I have just become aware that FamilySearch.org makes a distinction between
the "...cia" and the "...sia" forms of this name. It is my impression that
these names are interchangeable. The first "c" is sometimes an "s", but
that passes the "exact spelling:off" screen, but not the second "c" or "s".
Basically, that means one has to look-up both forms of the name when
researching.
Is anyone familir with Matansas Jalisco area?
estos achivos los tengo en pdf, menos los Dicionarios que no los puedo combertir a pdf, PEROMM SERIAN PARA EL FORO NO PARA MANDAR INDIVIDUALMENTE POR CORREO
Pasajeros a Indias de Liébana y sus valles circundantes 1503 - 1790
Monografia de Jerez Zacatecas
Monografia de Zacatecas
Tratado de Heraldica
Analisis Geodemografico de los apellidos en mexico
Diccionario Heraldico
Letras heraldicas para escribir en pc
Dos hojas de los decendientes de moctezuma del Archivo de Pares
Los Cuatro Diccionarios novohispanos de tomas hillerkuss en word aunque fue un regalo y no se si seria etico regalarlos mas adelante
Arturo Ramos y Bil Figueroa, pudieron convertir el bak de Bernanrdino
fernandes de velasco, del siglo 14
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Kutsaraipa: Lugar Mítico donde se Reunieron los Antepasados
http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com
http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/
http://jerezzacatecas-salvador.blogspot.com/
http://club.telepolis.com/jerz/
http://jerez-zacatecas.blogdiario.com/
http://jerez-zacatecas.blog.galeon.com/
http://jerezzacatecas.galeon.com/
salvador cabral valdes
que ramos la pagina esta fallando
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Kutsaraipa: Lugar Mítico donde se Reunieron los Antepasados
http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com
http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/
http://jerezzacatecas-salvador.blogspot.com/
http://club.telepolis.com/jerz/
http://jerez-zacatecas.blogdiario.com/
http://jerez-zacatecas.blog.galeon.com/
http://jerezzacatecas.galeon.com/
salvador cabral valdes
*
Cayetano de La Vega* nació en Rincón de Romos, Auguascalientes, Mexico se
casó con *-Luisa Antonia Ramirez*. -Luisa nació en Rincón de Romos,
Auguascalientes, Mexico
*
Francsco de Chaves* nació en Rincón de Romos, Auguascalientes, Mexico.se
casó con *-Teresa Garcia*. -Teresa tuvo su bautismo infantil en Rincón de
Romos, Auguascalientes, Mexico.
*
-Jacinto Castañeda* nació en Rincón de Romos, Auguascalientes, Mexico.se
casó con *-Maria Gertrudis Martinez*. -Maria nació en Rincón de Romos,
Auguascalientes, Mexico
*
Vicente Luebana* nació en Rincón de Romos, Auguascalientes, Mexico.se casó
con *-Ana Martinez*. -Ana nació en Aguascalientes, Mexico
*
Manuel Romo de Vivar* nació en Rincón de Romos, Auguascalientes, Mexico.
se casó con *-Maria Gertrudis Luera*. -Maria nació en Rincón de Romos
Auguascalientes, Mexico.
*
Manuel Antonio Femad* nació en Rincón de Romos, Auguascalientes, Mexico.casó
con *-Maria Josefa Esparza*. -Maria nació en Rincón de Romos,
Auguascalientes, Mexico.
*
Francisco Garcia* nació en Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico.se casó con *-Juana
Silveria Gil*. -Juana nació en Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico
*
-Joachin Pedrosa*. Rincón de Romos, Auguascalientes, Mexico.se casó con *-Maria
Antonia Sanchez*. Rincón de Romos, Auguascalientes, Mexico
*
Marcelo de La Torre* nació en Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico.se casó
con *-Gertrudis
de Araisa*. nació en Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
*
Juan de Luna* nació en Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico.se casó con *-Juana
de Arce*. -Juana nació en Asientos, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
*
Felipe Diaz* nació en Aguascalientes, Mexico.se casó con *-Josefa Medina* el
15 Febrero 1705 en El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
*
Francisco Cardona* nació en Aguascalientes, Mexico.se casó con *-Luisa
Gonsales*. -Luisa nació en Aguascalientes, Mexico.
*
Diego Romo de Vivar* tuvo su bautismo infantil en 1550 en Rielves, Toledo,
España.se casó con *-Catalina Perez*. -Catalina nació en Rielves, Toledo,
España
*
Juan De Molina* tuvo su bautismo infantil en Triana Sevilla, Andalucía,
España.se casó con *-Elvira Marquez*. -Elvira tuvo su bautismo infantil en
Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes.
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Kutsaraipa: Lugar Mítico donde se Reunieron los Antepasados
http://jerez-zacatecas.galeon.com
http://club.telepolis.com/letorre/
http://jerezzacatecas-salvador.blogspot.com/
http://club.telepolis.com/jerz/
http://jerez-zacatecas.blogdiario.com/
http://jerez-zacatecas.blog.galeon.com/
http://jerezzacatecas.galeon.com/
salvador cabral valdes
Estimados amigos quiero saber si se esta planeando una reonión de Historia y Genealogía en Los Altos como la hubo en Valle de Guadalupe en el 2008, me gustaría poder cooperar de cualquier forma y proponer sea en San Miguel el Alto y con una mayor duración y actividad académica.
Hasta pronto.
Lic. Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez
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en Google en la seccion de libros se encuentra un libro para ver casi esta completo y se encuentra en ingles sobre
The Encomenderos of New Spain, 1521-1555 Escrito por Robert Himmerich y Valencia
1823. Jalisco, formerly a Province, is elevated to the status of State. The Jalisco of 1823 is considerably larger than the Jalisco of today, including regions that are today in the states of Nayarit, Colima and Zacatecas.
I found this in a historical journal regarding the state of Jalisco
El ano 1823, se eleva Jalisco como estado, siendo anteriormente solo una provincia. El Jalisco de 1823 siendo mas grande de lo que es hoy. Incluia regiones de Nayarit, Colima y Zacatecas.
Alicia,
San Jose, Calif
Las Genealogías de Jerez Zacatecas siempre serán inconclusas.
Serán inconclusas por la extracción de archivos de la iglesia, según consta en documento presentado en el libro de Filigranas, Fundaciones y Genealogías del Sr José León Robles de la Torre en el tomo de Jerez, Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, en la pagina 60, donde dice que el día 5 de julio de 1867, a nombre de gobierno del estado se le entregaran los libros, en total fueron 96 en total, 56 de bautismos, 22 de matrimonio, y 18 de defunciones. Los cuales aparentemente fueron quemados e la revolución, para poder avanzar en nuestra genealogía solo nos queda seguir buscando en los archivos de la sagrada mitra que no fueron consultados por la genealogista Doña luz Montejano, no se si alguien sepa mas de esto
Navegando en internet me encontre un gedcom de Bernardino de Velazco el supuesto padre de Diego, nadamas que es muy pesado 18,852 lo que seria el bak, pero poca gente que desiende de diego lo tiene, como podria compartirlo
I updated my file on my DE ESCOBEDO ancestral line down to and including my parents
Hola a todos,
Con los árboles genealógicos de Uds y un análisis de ADN podrian ayudar a otras personas. Desde el 9 de Junio hasta el 24 de Junio www.familytreedna.com tiene un descuento de mas de 50% de análisis de ADN Y-DNA37+mtDNA por US$119 para los que participan en cualquier proyecto. Recomiendo que participen en en el proyecto México-DNA usando el siguiente enlace - http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Mexico-DNA
El administrador del grupo tiene una fantástica página en http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm y tambien un foro en http://www.ybase.org/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=511
El envio internacional solo son US$6 extra. Si necesitan traducción de íngles a español estoy a sus ordenes.
Saludos
Hello everyone,
Using your family trees and a DNA analysis you could help a lot of people out. From June 9 to June 24 there is a %50 discount on Y-DNA37+mtDNA for US$119 for participants in any group project. I recommend joining the Mexico-DNA project at http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Mexico-DNA
The admin has a great site at http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm and also a forum at http://www.ybase.org/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=511
International orders are only US$6 extra.
Saludos
Hi All, I am wondering if anyone has any San Miguel El Alto films on Loan or are located at their local FHC.
I have this line that I can find possibly the grandparents of one ancestor, since I dont have the marriage of the parents.
María Jesús Gutiérrez de la Cruz
24 June 1829
San Miguel El Alto, Jalisco, México
Hija de Pedro Gutiérrez y Isidra de la Cruz
Many Thanks,
Daniel
Hello Everyone, seeing the post today in regards to Y DNA results, It occurred to me that I said I would share my results when they came in. Sorry I didn't do this sooner, although I'm sure no one was losing sleep over it ( HA !) My Y DNA results are E1b1b1a2 \ Shorthand E-V13. It is the 3rd most common haplogroup among European men and considered one of the core or founding groups in Europe. It is the only E subclade that is found in low frequencies (2% ) in N. Africa. This subclade is associated with the Balkans where the largest worldwide percentage of E-V13 is found. It is used to identify ancient peoples such as the Illyrians, Thracians and Macedonians, as well as Greeks. Modern populations that show high percentages of E-V13 are Albanians, Peloponnesian Greeks, Bulgarians and Macedonians.
As far as Spain is concerned, it is found in low numbers and mostly confined to the west of the country, the highest percentages being found in Extremadura (9%), Galicia (7%) and NW Castile (6%). It was, at one time, thought to be found in Spain due to ancient Greek exploration and settlement, but Greek settlements noted are only found on the east coast in the regions of Cataluña and Valencia. The vast majority of “E” Y DNA in Spain is associated with the Berbers, but this is sub clade E-M81.
One theory as to how a DNA marker so prevalent in the Balkans and the Eastern Mediterranean made it's way to Western Europe and Spain can be found in a town in Wales called Abegele. A study was conducted involving the town and out of 18 men tested, 7 tested positive for the marker E-V13. A wider study was conducted and it concluded that 40 % of the men in the town carried the E-V13 marker. It turns out in antiquity; Abergele was an important Roman town. It was not garrisoned by Romans \ Italians, but by Thracian auxiliaries and other men with a Balkan origin. A similar scenario could also apply to Spain, perhaps the marker made it's way there with auxiliaries in the Roman army ? The E-V13 marker also found it's way into Afghanistan and Pakistan with the men in Alexander the Great's army. A small percentage is found amongst groups who claim these men as their ancestors.
So what does it all mean?well, for one, I'm the only E-V13 on Gary Felix's website, the “Geneology of Mexico”. There are others who have the same 12 \37 marker results, but have not done the deep clade test, so who knows ? As far as helping me with my genealogy studies, as of yet it has not. I'm thinking that my ancestors in Spain may have come from one of the western provinces, perhaps Extremadura, but it’s all speculation at this point. Sorry to bore you all ! Thanks for your patience!
Robert ~
I've understood that the coat of arms was a first born to first born to
first born "thing". Heck how would I know if my line of Puentes
currently wears the Coat, heck even if it does it wouldn't be me since
my brother is older than I and my Dad is second born and my grandfather
was second born and my great grandfather was second born, hmmm this is
getting interesting. Anyway I wasn't willing to shell out any money for
something I am not going to wear.
Yes I think you do have to pay to get the info they offer but I would
just do a print screen of what you see and then call one of the
libraries that own this set of volumes
(http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html) and see how much
they charge for photocopy services:
Name Vol. Page
Cerroa 26 101
Cerrudo 26 102
Cervantes 26 102-108
Cervató 26 102
Cervato 26 102
Cervatón 26 102
Cervatos 26 102
and
Olaeta 63 188
Olagorta 63 191
Olagüe 63 191
Olaguer 63 191
Olaiz 63 194
Olaizola 63 195
Olalde 2 130
There will be pages and pages of info on these names, all in spanish,
and that should cover the written part of names you are researching.
joseph
======================
Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
Emilie Garcia wrote:
> Joseph,
>
> I tried to print out my surnames and Tony's (Olague and Cervantes)
and they wouldn't print off this website. Did you have to pay to get
the image and the history? They wanted almost $20.00 just for the image.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
I've understood that the coat of arms was a first born to first born to
first born "thing". Heck how would I know if my line of Puentes
currently wears the Coat, heck even if it does it wouldn't be me since
my brother is older than I and my Dad is second born and my grandfather
was second born and my great grandfather was second born, hmmm this is
getting interesting. Anyway I wasn't willing to shell out any money for
something I am not going to wear.
Yes I think you do have to pay to get the info they offer but I would
just do a print screen of what you see and then call one of the
libraries that own this set of volumes
(http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index_gc.html) and see how much
they charge for photocopy services:
Name Vol. Page
Cerroa 26 101
Cerrudo 26 102
Cervantes 26 102-108
Cervató 26 102
Cervato 26 102
Cervatón 26 102
Cervatos 26 102
and
Olaeta 63 188
Olagorta 63 191
Olagüe 63 191
Olaguer 63 191
Olaiz 63 194
Olaizola 63 195
Olalde 2 130
There will be pages and pages of info on these names, all in spanish,
and that should cover the written part of names you are researching.
joseph
======================
Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
Emilie Garcia wrote:
> Joseph,
>
> I tried to print out my surnames and Tony's (Olague and Cervantes)
and they wouldn't print off this website. Did you have to pay to get
the image and the history? They wanted almost $20.00 just for the image.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
This is a message sent to me from a fellow ranchos member, Olivia
Jaurequi-Reyes.
joseph
======================
Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Fw: [CA-SCGS] California Legislation Threatens Records
Availability - Need Your Help
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:07:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Olivia Jaurequi-Jaurequi
To: Joseph Puentes
Hello Jospeh,
I received this email yesterday and thought I'd forward it along to you
to be sent to Ranchos members if you think appropriate. Don't know if
you've received any information on Assembly Bill 130 which is to be
heard in the Senate Appropriations Committee sometime soon. I'm
associate with GSHA-SC and received it from my contact. If passed the
bill will most probably affect most researchers in California.
Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
Rowland Heights, CA
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Donie Nelson
To: GSHA-SC eNews List
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 4:29:02 PM
Subject: FW: [CA-SCGS] California Legislation Threatens Records
Availability - Need Your Help
Dear Researcher:
Please read the message below from our colleagues at SCGS. This affects
anyone who accesses California records now or in the future. We need to
write to Gov. Schwarzenegger NOW.
Donie Nelson
eNews You Can Use
Genealogical Society of Hispanic America - Southern California
310-204-6808
http://www.scgsgenealogy.com/GSHA.htm
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------ Forwarded Message
From: "Paula Hinkel"
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:27:55 -0700
To:
Subject: [CA-SCGS] California Legislation Threatens Records Availability -
Need Your Help
Passing along this notice from
Liz Stookesberry Myers
California Alliance of Genealogical Societies
Legislative Committee
Assembly Bill 130 will be heard in the Senate Appropriations
Committee very soon. It was introduced by Kevin Jeffries
(Republican) of the Temecula area. The Bill was presented at the
request of the Recorder Association of California. They want to be
able to handle Marriage Records the same as Birth and Death Records.
That means that they can black out the Mother's Maiden name, if the
County Recorder chooses. The Recorder also has the option of sending
out an informational copy only.
The main concern is what the Recorder of each county may or may not
choose to do. At least that is the way it is written today.
As we know, the unfounded fear of ID theft is a worry to
legislatures on the state and national levels. Yet, research shows
that ID Theft is caused by Data Hackers or stolen items from a
friend or acquaintance!
I urge you to notify the Senate Appropriation's Committee and your
State Representatives of our feelings about access to these public
records. Remind them that these records help us to find family and
determine if an inherited disease is running through the family
lines. That seems to get their attention.
Go to www.senate.ca.gov/ and click on Committees go to: Standing
Committee to Appropriations. There you will see the members of the
committee and staff information. Call or write these committee
members and let them know how important changing this rule is to
genealogists world wide!
Go to http://www.legislature.ca.gov/ to find your local
representative. When this bill goes to the Senate and Assembly
Floor, we will need to jump in and let them know how important
access to these records is to us!
We have been advised by Jan Meisels Allen, of the International
Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies and Chairperson, of
Public Records Access and Monitoring Committee to "write to the
governor as it can be heard as soon as today and the way this bill
is moving it won't take long for it to pass both houses on the
floor." Urge the governor to veto the bill..."
http://gov.ca.gov/interact#contact
Please take a moment to make a call, or write a letter or Fax your
thoughts. It will only happen if we take the time to do it now!
- * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * -
SCGS is now a FamilySearch Center.
Order your microfilms at the SCGS
Family Research Library.
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If anyone in the group has information and feels inclined to help please
send reply to this person who needs help in researching how to find a
person buried in Guadalajara in 1993.
thanks,
joseph
======================
Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Nuestros Ranchos user notice
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:14:39 -0400
From:
Reply-To: kjsooners@classicnet.net
To: moderator@nuestrosranchos.org
I am so sorry that I didn't reply sooner. This isnt really what I was
looking for. I need help with questions in regards to doing research in
Guadalajara - finding out where someone is buried. We dont have alot of
genealogy to share because there is only one family member that is
buried there and we just recently found out that is where he passed
away. He left Texas in the early 1960's and we had no idea on where he
went. He died in 1993 and is buried there. We just don't know where.
Trying to find out information on cemeteries as his granddaughter will
be coming to this area for Christmas 09 and would like to visit his grave.
Thank you for your help.
I am also the third generation born in this country. My father was raised in
East L.A. his grandparents came from Aguascalientes and Culiacan. My father
only spoke spanish until the age of 5 when he started attending public
school. My mother is a NewYorican ( a Puerto Rican from New York) her mother
came as a girl w/parents from Humacao, PR. She says she dosen't ever
remember not understanding both english and spanish. While both my parents
are bilingual they never taught their children spanish. They would say they
spoke primarily in english because they "think in english". The funny thing
is that they spoke spanish around us just enough for us to understand what
was being said when we heard the language, but we can't speak it. I have
learned that the 3rd generation born in the US usually don't speak spanish.
The first must speak it to communicate w/parents. The 2nd generation usually
speak it to communicate w/grandparents who frequently take care of them as
children. The third generation rarely speak spanish fluently. I have about
30 first cousins and none of them speak spanish except 2 of them who moved
to Mexico for an extended period of time to learn the language. I personally
feel like my parent did me a diservice.
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 4:03 PM,
wrote:
A good program for translation has yet to be invented. In my opinion there
will never be a sutible replacement for a human translator. Language itself
is so complex and subjective that a computer just can't do the job properly.
The person that comes up with a good translation program will be rolling in
cash, but it's most likley not possible. I know a good professional
translator, if anyone is interested in hiring him let me know and I'll pass
along contact his contact information.
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 4:06 PM,
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> From: arman212@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Google translate doesn't work
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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> Google translate really isn't good enough. I have been trying to find time
> in the past few days to translate for the readers that would like a
> translation. Even though I am not the best person to do translations I can
> do a better job than Google.
> An example is that even for the simple phrase "How's that?" Google
> translated it to "?C?mo es eso?" when it should be "?Esta bien?" or ?Que
> tal?
> "?Como les parecen?" means "How do you (plural) look like them?" It should
> be ?Que les parece? Please don't take it personal. I have done bad
> translations before and I will continue to do so. Also, typos can make it
> look like a person doesn't know how to write in that language.
>
> Cordially,
> Armando
>
>
> Las traducci?nes de Google realmente tiene demasiados errores. He estado
> tratando de encontrar tiempo de traducir para los lectores que les gustaria
> una traducci?n. Aun no soy el mejor para hacer traducciones pero lo podria
> hacer mejor que Google.
> Por ejemplo el simpre frase "How's that?" esta traducido por Google como
> "?C?mo es eso?" cuando deber?a ser "?Esta bien?" o ?Que tal?
> "?como les parecen?" quiere decir "How do you (plural) look like them?"
> cuando deber?a ser ?Que les parece? Por favor no lo tomes mal. He hecho mal
> las traducciones antes y seguir? haci?ndolo. Adem?s, errores por falta de
> usar bien el teclado pueden hacer que se vea que una persona no sabe
> escribir bien en ese idioma.
>
> Cordialmente,
> Armando
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
http://translate.google.com/translate_t#en|es|translate%20English%20into%20Spanish
Para los que necesitan traducir los e-mails a ingles/espanol
Link for those who need translations for Enlish/Spanish.
How's that? Ha! como les parecen?
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
Interpretations of Christening Records of Aguascalientes 1727-1762
Source:
Mexico Aguascalientes Catholic Church Records, Rincón de Romos.
Bautismos en la Parroquia de San José de Gracia, 1726-1762
(pilot.familysearch.org, images 1-221, image files 4340118_277-497)
... = omitted text
___ = unknown characters that are hidden in the gutter of the bound volume
( ) = text that is uncertain, or clarifying comments
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Interpretations of christenings Ags 1743
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En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
ocho dias de Dic 1742 ... Maria, mestisa __ nuebe dias de nasida
originaria del Puesto del Rio Blanco, hija lexitima de Maselino de
Herrera y Maria de los Dolores, fueron sus padrinos ____ de Aleman y
Juana Nicolasa
En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
sinco del mes de 1743 ... Maria Manuela, yndia nacida de dose
dias hija de padres no conocidos y originaria de dicha hazienda,
fueron padrinos Francisco Albares de la Torre y Maria Theresa
En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
veinte y siete ___ mes de henero 1743 ... Petra Lugarda, coyota __ tr.
(60?) dias de nacida, hija legitima de Matheo de Hortis y Maria de
Esparza, y es originaria de dicha hazienda, fueron sus padrinos Manuel
Duron y Antonia de Chabes
+En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en veinte y ___tro del mes de Febrero 1743 ... Joseph Antonio ( )
Natibo del Pueblo de San Joseph de Gracia de Nb. dias de nacido hijo
legitimo de Phelipe Bentura y Maria Josepha, fueron sus padrinos
Ma(nuel/gdaleno?) Antonio y Anna Maria de los Dolores
*En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en veinte y quatro del mes de Marzo 1743 ... Gertrudis, yndia
originaria del Pueblo de Señor San Joseph de Gracia de nuebe dias de
nacida hija lexitima de Francisco Rodrigues y Nicolasa de los Reies,
yndios, fueron sus padrinos Simón de Silba y Juana Catharina
{see also Ags, Sagrario, Bautismos 1717-1727, image 84 image filename
4339960_299.jpg " En la Villa de Aguascalientes en mes de
Agosto 1721 baptise y puse los Santos Olios á Francisco Xavier, indio
hijo legitimo de Manuel Rodrigues y de Juana de la Cruz, fueron us
padrinos Xpthobal Basques y Paula Garcia" and image 88, filename
4339960_303.jpg "En la Villa de Aguascalientes en ocho de Octubre 1721
baptise y puse los Santos Oleos á Nicolasa, india hija lexitima de
Matheo de los Reies y de Michaela Ramires, padrino Xpl (probably
Christóbal) Peres". Note: there were several Francisco Xavier's born
in 1721, and another born in 1734 who also married a Nicolasa de los
Reyes aka de los Santos aka de la Cruz - very confusing}
*En la Hazienda de Santigao Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en veinte y siete de Abril 1743 ... Maria Cecilia, mulata de diesiocho
dias de nacida originaria de dicha hazienda hija legitima de Pedro
Basques y Josepha Girosta, fueron sus padrinos Sebastian Cordero y
Maria de Esqueda
*En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en primero del mes de maio 1743 ... Juan George, yndio de nuebe dias
de nacido originario del Puesto de Garabato hijo legitimo de Alexandro
de Ybarra y de Nicolasa Garcia, sirbiente en Garabato, fueron sus
padrinos Andres Rodrigues y Andrea Felipa
En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
sinco del mes de Maio 1743 ... Aniceto de Jesus, de diesyocho dias de
nacido, yndio originario del Pueblo de San Joseph de Gracia hijo
lexitimo de Geronimo de Ortis y de Asencia Hernandes, fueron sus
padrinos Ysidro Joseph y Maria de / la Encarnasion
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En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
quinse del mes de io 1743 ... Juana Rosalia, yndia de dies dias de
nacida originaria del Pueblo de San Joseph de Gracia hija lexitima de
Ma____ Preciado y de Juana Dias, fueron sus padrinos Simon de Silba y
Juana Cath_____
En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
nuebe del mes de Junio 1743 ... Manuela Gertrud__, yndia natural del
Pueblo de San Joseph de Gracia de doze dias de nacida, hija legitima
de Juan Gonzales y de Maria de la Cruz, fueron sus padrinos Sipriano
de Herrera y Juana Muños
*En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en Veinte y (tres) del mes de Junio 1743 ... Juan Santo Sustinio,
coiote de dose dias de nacido originario de la Labor del Garabato hijo
legitimo de J___ Leandro y de Maria de Eredia difunta, fueron sus
padrinos Raphael Rodrigues y Efigenia Serrano
*En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en seis del mes de Junio ... Petra Gertrudis, de
quinse dias de nacida mulata hija legitima de Juan Basques y de Maria
de la Cruz, sirbientes de dicha hazienda, fueron sus padrinos Lazaro
de Santiago y Maria Josepha de Esparsa
*En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en 16 del mes de Julio 1743 ... Pedro Joseph, yndio de quinse dias de
nacido hijo legitimo de Jasinto Guerrero y de Juana Maria del Carmen,
originarios del el Pueblo de Señor San Joseph de Gracia, fueron sus
padrinos Juan Joseph de Alda(co) y Juana Antonia
En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
veinte y ocho de Julio 1743 ... Joseph Ygnacio, yndio de ocho dias de
nacido originario de la Labor del Garabato hijo lexitimo de Bernardo
Sedrano y de Maria Antonia sirbientes de dicha labor de Garabato,
fueron sus padrinos Francisco Xavier y Antonia Basilia
En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
quatro de Agosto 1743 ... Eusebio, yndio de un mes de nacido de padres
no conosido natural de dicha hazienda, fue su madrina Monica de
Salasar
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En la hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
quinse del mes de Septiembre 1743 ... Joseph Mariano, yndio de ocho
dias de nasido hijo legitimo de Joseph (Man?___) Ortis y de Eusevia
Francisca, sirbientes del Puesto de Garabato, fueron sus padrinos
Lorenzo Siriaco y Maria Domingues
En la hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
tres del mes de Octubre 1743 ... Joseph Maria, yndio originario del
Pueblo de San Joseph, de sinco dias de nacido hijo legitimo de
Cristobal Garcia y de Barbara de Luna, fueron sus padrinos de
Alexandro Castañeda y de Maria de Niebes
En la hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
tres del mes de Oct 1743 ... Josep Matheo de veinteitres dias de
nacido originario del Pueblo de San Joseph de Padre no conocido,
fueron su padrinos Joseph Losano y _____Lina
*En la hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en veinte y siete del mes de Oct 1743 ... Andres de Santiago,
originario del Pueblo de San Joseph de Gracia de ____ dias de nacido
hijo legitimo de Pedro de Santiago y de Paula Garcia, yndios de dicho
pueblo, fueron sus padrinos Maximo Antonio Lopes y Juana Basques
En la hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
dies de nobiembre 1743 ... Simona Thadea, yndia originaria del Pueblo
de San Joseph de Gracia de quinse dias de nacida (xx-h.l.-xx) de Nicolas
de Silba y Juana Catharina, fueron sus padrinos; hija de padres no
conosidos (It appears that the scribe started to write "h. l. de
Nicolas de Silba y Juana Catharina ...", then crossed out the "h. l."
and appended "fueron sus padrinos; hija de padres no conosidos")
En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
dies del mes Nob 1743 ... Joseph Carlos, yndio de sinco dias de nacido
hijo legitimo de Juan Bentura y de Catharina dela Cruz, sirbiente de
dicha hazienda, fueron sus padrinos Christobal de la Cruz y Maria
Luisa
En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
(??) del mes de disiembre 1743 ... Maria Catharina de dies y ocho dias
de nacida yndia originaria de el Pueblo del Señor San Joseph hija
legitima de Juan de Estrada y de Felipa Francisca, fueron sus padrinos
Jasinto de Herrera y Juana Maria
1744
*En la Hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en sinco de henero 1744 ... Joseph Thomas, yndio de quatro dias de
nacido, nasido en el Pueblo de San Joseph de Gracia hijo legitimo de
Juan Anguel (possibly Miguel) y de Maria de San Juan vesinos de la
hazienda de Tallagua, fueron sus padrinos Joseph Marthin y Maria de la
Candelaria
En la hazienda de Santiago Feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes en
sinco de henero 1744 ... Juana Manuela, coyota de nuebe dias de nacida
hija legitima de Joseph Garcia y de Josepha de Esp.a sirbientes de
dicha hazienda, fueron sus padrinos Joachin Rendon y Luisa Jasinta
*En la hazienda de Santiago feligrecia de la Villa de Aguascalientes
en doze del mes de henero 1744 ... Maria Thomasa, yndia de dos dias de
nacida hija lexitima de Salbador de Luera y de Maria Ygnes originarios
del Pueblo de San Joseph de Gracia, fueron sus padrinos Joseph Martin
y Maria de la Candelaria
{Note: Thomasa's father was Miguel Salvador de Luera y Córdova}
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Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com
I'm pretty much going from a 80thcousin/friends information who is much
much more knowledgeable than I am in DNA understanding. Here are some
communications I've had with him:
Specifically it comes from:
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/puentes-coat-arms.htm
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On the subject of your haplogroup, red means predicted as opposed to
confirmed. The certificate you emailed me from Ethno (S21+)390 is
confirmation of your U106. I suggest emailing it to FTDNA and
requesting that your haplo be changed to R1b1b2g green as confirmed.
You could also email it to the U106 project administrator and also
advise that you are R1b1b2g confirmed. As to the offer below, I would
accept it, as many more recent studies are uncovering special genetic
groupings within the SNP's. The South Euro (Spain Portugal France) part
of U106 represents a very small 4%, with distintive differences in their
markers ie: DYS390+25, 385b=14 or 15, 447=25 or 26, 464A-D=15,15,16,17,
GATA H4=11, YCA I and II= 19, 23 or 24 and 456=15. These are all
different than the large modal for U106 (Frisian) which dominates the
project. My belief and that of other studies suggests these markers are
found in Basque and Gaelic populations that migrated from the Pyrennes
and Northern Spain to Ireland. This study may also shed light on when
and where this special signature emerged (Alpine Germanic? to Iberia) Lyn
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The simple answer to your question is yes. All R1b1b2a1a tested
individuals relate to one person who mutated to the SNP referred to in
short as R1b-U106. So far research suggests that took place about 3500
years ago. This individual was a son of SNP P311 and his brother was
P312, an SNP found in numerous Spanish individuals. These two SNP's
are so close, that recently several individuals originally tested as
U106 (your S21), were reclassified as P312. The key is the markers and
specifically the first 12. The bulk of U106 have a 390=23 and indicate
a subclade of U106 called L48+. The rest of us are L48-, and for those
closest to you 390=25. That is found in a wide area, and the debate
continues as to whether it originated in Austria moving south and north?
or Belgium moving east and south? I would bet on the second and still
see no evidence to change my opinion that those with this signature in
Spain, southern France, Ireland and Scotland are the downstream
descendants of the Celtic-Germano Volcae who migrated from the north
into Iberia circa 300BC. New subclade SNP's are discovered every day,
and maybe one will surface to further define our group. Lyn
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Thank you for the invite Joseph, I sincerely hope to have a chance to
meet you both at some point. My wife Cecilia (French on the maternal
side) is descended from the family Poitvin anciently of Lanquedoc in
Southern France (kinda the same area, on the North slopes of the
Pyrennes) and believe it or not as the Ripleys used to say, our
progenitor (the Volcae) if I have it figured correctly link to Turkey as
well. The distance calculation between us is a genetic distance of
26/67, so aproximately 2200-2400 years/av 30 between generations (FTDNA)
or about an 80th cousin removed by the time that original U106 line had
migrated and mutated to 13, 25, 14 10. Lyn
joseph
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Joseph Puentes
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arman212@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Joseph, I see you commented "Spanish Origins Valley of Trucios,
Province of Biscay" Do you have more info? My ancestors are from the
same area, Valmaseda, but with a surname from Valle de Mena, Burgos. I
won't have my results until August though. Armando
hola,
Ya tengo donde conseguir el libro en la Ciudad de México, le interesa a
alguien?, cuesta aprox. $100 US mas gastos de envio.