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​Hola primos y primas,

I have this person in my lines (various times), and I’ve been racking my brains on him for the last couple of years. I think I’ve finally accumulated enough information to formulate a theory (albeit a very loose theory), which I’d like to air-out here, for review and discussion.

These are the 3 documents I will be referencing and dissecting:

I. IM: Juan Antonio Gaitan and Maria Manuela Muñoz, 15 Jun 1748, San Matias, Pinos
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BPDG-3?mode=g&i=572&wc=3PS…
II. Dispensa: Nicolas de Castañeda and Maria Gomez, 9 Jun 1712, San Matias, Pinos
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XW39-LV?mode=g&i=489&wc=3J…
III. Dispensa: Nicolas Alonso and Petra Delgadillo, 02 Apr 1723, Teocaltiche, Jal.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6YLN-2?mode=g&i=5&wc=3J44-…

I. IM: JUAN ANTONIO GAITAN & MARIA MANUELA MUÑOZ 15 Jun 1748, San Matias, Pinos

These are my g5's, Juan Antonio Gaitan-Delgado and Maria Manuela Muñoz-Gomez. Upon first reading this IM, I was blown away, because I learned that the pretensos were 4th-cousins, and the ecclesiastical authority (bless their eternal souls!) thought it was important enough to mention​.​ They even give a tree, going back an unbelievable 4 generations:

Gonzalo Gomez de Ruelas-1-Juan Gomez de Ruelas
Maria Gomez de Ruelas-2-Blas Gomez de Ruelas
Miguel Gaitan-3-Nicolas Gomez de Sotomayor
Francisco Xavier Gaytan-4-Maria Dolores Gomez
Juan Antonio Gaitan-5-Maria Manuela Muñoz

Testigo #1 is grandfather of the bride, Nicolas Gomez de Sotomayor, age 66 (ca. 1682, Zacatecas, Zac), owner if Santa Rita, and Testigo # 2 is father of the groom, Francisco Xavier Gaitan (b. 1691, Irapuato, Gto), silver miner. I'm not convinced their genealogy is accurate, due to the number of years and generations involved, and the ages of the testigos (their info is likely 2nd-hand).

GONZALO GOMEZ

I’ve been unable to find anything on Gonzalo Gomez de Ruelas, but I have located his daughter, Maria de las Ruelas aka Maria Blanca. She married Joseph Gaitan-Castañeda, of SLP, some time between Oct 1649 and 01 Sep 1653, when they first appear together as padrinos, in Villa de Reyes, SLP. They would baptize 5 children in Sagrario SLP, between 1654-1665, and then move to Charcas, SLP, around 1670. They both died and were buried in Sagrario SLP. I still haven’t located their marriage records, so I don’t know where she’s from. They are the parents of Miguel Gaitan cc Antonia Arias de Bedoya, who arrived in Sierra de Pinos 1706-1708.

JUAN GOMEZ NIETO

I managed to track ​Juan Gomez de Ruelas back to Santa Fe, Gto; he was married to Teresa Guerrero aka Maria Teresa Martin/ez, and they baptized a number of children in different parts of Guanajuato, from 1654-1670. He died by 1683. On the baptism record for their first child, Juan Gomez is listed as "Juan Gomez Nieto." They might also be Juan Nieto and Maria Paredes aka Maria Mendoza, who baptized 2 sons in Nstra Sra de Gto, but I still haven't seen "Paredes" nor "Mendoza" anywhere else, so they're tentative. There was also a Juan Gomez Nieto and Teresa Pacheco whose daughter, Maria Gomez, married Juan Lopes de Cardenas 4 Aug 1669 in Sta Catalina Martir, DF. Also tentative (their timeline does allow all 3 dates).

GOMEZ DE RUELAS Y SOTOMAYOR

Juan Gomez and Teresa Guerrero are the progenitors of the "Gomez de Ruelas" and "Gomez de Sotomayor" surnames in Sierra de Pinos. Descendants also used "Gomez de Ruelas y Sotomayor," and various combinations of the 3 component surnames. Of their 7 confirmed children, most would migrate to Pinos, the first arriving in 1689; one branch settled on Guadalupe de los Pozos, another on Santa Rita, and another on Bocas, near Ojuelos. One daughter, Matiana Gomez de Ruelas (b. 12 Mar 1670, Nstra Sra de Gto), was married to Nicolas de Carrion. Note: "Gomez de Sotomayor" is also a dynastic surname originating in Spain, and appearing in other parts of Nueva Galicia. I don't know if there is a link.

II. DISPENSA: NICOLAS ALONSO & PETRA DELGADILLO 02 Apr 1723, Teocaltiche, Jal.

This one caught me eye, because the names “Gonzalo Gomez” and “Maria Blanca Gomez” appear, which can't be a coincidence - there must be a link between these 2 FGs. This dispensa has been referenced in other NR threads, and Don Jaime Holcombe cites it in his “Varias Cartas” (p 76).

A tree is given (I’ll include spouses' names):

Gonzalo Gomez-1-Maria de Islas y Moctezuma
(Augustina de Ruelas) (Andres Martinez de Sotomayor)
Antonio Gomez Garcia-2-Margarita de Sotomayor
(Francisca Flores de la Torres) (Joseph de Leon)
Maria Blanca Gomez-3-Rosa Manuela de Leon
(Pedro Alonso de los Hinojos) (Pedro Delgadillo)
Nicolas Alonso-4-Petra Delgadillo

Most read this as, Gonzalo Gomez and Maria de Islas are siblings, hence, Gonzalo Gomez is a son of Benito de la Isla-Lavezaris, who would be the tronco. I don’t agree with this interpretation.

We’ve all read enough of these old declarations, to know that the word “hermano” was regularly used for “cuñado.” Also, a spouse's name was used, if the relevant ancestor's name is forgotten. So one must always look into the possibility that the relationship is through the spouses, rather than through those named. In this case, it is already verified that Augustina de las Ruelas and Andres Martinez de Sotomayor are siblings, legitimate children of Andres Martin Camacho and Maria de Ruelas, who are the tronco of this tree, not Benito de la Isla. There is no mention of the pretensos descending "de dos lineas iguales," so the parentesco is likely only through the Martinez de Sotomayor. Added to that is fact that nowhere amongst the known descendants of Benito de la Isla, does the name "Gomez" appear, and nowhere amongst the known descendants of Gonzalo Gomez, does the name "Isla" appear (as far as I know). It's possible, but it's just not probable. That is my opinion. Gonzalo Gomez is not the brother of Maria de Islas nor the son of Benito de la Isla.

This opens the possibility that this Gonzalo Gomez is our man, and that he and his wife, Augustina de las Ruelas, are the progenitors of the [Gomez] + [Ruelas y Sotomayor] surname. From her timeline, Maria Blanca de Ruelas, cc Joseph Gaitan, could very well have been their daughter (their first child was baptized in 1654). But that doesn't explain why his brother, Juan Gomez, also uses the Ruelas y Sotomayor surname - unless, the genealogy given in the 1748 IM was incorrect: a generation lost, a mistaken relationship, a wrong name, surnames added (remember, it was written 100 years after the fact, by witnesses who had no contact with the earlier generations). Juan Gomez's first son was baptized in 1654, so he was a contemporary of Maria Blanca, and could be her brother. What if he was? Here's a revised tree:

(Tronco: Gonzalo Gomez cc Augustina de Ruelas)
Maria Blanca de Ruelas-1-Juan Gomez de Ruelas
Miguel Gaitan-2-Blas Gomez de Ruelas
Francisco Xavier Gaytan-3-Nicolas Gomez de Sotomayor
Juan Antonio Gaitan-4-Maria Dolores Gomez
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -5-Maria Manuela Muñoz

This works better, as far as the timeline. The pretensos would be at 4/5 and might've required a dispensa. Let's work with this model.

III. DISPENSA: NICOLAS DE CASTAÑEDA & MARIA GOMEZ 9 Jun 1712, San Matias, Pinos

Nicolas de Castañeda was son of Antonio Castañeda and Tomasa Carrion; Maria Gomez was daughter of Mathias Gomez de Sotomayor and Ysabel Ruiz de Villaseñor, and granddaughter of Juan Gomez Nieto.

They shared consanguinity in 2 lines, but we're only interested in the Nieto/Sotomayor link here.

The dispensa says they were at 4o grado, because the bride is great-granddaughter of Blas Nieto, who was brother of Jacinta de Sotomayor, who was great-grandmother of the groom. The genealogy isn’t explained, but it would look like this:

Jacinta de Sotomayor-1-Blas Nieto
(Pedro de Castañeda) ( Unknown)
Nicolas de Castañeda-2-Juan Gomez Nieto
(Ana de Vargas) (Maria Teresa Martinez Guerrero)
Antonio de Castañeda-3-Matias Gomez de Sotomayor
(Tomasa de Carrion) (Ysabel Ruiz de Villaseñor)
Nicolas de Castañeda-4-Maria Gomez Ruiz

This one has stumped many. The Castañeda line is well-documented, but no one has managed to establish the genealogy of Jacinta de Sotomayor. And Blas Nieto just drops off the map. We do see "Nieto" appear as one of Juan Gomez's surnames, who also had a son named, "Blas." So Blas Nieto is his ancestor. I just don't know if he's in the right place.

Again, ​we might be looking at this genealogy wrong, and this might be another case of "hermano=cuñado”: Jacinta de Sotomayor and Blas Nieto can easily be in-laws​, rather than siblings, and the relationship is through his wife, who a sister of Jacinta de Sotomayor.

But, we've already decided that Juan Gomez Nieto was the son of Gonzalo Gomez and Augustina de Ruelas: is Blas Nieto aka Gonzalo Gomez? Not necessarily, he might be in the wrong place, as I mentioned, he might be Gonzalo's father (I've really grown a distrust for testigos, haven't I! bear with me). Let's redo the genealogy in this dispensa, using the Gonzalo Gomez model, and using his spouse's name:

Jacinta de Sotomayor-1-Agustina de las Ruelas
Nicolas de Castañeda-2-Juan Gomez Nieto
Antonio de Castañeda-3-Matias Gomez de Sotomayor
Nicolas de Castañeda-4-Maria Gomez Ruiz

This would establish Jacinta de Sotomayor as a daughter of Andres Martin and Maria de Ruelas.

This is conjecture. Take it. Throw it into your processors and please share what comes out.

Gracias y Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Here is the link to a very interesting article on the Negro in Mexico:http://www.upi.com/Analysis-Mexicos-missing-blacks-Part-3/6062102091027…

here is some info on my cousins Godoy family. Please contact me and I'll
put you in touch with him if you see a connections:

Francisco Xavier Godoy who married Maria Anttonia Casas daughter of
Manuel Casas and Ygnes Guerra in Sept 14, 1741 in Tlaltenango Sanchez
Roman Zacatecas. I also show him married to Juana Maria Miramontes who
parents are Antonio Miramontes and Maria Tereza Munos on Feb 14, 1734
Francisco Godoy parents are Francisco Godoy and Maria Rosa Llamas. Same
person or brothers? I hope to find out in the next few months. I have 5
children for Francisco and Anttonia Casas, Jose Antonio, Francisco
Tehodoro, Gertrudis Polonia , Maria Francisca and Jossept Dionicio.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
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I'm interested in getting more information about the Gutierrez/
Monroy/Cortes connection, too....My family is Gutierrez & Almaraz and I
understand that the Almaraz family may be associated with the Cortes &
Monroy lineage....Does anyone have further information on that? The
Gutierrez family was from Arandas, Mexico and the Almaraz family was from
Mier....Are they connected to the Monroy/Cortes families? Many thanks for
your help.

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> Hola Josie, Hace tiempo investigué a este personaje:
> https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Guti%C3%A9rrez%20de%
> 20Hermosillo-Descendants-32.
> Tuvo al menos otros dos hijos: Pedro y Cristóbal. Cristóbal también era
> conocido como Cristóbal Muñoz de Hermosillo. Me llama la atención que en
> la Dispensa #3 todos los declarantes mencionan que Melchor y Pedro eran
> hermanos "legitimos". Espero esta información te sea de utilidad, aunque a
> mi también me deja mas dudas que respuestas. Un cordial saludo.
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> Marcelina stated above that Don Martín Cortés "El Viejo" del reino de León
> se casó con una mujer de apellido MONROY en Extremadura y fueron padres de
> los siguientes hijos: 1. Hernando 2. Juan 3. Juan 4. Alonso 5. Martín
> Cortés de Monroy (padre de Hernán Cortés). 6. Leonor 7. María (The
> following is from the web page of Daniel Cortes Gonzales
> http://www.motecuhzoma.de/familia-Cortes.html)as stated above by
> Marcelina La
> hija ilegítima se llamó Inés Gómez de Paz. Desempeñó un importante
> papel en la vida del Conquistador Hernán Cortés. Según testimonio del
> propio Hernán Cortés en 1546, su tía Inés Gómez de Paz era hija natural
> de su abuelo, “habida con otra mujer” fuera del matrimonio legítimo. A
> los hijos de Inés: Rodrigo (Mayordomo), Pedro (Abogado en Espana) y Ana; el
> Conquistador les dio siempre el tratamiento de primos. This is how I
> understood the information
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while researching my Garcia lineage, I can across
this statement: los nombres de los Padres, Abuelos Paternos y Maternos se hallan
en el Libro Reservado. I happen to have the information, Regarding the daughter, Maria Anacleta Teresa Garcia Macias, born July 3, 1861, familysearch , bautismos 1861-1862, IMAGE#158, Aguascalientes, Asuncion de Maria, Parents were, Nicolas
Garcia Reyes and Pantaleona Macias, Macias; paternal grandparents were, Jose Camilo
Garcia Bocanegra and Brigida Reyes Losando; maternal; Jose Macias and YsavelMacias
(batch#) C60483-2 and GS Film number: 299485. what is the meaning of Libro Reservado? Gracias, Arturo de Leon

Se dice que Pedro Gutierrez de Hermosillo fue hijo natural de Juan Gonzales de Hermosillo II y una hermana de su esposa legitima, Ana Gonzales Florida II. Sera cierto? Esto es lo que he encontrado hasta ahora usando en su mayor parte FamilySearch. Honestamente, tengo mas preguntas que respuestas.

Pedro tuvo varios hijos naturales o adoptados… (Pero tubo esposa???). Estos son los hijos de Pedro:

--Maria Gutierrez de Hermosillo caso con Francisco Gonzales de Robalcaba (hijo de Mateo de Robalcaba y Catharina de Sandoval) en 1684 en Nochistlan (su informacion matrimonial dice que fue originaria de Jonacatlan, vecina de Tacotlan e hija de la iglesia)

--Miguel Gutierrez de Hermosillo caso con Catharina Delgadillo (hija de Luis Delgadillo “El Mozo” y Maria Josefa de Yslas)

--Jose Gutierrez de Hermosillo caso con Mariana Delgadillo (hija de Luis Delgadillo “El Mozo” y Maria Josefa de Yslas)

--Antonio Gutierrez de Hermosillo caso con Leonor Ortiz de Robalcava (Nochistlan) en primeras nupcias y con Francisca Gonzales en Tepatitlan en segundas)

DISPENSAS

#1 Esta dispensa prueba que Maria y Miguel son hermanos e hijos de Pedro Gutierrez.
Dispensa del Matrimonio de Pablo Jose de Robalcaba y Maria Leonor de Placencia (Yahualica, 4/22/1784)
Pedro Gutierrez (Tronco)
Maria Gutierre – hermana de – Miguel Gutierrez
[+Francisco de Robalcaba] [+Catharina Delgadillo]
Nicolas de Robalcaba -primos hermanos- Gertrudis Gutierrez
[+Petrona de Luna] [+Alejo de Placencia]
Francisco de Robalcaba -primos segundos- Joachin de Placencia
[+Maria Francisca Sanchez] [+Manuela Alvares de la Cruz]
Pablo Jose (pretenso) – Maria Leonor (pretensa)

Testigo: Alexo de Placencia de 82 años dice ”que save, y le consta [que los pretenso] son parientes en cuarto grado de consanguinidad, por haver sido hermanos Maria Gutierrez y Miguel Gutierrez – de Maria Gutierrez vino Nicolas de Robalcaba y de Miguel Gutierrez vino Gertrudis Gutierrez…” etc…
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-653F-4P?mode=g&i=667&wc=3J…

#2 Esta dispensa dice que Maria y Jose son hermanos pero que es dudoso el parentesco.
Dispensa del matrimonio de Rafael Gutierrez y Maria Ygnacia Robalcaba (Cuquio, Dic 12, 1775)
Pedro Gutierrez (tronco)
Josef Gutierrez – hermanos- Maria Gutierrez
[+Mariana Delgadillo] [+Francisco de Robalcaba
Salvador Gutierrez - primos hermanos- Nicolas Robalcaba
[+Catharina de Vargas] [+Petrona de Luna]
Rafael Angel Gutierrez – primos segundos- Francisco Robalcaba
[+Michaela Mercado] [+M Francisca Guillen (Sanchez)]
Rafael (pretenso) – Maria Ygnacia (pretensa)

Esta dispensa pone en duda que Josef y Maria fueran hijos de Pedro Gutierrez. Testigo Don Josef Metrio Gutierrez de Aposol (Jalisco) de 55 años de edad dice “tienen parentesco de consanguinidad dudoso; por que a Josef Gutierrez lo hacen hermano de Maria Gutierrez; cuando esta estubo tenida por huerfana de la casa y cuando fallecio Rafael Angel Gutierrez la dejo un pedazo de tierra; y siendo esto asi, del dicho Josef vino Salvador Gutierrez…” etc…

Testigos: Don Josef Manuel Gonzales de Hermosillo de 55 años de edad y Don Juan Gonzales de Hermosillo de 53 años dicen “hallarse dichos pretensos ligados con parentesco de consanguinidad en cuarto grado igual: por que Pedro Gutierrez vecino que fue de este partido [Cuquio] crio en su casa a Josef Gutierrez y a Maria Gutierrez a los cuales todo el publico de esta jurisdiccion tubo y ha tenido por hijos del referido Pedro Gutierrez, no obstante el haberlos este declarado por huerfanos en su deposicion testamentaria y que los dichos Josef y Maria Gutierrez se tubieron por hijos del citado Pedro Gutierrez y en la misma conformidad sus decendientes.” [firmas de ambos] Existira todavia este testamento? Esto quiere decir que fueron adoptados?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XW3K-Y?mode=g&i=439&wc=3J4…

#3 Esta dispensa prueba que Antonio fue hijo de Pedro Gutierrez y que Pedro fue hermano de Melchor lo cual quiere decir que su padre fue Juan Gonzales de Hermosillo II.
Matrimonio de Antonio Gutierrez de 60 años con Francisca Gonzales Flores de 33 años (Tepatitlan, Julio 5, 1723).
Tronco (no info)
Pedro Gutierrez (hermano) Melchor Gonzales
[+????????] [+Beatriz Gonzales de Robalcaba]
Antonio (pretenso)-primos hermanos –Melchor Gonzales
- Diego Gonzales
- Francisca Flores (apellido de la madre) pretensa

Antonio dice “Melchor Gonzales y Pedro Gutierrez eran hermanos, de Melchor provino Melchor Gonzales y de este Diego Gonzales padre natural de Francisca Flores, pretensa y Pedro Gutierres fue mi padre de que se deduce que el segundo Melchor Gonzales es mi primo hermano y siendo este el segundo grado con cuarto...”

Testigo Joachin de Cervantes de 54 años dice “Antonio Gutierrez es hijo natural de Pedro Gutierrez de Hermosillo... hermano legitimo que fue de Melchor Gonzales de Hermosillo…”

Juan Gonzales de Hermosillo II, padre de Pedro, tuvo un hijo llamado Melchor que se caso con Beatriz Gonzales de Robalcaba.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6Y5G-7?mode=g&i=368&wc=3J4…

#4 Esta dispensa tambien prueba nuevamente que Jose es hijo de Pedro y ademas indica que Pedro fue hijo natural de Juan Gonzales de Hermosillo, aunque no lo asegura.
Matrimonio de Jose Gutierrez y Josepha Lozano (Tepatitlan, 10 May 1751)
Pedro Gutierrez – hermano natural- Maria de Hermosillo
[+???????] [+Francisco Casillas y Cabrera]
Joseph Gutierrez – primos hermanos- Juana Casillas
[+Mariana Delgadillo]
Salvador Gutierrez – primos segundos – Phelipe Lozano
[+Catharina de Bargas] [+Feliciana de Acebes]
Joseph Gutierrez (pretenso) – primos terceros- Josepha Lozano (pretensa)

Los testigos estan de acuerdo en que “se a oido decir aunque no se sabe ser cierto tienen parentesco [los pretensos] en cuarto grado puro de consanguinidad por Pedro Gutierrez dicen fue hermano de Maria de Hermosillo.” Juan Gonzales de Hermosillo tuvo una hija llamada Maria de Hermosillo que se caso con Francisco Casillas y Cabrera que seria dicha Maria madre de Juana Casillas.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-668W-V?mode=g&i=127&cc=187…

En su obra “Los Gutierrez del Rancho El Molino,” Sergio Gutierrez menciona que Juan Gonzales de Hermosillo II esposo de Ana Gonzales Florida II tuvo por lo menos dos hijos fuera del Matrimonio, uno de ellos Pedro Gutierrez de Hermosillo que segun se caso con Luisa de Hijar (p 35). En el Padron de Jalostotitlan de 1679, aparece un Pedro Gutierrez de Hermosillo casado con Leonor de Hijar con dos hijos Pedro y Juan. Yo dudo que sea el mismo ya que Pedro fue originario de Xonacatlan (donde vivia su padre) y despues vivio en Tacotlan/Cuquio segun documentos y su desendencia vivio en la feligresia de Cuquio/Yahualica . Ademas si Pedro vivia en Jalos, con quien se encontraban Maria, Jose, Antonio y Miguel en 1679 ya que todavia no se casaban? Maria se casaria cinco años despues y Antonio 7.

En conclusion Pedro si fue hijo natural de Juan Gonzales de Hermosillo II y tubo en su casa a los hijos mencionados, aunque esta en duda si fueron sus hijos de sangre. Quien fue su madre o su esposa, si es que la tubo... no lo se, pero seguire en la busqueda. Alguien tendra mas que añadir?

Hello fellow members,

I missed the boat on PAF format being discontinued. All my information is in that format. Anyone have any suggestions on safely converting to GEDCOM? I hesitate because I don't want to lose my info. We are talking about 5 years of going through un-indexed records. Any suggestion would be helpful.

Thanks in advance,
Andelmo

In this Matrimonio de Ypina (Ypinas have a history with several Coronados names unknown) he reveals to son of Don Antonio de Campa y Cos that he had an affair with a relative of his that he did not find out until later it was his relative and had to reveal this to him. The Son of Campa y Cos states that his father had a natural child named Juana whose mother was a Mulata de Fresnillo. Juana de la Campa had a child named Gertrudis who was with Ypino and is therefore cousin to his pretensa.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-66SN-5W

I believe this is the family

Juana de la Campa
Deceased • K8TL-KH8 (Familysearch.org)
Married to Marcelo Flores Coronado
​

Does anyone know if this book is available for purchase and download online? I am looking for my Roman ancestors and am hoping this book could help.

Thank you!

I have not been successful in locating any information about the Patrons outside of what I have found in their records. They have been around the Nueva Galacia area since the 1640's and it appears they were in Guanajuato and possibly Mexico City. They were not mentioned in Diccionario Biografico de Antiguos Pobladores de San Luis Potosi by Rafael Morales Bocardo or any other record I know how to locate. Although, I did see on Wikitree Danny Alonso having some connection with the Padons. I have included those connections for him.

Where would I look for their possible Testaments?

It seems Sebastian Padron has a brother named Bartholome Padron (abt 1633) married to Maria del Castillo with some of their children born Guanajuato, Santa Maria del Rio and Villa de Reyes, San Luis Potosi both of those mentioned possibly.

1. Sebastian Padron (abt. 1635) m. Francisca Gonzales (they could’ve married in Guanajuato – san diego de la Union, San Felipe, or Acambaro, or in Santa Maria del Rio, San Luis Potosi, or Villa de Reyes, San Luis Potosi, or even Pinos, Zacatecas. They have, it seems, history in all of those locations but mostly in Santa Maria del Rio. They Married into the Del Castillo, Gonsales, and Torres (Thorres del Rancho de Joseph Thorres)

2. Marcos Padron (abt. 1665) 1st m: Agustina Gutierres 4 December 1687
2nd m: Michaela Martines Espindola 28 Jun 1706

3. Lucas Antonio Padron m: Phelipa Joepha de Torres 10 February 1709

4. Ma. Anta. Gertrudis Padron Baptized 2 Feb 1733 1st m: Roque Francisco Hernandes 5 Jan 1749
2nd m: Joseph Antonio Gonzales 15 Jan 1766

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GGZ-L2C

5.Maria Anastacia (Atanacia) Gonzales m: Antonio Alexandro Colunga (1759–)

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGG9-DQ4

Antonio Alexandro Colunga is brother to Miguel Colunga who is married to Bacilia Gonsales Sister to Maria Anastacia Gonsales

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Joseph

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Subject: Somos Primos "We are cousins." February 2017

http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2017/spfeb17/spfeb17.htm

Dear family, primos and friends:

Hope you are greeting the new year with hope and peace. I keep learning new things which brightens my days. The world is such a miracle of balance, with extremes in every direction. We feel separate from one another and yet when you trace your family history, you see how you must be related on some level with everyone.
Under the DNA section, you'll find a mathematical graph of ancestry. If you take your pedigree back to the 1400s, you have 1,073,741,825 great, great, great, great, great grandparents; however, there were only 450,000,000, and you go back to two.

I had assumed in California, everyone knew a little Spanish and understood that the translation of Somos Primos meant, we are cousins.
I was surprised recently when a third person told me that they thought Somos Primos was saying . . . we were FIRST, which could be a little offensive.

Let suggest when you invite non-Spanish speakers to visit Somos Primos, you explain, we are not saying we are number one, or first, instead we are saying we are cousins, related, connected.

We may be diverse and visually different, but we are connected, sharing this very unique earth. Hopefully we can each make the world a little bit better, within our sphere of influence.

Among the photos are eleven photos, with only the date and location, for identification. Those are from a collection of tinted photochromes from the dawn of the 19th century. These were published by the Detroit Photographic firm (which no longer exists), their firm's photographers traveled the country snapping the sights of North America to be printed on postcards and sold to the public. These photos were among the Beinecke rare books and manuscript library. The Photo collection was
sent by Eva Booher EVABOOHER@aol.com

God bless America, may we continue to be a light to the world.

Mimi

01/26/2017 07:50 AM
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Hola Raza , I was cruising through Matrimonios-Jalostotitlan-1717-1748 Image # 261 (left hand side) ,and can't figure out where/how about the parents of Miguel Gutierrez-Coronado -son of Joseph Gutierrez-Coronado and Mariana Hermosillo . The other side is a Theresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo daughter of Geronimo Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Mathiana or Mariana Lomelin. Both Miguel Gutierrez- Coronado and Theresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo married 20 of Jan. 1731 . I can't figure where/what the Parents of these two belong .

Thank you for time

Ronnie

I have been trying to find my grandparents Teodoro Duran and Anastacia Viramontes they may have been born about 1830's thank you to anyone that can help me out.

Hello everyone, I've been away from my research for a few years and have recently started in again. I was wondering if anyone could help me with the translation on the link I've included. I have gotten out of practice in these three years I've been inactive. My ancestor, Refugio Berumen on the right page was always referred to as "hija natural ". This is the only document that named her father as Cayetano Gonzales, but I would have expected "hija ilgitima", instead it's another word that I've not seen before and can't quite make out. If anyone is familiar with it please let me know.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-4K3X-GD?mode=g&cc=1804458

I hope this is the right place to introduce myself. I am here because of my children and grandchildren, descendants of the Bernals from Aguascalientes. Most of the ancestors are from Asientos, but other Ranchos (I think they're ranchos) are the following: Jaltomate, Santa Rita, Chalchihuites, San Jose de Garcia, Rincón de Romos, Rancho La Carreta, Tepesala, and Sierra de Pinos. The information about the family can be found here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jking2000

On a personal note, I lived in Mexico for 20 years (12 in México, DF, and 8 in Xalapa, Veracruz) where I played with several of the symphony orchestras. I am living in Canada since 1986. My children were both born in Mexico City. My son and his 3 boys live in Australia, and my daughter, here in Canada, with her son and daughter. We all adore Mexico and return whenever we can.

I hope to find out more about the Ranchos, of course. I've started reading....

Por cierto, hablo español. Me da gusto que me hayan acceptado a este grupo. Muchas gracias! Thank you!

Joan King (Spouse Antonio Leopoldo Bernal Krizman, deceased)

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Could someone help me and tell me what this says about my ancestor Antonio
Escoto y Tovar. The writing on the Jalostotlilan records are very hard to
read

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FM9R-2Y?i=65&wc=3J4Y-DP8%3…

Danny C. Alonso

Danny Aonso: Unos de mis bisabuelos fue:

Toribio Hernández de Arellano
1534–

BIRTH 1534 • Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
DEATH UNKNOWN • Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico

Marcy Marquez Dulka

-----Original Message-----
2. Re: Possible Toribio Hernandez (Danny Alonso)----------------------------------------------------------------------
2Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 18:34:43 -0800From: Danny Alonso To: research@nuestrosranchos.orgSubject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Possible Toribio HernandezMessage-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8Daniel and Mr. Ricci,i've always enjoyed all of your theories and Daniel, I actually have a lotof questions about some of the ones about some of the families I come from,but about the Hernandez de Arellano family, i was wondering what you boththink the reason is that no one is named after Toribio. in the Romo deVivar's theres a bunch of people named Diego and in the Martin deSotomayor's a bunch name Andres, but in the Hernandez de Arellano family icant think of one person name Toribio, doesnt that seem strange?Danny C. Alonso

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Im trying to find the parents of don Joseph de Villalobos and Doña Melchora
Gutierrez. They had children in the 1690s and probly earlier too. she died
in 1711 in aguascalientes but it doesnt name her parents. theres a death
record in 1699 for a joseph de villalobos that was married to a melchora
but it doesn't name his parents either. im just wondering whether anyone
knows the parents for this couple.

Danny C. Alonso

Alguno de ustedes de casualidad tiene los padres de la pareja formada por Felipe Lopez y Francisca Gonzalez cuyo matrimonio fue el 1 de julio de 1662 en Teocaltiche.

Ellos tuvieron como hijos al menos a:

-Juan, bautizado el 8 de febrero de 1681 en Teocaltiche y casado el 22 de mayo de 1707 en Aguascalientes con Isadora Ramirez Ramirez.

-Maria Bautizada el 14 de Octubre de 1685 en Teocaltiche

Gracias.

I'm asking for help from my fellow Rancheros. I have family line to Joseph Manuel Alvarado and Perfecto Alvarado. Both have daughters one named Maria Dionisia Alvarado the other Maria Daria Alvarado. I found birth and marriage records that are so confusing and seem to point to possibly Joseph Manuel and Perfecto are the same person. However, documents show how the scribes constantly crossed reference the wrong Daria Alvarado or Dionisia Alvarado. They both married a Tello who were cousins.

Can someone help me confirm if Daria/Dionisia may have married the other cousin once the husband passed away. I will need to send the records for your review to help establish a definite conclusion and solve the confusion. I will be glad to communicate via personal email to better submit the records.

Thanks.

Yolie

Acta original del entierro de don Juan González de Hermosillo, quien falleció el día 6 de enero de 1666 en Juanacatlán, pero su cuerpo traído a Jalostotitlán para enterrar.

[Foja 14 vuelta] "1666 a.s - Ju.o gonçales de hermosillo =
En seis de henero de mill seisçientos y sesenta y seis años, traxeron a enterrar de la Ju.on de XonaCatlán a Juan Gonçales de hermosillo, resçivió de mano del P.e Fr. P.o de San andrés el S.to dio confesso no pudo resçivir el S.to viático avía hecho en la enfermedad, muchas veçes. testó Juntam.te con su muger ana gonçales ante el B.r Gaspar Cortés hurtado de mendoça, correxidor que fue de Colimilla en veinte de febrero del año pasado de mill seisçientos y sesenta y çinco; declar tener pasadas las mandas forçosas tener dichas las misas q.e por dho testam.to avía mandado deçir y lo rrebocó = dexa una manda de çient pesos a María de hermosillo, su yja viuda = no dexa otra obra pía, erederos sus yjos. mandóse enterrar en este pueblo de Xalostotitlán; enterréle con vig.a cantada y missa cantada de cuerpo presente = díxoce la misa de la cofradía del S.mo S.to con vig.a cantada = díxozele la de las ánimas y la de la soledad, con vigilias cantadas = . . . Fr. Ju.o Góm.s de Santiago (rúbrica).”

Aquí la misma acta pero transcrita con ortografía moderna y sin abreviaturas...

[Foja 14 vuelta] "1666 años- Juan González de Hermosillo =
En seis de enero de mil seiscientos y sesenta y seis años, trajeron a enterrar de la Jurisdicción de Juanacatlán a Juan González de Hermosillo, recibió de mano del Padre Fray Pedro de San Andrés el Sacramento dio confesso no pudo recibir el Santo viático había hecho en la enfermedad, muchas veces. Testó Juntamente con su mujer Ana González ante el Bachiller Gaspar Cortés Hurtado de Mendoza, corregidor que fue de Colimilla en veinte de febrero del año pasado de mil seiscientos y sesenta y cinco; declar tener pasadas las mandas forzosas tener dichas las misas que por dicho testamento había mandado decir y lo rebocó = deja una manda de cien pesos a María de Hermosillo, su hija viuda = no deja otra obra pía, herederos sus hijos. Mandóse enterrar en este pueblo de Jalostotitlán; enterréle con vigilia cantada y misa cantada de cuerpo presente = díjose la misa de la cofradía del Santísimo Sacramento con vigilia cantada = díjosele la de las ánimas y la de la soledad, con vigilias cantadas = . . . Fray Juan Gómez de Santiago (rúbrica).”

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18450-50456-97?cc=1874591&wc…

Suerte primos...
SFHL

Christoval Gomes b. 1680 m. Dona Maria Rodriguez *(Familysearch.org LRH4-N4C)
​

Juana Gertrudis Gomes b.abt.1701 most likely Agostadero Pinos, Zac.
m. Don Joseph Vicente Morquecho Quixas b. abt. 1688 with a dispensa Primer Grado in 1732

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-B39L-2G

(Son) Francisco Bonifacio Morquecho Gomes b. 1734
m. Maria Dionicia Delgado P. Julian Delgado y Ma. Rita Gomes de Sotomaior(5xG)

(Son) Juan Thomas Morquecho Gomes b.1742
m. Maria Josepha Raphaela Delgado P. Julian Delgado y Ma. Rita Gomes de Sotomaior(5xG)

(Daughter) Maria Phelipa Rosalia (4xG) abt. 1743
m. Julian Delgado Gomes b.1741 P. Julian Delgado y Ma. Rita Gomes de Sotomaior

(Daughter) Barbara Morquecho b. abt. 1735
m. Domingo Anastacio Gomes P. Juan Baltazar Gomes Ruiz y Catalina Bernarda Aguilar
Note: Juan Baltazar’s parents are Mathias Gomes de Sotomaior y
Ysavel Ruiz de Villasenor (Abalos)

(Son) Esiderio Morquecho b. 1725
m. Maria Antonia Gomes P. Juan Baltazar Gomes Ruiz y Catalina Bernarda Huerta
Note: Juan Baltazar’s parents are Mathias Gomes de Sotomaior y
Ysavel Ruiz de Villasenor (Abalos)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BW1D-X

I have searched for the dispensa that would give Juana Gertrudis age but I did not see find it. Her brothers found are andres Gomes b. 18 FEB 1704 Pinos, and Thoribio Gomes 21 MAY 1705, Pinos. Her son Esiderio b. 1725 is 7 years before the Dispensa which is probably why they had to get a Dispensa.

Does anyone know where else to look for the dispensa? Perhaps someone has or knows of this family and possibly know if Christobal Gomes is part of the Gomes Martin, Ruelas de Sotomaior family and possibly know who Dona Maria Rodriguez is? There are a lot of Rodriguez interwoven in this family as well as Delgado. Thanks, Simona

(to follow in English)

He descubierto algo muy interesante, ¿a lo mejor tendra alguien mas informacion sobre esta linea?

En mis lineas tengo a Diego Magdaleno casado con Mariana de Aguirre, radicados en Jalostotitlan. Desciendo de su hija Maria Alvarez, casada con Joseph Macias de Ayala en Aguascalientes en 1703.

Segun la genealogia dada en el siguiente blog, Diego Magdaleno es hijo de Diego Magdaleno y de Lorenza de Ovalle; Diego Magdaleno I es hijo de Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno (Regidor de Valladolid, Mich) y de Isabel de Soria; Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno nacio en Tordesillas en el 1554, hijo de Alonso Mejia y de Francisca Magdaleno Escudero. Pasaron a Indias Geronimo e Isabel en el 1583, acompañados por su hija Francisca Mejia Magdaleno y su esposo Juan Salceda Andrade. Vivian en Valladolid, Michoacan:
Genealogia de Mexico 28 Jun 2007
http://genealogias.wordpress.com/2007/06/28/genealogiaorgmx-12530-apell…

Da la misma genealogia Guillermo Lohmann Villena en su “Los Americanos en los ordenes nobliliarias Tomo I” (SALCEDA, Jeronimo Magdaleno de, 452, p. 384)
http://books.google.com/books?id=Jlefq-NJKq0C&pg=PA384&lpg=PA384&dq=ger…

Se base esta genealogia en la Prueba de Nobleza/Limpieza de Sangre de un nieto de Geronimo Magdaleno, el Capitan Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda, hijo de Juan Salceda Andrade y de Francisca Mejia Magdaleno. Se realizo la Prueba en el año 1651 y en España, lejos de Valladolid, Michoacan:

ES.28079.AHN/1.-2.-1.6.4//OM-CABALLEROS_SANTIAGO,Exp.7451
Salceda y Mejía, Jerónimo Magdaleno de
1651
Consejo de Órdenes (España)
Pruebas para la concesión del Título de Caballero de la Orden de Santiago de Jerónimo Magdaleno de Salceda y Mejía, natural de Valladolid de Michoacán, Alcalde Mayor y Teniente de Capitán General de las villas de San Miguel y San Felipe

Tengo dudas sobre esta genealogia. En ni uno de los demas documentos encontrados en los PARES-AGIS, tratando de los Magdaleno en Valladolid durante aquella epoca, sale el apellido compuesto "Mejia Magdaleno"; lo que si sale es "Magdaleno de Mendoza."

Y mas, segun la confirmacion de oficio de Geronimo Magdaleno cuando fue nombrado Regidor de Valladolid en 1602, dice que su padre es FRANCISCO MAGDALENO, que estaba casado con Elvira de Mendoza:

ES.41091.AGI/10.5.11.556//CONTRATACION,961,N.16
Bienes de difuntos: Elvira de Mendoza
1635
Casa de la Contratación de las Indias (España)
Autos sobre bienes de difuntos de Elvira de Mendoza, vecina de Valladolid de Michoacan, casada con Francisco Magdaleno nombrado también como Juan de Torres Tremiño, sus hijos: Juan de Torres Mendoza y Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza. Difunta en Valladolid de Michoacan, con cláusula de testamento. Albacea: Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza. Herederos: Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza y Juan de Torres Mendoza, su nieto, clérigo

Hay mas: al mirar los archivos de FamilySearch en Morelia entre los años 1594-1621, ni sale el nombre de Isabel de Soria como esposa de Geronimo Magdaleno, sino el de Maria Cecilia Patiño (hija del Capitan Francisco Patiño de Herrera). Ni salen los apellidos "Escudero" ni "Soria," como era normal dar a por lo menos una hija el apellido maternal para no perderlo.

Entonces, ¿es posible que hay dos Geronimo Magdaleno Regidores de Valladolid, Michoacan, con hijas nombradas Francisca casadas con Juan Salceda? Por lo citado, solo hay uno y es hijo de Francisco Magdaleno y de Elvira de Mendoza y casado con Maria Cecilia Patiño (tal vez con Isabel de Soria en 1o?), y que la genealogia de los Magdaleno dada en la Prueba de 1651 es falsa o por lo menos falta una generacion; que se equivocaron los testigos o mentieron.

Mira, de la Prueba de 1651, sale el arbol asi:
I. Alonso Mejia casado con Francisca Magdaleno Escudero (Castro Verde del Campo)
II. Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno casado con Isabel de Soria (b. 1556, ella 1560, Tordesillas)
III. Francisca Mejia Magdaleno casada con Juan Salceda Andrade (paso a Indias en 1583, ya casada, ¿cuando su madre tenia 23 años?).
IV. Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda y Mejia (27-30 años en 1651:b. 1621-1624)

Y de mis investigaciones, mis fuentes siendo PARES-AGIS, FamilySearch, y "Haciendas de tierra y agua de la antigua cienega de Chapala" por Heriberto Moreno Garcia, parece asi:
I. Francisco Magdaleno casado con Elvira de Mendoza (ex-regidor de Jaen; hacendado de Cuitzian en Valladolid, Mich; ella nacida en Sevilla)
II. Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza casado con Maria Cecilia Patiño. En Mexico, 1590-1600 (aunque puede ser su 2o m.).
III. Francisca Magdaleno de Mendoza casada con Juan Salceda Andrade (en Mexico, hacia 1619)
IV. Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda (b. 1621-1624)

Falta una generacion en la genealogia de la Prueba de 1651, y que no es posible que Juan Salceda y Francisca Magdaleno ya estaban casados en 1583, cuando solo tenia la madre de ella 23 años. Mas, su hijo Nicolas Salceda tenia 16 años cuando fue nombrado Regidor de Valladolid en el 1658 (b. 1641-2).

Para orientarnos:

Regidor Geronimo Magdaleno y Maria Cecilia Patiño bautizaron a:
Elvira Magdalena, b. 18 May 1603, Morelia.
Maria Magdaleno, b. 22 Dec 1607, Morelia.

Se ven sus nombres y los de Francisco Magdaleno y de Elvira de Mendoza con frecuencia en los bautismos y matrimonios en Morelia entre 1597 y 1611, como padrinos o testigos.

Juan Salceda Andrade y Francisca Magdaleno bautizaron a Joseph, 20 May 1620, Morelia.

El Licenciado Joseph Magdaleno de Mendoza era beneficiado del partido de Juchitlan cuando fallecio 15 Jun 1624, en Valladolid, Mich. Era bachiller cuando bautiso a una nina llamada Andrea, 07 Dic 1600, sus padrinos Francisco Magdaleno y Beatriz de Sosa. Por eso lo tengo como hijo de Francisco y de Elvira.

El Licenciado Gonzalo Magdaleno de Mendoza era beneficiado de Aguacana en Abr 1624 y en May 1625. Fue padrino de Joachin, hijo de padres no concocidos, 19 Feb 1607, su madrina Doña Geronima de Mendoza. Pueden ser hijos los dos de Francisco Magdaleno y de Elvira de Mendoza, o ella hermana de Elvira.

Busco documentacion (fuente primaria o por lo menos desde Mexico: bautismos, matrimonios, defunciones, IMes, dispensas) sobre ellos y sobre los siguientes:
- Geronimo Magdaleno casado con Isabel de Soria.
- Diego Magdaleno casado con Lorenza de Ovalle.
- Que Diego Magdaleno casado con Mariana de Aguirre, es hijo de Diego Magdaleno y Lorenza de Ovalle.

Segun Moreno Garcia en "Haciendas de tierra y agua...," Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza tenia un hermano, Diego Magdaleno de Mendoza, jinete y hacendado, que tenia dos hijos, sin nombrar a la madre: Juan de Lievana y Diego Magdaleno, los dos clerigos. Cita a "Familias y casa de la vieja Valladolid," por Gabriel Ibarrola Arriaga. Tendra un ejemplo alguien?

Gracias antemano,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

I have Diego Magdaleno married to Mariana de Aguirre in my lines.

According to the genealogy given in this blog, Diego Magdaleno is the son of Diego Magdaleno and Lorenza de Ovalle; Diego Magdaleno I is son of Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno (Regidor de Valladolid, Mich) and Isabel de Soria; Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno was born in 1554 in Tordesillas, Castilla, son of Alonso Mejia and Francisca Magdaleno Escudero. Geronimo and Isabel passed to Indies in 1583, accompanied by their daughter, Francisca Mejia Magdaleno and her husband Juan Salceda Andrade. They lived in Valladolid, Michoacan:
Genealogia de Mexico 28 Jun 2007
http://genealogias.wordpress.com/2007/06/28/genealogiaorgmx-12530-apell…

Guillermo Lohmann Villena gives the same genealogy in his “Los Americanos en los ordenes nobliliarias Tomo I” (SALCEDA, Jeronimo Magdaleno de, 452, p. 384)
http://books.google.com/books?id=Jlefq-NJKq0C&pg=PA384&lpg=PA384&dq=ger…

This genealogy is based on the Prueba de Nobleza/Limpieza de Sangre of a grandson of Geronimo Magdaleno, Capitan Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda y Mejia, son of Juan Salceda Andrade and Francisca Magdaleno. The Proof was conducted in Spain in 1651, and not in Valladolid Mich:

ES.28079.AHN/1.-2.-1.6.4//OM-CABALLEROS_SANTIAGO,Exp.7451
Salceda y Mejía, Jerónimo Magdaleno de
1651
Consejo de Órdenes (España)
Pruebas para la concesión del Título de Caballero de la Orden de Santiago de Jerónimo Magdaleno de Salceda y Mejía, natural de Valladolid de Michoacán, Alcalde Mayor y Teniente de Capitán General de las villas de San Miguel y San Felipe

I have doubts about this genealogy; in none of the other documents found at PARES AGIS, regarding the Magdaleno of Valladolid during this time period, is there mention of the compound surname "Mejia Magdaleno; instead, we find "Magdaleno de Mendoza."

And more, on the Confirmacion de Oficio of Geronimo Magdaleno, when he was named Regidor of Valladolid in 1602, it says his father was FRANCISCO MAGDALENO, who was married to Elvira de Mendoza:

ES.41091.AGI/10.5.11.556//CONTRATACION,961,N.16
Bienes de difuntos: Elvira de Mendoza
1635
Casa de la Contratación de las Indias (España)
Autos sobre bienes de difuntos de Elvira de Mendoza, vecina de Valladolid de Michoacan, casada con Francisco Magdaleno nombrado también como Juan de Torres Tremiño, sus hijos: Juan de Torres Mendoza y Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza. Difunta en Valladolid de Michoacan, con cláusula de testamento. Albacea: Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza. Herederos: Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza y Juan de Torres Mendoza, su nieto, clérigo

There's more: when looking through the archives of Morelia, Mich, for the years 1594-1621, Isabel de Soria does not appear as the wife of Geronimo Magdaleno, instead, we find Maria Cecilia de Patiño (daughter of Capitan Francisco Patiño de Herrera). Nor do the surnames "Escudero" or "Soria" appear in any of the Magdaleno lines in Valladolid, as it was the norm to give at least one heir a lost maternal surname.

Is it possible there were two Regidor Geronimo Magdaleno's, who both had daughters named Francisca married to Juan Salceda Andrade? According to what I've cited, there was only one, and hd was the son of Francisco Magdaleno and Elvira de Mendoza, and he was married to Maria Cecilia Patiño (although possible with Isabel de Soria in 1o), and that the genealogy given in the Prueba of 1651 is wrong or at least skips a generation: the witnesses were wrong, or they lied.

Look, according to the Prueba of 1651, the tree looks like this:
I. Alonso Mejia casado con Francisca Magdaleno Escudero (Castro Verde del Campo, Zamora)
II. Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno casado con Isabel de Soria (b. 1556, Tordesillas)
III. Francisca Mejia Magdaleno casada con Juan Salceda Andrade (passed to Indies 1583, already married, when her mother was only 23?).
IV. Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda y Mejia (age 27-30 in 1651:b. 1621-1624)

And from my research, my sources being PARES-AGIS, FamilySearch, and "Haciendas de tierra y agua de la antigua cienega de Chapala" by Heriberto Moreno Garcia, it looks like this:
I. Francisco Magdaleno casado con Elvira de Mendoza (el, ex-regidor de Jaen; hacendado de Cuitzian; ella nacida en Sevilla)
II. Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza casado con Maria Cecilia Patino. En Mexico hacia 1590 (puede ser su 2o m.).
III. Francisca Magdaleno de Mendoza casada con Juan Salceda Andrade (en Mexico, ca 1619)
IV. Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda y Mejia (age 27-30 in 1651:b. 1621-1624)

The Prueba of 1651 skips a generation, and there's no way Juan Salceda and Francisca Magdaleno were married before 1583, when their son Nicolas Salcedo was only 16 when he was named Regidor in 1658 (b. 1641-2).

To establish a timeline and orient ourselves:

Geronimo Magdaleno y Maria Cecilia Patiño baptized:
Elvira Magdalena, b. 18 May 1603, Morelia.
Maria Magdaleno, b. 22 Dec 1607, Morelia.

Their names, along with those of Francisco Magdaleno and Elvira de Mendoza, are seen frequently in the baptisms and marriages in Morelia between 1597 & 1611, as padrinos or testigos.

Juan Salceda Andrade and Francisca Magdaleno baptized Josepha, 20 May 1620, Morelia.

Licenciado Joseph Magdaleno de Mendoza, was beneficiado of the partido de Juchitlan when he died 15 Jun 1624, in Valladolid. He was a bachiller when he baptized a child named Andrea, 07 Dic 1600, her padrinos Francisco Magdaleno y Beatriz de Sosa. For this reason, I have him as a son of Francisco & Elvira.

Licenciado Gonzalo Magdaleno de Mendoza was beneficiado de Aguacana in Abr 1624 and May 1625. He was padrino for Joachin, hijo de padres no concocidos, 19 Feb 1607, madrina Doña Geronima de Mendoza. They could be children of Francisco Magdaleno and Elvira de Mendoza, or she Elvira;s sister.

Does anybody have any documentation that would support the Mejia Magdaleno genealogy? Looking for documentation (preferably primary source: baptism, marriage or death - and from Mexico!), that shows:
Geronimo Magdaleno married to Isabel de Soria.
Diego Magdaleno married Lorenza de Ovalle.
That Diego Magdaleno, married to Mariana de Aguirre, is the son of Diego Magdaleno and Lorenza de Ovalle

According to Moreno Garcia in "Haciendas de tierra y agua...," Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza had a brother, Diego Magdaleno de Mendoza, jinete y hacendado, who had two sons: Juan de Lievana y Diego Magdaleno, both were clerics. He cites "Familias y casa de la vieja Valladolid," by Gabriel Ibarrola Arriaga. Would anyone have access to a copy?

Thank you in advance,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

ES.41091.AGI/23.10.176//MEXICO,176,N.30
CONFIRMACION DE OFICIO: GERONIMO MADALENO
1602-7-18
Expediente de Confirmación del oficio de regidor de Valladolid, en Michoacan a Gerónimo Madaleno. Resuelto

There was a question on another genealogy site regarding a baptism record. In the margin under the child's name was, C.A. The record read: Ynft ciud. Agr. I've never seen wording like this before-Ynfante Ciudadano Agraciado(?) In other records people were listed as C.d E- Ciudadano del Estado? I don't know where the record in from but still would like your input. Thanks.

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

does anyone have information where the informacion matrimonial are for
Monterrey, Nuevo Leon. the matrimonios go back to 1600s but the informacion
matrimonials start in 1888. they have to be somewhere else. does anybody
know where theyre at?

Danny C. Alonso