Bibliography for 16th Century New Galicia

I have uploaded, in the books and articles files section of the new site, the bibliography of "Diccionario Biografico del Occidente Novohispano Siglo XVI" being published by the Universidad Autonoma de Zacatecas. The series is authored by José Enciso Contreras and Thomas Hillerkuss.

The attached file is the bibliography of published works that they have used as sources to compile their diccionary. It is a rather exhaustive list of authoritative published works on the early history of Nueva Galicia and the people who lived in the region in the 16th Century.

The first two volumes (with names beginning in A-C and D-G) have already been published and the third volume is shortly forthcoming.

hmmmm. . .Cortes and Moctezuma

I bet you have seen this, but just in case--personally, I had no idea this
family went to Zacatecas!
 

10. GOVERNOR JUAN4 PEREZ-DE-ONATE (CRISTOBAL3
DE NAHARRIONDO-PEREZ-DE-ONATE, JUAN2 PEREZ-DE-ONATE, CRISTOBAL PEREZ1 DE
NARRIAHONDO) was
born 1552 in Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico, and died Abt. June 03, 1626 in
Guadalcanal, Spain. He married Dona ISABEL DE TOLOSA-CORTEZ-MOCTEZUMA Abt. 1588 in Panuco,
Zacatecas, Mexico, daughter of Conquistador JUANES DE TOLOSA and Dona LEONOR DE CORTEZ-MOCTEZUMA. She was born Abt. 1568 in Mexico City,
F.D., Mexico, and died 1620 in Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.

Source:  http://www.somosprimos.com/inclan/onate.htm

Wildcards and the IGI

Dear friends and cousins,

I just uploaded a little file that lists all the valid queries you can make when searching the Birth/Christening records in the IGI.

To see the file you have to log-in first and then select "Files" from the top menu. Next click "Reference Materials" and then select the folder "Searching the IGI". To open the file click on "Using Wildcards"

I created a Truth Table for all the possible combinations of the first six fields in the IGI Search Form, which are used when searching Birth/Christening records. If somebody has the time and is willing I could prepare another Table for the all the possible combinations when searching Marriage records and then try each combination and fill the Results and Error columns.

Un Saludo Cordial

Victor

Tepatitlan surnames:Linda

I offer this information primarily to Linda, who inquired about my foster
father's family from Tepatitlan.  However, I have also included the family
from Arandas just in case anyone might have relatives attached to them!
 
I spoke with my foster sister today, and here is what I learned. 
Severo Hurtado Guerra was born in 1902 in Tepatitlan.  He had 4 brothers,
no sisters (my memories must have been of the sisters-in-law).  His parents
names were Lucio Hurtado and Matiana Guerra.  Severo came to the states
when he was 20 years old, and was the only who immigrated.
 
He married Maria Trinidad Suarez Cerda who was born in 1906 in
LaBarca.  Her mother was Refugio Prajedas Suarez.  They both came to
the states because of poverty (Refugio's husband had another family) in the late
1920's.
 
Their daughter (still living) married into a family from Arrandas,
Jalisco.  The father's name was Salvador Rocha Barrajas and the mother's
name was Josefina Sainz Hernandez.  Discussions with the family talk about
how Salvador inherited the family ranch/hacienda but lost it to gambling. 
I met this family - all of them with the exception of one child had bright blue
eyes (there were 10 children).
 
Esperanza
 

Relaciones Geográficas of Mexico and Guatemala: An Inventory of Holdings at the Benson Latin American Collection

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/utlac/00056/lac-00056.html

Joseph, did you see this in the ArchiveGrid? I searched for our area, Tepetongo, and it is listed as far back as 1577. Wonder what it says? I wish I could go to that university in Texas and see.

Emilie

Royal Lineages

Joseph,

That article you sent on the Aztec Emperors was part of several indexed in an AOL homepage that lists just about all the royal lineages that ever existed anywhere in the world---Roman, Egyptian, Arthurian, etc., etc. and their descendants. Very interesting. Maybe somebody can trace themselves back to Julius Caesar, the pharoahs, etc.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

MOVING THE PHOTOS FILE

WITH ALL YOU HAVE BEEN DOING HERE I GO AGAIN ADDING TO THE PILE. I HAD
ASKED ALBERTO TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE BUGARIN PHOTOS BUT I
DISCOVERED THE PICS ARE NOT ON THE NEW SITE. ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE
TO MOVE THE FOLDERS TO THE NEW SITE?? I SURE HOPE SO!
YOLANDA MEDINA PEREZ

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Here's something Charles is passing on to the group. As should be our
norm we should take any leads we get from sources like this as just
that: Leads. Leads should produce a strong desire in us to confirm the
work by seeking the source material it was taken from and "seeing" it
ourselves.



. . .yeah yeah yeah I know I'm just preaching to the choir.



thanks Carlitos,



joseph







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Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:21:29 -0800
From: Charles Clark <cclark98@pacbell.net>
To: Joseph Puentes <makas@nc.rr.com>
CC: Rosalinda M Ruiz <lareina2@ix.netcom.com>




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Joseph:
 
Here is something for the group to
look at.
 
Sincerely,
 
Charles Clark

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Josie. . .some interesting Zacatecas, Zacatecas info

you're in Texas. . .maybe one day when you have time you could browse
through this collection to see if there is anything about our families
here:



ArchiveGrid

Archivo
del Colegio de Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe de Zacatecas, records
relating to Mexico and Texas, 1766-1885 (bulk 1766-1779).

Archivo
del Colegio de Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe de Zacatecas, records
relating to Mexico and Texas, 1766-1885 (bulk 1766-1779).

.83
linear ft.

Contact an archivist to learn more

about access to materials in this collection

Catholic Archives of Texas

Address: (Austin).

Notes and Summaries:

Photostat
copies of original records in Archivo del Colegio de Nuestra Señora de
Guadalupe de Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico.

Correspondence,
reports, petitions, mss. inventory, manuals, and other printed
materials, relating to Catholic missions in Texas, friars,
missionaries, College of Zacatecas, the Spanish colony, and the
beatification of Fray Antonio Margil de Jesús.

In
Spanish.

Ownership
and Custodial History: Deposited by Texas Knights of Columbus
Historical Commission, 1923-1936.

Finding
aid in the repository.

Described
in Guide to the Spanish and Mexican Manuscript Collection at the
Catholic Archives of Texas / compiled by Dedra S. McDonald (1994), p.
111-112.

This collection covers:

Catholic Church - Missions - Texas.

Catholic Church - Mexico.

Margil de Jesús, Antonio, 1657-1726.

Apostólico Colegio de Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe.

College of Zacatecas.

Mexico - History - Spanish colony, 1540-1810.

Friars - Texas.

Friars - Mexico - Zacatecas (Zacatecas)

Missionaries - Mexico.

Missionaries - Texas.

Beatification.

Catholic universities and colleges - Mexico - Zacatecas (Zacatecas)

Corporate
Author: Archivo del Colegio de Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe de
Zacatecas.

RLG
Union Catalog Record ID: DCLV95-A1


Zavala





http://archivegrid.org/web/jsp/s.jsp?q=+jalisco&sort=r&max=20&st=40



just a shot in the dark,



Elvira. . .could these be some of your people:


43. A
Guide to the Lorenzo De Zavala Papers, 1818-1936

Contact
information
for University of Texas - The Center for American
History

Scope and Contents The Lorenzo de Zavala
holdings are divided into two distinct groups, one containing materials
contemporary to Lorenzo de Zavala, the other produced after his death
and concerning ...
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... to Jalisco
Jalapa June 17 1829 Santa Anna to Zavala ...


The IGI & Padre No Conocido

I don't know if this is appropriate to address to those planning to go to Salt Lake City in October, but I have a question about the way the IGI works as far as finding the children of women where in the record it says hijo natural or padre no conocido. Maybe someone at the main FHC or Mr. Ryskamp can answer the question.

I recently had help from Arturo on finding the birth record of an ancestor of my husband's and the birth records of the ancestor's parents. I asked him how he found the record so quickly, and he said he had just lucked out on the IGI query. (I never found it after years of looking). So, I thought well, maybe I will luck out today and find this ancestor's son. I got nowhere again on the IGI like had happened for years on this person. So I went back to my old way of going through thousands of people with that surname, and lo and behold, I did luck out. I found him listed with only one surname.

I found that the son had been born three years before the marriage of the people the son had listed as his parents in the baptism records of his children. His baptism record on the IGI only showed the name of his mother, no father listed. The IGI does not allow a search of parents unless you enter both parents' names, or at least the father's whole name and the first name of the mother. I wish that the IGI would allow a search with only the mother's name, since occasionally a woman will have a child out of wedlock and the father is listed as unknown. My question is: Is there any chance that the IGI will ever allow a query using just the mother's name?

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

Volunteers: Move to New Site



I would like everyone to do one of two things:



1) Volunteer to move to the new site on your own. . .at least try to
request a new password [do not "create a new account"] using
your current Yahoo ID as a User Name, Once the password is sent to you
then log in and change your password to something easier for you to
remember OR just keep the site generated password but carefully
write it down and save it in a safe place
so you won't lose it.
After you are successfully logged in click on "create content" and then
on "file folder" and try to create a folder using the format most are
using in the "Member Genealogy files" area of the group.



OR



2) Sent me a PRIVATE email at
makas@nc.rr.com asking me to to help you with the above and to set up
your folder and upload your files. As long as you all are patient I'll
eventually get to all of you that need help being moved over to the new
site. Arturo, Rosalinda and I will work on this together if there are
too many for me to handle. Just email me PRIVATELY
at makas@nc.rr.com and I'll be glad to help you move.



--------------------



Things are confusing now because we're trying to keep Yahoo open and
transition over to the new site. The faster we get folks to move on
their own and then get the rest moved over ourselves the sooner we'll
be somewhat back to normal and not all the double postings and such.



Progress is sometimes hard to take, but this really was necessary. I
hope you all take this move patiently. My goal has always been to keep
the ranchos group free of charge and that is becoming a long term
reality with all the generous hours and hours of programming effort and
skills Arturo has donated to the group. Let's work together to make
this move a success.



In the files area under "Members Genealogy Files" we have 15 of the
members files. I'm rather disappointed that at least 35%-40% of us
haven't taken steps to get themselves up and situated on the new site.



The Yahoo Group is going to close and sooner than you think. There is
not a firm date yet but I'm toying with the idea of sometime in April.



I really need your cooperation. I know what is going to happen. I'm
going to announce the date for the Yahoo site to close and everyone
will rush to get moved. I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. FOR THOSE OF YOU
THAT FIND VALUE IN THE RANCHOS GROUP LET'S START SERIOUSLY MOVING OVER
NOW. hijola, que paso, was I really yelling??? oops sorry. I guess a
little of my frustration got away from me.



it's the 11 of March. . .by the 18th of March I would like to see 30
members in the "Members Genealogy Files" area of the group. I think
that is a modest goal. Can we do it??? Yes of course we can with your
help and with Arturo, Rosalinda and I all working together.



So again trying on your own or just Email me PRIVATELY
at makas@nc.rr.com and I'll be glad to help you with this.



what do you all think???



joseph

SoCal Meeting

I just want to express my view and comment about our recent meeting that we had in Southern California.

First of all, I offer my thanks and appreciation to Olivia Jaurequi and her husband for being such wonderful hosts. I can imagine all the hard work and preparation that it took to take care of the group. The food was delicious and plentiful. My only regret is that I started with the Mole, beans, rice, salad,and the tasty Carne Asada and by that time, I had no room for the Menudo and pan dulce! Maybe next time I'll start with the Menudo.

I got to meet my two primos, Ken Alva and Ronnie Reynoso, a couple of very nice and wonderful guys. I had previously shared information with Ken over the internet and knew that we were related. That was not the case with Ronnie until we started sharing and comparing files, we are "primos" ! What a nice surprise.
One other thing that I found out from my "new Primos" was that all three of us have a descendency line from MOCTEZUMA!
All of this just 2 days after my 65th birthday. I couldn't have asked for a better gift.

I also like to send my thanks to Rosalinda for teaching me how to improve my research skills ( I am still learning) using the IGI. She is such a knowledgeable and unselfish person, willing to share her wisdom and resources with the rest of the group.
I would recommend this type of informal meeting to the rest of the members in other parts of the country. A lot can be learned and accomplished when you are face to face with fellow members. Thanks to the other attendees for making the meeting a wonderful experience.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

The IGI & Padre No Conocido

I don't know if this is appropriate to address to those planning to go to Salt Lake City in October, but I have a question about the way the IGI works as far as finding the children of women where in the record it says hijo natural or padre no conocido. Maybe someone at the main FHC or Mr. Ryskamp can answer the question.

I recently had help from Arturo on finding the birth record of an ancestor of my husband's and the birth records of the ancestor's parents. I asked him how he found the record so quickly, and he said he had just lucked out on the IGI query. (I never found it after years of looking). So, I thought well, maybe I will luck out today and find this ancestor's son. I got nowhere again on the IGI like had happened for years on this person. So I went back to my old way of going through thousands of people with that surname, and lo and behold, I did luck out. I found him listed with only one surname.

I found that the son had been born three years before the marriage of the people the son had listed as his parents in the baptism records of his children. His baptism record on the IGI only showed the name of his mother, no father listed. The IGI does not allow a search of parents unless you enter both parents' names, or at least the father's whole name and the first name of the mother. I wish that the IGI would allow a search with only the mother's name, since occasionally a woman will have a child out of wedlock and the father is listed as unknown. My question is: Is there any chance that the IGI will ever allow a query using just the mother's name?

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

Customs of Wedding /Celebrations/Food/

When I was a little girl many years ago (haha)., I can
remember going to weddings here in Kansas City. It
was an all day event. The wedding mass would begin
around 9:00 or 10:00, after mass we would have Mexican
bread and hot chocolate, then around 1:00 to 4:00 they
would have the reception with Chicken & Mole,
tortillas, sopa and of course Mexican music or a
Marichi band, then we would go home and rest and get
ready for the big dance that was usually from 8:00 to
12:00 with a full band. Most wedding's I've attended
have nearly 5 to 15 people in the wedding (Catholic
weddings). Just imagine if back then they had that
many people and we were making notations of all those
names or catching a glimpse of our ancestors in huge
weddings. I don't know when the traditions changed
regarding customs and food. If anyone would like to
share info regarding; Wedding Traditions customs/food,
I'm always curious what others experienced in other
towns.

I'm sure everyone remembers having Chicken & Mole at
wedding celebrations...when did this tradition start?

Carol

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Ghengis Khan's 16 million Descendants

Knowing of my interest in genealogy and genetics a friend just sent me a link to this article which is very interesting.

From damninteresting.com
A Big Footprint on the Steppe

Posted by Cynthia Wood on March 5th, 2006 at 8:27 pm

The Y-chromosome is one that geneticists love to study. Because it is passed on from father to son with no matching chromosome to confuse the issue it’s possible to study lines of descent in a much more direct way than is usually possible. Mitochondrial DNA, another favorite for study, provides a similar line of descent for women. In both cases since the inheritance is direct and unadulterated, it makes certain kinds of studies much easier (or even possible). The headlines from a decade ago about locating “Eve”, the earliest common mother of humankind, stemmed from studies of mitochondrial DNA.

Recently geneticists studying the Y-chromosome in Asiatic populations came upon an interesting result. Approximately 8% of the male population in large portions of Mongolia and the surrounding areas has the same Y-chromosome, indicating a shared common ancestor. The number works out to approximately sixteen million direct male descendants all sharing one common ancestor – but who is he?

Random mutations, neutral in effect, happen at a fairly consistent rate over time and they can be used much like a clock. This allowed the researchers looking across this population to work out an approximate time frame. They concluded that the lineage of this Y-chromosome converged at around 1,000 years ago – near the time of the first millennium.

The time frame eliminated the first candidate, Genghis Khan, who was born in 1162 – or did it? The researchers thought that the originating man might be a male ancestor of the Khan’s, perhaps a great-grandfather.

Certainly the hypothesis is plausible. Genghis Khan regularly sealed the conquest of new lands by taking women from their ruling families into his family. Some he married, some he gave to his relatives– including his sons and brothers– as wives. His eldest son, Tushi, is reported to have had forty sons of his own, and his younger sons were no different. The habit continued on for many generations, with some of his descendants holding power up until the 20th century.

Plausible or not, proving the hypothesis is another matter altogether. The only definitive proof would be to find Genghis Khan's long hidden grave, and to recover some DNA from the Khan himself for genetic matching. In the absence of the grave, less direct support must be found.

The best evidence for the hypothesis so far, comes from outside Mongolia. In all their studies, the geneticists found only one example of this particular genetic lineage outside of the boundaries of the ancient Mongol empire. The Hazaras of Pakistan have a long oral tradition that says they are direct descendants of Genghis Khan. They also share in the lineage so commonly found in Mongolia, with almost a quarter of the Hazaras males having the Y-chromosome being tracked.

Presuming that the genetic hypothesis is correct, just how successful was Genghis Khan at propagating his lineage? After all, the world population has increased dramatically in the last thousand years, so you would expect most of the people who lived a thousand years ago to have numerous descendants. Following a strict mathematical progression, if every person who lived in the times of the Mongolian Empire had been equally successful, you would expect each man to have twenty direct male descendants. Compared to the 16 million attributed to Genghis Khan, this would make him approximately 800,000 times more successful.

Another question that arises with this data is: are there any others? So far this study is the only one of its kind. Will future studies show other historic men who have been as dramatically successful in spreading their genes? Possibly, but not necessarily. In order to achieve this kind of spread, not only does the originator of the lineage need to have a lot of male progeny, but they must be widespread geographically, and they must continue the trend for a number of generations. In Europe, there is no tradition of harems to allow for the astounding numbers of children, while in Africa, the tribal organization of a thousand years ago would make the required geographical spreading difficult. The most likely area to find another widespread lineage would be among the early Muslims. There the tradition of multiple wives had been long established, and remains today in many Middle Eastern countries, while the many trade routes, and the expansion of empires would allow for the geographical spreading.

Regardless of the results, it is interesting to see such an enormous genetic footprint still visible, the invisible legacy of a man who may just be the most successful patriarch in history.

food and music

Oh, boy, Joseph, I should have thought of format. These
were originally on reel to reel, now on cassette. I
believe I have someone, however, who can get it to MP3
format for me. I'll email you offlist when I've got it and
can tell you the size.

These are songs sung a capella by the two ladies. I'll
have to listen again, but I believe they were songs they
sang with the family on the rancho. Not a band at all.

The interview was at some point copyright someone, but I'm
not certain if it was the woman who made it or the Carmel
Valley Historical Society. It was the ex-president of the
Society who gave me a copy. Given that this is
essentially for educational purposes, I would think
broadcasting a portion of it to this limited group would
not be a problem as long as you credit both. I would not
hesitate to use it in my classroom.
Kim

if it is okay to use them on the Nuestra Familia Unida
podcast let me know otherwise send me the mp3's and I'll
host them so the group can listen to them. how many bites
are they each? if not too big put them individually into
an email as an attachment in mp3 and send them to me.
thanks,
joseph
ps: are they music they made or from some band back then?

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Who's who on Nuestros Ranchos

Will there be a Who's who component on Nuestros Ranchos like there is
on Yahoo Ranchos Group? Or another way to search who elso is
reaearching same/similar surnames?
Just wondering. Thanks for all of your work in setting up the new
website - still trying to learn how to get around.

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NARA Hispanic Genealogy Conference

I called the NARA Public Affairs office this morning to inquire about
whether there would be a Hispanic Genealogy Conference this year, as I
did not see one on the calendar. There is NOT one scheduled - SO FAR
for this year, but there is a remote possiblity of one being added. As
for 2007, they haven't begun to plan that far in advance. I will try to
keep my eyes open for announcements on the NARA site. Maybe SOMOS
PRIMOS will have something in the future (that is where I first saw the
announcement for last year's conference).

Natalie Coleman in VA

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Could use some menudo 'bout now.

Hi, all,

I just drove home from the FHC in a flurry of snowflakes. The neighborhood looks like a Christmas card what with snow all over the evergreens and lawns, and it is 30 degrees out. Wish I had some menudo to warm me up (really some pork pozole---I don't like tripa). Salmon's on the menu tonight. Maybe I should make some salmon pozole---no that wouldn't do. How's the weather out your way?

Emilie Garcia
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Atolinga, Zacatecas

Yolanda, I was trying to add my files when I noticed
yours......particularly your Bugarin relatives.  So I decided to do a
search on Atolinga, as some of my relatives were born there as well.
 
Here's what I found - before the Spanish officially settled the area, it
appears that there was initially a group of "celtas" who settled there (Irish?)
and later "semitas (Jewish?).  Had you read this before??? I thought it was
fascinating!!!
 
Dice al ingeniero Montañés:
“ Después de la conquista, los españoles
vieron a Tlaltenango como tierra de promisión, colonizándola, dejando en el
monte de Atolinga, como muestra la colonización, extensa zona habitada hasta
nuestros días por moradores de la raza celta pura. Cabe explicar que hasta aquí,
inexplicablemente vinieron semitas, perpetuándose en familias que llevan
apellidos Leyva, Isais, Covarrubias, Castañeda, Bugarín”
 
 source:  http://www.e-mexico.gob.mx/wb2/eMex/eMex_Atolinga_Zacatecas
 
Esperanza

Forms and Tools

Thanks to Kitty Cortez, we now have a collection of forms that you can
use for record extraction.

To view or download these, go to the files section on the new site and
choose reference materials. If you have any forms to add that you think
may be useful, please do so.