Nuestros Ranchos Site

Juan Michel

En un libro llamado ¨Mujeres de Ultramar¨ habla de Maria Corral, y no solo de ella, sino también de Elvira Ordoñez

Saludos

Hola Juan,

Su teoría me interesa, pues desciendo de Antonio Feliciano Michel.

Una de las dudas que tengo sobre su teoría es sobre las fechas. Castilla empezó la conquista de lo que sería Nueva España, ahora México, en 1518, no 1510. Sin embargo, la isla de la Española (hoy República Dominicana y Haití) estaban bajo dominio castellano desde los 1490s. La expedición que conquistó Cuba empezó en 1511, de donde partió la expedición de Cortés en noviembre de 1518.

Supongo que es posible que los hermanos referidos hayan llegado a La Española y tomado parte en la conquista de Cuba, para después quedarse en Indias. Luego pudieron formar parte de la conquista de México.

Sobre el resto de la teoría, creo meritorio evaluarla a la luz de los documentos que tengamos o podamos encontrar. Definitivamente es interesante y no quiero desanimarlo. Nadamas quería ajustar la precisión histórica.

Saludos cordiales,

Sergio Salés

Have you tried the Dispensas de Guadalajara? Here's a link, try looking at the respective years you are searching for. Thanks to Claudia Casillas and her group of volunteers who have indexed the names of the pretensos and pretensas and the town they were from it's so much easier than perusing every page, item by item.

http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/p/index-1800-1899.html

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

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From: "jrodori@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 7:52 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Manuel Rodriguez from Mazamitla, Jalisco

Hello,

I have been researching my father's family for a while, and it all has been a straightforward process--until now. I am trying to find the marriage records for my great great grandfather Manuel Rodriguez and my great great grandmother Trinidad Silva, who were presumably married in Mazamitla, Jalisco in 1865. Manuel Rodriguez is the son of Jose Jesus Rodriguez and Maria de Jesus Martinez. Trinidad Silva is the daughter of Vicente Silva and Rita Silva. I have parsed through the marriage records for Mazamitla and nearby Quitupan, but marriage records do not exist for 1864-1867 and 1862-1867, respectively. Their marriage records are the only thing that could tell me where they came from, seeing as nobody in my extended family knows. Do I look in military records? Do I leave open the possibility that they may have come from elsewhere? What other resources do I turn to? Thanks in advance.

Adrián Márquez Padilla

Hola Jesus Pedroza, veo en tu linea de WikiTree.com que te faltan los padres de Cosme Padilla e Hilaria Gonzalez, estos mismos se encuentran en el acta de butismo de Antonio Padilla y los puedes encontrar en

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18563-15354-34?cc=1874591&wc…

Los padres de Cosme fueron: Jose Maria Padilla y Mariana Martin y los padres de Hilaria Gonzalez: Pedro Gonzalez y Maria San Jose Macias....

Si gustas comunicate conmigo

https://www.facebook.com/groups/485645038190790/

Saludos.

Hi,

I just got my results back from FTDNA, and it's rather confusing. I'll check out the sites you mentioned above, at a more decent hour. :-)

I ordered the basic Family Finder test. Does that find your haplogroup? Or do I need to order another test to find the haplogroup? I don't see this in my "info."

Thanks!
Laura Gonzalez

Thanks for the tip! I am following on tumblr now.
Regards, Denise

Thanks for doing this!

I am now following you on Tumblr. =)

Kristine Wulf

Si buscas en los protocolos puedes ver si alguen hizo algo malo y lo metieron en la carcel .

suerte
Welester G. Alvarado Carrillo

>
> HOLA MUY RESPETUOSAMENTE QUISIERA HACER UNA PREGUNTA PORQUE HE TENIDO LA DUDA Y QUISIERA HACERLA : HABRÁ LIBROS O LISTADOS DE PERSONAS QUE HAN ESTADO EN LA CARCEL ? ANTES ERA MUY COMÚN QUE LA
> MAYORÍA TUVIERA UN ARMA.
>
> DE ANTEMANO AGRADEZCO SI TIENEN EL CONOCIMIENTO O TAL VEZ SERÍA DELICADO ESTE TEMA.

Stacy, it says the following in Spanish;

En la Villa de S Juan a 12 de Febrero de ochocientos sincuenta y cinco el Pbro D Luis Losano con licencia del S Cura, presb del respetivo consentimiento, case y vele (religious church language)Dn Cipriano Garcia de treinta y tres anos de edad, originario y vesino de esta villa, viudo de Doña Antonia Ramires, sepultada en el campo santo de Lagos hase 5 años, hijo legitimo del finado don Marical Garcia y Da Tomasa Ornelas y Da Teodocia Franco, celive de 24 años de edad, originaria de Villa de la Encarnacion y vecina aqui hase 6 años, hija legitima de D Calletano Franco y de la finada, Da Filomena Guzman. Tomadas sus declaraciones. followed by Church language..............Padrinos, D Juan Ca y Da Rosalia Gallo. Fueron testigos, Miguel Medina y Julian Ramires.

I have included only the pertinent facts/data and not the required church verbage

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

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From: Stacy Latocha Newelt
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 12:45 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction of Stacy Latocha

Hi, my name is Stacy Latocha and I am trying to continue research on my
family.  I know that two of my great-grandparents were born in the Nuestros
Ranchos area.  Great Grandfather Francisco Reyes was born in Zacatecas and
died in Torreon in December 1944.  I have had absolutely zero luck finding
anything out about him at all.

Great Grandmother Maria Juana Joaquina Garcia born in San Juan de los Lagos
16 August 1888. I have been able to tease out her background to a degree,
but I would like to go further.

I am at the marriage record for her grandparents Don Cipriano Garcia and
Dona Teodosia Franco.  However I am now stuck!  I cannot read this or make
sense of it.  Can someone with a further background in the abbreviations
help me?  I am looking at the second record down on the left.  None of my
Spanish speaking family can help me.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18684-130061-76

Any suggestions regarding Zacatecas research would be appreciated.
Best,
Stacy

Announcements (banns) are supposed to be made three consecutive Sundays prior to the wedding, so this suggests at least three weeks prior. However, I've also seen the informacion matrimonial much closer to the wedding.

If a dispensation is needed, it could be months prior.

Thus, I think 6 weeks prior is a good time to start; if you don't find anything, try 2 or 3 months prior to that.

If the informacion matrimonial is not found, it is also possible that it was done in a different parish if one of the partners was not from the parish where the wedding took place.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Hello Edward,

The books on DNA testing are outdated and don't do proper comparisons or
explanations. DNA testing is a new field and advances are happening too
rapidly. Learning is done through websites and blogs.

Ancestry.com and Family Finder do autosomal testing. Autosomal testing
looks at the DNA that you inherited from all of your ancestral lines. You
don't inherit autosomal DNA from all of your ancestors but you do inherit
autosomal DNA from all of your ancestors. It can be confusing and hard to
explain.The following site has charts that can somewhat explain what you
are wanting to know http://www.dnainheritance.kahikatea.net/autosomal.html

Family Finder is much better than Ancestry.com because it allows you to see
which chromosome you coincide with your matches. This allows for
triangulation in order to pinpoint which ancestors passed down that segment
of autosomal DNA. Family Finder also tells you how much autosomal DNA you
have in common. Anything less than 5.5 is called IBS Identity by State and
is insignificant.

Ancestry.com is also different than Family Finder which is also different
from 23andme which is also different than Geno 2.0. I prefer using the
Family Finder raw data and running it through the Dodecad Globe13 which
includes Amerindian testing and also has a source database. Only Globe13
and Geno 2.0 inlcude source population info. They are the most transparent
calculators. The names of the ancestral components of Globe13 closely match
those of Gen0 2.0. A program for using the Globe13 calculator is at
http://www.y-str.org/tools/diy-dodecad-wrapper/

You can download all of your Family Finder files by using
http://www.dnagedcom.com/FamilyTreeDNA/default.aspx

Y-DNA helps identify the paternal line and can provide matches on the
paternal line. If you relatives that you don't know their paternal then
they should get a Y-DNA test. The mtDNA is strictly the female line. If you
have relatives for which you can't identify the female line the mtDNA test
might help but since the mtDNA changes so slowly it is hard to identify how
two females are related. It is more for determining if it is Amerindian or
European.

If your relatives get an autosomal test it will help with triangulation.
http://dna-explained.com/2013/06/21/triangulation-for-autosomal-dna/

If you upload your raw Family Finder data to www.gedmatch.com you will be
able to triangulate with others once that feature is put back on the site.
It takes 6 weeks for the file to process so you want to get the file
uploaded as soon as possible.

You should also read the following presentation on autosomal testing
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21841126/DNA.pptx

Regards,
Armando

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Hello my name is Edward Arce Luna I'm really new at this DNA testing,but I
would like
some information. I have done DNA testing on ancestry.com I did the
paternal and maternal testing I've also did family Finder DNA testing on
family tree DNA . I would like to get some of my siblings, uncles, aunts,
Tested. I'm not sure which test would benefit me, Would it be the
Paternal DNA or maternal or family finder testing.?Any books or any website
you
Can recommend that would give some basic information on the DNA testing
interpretations?
I have done the DNA testing on ancestry.com. Which is the paternal and
maternal.
I also done some DNA testing on family DNA. Now the family Finder DNA
results are somewhat different compared to the ancestry.com DNA testing I'm
a little confused!
Saludos
Edward Luna

Hi Consuelo, please see my family line as I have many Robalcaba (various spellings), Soto and Sanches from Teocaltiche, Arroyo Seco, Jalisco. Please let me know if you see any familiar names. I too have Robalacaba fom Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes.

Consuelo,

I do have some connections with the Udave family. While they are seemingly not related to me, they did marry into my husband's family the Bargas or Vargas from Teocaltiche but the Udave's I have originated in Villa Hidalgo and then moved to Nochistlan, Zac.

Will you by chance be attending the conference in Sacramento on Sept 14th. Nueva Galicia Genealogcial Society.
http://www.nuevagalicia.net/special_events/

You'd get to meet other members with common interests and from the same region and you and I could review and exchange information. There will be two speakers presenting on Nueva Galicia with a focus on our regions. I will contact you off-line.

Alicia

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From: Consuelo Udave
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 3:46 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] As a brand new member...

I'd like to provide a brief introduction of my genealogy background for the membership at Nuestros Ranchos:

I began my mother's patrilineal genealogy research in June of 2010, and have been actively researching and documenting our Udabe ancestors, particularly from the towns of Teocaltiche (1700-1800) and Villa Hidalgo (1800-1930), with an emphasis on Rancho Arroyo Seco, just outside of Villa Hidalgo (formerly known as-Paso de Sotos) in Jalisco.  My mothers's matrilineal lineage derives mostly from Calvillo, Aguascalientes, and possibly from Zacatecas.

I'm eager to find other researchers who might have ties to or any information regarding the following surnames-
Udabe (Udave, Eudave, Udavi, etc.), Esparza, Salas, Serna, Soto, Lopez, Rios, Aguallo, Rubalcava, Penalola, Ornelas, Romo, Reynoso, Rodriguez, Sanches, Arizmendes, Delgado, de la Serda-from the following locations: Teocaltiche, Paso de Sotos, Villa Hidalgo, and Rancho Arroyo Seco, in Jalisco, Mexico.

I'm also researching:
Penalosa, Salas, Martinez, Mondragon, Marin, Bargas, Rubio, Duron, Salasar, Ramirez, Marques, Robalcava-in Calvillo, Aguascalientes, Mexico.  I'm looking for  any information for Pablo Salas and Juana Mondragon, probably married in Aguascalientes, around the timeframe of 1840-1850, and their son, Magdaleno Salas, born about 1851…location unknown…but most likely in Aguascalientes, also.

I believe my mother's Udabe ancestor originated in the Basque areas of Spain, however, I've yet to identify or document any specific ancestral connections across the Atlantic.  I've located and "googled" a small village by the name of Udabe-Basaburua in the Pyrenees Mountains, and have been able to enjoy seeing a 360-degree view of it from the main road through town.  The countryside is quite beautiful and pastoral, from what I can see!

I'm willing to exchange information, and I do my own research and documentation.  I speak very little Spanish, but can read and understand "un poquito"- (especially with the help of online translation sites).  I was born and raised in the United States, and both of my parents (now deceased) spoke Spanish at home…so I'm not totally unfamiliar with the language.

I've followed the Nuestros Ranchos website for several years now-in the public forums and I very recently obtained N.R. membership.  I look forward to corresponding with the various researchers within the N. R. membership.

Sincerely,
Consuelo H. Udave
Bremerton, WA, USA

Welcome, I like your resume!

I know you'll accomplish your goals. We have a few common surnames that we're researching. Most of mine are from Jalisco and Zacatecas.

I have a free RootsWeb.com Family Tree that perhaps may help you. It's called "jalisco families" and this is the link

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jalisco_fa…

Jose Carlos de Leon