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Roy,

The marriage record reads as follows:

"Hernando de Torres Espitia con Juana Macias"

"En 11 de enero de 615 años desposó el Padre Juan de Estrada,
Cura y Vicario de esta Villa, a Hernando de Torres Espitia,
natural de México, con Juana Macías natural de Los Gallos,
hija de Felipe Macías, premisas las solemnidades, sien-
do testigos Alonso Peguero y Francisco Macías. Velolos
el Padre Lorenzo Rodríguez de la Vera en Los Gallos a 17 de
septiembre de 1619 años. Padrinos Gaspar Macías
y Mariana de Torres, vecinos de Los Gallos. [firma] Lorenzo Rodríguez."

Only Juana's father Felipe Macías is mentioned in this record. The area known as Los Gallos is just about 15 miles SSE of the city of Aguascalientes, in Jalisco (Cerro de Los Gallos).

Rgds,

BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: rvr_jr@msn.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 10:21 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Marriage record: Hernando de Torres Espitia conJuana Macias - 11 Jan 1615

It took me a long time to find this marriage record in the middle of the Baptism records.
Now, can someone please help me determine the names of their parents?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-50852-3?cc=1502404&w…

Hernando, natural de mer...co (abv.?)con Juana Macias, natural de los gallos (sp?)
hija de Felipe Macias, etc.

Thank you in advance,
Roy

Hi,
I have Francisco Velasco and Maria Ceron married Nov 19, 1636 in Mix1uiahuala, Hidalgo, Mexico
Church record states that Francisco is a "national de la ciudad de Sevilla" His parents are listed as Antonio de Velasco and Maria de Arce I suppose they are from Sevilla also.

Maria Ceron's parents are listed as Juan Ceron And Agustina Perez (both deceased )

Their children I have are:
Juan Velasco Ceron Baptized Nov 2, 1636, San Antonio Mixquiahuala, Hidalgo

Francisco Velasco Ceron - Baptized Jan 12, 1638, San Antonio, Mixqiahula
( he married Nicolasa Ruiz de Esparza Nov 19, 1665, Aguascalientes, Ags.

Francisco Velasco is my 9th generation great grandfather

Aurora Romo

The entire link isn't "hot"....if you copy the entire address and paste it in it works.
AJB

I clicked on the link and nothing happens. Are we missing something???

Ann M. Gutierrez

________________________________
From: Joseph Puentes
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tue, June 4, 2013 7:27:56 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] FW: El Sagrario, Aguascalientes film offline at
FamilySearch?

From: H. Leandro Soria
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 10:47 AM
To: Joseph Puentes
Subject: RE: El Sagrario, Aguascalientes film offline at FamilySearch?

Joseph,

The films corresponding to the parish of La Asunción de María (also known as
El Sagrario) are available online under the city of Aguascalientes. The link
to those images is:
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea…
rg%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM99K-9XW%3An1858513207%3Fcc%3D1502404

The last change made to Mexico Catholic Church Records collections took
place on February 25th. The old "super-collection" Mexico, Catholic Church
Records was divided by states.

I hope this helps.

H. Leandro Soria

Record Specialist

Collection Operations

Annette

I think at some point the films were re-posted with the proper name of the church: Asuncion de Maria. Some other changes to the Mexico resources were made as well.

Microfilm Film numbers are also now there. If you recorded image numbers from the original posting, you will now find that they are a few images off.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

maybe you went wrong with this league

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https://familysearch.or…

This book is still available through Lulu Press at http://www.lulu.com/us/en

The book can be downloaded as a pdf that is fully searchable. The cost is very nominal.

The Lulu Press description of the book is:

The descendants in this book come from various towns in Nueva Galicia which covers the span of nearly 600 years.

The towns involved include Aguascalientes, Asientos, Calvillo, and Rincon de Romos in Aguascalientes; Teocaltiche, Santa Maria de los Lagos (Lagos de Moreno), San Juan de los Lagos, Ojuelos, and Jalostotitlan in Jalisco; Nochistlan, Sierra de Pinos and Villa del Refugio (Tabasco) in Zacatecas.

There are 246 surnames and these families are listed alphabetically. Common surnames include Alva, Carrillo, Chavez, Delgado, Delgadillo, Fernandez de Palos, Gonzales, Lozano, Macias, Oliva, Perez, Romo de Vivar, Rubalcava, Ruiz de Esparza, Santos, Saucedo, Texeda, Tiscareno and Ximenes just to name a few.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola rose
pedro alonso de los inojos y ana dominguez
mat 3 mayo 1632 sierra de pinos
como poder encontrar este documento ?
microfilm?
saludos

Rose:

I received your book in the mail yesterday. Congratulations. It is a great compilation of very valuable genealogical information.

I notice that you have Colotlan parish records listed as one of your sources and I was wondering if you could point out what branches/surnames are from Colotlan. Just curious to see if we have some common ancestors. I know that some of my Tepechitlan families must have come from Nochistlan, i.e. "Gonzalez de Yslas" etc are definitely Nochistlense names.

I highly encourage you to try to get it distributed as far and wide as possible. I recently donated copies of my book to a number of libraries including the Los Angeles Public Library and the Library of Congress.

In addition to being a great source of pride, I think it is important that that our research get recognition and shelf space. Walking into many genealogy collections at libraries would lead to you believe that the U.S. population is all of English, Irish and German descendancy.

The Library of Congress Genealogy Reading Room dedicates a whole six inches of shelf space to Mexican genealogy.

Talk to George Farias at Borderlands Books about distributing your book. He gets orders from many libraries that collect Latino/Mexican genealogical works.

The book is a great resource. It was being sold directly by Luz Montejano Hilton for about $100 plus shipping from Mexico City.

The same records that can be found in the book can now be found online in the Matrimonios volumes at https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea… and are being indexed at http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/

Armando

Tina

This is a very useful resource, unfortunately it is out of print. However, it is available in some libraries.

A according to Worldcat it is available at the Arizona State Library, Phoenix, as well as the University of Arizona Library, Tucson.

Worldcat, www.worldcat.org, is a very convenient way to locate hard to find books. Many libraries, but not all, are part of this system. If you enter your Zipcode, Worldcat gives you a list of libraries beginning with the one closest to you.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Hello Tina,

Your post was never mailed out so only people that visit this thread at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/21546 will see the post.

There are a lot of records lost or damaged long before they started to microfilm the records so that might be why you can't find the baptism you are looking for.

Your ancestor Teresa Infante Moreno is very likely related to the Díaz-Infante family and to the Moreno de Ortega family.

The godparents of her daughter Luisa de Yepes were Bartolomé Díaz-Infante González-Soriano and María Ana de Anda Altamirano y Moreno de Ortega married 8 Jan 1708 in Lagos de Moreno.

An uncle of Bartolomé was Diego Díaz Infante Espinosa married to Teresa Moreno de Ortega Villegas 24 Nov 1651 in Lagos de Moreno.

Since Manuel Yepes and Teresa Infante Moreno had their first recorded child baptized on 24 Jan 1715 they were married the beginning in 1714 or prior to that. You should search the volumes of Información Matrimonial to see if they had a matrimonial investigation recorded in Lagos in the beginning in 1714 or prior to that.

Also if you look at the godparents of all of the Diaz Infante children and their marriages between 1680 and 1750 you might find a clue. Also the testigos in the Información Matrimonial records might also give you some clues. Other clues to look for are the ranches they were said to have been born in. The children of Teresa Infante Moreno were born in Mariquita, Salsipuedes (belonged to the Moreno de Ortega family) and Portezuelo.

Regards,
Armando

Kristine,

Most of the time that records aren't digitized online it is because they were lost or damaged long before they started to microfilm them. That seems to be what happened in Jerez. That is why Katy was telling you that it is likely that your only hope is finding a dispensa that mentions your ancestors.

Also, the document you linked states that Joseph Vicente was an hijo legitimo and not hijo ilegitimo. In those days illegitimate children were called hijo natural (one parent is known or both but weren't married) or hijo de padres no conocidos (neither parent is known) and not hijo ilegitimo.

Armando

esp is an abbrebiation for espanol. in that context, it means that lineage-wise the child was supposedly white.

you can learn more about the caste system here (although there are some exceptions to the rules stated on that link. for example in jerez (and other nearby towns) people with as much as 1/4 amerindian ancestry usually got the espanol label. occasionally i've seen people whomarked as espanol, then i later found out they had 50%+ amerindian ancestry)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta

Hello Ashlynn,

I posted most of the following in your thread at
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/21539 but since at times the email
notifications fail for posts on sites at times I will send it in an email
with some additional info.

The parents of José Ruvalcaba were Juan Antonio Rubalcava Villalobos and
Isabel Macias married 27 May 1764 in Aguascalientes.

Film 299828

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11082-70037-48?

Juan Antonio Rubalcava Villalobos was baptized 8 Feb 1730 in Aguascalientes
and his parents were Miguel González de Rubalcava and María Villalobos y
Escoto Tovar.

The registro matrimonial and the Información Matrimonial of Miguel González
de Rubalcava and María Villalobos y Escoto Tovar are missing but the
parents of María Villalobos y Escoto Tovar are known thanks to the
following dispensa

Dispensa Film 168151 Matrimonios 1809
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18427-72604-54?

Tronco del árbol Isidro de Villalobos
Franco Javier Villalobos 1o grado María de Villalobos
Angela Villalobos 2o grado Felipa Robalcaba
Pedro Merino 3o grado Antonio Arias
Alexo Merino 4o grado Antonia Arias
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18427-72602-32?

María Villalobos y Escoto Tovar was baptized 28 Feb 1694 in Aguascalientes
and her parents were Isidro de Villalobos Macías Valadez and Francisca
Gertrudis Escoto y Tovar.

Isidro de Villalobos Macías Valadez was buried 27 April 1699 in
Aguascalientes. His parents were Francisco de Villalobos y Pérez and María
Vásquez de Retamosa who married 22 May 1640 in Teocaltiche.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19053-2891-27?

The reason we know we have the right baptism of Isidro de Villalobos Macías
Valadez is because of a dispensa that shows that he is a sibling of Antonia
de Villalobos and her registro matrimonial mentions her parents.

Dispensa - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-73711-18?

Matrimonio - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12446-30300-45?

Dispensas that mention descendants of Francisco de Villalobos y Pérez and
María Vásquez de Retamosa

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-73311-6?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18401-10098-46?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-38179-52?

Francisco de Villalobos y Pérez was baptized 31 July 1595 in Mexico City
the son of Cristóbal de Villalobos and María Pérez de Nava who married 18
April 1567 in Mexico City.

Bautismo - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12448-13682-87?

Matrimonio - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11174-910-34?

velados xpoval de villa
lovos i ma peres
En diez y nueve de Octubre de mill y quinientos y nobenta
y quatro años yo El bachiller Joan ugarte aviendose echo
las amonestaciones y de mas diligencias y con
madamiento del provisor y no ? de ni
gun ynpedimento despose y di la ben[roto]
nunpciales en esta iglesia a Xpoval [roto]
vz de esta ciudad y natural en la villa de [roto]
en los reynos de castilla hijo de mateo [roto]
vos y de bernardina Lan clares con [roto]
natural desta ciudad hija de Xpoval [roto]
madalena siendo testigos diego muñoz [roto]
? y franco blanco y andres [roto]

Since the marriage document is torn the surname of Maria Perez's father is
not seen nor the first name of her mother but we can conclude that the
surname should be Perez and the mother's surname is Madalena (Magdalena).
Therefore her parents are Cristóbal Pérez and ? Magdalena. There is a
marriage entry in the same church for a couple with these names within a
reasonable time frame for them to be the parents of María.

Cristóbal Pérez López and María Magdaleno Hernández married 19 Dec 1577

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11174-1223-17?

"En diez y nueve de diziembre de mill quinos y setenta y siete años El
bachiller Diego de Fuentes clerigo presbitero con my licencia desposo a ¿?
Christoval Perez hijo de Hernan de Perez y de Maria Lopez su mujer que es
de Granatula [de Calatrava] jurisdiccion de Almagro Castia [Castilla] y
Maria Magdalena hija de Goncalo Magdalena y de Maria Hernandez su mujer que
es ¿? aviendo ¿? primero hechas en esta iglesia de la beracruz las
diligencias conforme a derecho ¿? Christoval Perez dio información como era
libre de matrimonyo como consta por el mandamiento.......Diego de Fuentes
....hallado presentes Diego de Baeça del ¿? Pedro ? ...Juan Go. Hermosilla
que es de Mexico"

Luis Alvarez Pereira

María Vásquez de Retamosa who married Francisco de Villalobos 22 May 1640
in Teocaltiche was baptized 27 Jan 1620 in Aguascalientes. Her parents were
Gaspar Macias de Valades and Mariana de Torres who were married 26 Mar 1612
in Aguascalientes.

Bautismo - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-50662-25?

Matrimonio - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19053-2891-27?

Regards,

Armando

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Ashlynn Castaneda <
ashlynn.castaneda@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hola miembros,
>
> My name is Ashlynn Marie Castaneda. I joined a few weeks ago, but didn't
> get a chance to introduce myself while finishing up classes. I just
> graduated college last week and am taking a year off for an internship
> before going to law school. I'm hoping to use this time to further my
> ancestral search. I'm focusing on my female line right now since my dad is
> not nearly as interested or as excited as my mom by searching for records.
> I'm hoping to find the marriage record and parents of Apolonia de Mendoza
> and Jose Ruvalcaba. I believe they're both from Encarnación de Díaz. They
> would've been married somewhere between 1800 - 1820, I'm guessing. They
> probably would've been born around 1800. I only know they're names from the
> marriage record of their child that I descend from. Hopefully, someone will
> be able to assist.
>
> Have a great Memorial Day weekend,
>
> Ashlynn

Ashlynn,
 
Esther is right, the parents are Salvador de Mendoza and Maria Delgado. That is confirmed by the marriage  record of Apolonia de Mendoza and Jose de Robalcaba who were married on 15 Jan 1806 in Encarnacion de Diaz. Here is the link: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-57408-10?cc=1874591&wc…
 
Salvador de Mendoza and Maria Lopez Delgado are my 5th Great Grandparents through Apolonia's sister Maria Guadalupe de Mendoza.  I can give you a little more information, but I dead end a generation later. Salvador de Mendoza, mestizo and Maria Lopez Delgado, Española were married on 29 May 1774 at Nuestra Señora de los Dolores in Teocaltiche. Maria Lopez Delgado is the hija natural of Esteban Lopez and Rita Delgado. Salvador de Mendoza is the legitimate son of indian chieftain don Blas de Mendoza, Cacíque and Maria de Jesus Díaz, Española.
 
Actually, If anyone has the parents or knows anything about don Blas de Mendoza or Maria de Jesus Díaz, that would be great. Thanks everyone.
 
Christopher de Cuellar
 
 

________________________________
From: Ashlynn Castaneda
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 3:17 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apolonia de Mendoza

Hola miembros,

My name is Ashlynn Marie Castaneda. I joined a few weeks ago, but didn't
get a chance to introduce myself while finishing up classes. I just
graduated college last week and am taking a year off for an internship
before going to law school. I'm hoping to use this time to further my
ancestral search. I'm focusing on my female line right now since my dad is
not nearly as interested or as excited as my mom by searching for records.
I'm hoping to find the marriage record and parents of Apolonia de Mendoza
and Jose Ruvalcaba. I believe they're both from Encarnación de Díaz. They
would've been married somewhere between 1800 - 1820, I'm guessing. They
probably would've been born around 1800. I only know they're names from the
marriage record of their child that I descend from. Hopefully, someone will
be able to assist.

Have a great Memorial Day weekend,

Ashlynn

There's a child born 8 Apr 1816 (film # 1155174) in Encarnacion de Diaz,
Jalisco named Ma. Teodora Robalcaba Mendoza and it lists not only Jose
Robalcaba an Apolonia Mendosa but also mentions maternal grandparents as:
Salvador Mendoza and Maria Delgado.

I think that might change their marriage date to an earlier time. Another
child besides those you might already have is Rafaela Rubalcaba Mendoza,
ch. 10 Sep 1817, film # 1155174.

Hope this helps.
-Esther

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Ashlynn Castaneda <
ashlynn.castaneda@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hola miembros,
>
> My name is Ashlynn Marie Castaneda. I joined a few weeks ago, but didn't
> get a chance to introduce myself while finishing up classes. I just
> graduated college last week and am taking a year off for an internship
> before going to law school. I'm hoping to use this time to further my
> ancestral search. I'm focusing on my female line right now since my dad is
> not nearly as interested or as excited as my mom by searching for records.
> I'm hoping to find the marriage record and parents of Apolonia de Mendoza
> and Jose Ruvalcaba. I believe they're both from Encarnación de Díaz. They
> would've been married somewhere between 1800 - 1820, I'm guessing. They
> probably would've been born around 1800. I only know they're names from the
> marriage record of their child that I descend from. Hopefully, someone will
> be able to assist.
>
> Have a great Memorial Day weekend,
>
> Ashlynn