Found this defunto of mulatta Maria Gentridias en Rancho De Los Maderas in 1780 and of Lazaro Madera and Juana Michaela Perales:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/a14mqw.jpg

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Published by MADERA_32 – Wed, 2014-05-21 18:03 | Permalink

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Correct spelling is Maria "Getrudis" Not Gentridias. I found this out buy seeing others with the surname "Getrudis" in the archives.

Found a possible relative of "Don Fernando De La Campo y Cos" in 1780

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I was looking through defuntos of the year 1780 in our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico and found a defunto of a mulatto de is of "Juan De La Campo" of Rancho Dolores:

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Published by mendezdetorres – Wed, 2014-05-21 16:00 | Permalink

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Just a note, his name was De La Campa y Cos. Many of his relatives can be found in Aguascalientes, Jalisco and Puebla. They all came from Cantabria, Spain. He did not have any male descendants and only his daughters succeded him as Countess.

Daniel MdTC

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> On May 21, 2014, at 3:20 PM, zacatecano020@hotmail.com wrote:
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> I was looking through defuntos of the year 1780 in our village of Huejuquilla, Jalisco, Mexico and found a defunto of a mulatto de is of "Juan De La Campo" of Rancho Dolores:
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> http://oi58.tinypic.com/11gpx79.jpg
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> source:
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> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18449-55910-17?cc=1874591&wc…
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> As you know that nearby about 1 hour on car on the road (in today's standard of travel, there is a Hacienda called, "Hacienda De San Mateo" that was the favorite Hacienda of the Conde "Don Fernando De La Campo y Cos (1676 - 1742)
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> http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_de_la_Campa

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Thanks Mendezdetorres,

For the spelling of De La Campo to De La Campa.

In the copy I made it does say, "Juan De La Campa" and he seems to be from a younger generation than Don Fernando De La Campa y Cos for the year 1780:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/11gpx79.jpg

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