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Hi Cindy.

I found the following about "Loma Larga":

http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/loma-larga-9/

Best regards

Hola Cindi, mi abuelo nació en Loma larga su apellido era Ybarra nació en 1893 se llamaba
Pablo Nabor Gutiérrez Ybarra

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> On Oct 27, 2015, at 8:05 PM, Cindy F wrote:
>
> Does anyone in this group known anything of Loma Larga in Jalisco? It is near Ocotlan. It has shown up on some of the baptismal/birth records in one of my lines. I've googled it but am finding very little online about the place, so I'm hoping someone here might know more about the place or point out where I might be able to learn more. To be more specific, I'm interested in learning about the history of the place not the current situation there.
> Also, during my internet surfing I ran across someone selling some historical photos of Aguascalientes. I'm sharing the link in case anyone here would be interested. As far as I can tell this is still an active offer that was posted in June (but keep in mind that my spanish is limited):http://area1.doplim.com.mx/vendo-coleccion-de-tarjetas-postales-antigua…
>
> Cindy (Barela) Fahrbach
> email: genie_research@hotmail.com
> ----------------------------------------
> Researching: Banegas, Barela, Cutler,
> De La O, Fahrbach, Jimenez, Keller,
> May, Navarro, Starnes, Utley, Ybarra
> ----------------------------------------

Thank you!

También dice que se le dio sepultura en la parroquia más abajo del altar de san Lorenzo

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> On Oct 15, 2015, at 12:58 AM, Danny Alonso wrote:
>
> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
> Could someone in the Forum tell me what this says about my ancestor Pedro
> Macias Valades. It doesnt look like it says the same stuff as usual
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-148834-26?cc=1502404…
>
> Danny C. Alonso

Al lado dice que no recibió los sacramentos ni testo porque su muerte fue de repente
Dice que fue marido de Luisa Villegas

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> On Oct 15, 2015, at 12:58 AM, Danny Alonso wrote:
>
> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
> Could someone in the Forum tell me what this says about my ancestor Pedro
> Macias Valades. It doesnt look like it says the same stuff as usual
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-148834-26?cc=1502404…
>
> Danny C. Alonso

Danny,

Unfortunately he did not receive the sacraments because he suddenly died.

Regards,
Juan

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Danny Alonso wrote:

> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
>
> Could someone in the Forum tell me what this says about my ancestor Pedro
> Macias Valades. It doesnt look like it says the same stuff as usual
>
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11773-148834-26?cc=1502404…
>
> Danny C. Alonso

It says that he (Pedro) died suddenly, and thus he did not received the sacraments neither he made a testament:

...fallecio repentinamente Po. Masias Balades español marido de Luissa de Villegas española, no recivio los Tos. Sacramentos, Porque secaio muerto (fell dead), No testo, diosele sepultura en esta Parrochial, Poco mas abaxo del altar de S. Lorenço. disele missa de cuerpo presste. y pa que conste...

By the way I have an ancestor with the Masias name in Nochistlán from the beggining of the 1700, but I end up with a dead end there, I wonder if they come from Aguascalientes.

Thanks danny I did see that but it didn't. Look like Celia and I have her married to another person named Carrion. Maybe 2nd marriage with Carrion will double check. Thanks again.

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-------- Original message --------
From: Danny Alonso
Date: 10/27/2015 5:20 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dias de la Huerta

Simona,

Juana and Francisco's last name is López de la Rea and Ana's last name is
de Celis. You can see them here

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/D%C3%ADaz_de_la_Huerta-5

Danny C. Alonso

I have always used the following format:

Abuelo
Bisuabuelo
Tatarabuelo
4o abuelo
5o abuelo
6o abuelo

and so on.

The reason being is that if the father of the tatarabuelo is the 4o abuelo all of the preceding abuelos should be in the same order. It also makes it easy since you just count back with your grandfather with him being the first.

The following pages also have the father of the tatarabuelo as the cuarto abuelo. https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Nomenclatura_de_parentesco_en_espa%… and https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/es/images/d/d7/Cuadro_de_Parentesco…

The following page has something similar http://www.genealogia-es.com/guia3.html#z10

I am used to the "place in line" denomination "segundo, tercer, cuarto, etc" but I am not sure what is (if existent) the rules beyond the great-great-grandfather (tatarabuelo), I know some would mention "Trastarabuelo" but I've never seen it in documents. Personally I refer to my Tatarabuelo's father as "Segundo Tatarabuelo", and keep going from there.

On familysearch.org you can find this juan Antonio married to Rivas 3 of the children were born in san felipe and 1 (questionable child) was born in san luis potosi.

There are others names juan Antonio (9NS1-S7P BORN 1695), K862-39S born 1703 and M9CJ-P5X born in 1697.

my relatives are Juan Gallegos de Cabrera MGM2-N78 born 1659 married to Petra Marmolejo. they have a son named Antonio but he is married to a rodriguez

The marriage dispensation is listed on Claudia's "Guadalajara Dispensas" website (http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/). And the link for the dispensa is at:

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18424-14807-0?cc=1874591 : accessed 19 October 2015), Guadalajara > Diócesis de Guadalajara > Matrimonios 1799, parte 1 > image 60 of 845; parroquias Católicas, Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco).

On image 62 the groom testified "...esta ligado con su pretensa con el vinculo del parentesco por afinidad de copula ilicita en primer grado por haberse mezclado con Maria Gertrudis Delgado, ya difunta, hermana de su dicha pretensa..." He then goes on to state that he also had relations with Marcela Delgado. So the impediment of primer grado was for the illicit relationship between Serapio and Maria Gertrudis, Maria Marcela's sister. Maria Marcela's penance was probably for her illicit relationship with Serapio.

Best regards,
Austin

The relationship may have been with a brother of the groom or a brother of the groom's previous wife.

Arturo,

There are a few options for "bautisomos de hijos naturales" in Cuquio:

https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea…

Check out this link and see if the two options you have are in the time
ranges you are investigating.

Saludos,
Juan Aguayo

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Arturo Gonzalez wrote:

> I'm looking for the baptism of an illegitimate child that was probably
> baptized in Cuquio around 1785 -1790. His name was Atanacio, son of
> Felipa, and the last name might have not been given, or if given, it
> was probably Peres, Rivera, Velasquez, or Gonzalez. Atanacio might
> have been listed as Indio or mestizo.
>
>
> It seems that the only available films are are for legitimate children
> (e.g., "Bautismos 1772-1788" & "Bautismos 1789-1796").
>
> Does anyone know illegitimate births were included in other Cuquio
> church books, or perhaps went to another town for such a baptism?
>
> Arturo G

Fantastic I love that area and Library. I know exactly where that is at. The Popol Vuh is housed there and I can usually find parking on the street.

I am a volunteer at a Family History Center.

A FHC will have a number of computers, may have a film scanner/printer, and microfilm readers. The centers will also have a numbers of films that patrons have borrowed -- either short term or long term loan, and some on permanent loan. There will also be a library of genealogical resources. The resources at any FHC will vary; FHCs associated with LDS temples will generally many more resources than those with the wards or stakes.

The computers at the FHCs have access to what are referred to as "premium websites." These are generally subscription websites, such as the institutional version of Ancestry.com. These resources emphasize American and British resources. The are no Mexico or Spain specific resources among this group. Ancestry.com has some digitized sources that are not presently available at Family Search, such as all the US census images. Ancestry,com also has a good collection of Mexico to US border crossing records. By arrangement with the owners of these websites church members may access some of these from their home computers; members of the public must use them at the FHC.

Some of the resources on Family Search can only be accessed at a FHC; some can only be accessed when the user is signed in with a Family Search account (for members of the general public) or an LDS account (LDS church members). A few resources, generally LDS church specific, are accessible to church members only. My experience is there are no restrictions on the Mexican records; I do not know what portion of Mexican records have been digitized, but it is certainly a lot.

By getting the microfilm numbers from the Family Search catalog, you can create a list of what films have been extracted or indexed for the communities you are researching. The indexed records have links to the images, the extracted ones do not ( so you need to search the film or digitized images for these).

Microfilms that have not been digitized can be ordered from Salt Lake for a fee (fee depends on length of loan) for viewing at a FHC. These films cannot be removed from the FHC. For a fee, these films can be kept at the FHC on permanent loan.

The volunteers at the FHC are both church members and non-members. They can help with the resources at the FHC. They also have research experience, and like those of us here at NR, have varying levels of expertise. For example, in my case I have experience in US, British, Mexican, Austrian, Czech, German, and French records. I have also used the Spanish archives. Foreign language ability is also variable.

Although you can do a tremendous amount of Mexican research from home, there are a few resources at the FHC that augment this.

George Fulton

Hello Arthur,

I have an ancestor who was an hijo natural of a Mestiza woman, who had 6 hijos naturales over a period of time; at least 2 of the children were legitimized by their Spanish father, and I imagine the other children were fathered by the same man (he married a Spanish woman, 8 months before the birth of her last child...). My ancestors probably didn't marry, because of a difference in castes/class.

Another couple I descend from - Andres Diaz de Leon and Dionicia Duron, from Sierra de Pinos - had 6 children before they married (on their IM, one of the reasons they give for marrying, is to legitimize their children). Their children were probably baptized as "hijos de padres no conocidos." I've seen cases of children born of unknown parents, and after the parents wedded, the entry is annotated in the margin, naming the parents: right image bottom, entry for Maria Magdalena:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11678-30016-9?cc=1502404&w…

I haven't visited any of the LDS Family Centers, so I'm ignorant of their resources. As far as their FamilySearch website, not all of the records have been indexed, so sometimes, one needs to scan through every image on a roll. The advantage of doing this, is locating your ancestors as padrinos or testigos.

Regarding using their FamilySearch filtered searches: if the image doesn't appear with the indexed file, then you have to locate the roll of film, and scan through the images to locate the partida.

There are different ways to access the rolls, one way is to go to https://familysearch.org/search

1. Select your country under "Research By Location."
2. A window will open naming the states; select your state.
3. The page will open with a list of Collections: choose "(name of state) Catholic Church Records."
4. Another search page will open, but rather than searching, click on the link that says "Browse through # images" (beneath "VIEW IMAGES IN THIS COLLECTION")
5. Select your town/parish, then scroll through the rolls, which are labeled by type (baptism, marriage, etc) and by year range.
6. The number of the film roll will appear in the first or second image: match it to the number given in the index, then scroll through the images, to locate your partida.

I hope that helps!

Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

I take it that the baptismal records were not separated into Baustismos de hijos legitimos and Bautismos de hijos naturales:the record itself did not state that the father is unknown or the child the "natural" child of ... If there are corresponding Civil Registration records then you could check those. I have two civil registration records where the children were registered by the great grandmother with no mention of the birth mother. The names of the children, the great grandmother, place and time all correspond to oral family history.

¿Podría ser esta su familia Jaramillo y Fregoso ?

Juana De Dios Jaramillo Fragoso
Mexico Baptisms
Name Juana De Dios Jaramillo Fragoso
Gender Female
Christening Date 18 Mar 1726
Christening Place AMECA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Sebastian Jaramillo
Mother's Name Maria Fragoso
Citing this Record

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J9YW-5NL : accessed 16 October 2015), Juana De Dios Jaramillo Fragoso, 18 Mar 1726; citing AMECA,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 233,065

Gloria