i found these two doucments and...

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18417-10487-23?cc=1874591&wc…
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18417-10396-3?cc=1874591&wc=…
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-45530-16?cc=1874591&wc…

I wonder if the maria chavez y banuelos mention in both dispensations is my ancestor clara chavez(who married juan de la torre y valdez). the reason why i'm unsure if they are the same one or not since i found some other doucments earlier that kind of contradict those above doucments

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18427-22425-16?cc=1874591&wc…
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18412-60355-80?cc=1874591&wc…

introduction - de la Torre-Berumen Uribarren

Hi everybody! Hola!
First, let me say that I'm excited to be part of this community, and am
grateful that it exists. I look forward to collaborating and sharing my
research with other members here.

My name is Jose Luis de la Torre, Jr., and I'm interested in researching the
de la Torre family in particular, as well as my other ancestors. I don't
have many details yet as I'm just starting on my research, but I'll share
what I know so far about my family's roots on the de la Torre side.

>From what I know, my great-great grandfather was Francisco de la Torre, who
married Martina Velasco. They lived in Guadalupe, Zacatecas. I don't know
anything else about Francisco and his family, so I'm hoping to uncover more
in my research, and find out about his other descendants.

My great grandfather was Ygnacio de la Torre Berumen from Guadalupe,
Zacatecas, who married Maria Uribarren Velasco from Guanajuato, in 1899 in
Guadalupe, Zacatecas. Shortly after their wedding, they moved to hacienda
Canada Honda close to Aguasclientes. They lived in Aguascalientes between
1905 and 1922, then moved to San Luis Potosi. Sometime in the late 1920s,
Ygnacio moved his family to Nogales.

Of his children, three became Catholic priests. Francisco and Carlos de la
Torre became Jesuits, and I believe they spent most of their ministry in
Torreon, Coahuila. Ignacio de la Torre became a diocesan priest and served
in Nogales, Sonora most of his life. My grandfather was Luis de la Torre,
who married Carmen Mercedes Ruiz de Chavez y Alvarez Tostado. Of my
grandmother's family I know nothing, but that will be a future area of
research.

Over thanksgiving I managed to find a copy of _Filigranas, Fundaciones y
Genealogias, Tepetongo, Zacs._ by Jose Leon Robles de la Torre, and scanned
most of it. I've posted the de la Torre family tree from his book at:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18246. While it has a lot of
valuable information, unfortunately I can't place my great-great
grandfather, or great-grandfather, on the tree. I hope it will be useful to
others. Hopefully one day I can find the connection from my family tree to
Jose Robles's. It would seem that the de la Torres from Tepetongo, ZAC
would be related to the ones from Guadalupe, ZAC, but I guess one may have
to go farther up on the trees to see the connections.

Yours truly,
Jose Luis

Family to my great-grandfather: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18253

Help with Marriage Document

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20396-52980-30?cc=1860831…

Looking for help with this marriage document to make sure I'm getting any important information. There doesn't appear to be anything additional for 1876 marriages at Purisima del Rincon, so I wanted to be sure I'm getting what's provided here. It appears to me that it states Atanasio had resided in Atotonilco el Alto for 5 years prior to the marriage (which is where I have him in near the turn of the century), but I'm unclear if it indicates if he is originally from Purisima or if information is provided about his parents origins. My Spanish is VERY limited. Any help is appreciated.

Thanks, Alejandro

Francisco Velasco y Maria Ceron de Hidalgo, Mexico

I am trying to continue my family line of Velasco. I found the marriage record of Francisco Velasco and Maria Ceron (married Nov 19, 1636 in Mixquiahuala, Hidalgo.)It was under Bautizos 1632-1644 (Image 47) I need help in reading the document. I believe it says that Francisco is "nacional de la ciudad de Sevilla." First of all am I reading the city as Sevilla correctly and does that mean that he is originally from Spain. His parents are listed as Antonio Velasco and Maria de Arce. I looked for them under Sevilla and could not find any marriage info on them. Any help grealy appreciated.
Thanks,
Auora De Anda de Romo

FW: Somos Primos November 2013 158th Online Issue

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Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 9:24 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Somos Primos November 2013 158th Online Issue

http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2013/spnov13/spnov13.htm

Dear Primos and Friends:

May your heart and life be filled with gratefulness for your many blessings of family and friends. The six-hour documentary, Latino Americans has surely given visibility to our varied, yet connected histories. We have leaders whose stories were finally told; but we have thousands of others who have dedicated their lives, to nurturing and uplifting those around them, whose stories have not been told. I invite you all to do so.

You may want to interview your parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles, or someone who has made an impact on your life, someone who taught you a skill, or shared a value, or concept which has guided you. I invite you all to send in your thoughts. We are not looking at or for writing skills, we are looking for stories reflecting us, Latino Americans, in all our diversity.

In this issue you will see one of the changes which 2014 will bring:
CUENTOS, personal, first hand family stories will be scattered throughout the issues, based on where the incidences took place. I was hoping that it would increase networking and help stir familiar memories.

I have also included a category of FICTION/NON-FICTION for those that would like to share stories based on true experiences, but with adjustments or additions for more dramatic impact or privacy. Louis F.
Serna, sent a page from the journal of a fictitious Spanish soldier, My Days as a Colonist/Soldier with Don Juan de Onate - Part 1 by Louis F.
Serna.

Each of us may think that we do not have enough personal stories to write a book, but we all have some memories that are special to us, for some reason. That reason may touch someone else's heart, and uplift them. For the December issue, I invite you all to send a personal Christmas memory via an email. . . length, a half a page to 3 pages, who, what, when.

God bless, Mimi

Table of Contents for November 2013

UNITED STATES
Concerning Letters to the Editor by Mimi The Hispanic Art Contest by Wanda Garcia The Tex/Mex Heritage of "Lady Bird" Johnson Latino American Documentary Resources
2013 National Council of la Raza ALMA Awards Denial of a History is a Denial of a People by Wanda Garcia
2013 Jose Marti Publishing Awards of the National Association of Hispanic Publications'
Ruben Salazar was a Mexican-American journalist Con Safos: Reflection from Up On the Hill, teaser by J.A. Velarde El Movimiento, How Latino Americans Fought for Civil Rights by Esther J. Cepeda Latinos 101, the Hispanic Heritage of the United States by Felipe de Ortego y Gasca, Ph.D.
The 1940's
Kilroy was here!

HISPANIC LEADERS
Frank Martinez: 1924-2013, artist and mentor dies at 89 Elisa Perez, Family Historian and Genealogist dies at 87 Carlos Blanco-Aguinaga: 1926-2013, literary critic, fiction writer dies at 87 Jose Montoya: 1932- 2013, poet and artist dies at 81 Raul Cortez: 1933-2013, businessman dies at 80

WITNESS TO HERITAGE
Save Tejano History Symposium' Held September 28th Center for Mexican American Studies (CMAS) Thought you would like this history lesson San Jacinto Battleground Conservancy

NATIONAL ISSUES
Freedom of Speech issue
Sergio Hernandez Cartoonist, Don't Vote For Any Incumbents Definition of Insanity
Court: Applicants wrongly denied US citizenship
Judge: Tribal arrest a U.S. Issue

ACTION ITEMS
Why Save Lincoln Center: For Our Gente

EDUCATION
Less educated Hispanic population presents both a promise and a challenge
Cuento: My Father, the Miracle Maker by Esther Bonilla Read Why Your Mind is a Hurt Locker Ivan Enrique Espinosa Takes First Place in Texas A&M University Mandarin Returns Home -- SAT Scores Climb for Asian Americans Second Feria Educativa was held at the 2013 7th Annual "Festival Cardenas"

CULTURE
Serna's Santos
The Flamenco Peñas in Southern Spain
Ramón “Chunky” Sánchez,: NEA National Heritage Fellowships Concert Webcast Martha González, Musician, Dancer, College Professor, Activist , Author Latina Icon Magdalena Gómez Donates personal papers to University of Connecticut Archives
Documentary: Paper Cutouts to Steel, The Art of Carmen Lomas Garza Sandias y Cascarones Statement by Armando Durón about Artist Jose Ramirez Statement by Armando Durón about Artist Ramon Ramirez

SURNAMES: Fernandez, Part II

DNA: Researching the DNA of Historical Figures

FICTION/NON-FICTION
My Days as a Colonist/Soldier with Don Juan de Onate - Part 1 by Louis F. Serna Voices de la Luna, Quarterly Poetry & Arts Magazine, Editor: Mo. H.
Saidi, MD, ALM

BOOKS
River of Hope: Forging Identity and Nation in the Rio Grande Borderlands, by Omar S. Valerio-Jiménez Brownsville by Oscar Casares The First Texas Independence, 1813, The Unlikely Tejano, José Bernardo Gutiérrez de Lara by José Antonio López Domestic Negotiations: Gender, Nation, & Self-Fashioning in US Mexicana & Chicana Literature & Art by Marci McMahon

Jalpa Zac Matrimonios, 1819-1827 and other years

I've uploaded an Excel file containing marriage records for Jalpa that are NOT available on familysearch.org, for the years 1819-27 and 1685-1712 (part).

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=4448

The file was provided to me by the city historian, Hector Pasqual Gomez Soto.

I have not had any success finding a copy of the source, "Manual de Archivística Eclesiástica" (1998) by Ramón Aguilera Murguía and Jorge Garibay Alvarez, published by the Universidad Pontificia de México. Does anyone have suggestions about obtaining a copy? Maybe someone near UC Berkeley or Mexico City can scan the book?

Thanks,
Arturo G

====================
He subido un archivo de Excel que contiene los registros de matrimonio de Jalpa, Zac que NO están disponibles en familysearch.org, para los años 1819-1827 y 1685-1712 (en parte).

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filemanager/active?fid=4448

El archivo se ha proporcionado a mí por el cronista de Jalpa, Héctor Pascual Gómez Soto.

No he tenido ningún éxito encontrar una copia de la referencia, "Manual de Archivistica Eclesiástica" (1998) de Ramón Aguilera Murguía y Jorge Garibay Álvarez, publicada por la Universidad Pontificia de México. ¿Alguien tiene sugerencias sobre cómo obtener una copia? Tal vez alguien cerca de la UC Berkeley o la Biblioteca Nacional de Mexico puede escanear el libro?

ATTE,
Arturo G

Juan Jph. Gregorio DeAnda and Maria de Jesus Peres

My 3rd Great grandfather Juan Joseph Gregorio DeAnda married Maria de Jesús Peres June 3, 1782 in Encarnación de Díaz, Jalisco. On their marriage document (Image 49) it states that Maria de Jesús Peres parents are Jose Casillas and Gertrudis Romo de Vivar. The marriage of Jose Casillas and Gertrudis Romo is dated April 26 1779 in Jalostotitlan Jalisco. (Image 524) I must have the wrong set of parents because the dates don’t make sense. I have not been able to find another set of parents with the same names nor have I found Maria de Jesus Peres baptismal record. I would greatly appreciate any info that would help me resolve this dilemma.

Aurora

Marriage of Francisco Cavallero con Jasintha Truxeque - 25Dec1742

I have the parents of Francisco Caballero:
Francisco Miguel Cavallero and Maria ?????? Baeza(?).

The parents of Jasintha Truxeque:
Francisco Diaz Truxeque and Antonia de Leon.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16939-59532-44?cc=1837906&wc…

Can someone please fill in the full name of Maria _______ Baeza?

Does anyone have this couple in their tree. They are my 5th Great Grandparents.

Thanks,
Roy

Mexican Cultural Institute, Washington, DC

Here is a link to the website for the MEXICAN CULTURAL INSTITUTE, in Washington, DC.:

http://instituteofmexicodc.org/meetmexico.php

This particular link is for an information resource primarily for school-aged children, but I think you will find it informative for general information about Mexico, and especially if you have young children (or grandchildren) - it will give you something to share about their cultural heritage.

There is also a link for information about the mansion that was formerly used as the Mexican Embassy in Washington, DC. It has some very interesting information about this building. If you ever visit Washington, DC, you should add this place to the list of places to visit.

- http://instituteofmexicodc.org/mansion.php

And this link has a slide show of the interior of the Mansion that hosts many cultural events:

- http://instituteofmexicodc.org/slideshow.php

I hope you enjoy this information.
Natalie Castro Coleman

Looking for Clemencia Rubalcaba 1892-1939 or Eugenio Serna b.Abt 1870

"Hello, I'm researching the families of my grandparents Placido SERNA Vargas & Clemencia RUBALCABA who I believe at least my grandfather lived at Rancho El Ocote, AGS. My father was partially raised there. I remember hearing we had a lot of family in San Luis Potosi, and at Presa de los Serna, Zacatecas, Mexico. A cousin of mine visited Presa De Los Serna & took video of the Serna family there. I do not know their connection in lineage as of yet. My SERNA Lineage far as I can find in search records thru baptisms & Marriage records in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco so far are;

1. PLACIDO SERNA christened on 12 October 1886 at La Santísima Trinidad, Villa Hidalgo,Jalisco, Mexico. Placido married my grandmother Clemencia Rubalacava (Rubalcaba) somewhere in Mexico.
I never met any grandparents on my father’s side. I can't find any other info. on Clemencia Rubalcaba Serna besides family search records for the census in 1930 where the family resided in a mining town in Arizona & where she passed per death record registered in Arizona State Board of Health state file No. 451 registered in Ray Pinal Sonora, Arizona United States on 03/14/1931. . According to those records she was born in Mexico 1893 and immigrated 1910 to Arizona. Her parents were Nestor Rubalcaba and Anselma Rubalcaba. I would like to find where CLEMENCIA RUBALCABA came from and who her family was.
Placido's parents’were;

2. PABLO SERNA b.Abt.1859 & MARIA DE LA ASCENSION VARGAS Ruiz. They married on 25 Nov 1881 at La Santisima Trinidad, Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco, Mexico according to parish Records. She was born 15 August 1865 & was christened 16 August 1865 at LA SANTISIMA TRINIDAD, VILLA HIDALGO, JALISCO, MEXICO. Asuncion's Parents ANTONIO VARGAS & NESTORA RUIZ GALLARDO were also married there 23 Jan 1864 at La Santisima Trinidad, Villa Hidalgo,Jalisco. Pablo & Asuncion had at least 3 children. PLACIDO b.Abt.12 Oct 1886, Murcio christened 18 May 1889,& Siriaca(Ciriaca)Serna Christened 19 Jun 1890 all at La Santísima Trinidad, Villa Hidalgo. I am still researching the siblings (&families)of Placido. I do not know if any of them ever married or came to the U.S. to PABLO SERNA'S parents were;

3. JOSE TIBURCIO SERNA RUBALCAVA was Christened Abt. 15 AUG 1830 La Santisima Trinidad,Villa Hidalgo,Jalisco,Mexico. He was married 30 Jan 1851 to FELIPA MONTOLLA(Montoya).
Tiburcio's parents were;

4.FELICIANO SERNA b.Abt 1810, & MARIA JUANA RUBALCABA b.Abt. 1810.
FELICIANO SERNA was son of;

5. Eugenio De La Serna b.Abt. 1770 and Maria Paula (Pabla) De Soto also b.Abt. 1770.

These surnames are registered at SANTISIMA TRINIDAD, VILLA HIDALGO, JALISCO and come from a rancho called El Ocote, Aguascalientes close to Jalisco. And some of the names are registered in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Ags. Specifically I'm mainly interested in my Grandparents Clemencia Rubalcava (Serna) and my great, great, great grandparents Eugneio De La Serna b.Abt. 1790 and his spouse MARIA PAULA (PAUBLA) DE SOTO ,b.Abt 1790.

Since my father was born in Sonora Penal, Arizona, USA and was raised in El Ocote, Aguas., I'm speculating my Grandparents might have come to U.S.A. several times in between 1910-1940 and possibly crossing in Juarez/El Paso. There are stories about them living there for a short time in Texas. That is where my parents married before finally settling 1st Santa Maria, Santa Barbara, California & ended up in Stockton, San Joaquin, California United States.

Does anyone else have any of these names in their family line?

Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance."
Mary Lou Serna

Confirmations - Baptisms Being Indexed As Same ???

This is just for the groups information with regards to Confirmations and
Baptisms being indexed equally:

From: Esther Jordan []
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 4:33 PM
To: joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Confirmations

Joseph,

I have been doing arbitration for Durango. I do know that is not one of our
States, however I wanted to share what I have found out which may not be
news to many people. Family Search does not have a Header for Confirmations
and these are being indexed as baptisms. I called Family Search in SLC to
ask why this was being done and that I felt this would cause duplication of
birth records once the actual baptisms were extracted. I told them the
confirmations are not done the day of baptism but are done a month, or
months or even years later. They were going to bring it up to whoever does
the computer setups.

I think some people may get confused when they see two records for baptism
for the same child. SLC may or may not make changes but I thought this
might be something you can share with the group so that they might keep in
mind to double check and read those records. Maybe it's just me but I would
feel better if they added that header for confirmations.

Do you see a possible potential problem with people trying to decide which
is the correct date when they end up with two records?

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

Anastasia De Leon

Does anyone have information on Anastasia De Leon? She married Salvador Lopez. They had a son Jose Manuel Lopez who was born about 1770 in Jalisco.

Jose Manuel Lopez married Maria Del Carmen Villasenor. she was born in 4 January 1774, in Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico. it appears that they had their first child Maria Simona Lopez Villasenor, who was born on 24 February 1798, Ayo el Chico, Ayotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. She had other siblings born in Ayo el Chico. For the most part, the Villasenor line was in Arandas, Ayo el Chico, Jalisco, and Aguacalientes.

thanks in advance

Francisco

Need help with Felipe Escobar and or Maria Guadalupe Ramirez

Hi, my name if Francisco Escobar. I hit a brick wall with my earliest ancestor, Felipe Escovar or Escobar who married Maria Guadalupe Ramires or Ramirez. I obtained their names from a Marriage Information Record for their son Bruno Escobar, who was married in the state of Michoacan.

I was able to find a sister to Bruno. Her name was Maria Paula Escobar Ramires or Ramirez. She was baptized in 3 February 1805, Atotonilco El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico. She was born on 24 January 1805, San Juanico, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico. For those who are interested, she later married, and for some reason, her name changed by the record keeper who wrote her information in her marriage 24 MAY 1827, Santiago Apostol,Numaran,Michoacan. He wrote Maria Petra Escobar. He got her parents name correctly.

My 85 year old father said that based on Maria's date of birth, she was born in the month where there are two catholic patron saints which are celebrated, Saint Peter where Petra is the feminine form of the name Peter, and Saint Paul where the Paula is the feminine form of Paul.

I am certain that they had other siblings, most likely were born in Jalisco.

I also have Hilario Zarate who married Maria de Jesus Garnica, around 1833. I am not sure if they were married in Guanajuato, Michoacan, or in Jalisco, like most of my ancestors once lived in Jalisco, before migrating to Guanajuato, Michoacan and the USA.

Thanks

Francisco Escobar

Thello De Orozco, to whom it may concern.

Hi! I have a connection with Tello De Orozco in one of the older branches of my tree.
Salvador Thello De Orozco married Petra Guadalupe De Leon Aguirre. Don´t have his parents and don´t know why, long time ago I extracted this data so don´t remember. Anyways, this marriage took place in Ayotlán, Jal. on february 15, 1779, batch M604478, film 0280788.

Greetings from Leticia Leon

Newbie

Hola! Hello everyone!

My name is Donna Gonzalez. Never wrote on a forum before so here goes, my apologies if it's not standard. :) A bit of background on me, I'm a adjunct graphic design instructor who also has worked in the archival department of a local museum doing art history research for a collection of 500 old photographs. I love digging in and about studying the past. I can do iconography and enjoy it. (to ad nauseum) Weird, I know, but it helped me fill in missing parts to that photo collection and I was able to craft the story the photographs told and about the photographer himself.

I have done some research of my family history and was always intrigued and wanted to know more about my Mexican grandmother's family. I only knew what was orally past down to me from my grandmother, who is deceased now. She didn't have many dates and some locations were too general. I've already did some research on both my maternal and paternal grandparent's but have gotten stuck, I can't seem to go back any farther on either side of my grandmother's grandparents side. Maybe someone can point me in the right direction?

Almost forgot here's my family info so far at: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/donnagonzalez

Here is a short summary of what's in that link above:

My grandfather Alfredo Enriques Mercado born in 1896 in Tepetongo, married Amelia Acevedo in January 1913. He was the eldest of 12 children, she the youngest of 3.

They traveled from Mexico, to Illinois to Detroit in the early part of the century (1900s) by following the railroads. They had 9 children, 6 deceased 3 living.

My grandfather's parents were Benito Mercado and Longinia Enriques and my grandmother's parents were Marquez Acevedo and Guadalupe (don't have her maiden name)and I have no dates, so I'm thinking maybe both sets were born around 1840's and married around 1860's.

Interested? visit the url.

So if you have any Mercados, Acevedos, Nava, or Enriques in your ancestry do drop me an email. I'd love to correspond with you.

One other thing....I've posted a photo of me, it has been told by several of my family members, living and deceased, and it actually happened to me, but those of you who are Mercados out there, maybe you've heard this.....I was told you can tell a Mercado by their eyes. Really, not making it up. Anyhoo, visit my folder and email me.

Take care,

Donna Gonzalez

Research Digest, Vol 93, Issue 14

Roy,

The first surname for Maria looks like Quintero to me.

Sheila Prader

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I have the parents of Francisco Caballero:
rancisco Miguel Cavallero and Maria ?????? Baeza(?).
The parents of Jasintha Truxeque:
rancisco Diaz Truxeque and Antonia de Leon.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16939-59532-44?cc=1837906&wc…

an someone please fill in the full name of Maria _______ Baeza?
Does anyone have this couple in their tree. They are my 5th Great Grandparents.
Thanks,
oy

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I have the parents of Francisco Caballero:
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The parents of Jasintha Truxeque:
rancisco Diaz Truxeque and Antonia de Leon.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16939-59532-44?cc=1837906&wc…

an someone please fill in the full name of Maria _______ Baeza?
Does anyone have this couple in their tree. They are my 5th Great Grandparents.
Thanks,
oy

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Another Herrera question....

Does anyone have the birth, marriage, parental info on Pedro Pablo de Herrera and Maria de la Roza Robles? I've traced two of my lines back to the same couple and have hit a dead end.

One line is Manuel Ygnacio de Herrera, b: abt 1732 Tlaltenango and the other line is his brother Marcelino, b: abt 1740 Tlaltenango.

I did a search here and did see some previous communication on this couple, but no further info was provided.

I would also like to hear from all of you that share this line as I am compiling a list of cousins I've discovered here.

Saludos,
Roy

General Digest, Vol 93, Issue 12

Yeah, the man found the death record of Mercedes and it list her parents as Antonio Medina and Felicitas Magana. I looked them up on family search but I did not found any baptisms or marriage of them.

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Jose,
I looked for both Fernando (1910) and Prodigios(1903) in the baptisms for Quer?ndaro and Zinap?cuaro. I also looked in the civil birth registry for Zinap?cuaro because at that time that is where Quer?ndaro registered their children. I did not find anything. Do you have any more info on Mercedes? Sometimes they would baptize children in the mother's home town especially if it was fairly close to where the family lived.
L. Rivera

> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 22:00:30 +0100
> From: joselopez1151@ymail.com
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Help me find Bartolo De Leon!
>
> Okay I am helping this elderly man with his family research. He already
> has done research and and has gone as far back as the early 1800s in
> most of his tree. He part of his ancestors come from Aguascalientes.
> However, the part I want your help is with his fathers side which comes
> from Michoacan. Arturo ( the guys name) lives in Texas and his great
> grandparents immigrated to the U.S. His fathers name is Fernando de Leon and according to his death certificate his birthday was May 12, 1910 he past away on July 8, 1996. The parents of Fernando Bartolo de Leon and
> Mercedes Medina. They also had another son named Prodigios who according to his death certificate his birthday was February 13, 1903. Bartolo
> was in cuba and arrived to Florida on August 17, 1915. According to
> Arturo's birth certificate the face of birth of his father (Fernando) is Michoacan
> Michoacan and in his brothers first certificate it list the face of
> first of his father as Queretaro Michoacan. As far as we are aware there is no town with the name of queretaro in Michoacan so he things that
> they probably meant Querendaro Michoacan. I was hoping that maybe I
> could get people to help me look at the baptisms from around Fernando's
> and his brothers birth from Michoacan and hope to find them. Or do you
> guys have a better idea to find Bartolo's parents? I know this is
> regarding Michoacan and not one of the three states you guys are focus
> on but I'm hoping you guys can help me or know someone who can. Thank
> you

Zacatecas/Aguascalientes Locations

Hi I'm looking for family that lived in these Locations: Mesillas,El Tepetate,El Pastor, Tierra Blanca, Noria de Molina, Rancho del Refugio, Zac and Asientos, Tepezales, Bimbaletes, Guadalupe de Alta, Aguascalientes.

Surnames in Zacaatecas location listed above are: Guerrero, Lomeli, delgado, Legovia,Monreal, Casillas, Mendoza, Vera, and Alvarado

Surnames in Aguascalientes are: Guerrero, Monreal, Araujo, Gonzales, Leiva(leyva), Flores, Vera, Galindo, Llanas, Gutierrez, Fraustro, Verdeja, Duran, and Marcias.

Here are some Relatives
Rancho Del Pastor:

Luciano Guerrero est. date of marriage to Eusevia Luevano (Luebano)1790-1797

some of His kids: married or born in El pastor or El tepetate, Zac
Ma. Josefa G. Dob/bapt:4/18/1797 = Justo Vera MD: 2/7/1833 in Asientos, aguas
Jose de la Trinidad G. dob/bapt: 6/5/1801
Maria gertrudis G = Md: Francisco Puebla 4/6/1812 in Tierra Blanca, zac
Ascencion G = md; Jose Maria Gomez 4/23/1827 in asientos
Juan G = md: to Juliana Leyva (leiva) in asientos 8/31/1828
his son Luis Guerrero md to Gregoria Lomellin (lomeli) in el tepetate,zac
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Mesillas, zac

Bonifacio Alvarado md to Celsa Sanchez in Rancho del refugio on 5/1863

his son: Serapio Alvarado md to Ma. Refugio Gutierrez from Mesillas,Zac
his daughter: Ma. Ynes Alvarado md to Crispin Lomeli in El tepetate, zac

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Asientos, Aguas

Rosalio Guerrero = md to Maria Refugio Silva (est time of marriage 1870-1875)

His kids:
Maria cruz G est dob: 1876-1878 married to Aniceto Gallegos est date 1895-98
J. Natividad G. est dob: 1880-1887 = md to Rosario Duran 1/1908
Dionicio G est dob: 1884-1889 = md to Maria Refugio Lara 4/20/1907

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Bimbaletes/ Guadadlupe de alta, aguas

Reducindo Galindo & Porfiria Reyes

Natural kid

Victoriano Galindo DOB/baspt:9/8/1886 in Las Norias. md to Juana Chavarria in 3/1907

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asientos, aguas

Refugio Legovia md to Jose Refugio/Reyes Delgado on 6/1/1878

Cornelio Palacios & Hilaria Guerrero had natural child Ma. Merced Palacios in Terria Blanca,zac

Ma.Gabina Guerrero md to Luis Araujo in 4/25/1890.

if anyone have any information please let me know

Thanks JA

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Maria de la Encarnacion Quesada y Lopez Lizaldi

I've recently discovered that the marriage record of Maria de la
Encarnacion Quesada and Julio Joseph Robalcaba, dated Feb 14, 1770 in
Nochistlan, incorrectly identifies her parents as Manuel Aguirre and
Gertudis Ximenes. The dispensation (1770, 1773 FHL Source Film 168044 -
Mexico Genealogy, Images 92-97, (thank you Claudia et al)) identifies the
parents as Joseph Manuel Quesada and Maria Magdalina Lopez( Lizaldi).

I hope this is helpful.

Raquel Ruiz