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NAVARRO family 1910 Guadalajara, Jalisco

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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Mon, 2015-10-12 11:03 | Permalink

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Hi Cindy,
As you may know, here in Mexico we use two surnames: the first one is the paternal one and is passed to the next generation, the second one is the maternal one. One usually addresses people by their fist surname.
When people move to the US they have several options:
a) Keep their two surnames in the original order.
b) Invert their order and use the maternal one as a US middle name.
c) Drop one of the surnames, usually the maternal one.

Since Sarabia is a surname, you may look under "Navarro Sarabia" or "Sarabia Navarro".

I am also looking for a Navarro Sarabia family, but they lived over a century before your folks. However, sometimes families combine their surnames and used as a combined one for several generations (like González Hermosillo, García Dávila, etc.).

I joined this group several years ago looking for leads on my GGFather Victoriano Navarro, who according to one source was from Ocotlán, Jalisco (born around 1805). According to another source his father was Domingo Navarro and his paternal grandparents were José María NAVARRO & Fernanda SARAVIA. Eventually I found documents that confirm that indeed his father was named Domingo but is seems like Victoriano was born in northern Coahuila, not in Ocotlán (however through other lines I do have ancestors from Zacatecas). I still have not found any documents confirming that Domingo's parents were indeed José Ma. Navarro & Fernanda Saravia from Jalisco.

Patricia Burton, a NuestrosRanchos member, told me she found in FamilySearch some information regarding the family of Joseph Maria NABARRO & Fernanda SANABRIA, including their marriage in Ocotlán on 16 Jun 1766. She also found the names for two of the sons of Fernanda and Joseph Maria (also listed as Joseph Manuel or Joseph Miguel):

Joseph Bernardino Senicio N., born 10 Jun 1767 in Ocotlan

Jph. Antto Mathias NABARRO Zanabria, born 6 Mar 1771 in Ocotlan

So, you may also look under Sanabria. Besides that, DNA comparison might be another option, although so far it has not helped me much in breaking my Navarro brickwall.

Good luck with your search,
Victoriano Navarro

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Hi Victoriano,

Yes, I am familiar with the name practice and although I was given a surname for Jose's mother (Padilla), I have wondered whether Sarabia was one of his grandmothers' maiden names.

I really appreciate your reply and the further information you've given here (especially the info on Sanabria). I will continue to search. These ancestors can't hide from me forever.

BTW, I have taken an autosomal DNA test (which hasn't let to any great leads on my mom's ancestry yet). However, I plan to have my mom's brother tested very soon with a y-DNA test (111 markers, if I can afford it). He's 78 so I don't want to miss the opportunity. He lives in Nevada, so planning to make a trip in the next month or two. He's expecting the test, but doesn't know yet that I also plan to assault him with questions as well.

Thanks again for your insights!

CindyF

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Hi Cindy,
Well, I have taken autosomal and Y-67 DNA tests with FTDNA and the results are also posted on GedMatch and Y-Search respectively under the surname Navarro. I look forward to your uncle's results in order to see if we match or not.
Best regards,
Victoriano Navarro

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Cindy that is great! Will you keep me posted about your visit with your
uncle? I would love to know if that will lead us to a connection.

Esther

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:57 PM, wrote:

> Hi Victoriano, Yes, I am familiar with the name practice and although I was
> given a surname for Jose's mother (Padilla), I have wondered whether
> Sarabia
> was one of his grandmothers' maiden names. I really appreciate your reply
> and
> the further information you've given here (especially the info on
> Sanabria).
> I will continue to search. These ancestors can't hide from me forever.
> BTW, I
> have taken an autosomal DNA test (which hasn't let to any great leads on my
> mom's ancestry yet). However, I plan to have my mom's brother tested very
> soon with a y-DNA test (111 markers, if I can afford it). He's 78 so I
> don't
> want to miss the opportunity. He lives in Nevada, so planning to make a
> trip
> in the next month or two. He's expecting the test, but doesn't know yet
> that
> I also plan to assault him with questions as well. Thanks again for your
> insights! CindyF
>

what's this document about?

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-1341-95?cc=1804458&wc=…

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Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Mon, 2015-10-12 11:20 | Permalink

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From what I can tell, it's a criminal proceeding against Antonio Secundo, Negro Esclavo de Pedro Guerra de Solar, for having kidnapped Maria Ysabel Carlos, taking her to Fresnillo and for raping her.

Manny Diez Hermosillo

Maria Tiscareno

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

does anyone know what it means on Maria Tiscarenos funeral when they talk
about the avito of don Franco

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12142-73876-41

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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Mon, 2015-10-12 21:19 | Permalink

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It says "con Avito de Sn. Franco." and in modern spelling it is "hábito de San Francisco". In those years many people in Monterrey and other towns were buried wearing a cloak like the one Franciscan friars wear, the religious habit of St. Francis of Assisi or hábito de Sn. Francisco.
Regards,
Victoriano Navarro

Published by iChristopher – Mon, 2015-10-12 21:24 | Permalink

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Hi Danny,

It's says that Doña María de Tiscareño was buried in the Chapel of Our Lady of Sorrows with "The Habit of St. Francis (Avito de San Francisco). The Habit was worn by lay members of the Third Order of St. Francis. It was worn as a symbol of piety and rejection of material things. Although, I've only seen it requested by the wealthiest people of Nueva Galicia.

You can read more about it here in this book about Death and Dying:

https://books.google.com/books?id=a3T5YaMqrQwC&pg=PA56&dq=HAbit++St.+Fr…

Chris
 

Luis Lópes Suáres

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Is anyone familiar with Luis Lópes Suáres? My family is descended various times from him and his wife Catarina de la Cruz (maybe Hernándes).

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Published by LasFlores – Sun, 2015-10-11 14:06 | Permalink

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There are Informacion Matrimonal records--the pre martial investigation records/ marriage petition records. Look for marriage petition record for Luis and Catarina, it should state if Luis was a widower and it will name his late wife. You can also look for death records before Feb 1673.
Here is a death record for a Catarina de la Crus. It may not belong in your family line but you should hold on to it until you can eliminate it.
Name Catharina de la Cruz
Event Type Death
Event Place Asunción de María, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico
Address Hacienda San Bartholome
Gender Female
Marital Status Widowed
Burial Date 09 Oct 1738
Spouse's Name Juan Luis
Citing this Record

The death record for Juan Luis is opposite Catharina's

"México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1620-1962", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N87C-WX2 : accessed 11 October 2015), Catharina de la Cruz, .

I had a little extra time and started looking at the marriage petition records
1715-1718--no luck yet.
Gloria

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I have indexed the Aguascalientes matrimonial investigations for this period. They are posted here at NR under files - reference materials - Aguacalientes matrimonial investigations.

Please note that the films were reposted after I did the indexes, so things don't do not align with how the films are presently posted online. However, the index will tell if the document exists, and will give the parents' names if they were in the original document. The MI's do not exist for all the early marriages.

There is more info in the documents than the indexes, so it is worth the effort if find it. If you need help with the index, please contact me through N R, and I help with the index.

George Fulton

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Thank you, Gloria. The informacion Matrimonial records really frustrate me - I haven't had good luck with them. But I know they contain a lot of valuable information. I am thinking that Luis and Catarina probably married by 1713 at the latest, because their daughter Josefa got married in 1729. So even if she was 16 when she got married, she would have been born in 1713. Thanks again.

Does Anyone Know of a Military Registry (1675 - 1695 era?) of Nueva Galicia?

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I am looking for Fernando De La Campa y Cos who supposedly was in Sombrerete, Zacatecas, Mexico in 1693. He was born in Burgos, Spain in 1676.

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Published by ssales1984 – Sun, 2015-10-11 14:34 | Permalink

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As far as I know there is no such list. I have not yet even come across lists of regions. The only thing I have found is isolated mentions in each town where so and so is "Capitan de Guerra" or "Alferez." I suppose it it possible some exist in the Archivo General de Indias or in the Archivo de Protocolos de Jalisco. The former is being digitalized, the latter not yet.

It would be a very useful find though!

Sergio

OROZCO (Orosco) family 1890s Tototlan, Jalisco

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OROZCO is one of my "brick wall" lines. I've posted an overview of this individual in my folder here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/CindyF

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Published by LasFlores – Fri, 2015-10-09 19:15 | Permalink

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Cindy,
There is a Civil Registration Record for Dolores' birth. It includes both the paternal and maternal grandparents name. It appears that Rafael is from La Aurora and the witnesses from Santa Maria-? Here is the citation:

"México, Jalisco, Registro Civil, 1857-2000," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-21210-10309-65?cc=1918187 : accessed 10 October 2015), Tototlán > Nacimientos 1895 > image 34 of 216; Archivo del Registro Civil Estado de Jalisco (Jalisco Civil Registry State Archives).
Gloria

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-21210-10309-65?cc=1918187

The writing is defeating me. This is what I've come up with but pretty sure I've only got it partially correct.

Abuelos paternos: Manuel Orosco y Victoriana Acruz(?) (Any ideas on the apellido for Victoriana?)
Abuelos maternos: Geraro Vargas y Tomasiana Ruiz.
Testigos: Porfino Hernandez y Ariyal(?) Mendoza

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Cindy,
Victoriana-I can't make out her surname.
Ceraro Vargas I think is Gerardo and
Tomasiana maybe Donaciana.
I would check the Civil Registration for marriage
records beginning with 1888 or whichever year you
believe the couples were married and work forward.
If no luck then work backwards from 1888.

Gloria

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Cindy,

Andrea Orosco d/ Rafael Orosco & Manuela Vargas
November 1893
Grandparent:Manuel Orosco & Victoriana Aceves.

Citation

"México, Jalisco, Registro Civil, 1857-2000," images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-21208-11596-2?cc=1918187 : accessed 10 October 2015), Tototlán > Nacimientos 1893 > image 166 of 183; Archivo del Registro Civil Estado de Jalisco (Jalisco Civil Registry State Archives).

Gloria

Published by gpf13 – Thu, 2015-10-08 20:28 | Permalink

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Cindy

I took a look in the Family Search catalog, and there are a number of gaps in the microfilmed records of Tototlan. There is also a note about Ayo del Chico, so looking there may be helpful.

For a number of films the storage location is Granite Mountain Vault, which means the films are not physically in Salt Lake at the library. You should contact them to see if it is possible to request the films that are not on line before you go to Salt Lake, otherwise your short amount of time may not be as productive as you would like. I've not been in Salt Lake in years, in the past it could take a day or so to get films from remote storage.

Best of luck with your search.

George Fulton

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Thanks, George. I especially appreciate the advice about requesting films in advance of my time at the SLC library!

Appreciate your reply,

CindyF

Real y Minas de San Joaquin? Fregoso? Hijar Bracamonte?

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I'm looking at the parish records of Guachinango, Jalisco. Some of the older entries and books belong to a place called Real y Minas de San Joaquin.

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Published by mendezdetorres – Mon, 2015-06-08 23:54 | Permalink

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Steve,

Domingo Fragoso and Beatriz de Híjar Bracamonte y Haro were married in the Sagrario Metropolitano of Guadalajara on 23 August 1705. Textually it declares the following: "Domingo Fregoso, español, vecino de la jurisdiction de Mascota, hijo legítimo de Juan Fregoso y Doña Angela Enríquez Beltrán con Doña Beatriz de Híjar, española, vecina de esta ciudad, hija legítima de Luis de Híjar y Doña María de Haro."

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18380-31325-96?cc=1874591&wc…

I have done extensive research on the Híjar Bracamonte family that extended principally in Nayarit, Jalisco, Michoacán, Guanajuato and Mexico City. You will enjoy these lines of Fragoso and Híjar-Bracamonte. Since you descend from them, that also means we are related numerous times. My grandmother is a second great granddaughter of Lic. Juan de Dios de Híjar, Magistrate of Guadalajara.

Through these lines you will connect with the families of Tecolotlán like Enríquez de Alencastre, Sánchez Cabezuelas, etc. On the Híjar Bracamonte line you will have several notable people like Lic. Orendáin who was the Notary in Guadalajara, the conquistadores Haro y Colio, also the Bishop of Guadalajara, the Counts of Miravalle, the conquistadores Bracamonte and Fernández de Híjar, etc. Many captains, regidores, alcaldes, soldiers, government officials, businessmen, etc These lines are a lot of fun, there is so much history because these families helped shaped western Mexico.

Now as for el "Real y Minas de San Joaquín." There is a book I have, really it belongs to my grandfather, that is called "Noticias varias de Nueva Galicia, Intendencia de Guadalajara" published by the Jalisco State Government in 1875 which describes several jurisdictions across the Kingdom of Nueva Galicia. Under the jurisdiction of Mascota, there existed a mine and settlement called San Joaquín (this is found on page 33) and it states the following: "Al sur veinte leguas, con dos europeos, 109 españoles, 3 indios, y 337 mulatos, ocupados en el laborío de minas; cuyas leyes cuando más ricas llegan a 5 onzas por cargas."

If you would like more information please email me.

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

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Daniel,

I'm so glad to find out that I share ancestors with one of the most successful members of this group. At this moment I've just scratched the surface on this family. I've been researching my ancestors from Atenguillo and Guachinango, and that's how I found my ancestors Fragoso and Hijar Bracamonte. While browsing this website, I found there's plenty of conversations about these families that I'm sure I'll enjoy researching them, and I'll have plenty of homework to keep me busy for a while!

You mention that, among other families, we descend from the counts of Miravalle. Have you been able to link your tree to emperor Moctezuma through this line?

I would certainly appreciate it if you share additional information or clues to do my own research. Can you provide your email address? The direct contact feature on Nuestros Ranchos does not seem to work for me, and messages that I sent to other members were never received. Mi email is estebanico82@yahoo.com

Saludos

Steve in NC

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Estimados Daniel, Steve y resto del grupo

Este tema de los antepasados de Steve trae a colación el viejo y oscuro tema de los Haro, Bocanegra, Bracamonte, Híjar, Colio y Miravalles.

Creo que es un tema aún no clarificado ni medianamente (al menos para mí)

Al parecer Steve, tu antepasado Simón Thadeo Fregoso e Híjar era hijo de Domingo Fregoso y Enríquez Beltrán y su esposa Beatríz de Híjar Haro y Cueva, quienes casaron como lo dice Daniel en Agosto de 1705 en Guadalajára.
Puesto que aún no hé visto la partida de bautizo de Simón Thadeo, no puedo asegurar en un cien por ciento que los mencionados sean los padres de Simón y es necesario tener eso bien aclarado ya que si suponemos que Simón es hjo de ellos, Simón debió nacer por muy tarde alrededor del año 1725 o 1730 y entonces es extraño que él se casara en Febrero de 1765 cuando ya tenía entre 35 y 40 años , aunque pudieran ser sus segundas nupcias, lo cual explicaría ese asunto de la edad un poco avanzada.

De quedar comprobada la ascendencia de Simón Thadeo, entonces , lo que yo tengo en mis notas es que no le corresponde el linaje Bracamonte, sino más bien los apellidos Bocanegra y Colio, ya que a Beatríz de Híjar y Haro yo la tengo como hija de Luis de Híjar y de María de Haro y Cueva que casaron por 1660.
María de Haroy Cueva era hija de Diego de Haro Colio y Cueva que había casado cerca de 1618 con Antonia de Esquivel y Maldonado.

Diego de Haro Colio y Cueva era hijo de Hernando de Haro y Bocanegra que casó por 1570 con Teresa de Colio y de la Torre.

Y aquí el misterio se hace denso, ya que al parecer Hernando de Haro y Bocanegra era hijo de Pedro de Bobadilla y su esposa María de Saucedo que eran encomenderos de Tepechitlán y del Teúl.

Es para mí un misterio como fue que asignaron los apellidos a sus hijos ya que uno se llamó Juan García de Saucedo; otro fue Francisco de Bobadilla; otro fue Pedro de Haro y de la Cueva; otro fue Ana de Bobadilla y Saucedo; otro fue Juan Bautista Saucedo Haro; y el ya mencionado Hernando de Haro y Bocanegra!

Para aumentar el misterio, encontré que en algún texto mencionan que María de Saucedo era indígena! Así que para que ella y su marido Bobadilla fueran encomenderos , ella debería haber pertenecido a la nobleza indígena y por tal motivo heredera de tierras en esas regiones.

Con respecto a los mencionados Miravalles, creo que hasta la fecha no está completamente establecida su línea ya que el propio primer Conde de Miravalle se construyó una genealogía FALSA! lo cual ha dificultado aclarar su verdadera ascendencia.

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Después de mandar mi texto anterior me percaté que no escribí nada sobre el marido de María de Haro Colio Cueva y Esquivel Maldonado; bueno , pues de ella tengo que efectivamente casó con un Luis de Híjar del cual no tengo los demás apellidos, pero buscando en mis notas encontré que por las fechas es probable que se trate en realidad de Luis de Orendáin Molina Híjar Bracamonte quien fue bautizado el 4 de julio de 1634, fecha que ajusta bien con la probable fecha de la boda de María de Haro realizada alrededor de 1660.

Así que de esa manera, los descendientes de María de Haro Colio y Cueva y Luis de Orendáin Molina Híjar Bracamonte podrían llevar sin problema solo los apellidos Híjar Haro y Bracamonte si así lo querían.

Respecto a los Condes de Miravalle ya se ha mencionado que su genealogía es confusa, en mis notas de hecho no tengo ni siquiera claros los nombres de los padres del primer conde:

En unos escritos he encontrado que Pedro de Ávalos Bracamonte el primer Conde de Miravalle era hijo de Pedro Ávalos Saavedra y de Leonor de Bracamonte; y en otros escritos lo hacen hijo de Juan de Ávalos y de Juana Bracamonte.

Al parecer los verdaderos padres del primer Conde fueron Juana de Bracamonte y Juan de Ávalos quienes lo bautizaron el 15 de Mayo de 1615.
Pedro no era el primogénito de Juana y Juan, ya que ellos habían bautizado a una hija llamada Juana de Ávalos Bracamonte el 24 de Enero de 1608 y los padrínos de bautizo de esta niña habían sido la tía bis-abuela de la niña, llamada Petronila Ruíz de Haro y su tercer marido llamado Fernando Andrés Costilla y Espinosa.

Es un hecho que el primer Conde era descendiente de Pedro Ruíz de Velasco Haro y Muñóz y de Leonor Arias Gómez ya que esta pareja fue la dueña de una importante Hacienda llamada Miravalle y poseedores de una inmensa fortuna gracias a una riquísima mina que descubrió Pedro Ruíz de Velasco, riquezas que sirvieron a su descendiente para obtener el título de Conde.

Pedro Ruíz de Velasco y Haro y Leonor Arias tuvieron y reconocieron sólo tres hijas : La ya mencionada Petronila, que casó tres veces; Micaela, que casó con Álvaro de Tovar; y Francisca Arias Coronado que casó con Álvaro de Bracamonte e Híjar.

Francisca y Álvaro fueron los padres de Alonso de Bracamonte, quien al parecer casó dos veces:

la primera por 1580 con Francisca González de Ávila , padres de Juana de Bracamonte, mamá del primer Conde de Miravalle;

y la segunda vez con Beatríz Fernández de Híjar y de Molina por 1590, de quien al parecer descendió Luis de Hijar Molina Bracamonte el bautizado en 1634

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Muchas gracias por su contestacion y por toda la informacion dada. De hecho, en la informacion matrimonial de Simon Thadeo Fragoso se menciona a la madre como Beatriz de Yjar Bracamonte. Este es el enlace:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18571-36218-31?cc=1874591&wc…

Aparte, en la pagina 82 de este rollo, arriba a la izquierda, se menciona que Simon tenia 38 años en 1765. Ademas, no hay mencion de un matrimonio anterior.

Seguimos en contacto.

Steve

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Hello,

I am also descend from this Hijar line. My link is Francisco Xavier de Hijar son of Luis de Hijar and Maria de Haro Cueva. I haven't been researching this family for that long, I just recently discovered my great great grandmother Maria Ysabel Nerio (Hijar) used her step fathers last name that being Nerio when she arrived to California. I would love to learn more on the surname. Any pertinent history information you may be able to share would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Amalia...

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En especial a los Compañeros Steve G. Apodaca y el Brillante Compañero Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino , hope that I can help a little with my humble contribution the Chavez Fregoso,s descended from the same Family branch of our Patriarch Don Leonardo Fregoso . His First Wife whas Bernardina Farfan they were the parents of Domingo Fregoso my 8th great-grandfather and Geronima de la Cueva who is also my 8th great-grandmother then Leonardo Fregoso got married with Ana de Chávez one of his many children was Pedro Chávez Fragoso birth 1593 • Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico .

Antonio Madera 1573 Pasjero de Indias?

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http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

Refence No. is: INDIFERENTE,2057,N.91

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Published by RJQ – Fri, 2015-04-03 10:14 | Permalink

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For those having dificulties finding the pdf here it is. (let me know if it works, I am re sharing it)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-cDWUXy4ZMmbU8wazlhQ0lIOXM/view?usp=s…

Madera, just a note, in the days of "Nueva Galicia" there were no frontiers between the states that conforms the area today, it was a macro state and a at some level independent from "La Intendencia de Mexico", thus passing between today Zac, Jal, etc. wasn't really crossing any border.

Like Cathy mentioned the relation between the Jerezes are its founders, but the Spanish is the one with the "de la frontera" name, is quite difficult to sort them out, even more if we take in account how many records mentioned "jerez" the wine/vinegar instead.

Published by RJQ – Wed, 2015-03-25 11:47 | Permalink

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This is more or less what the introductory letter says (first page):

Antonio madera vzo (vecino) de la ciudad de Sivilla (sevilla) dize que en la Nueva
España esta y reside maestre Alo. (Alonso) su cuñado el cual es ?? (barbero?) y cirujano hombre fin? y sin hijos porque una hija q' tenia se metio de monja, y es administrador del ospital real de la ciudad de mexico y por no tener hijos como dicho es nuestro heredero mas cercano q' a la mujer del dicho Antonio madera q' es su hermana los a ymbiado (embiado) alla(allá) mas para el dar su hacienda y as sus hijos y a si mismo los a ymbiado dinero para hacer el viaje como pido? parece Por la ynformacion que presenta y por que ellos son pobres y padecen muncha necessidad y assi les ymporta su remedio y a permanecer la dha' (dicha) Nueva España en compañia del dicho su cuñado y Hermano suplica a V. alza. (vuestra alteza) les mande dar licenza. (licencia) para alla q' enello recibira mucho?

I put question marks on words that don't convince me, is practically the typical petition for a licence to go to America, the next pages may contain more information but usually is just the witnesses declarations. If this is one of your ancestors you should try this document as your spring project :)

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Thank you Katy and RJC. Does it say anything about his age or how he looks like?

I have read about other pasjaeros de indias and it usually would describe the person traveling.

Published by katy_brecht_quesada – Wed, 2015-03-25 18:19 | Permalink

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it's weird how i can't find pasjaeros record for any the founders of jerez like pedro carrillo davila or hernan gonzalez de berrocal

Published by Armando – Wed, 2015-03-25 20:27 | Permalink

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Katy, there are a lot of founders from throughout Nueva Galicia that we are missing the licencia de Pase a Indias.

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Katy, just like Armando mentioned there is many records missing in the historical national/state archives in Mexico and in Spain, many were sent back and forward and finally kept on different territories, many were lost, destroyed, misplaced, you name it. There are many that still archived with out been truly indexed even less shown on the Internet, there is also those that where taken from the archives and sold them to private parties like collectors, in Mexico specially after the revolution many records "disappeared", and although many were destroyed, reality is that they are on someones collections. In my hometown, its native historian the renown J. Amaya Topete found the original documents of the first spanish description of the town (when the natives where still culturally alive) in the University of Austin Texas, go figure how it end up there, a least who ever had it, pass it to an institution, we don't have that much luck with other records.

Any way, the wikipedia entry for Jerez, Zac. in spanish states that its local Historian Luis Miguel Berumen Félix, keeps himself those records concerning the people you just mention, it looks like he has some publications about it, my guess is that the only way for you to put an eye on those records is by contacting him directly. It also mention that some records are in the Guadalajara archives.

In case you haven't, there are also some indexed records of the "Audiencia de Nueva Galicia" on the Public Library of Jalisco website. You may find something there too.

http://www.bpej.udg.mx/catalogo

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ok i'll check into that. the reason why i'm looking, because i've seen a few trees mistakenly refer to hernan gonzalez as being a son of pedro carrillo davila and sancha vazquez de tapia when hernan is too old to be a possible son of theirs(feel free to ask how i came up with that conclusion). i would like figure out who are his parents actually, and to see if pedro carrillo davila and hernan gonzalez were perhaps related to each other in some other way.
it would be nice if i could also find if hernan's wife was either a full or half sister of miguel caldera, but i highly doubt i'll ever find the answer to that question.

also i would like see if hernan's daughter catalina was once married to rodrigo pinedo.

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I also want to thank you very much Katy for helping me out. I remember you stating in the past about "archivos de indias"

I want to mention that when I recently had gone in person to the LDS center to look at microfilm on tierras/escrituras during the late 1600's and early 1700's. There is a person that that came over to chat with me about geneology and she knew so much about the "pasajero de indias" and was on the computer opening all these websites to show me ways to locate people that traveled to the Americas.

I wonder if she can help in finding what your looking for.

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Katy? I am looking at the PARS website and did a search on "testamentos" and filtered to "archivos de indias"

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

I ran across one "relacion de meritos y servicios de Fernando De Vera, Licenciado en canones doctor en Teologia, vicario y juez de testamentos de Jerez de la Frontera, juez eclesiastico de las escuelas de Salamanca" year 1641.

Here is the reference no. to look up: INDIFERENTE,112,N.6

Here are a couple of more people from Jerez De La Frontera mentioned in year 1604:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/b5s0mh.jpg

Reference no. CONTRATACION,272,N.1,R.1

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Madera, Katy, "Jerez de la Frontera" is in Spain, the Mexican one is just called "Jerez" (now with "de García Salinas), called like that after the former.

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yeah i know, it's just that some of the earlier settlers of jerez in mexico came from jerez de la frontera in Spain.

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also madera, can you give me a link to that pdf file on jerez de la frontera

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I found it in google and the name of the PDF file is "actores educativos de la region minera zacatecas" The link has a PDF extension.

Jerez De La Frontera isn't that also Jerez, Zacatecas, Mexico because Jerez is near the border of two states Jalisco and Zacatecas "La Frontera?"

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If you want to find the link? Try googling: "padrones zacatecas 1648"

then when the list comes up? you will see the one that says "actores educativos de la region minera zacatecas" with a pdf extension.

click on that and a pdf file will download on your computer which you then open to look at. It is very long but interesting information. let me know if you found it.

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Why don't you just give us the link?

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: zacatecano020@hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 12:05:38 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
>
> If you want to find the link? Try googling: "padrones zacatecas 1648" then
> when the list comes up? you will see the one that says "actores educativos de
> la region minera zacatecas" with a pdf extension. click on that and a pdf
> file will download on your computer which you then open to look at. It is
> very long but interesting information.
>

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I had trouble trying to copy the link. When I click on the link it downloads the PDF file to my computer. If I right click on the link, "copy link address" and when I tried to paste it here it is too long. It is called, "Actores educativos en la region minera de zacatecas 1754 - 1821" It is a lengthy pdf file and it has lots of information on Zacatecas prior to 1754. It has several pages on the beginnings of Jerez, Zacatecas, Mexico.

Go to google and type:

actores educativos en la region minera de zacatecas 1754 - 1821

You will see it with a "PDF" file and the link begins with upn.mx/../libros-version

Click on it. Let me know if you were able to see it.

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Thank you Armando! What was a barbero? So the cunado name "Maestro Alonso" was a barbero and cirujano? While Antonio Madera was administrador de ospital? Now I have to find out the names of his children. Because their has to be a guy to inherit and continue on the surname "Madera"

Because I need to make the connection of that Antonio Madera of 1573 with my 7th generation Great Grandfather Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709) who was at Minillas, Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico who may be the grandson of the Antonio Madera that cross over to Nuevo Espana on the Pasajero De Indias.

On the very last page, there is a title, "Doctor"

http://oi59.tinypic.com/r7m29z.jpg

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Armando, thank you for the link, thats interesting indeed, also I am guessing that by Maestre he could had work for the military.

Madera, I am sorry for not translating, is English your native language? (mine is spanish, with my bad english is rather obvious) It goes something like this:

Antonio Madera neighbor from Sevilla says, In Nueva España there is and lives Maestre Alonso his Bthr in law, who is a Barber and Surgeon, a men without kids since his daughter became a Nun, and he (Alonso) is an administrator of the Ospital Real of Mexico city, and because he doesn't' have kids we(Madera's family and Alonso) have the closest "inheritance relation", the wife of the mentioned Antonio Madera who is his (Alonso) sister has been summoned (in Mexico) to be inherited as well as her kids, he (Alonso) also send them money for the trip according to the presented information, since they (Madera's family) are poor and have much necessities, thus they need this and also to live there (Mexico) in the company of the aforementioned Brother in Law, whom beg to your Highness for a license since they would receive the most out of it.

If I have time I would look for other information on the document that seems interesting, in this case since Antonio M. was already married and the main person in question is his wife, there is no initial description of them, unlike sigles who traveled in those days, but it may be something with in the docs, I havent seen them all.
Also the name Madera brings quite a few hits on the pares website, it may be the case that more than one came to America. By the way is Francisco I. Madero related to your ancestors, that would be interesting.

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Thank you RJQ,

Very interesting in what you tell me. I have for sure my ancestry traced back to 1660 going back to my 7th generation great grandparents "Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709) and Maria De La Candelaria Angon (1655 - 1735). But they lived at Minillas, Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico. Two generations later their grandson Blas Madera had two sons name Francisco Madera and Lazaro Madera who then show up at Huejuquilla El Alto during the early 1700's. And that is where we have been since.

I don't know who the parents are of Antonio Madera of Minillas, Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico.

Oh wait? It was the Maestro Alonso that you say didn't have kids and for that reason had Antonio Madera and his wife travel to Mexico for the inheritance since Alonso is the brother of the wife of Antonio.

But then there is the posibility that Antonio and his wife had kids that traveled along too.

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Madera, the fact your oldest ancestor found shares the same name as the one in the records adds to the possibilities, no doubt, kids and grand kids usually have their folks names, take in account though, that the name Madera/Madero was not uncommon, and there are more records of people with this name coming to then Nueva España, those in the record went straight to Mexico city, you should check on the church records there.

And yes, that page states that Alonso did not have but a daughter who became a Nun and thus (I guessing) deprived of possessions. I does seems like they, Madera and his wife had kids, next time I give it a look to the rest of the record, this if not you or someone else have figured out already.

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Thank you RJQ,

And I am very sad that the original records of your town ended up in the University of Austin, Texas which does not belong there.

My female partner has an older sister from ciudad zacatecas, Mexico who is a historian of Zacatecas with a degree and she wrote a book that is on publication, and I have a copy. She told me that she used to work in the library of archives in downtown Guadalupe, Zacatecas, Mexico, that is open to the public, that some people would go to the library and rip out pages from the original books and take them.

I thank you so much on you with all the information your giving me and your interpretation of the document I had asked for help on as my eyes are wide open and also relaying to my cousin who is eager to know. She is on my facebook and she currently lives in Guadalajara where she has worked for he Government. She is from our village and we share the same Great Great Grandfather Patricio Madera where she told me tales about him that she heard from her relatives. She had told me that her uncles had tales that Patricio Madera fue "firmante de adhesion al Federalismo en 1824."

I would definetly appreciate it if you can further decipher that document for me to see if Antonio Madera and Isabela Lopez that moved to Mexico City in 1573 had kids. Becuase since it is very hard to find records of Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico that go beyond my 7th generation great grandfather Antonio Madera (1660 - 1709).

You are correct that I should look at the records of Mexico City for the Antonio Madera and Isabela Lopez that moved there in 1573. I would probably search for defunto records in Mexico City which might give more information as to any kids they may have had. Which then I can follow those kids or grandkids to see if any of them had gone to Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico.

Also you mentioned Francisco I, Madero. That would be neat if I am related to him. From what I know about him, his family is from Chihuahua, Mexico and are wealthy business owners. I think he may be related to the winery of "Casa Madero" in Coahuila, Mexico. From their website it says that winery was formed when a group of Friars had departed from Zacatecas in the late 1500's heading up north where they arrived to Valle De Parras, Coahuila, Mexico where they established wineries. I wonder how they got the name "Madero"

I also want to check into your town where you mentioned about an original document by the spanish of their first description of your town.

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Madera, its really not that much, I enjoy reading all documents and in turn "helps" me for when I go back to my genealogy, is good to focus on something totally unrelated sometimes to go back "afresh", I am glad I can help a little, and like I said, its a retro-feeding process.

You are lucky that your last name is in fact in "Castellano", that is, not foreign to the language, thus it almost never changed nor it was misspelled often, but I would suggest to keep an eye on the "Madero" variation. I would think that they are in fact the same name.

Even with all the loses, we are lucky that Mexico and Spain have so many records still, many other countries are not that reach in archives, we think it as a bummer when we can't pass the 1600's, but in reality much more people from other places can't even go beyond a couple of generations.

Jesus Amaya Topete was from Ameca in Jalisco, which is my hometown, He published quite a bit of stuff about Mexico and Jalisco history, to my luck I've never been able to see his actual books, but citations from them in other works. He found those documents I mentioned that belongs to "Las relaciones" which were geographical, historical and political descriptions of towns ordered by the Spanish Monarchy done in many places including Spain.

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Yes, I looked him up yesterday and saw that he is from Ameca. I believed Ameca is in Southern Jalisco, but then saw on map it is in the center. Is it closer to Colotlan or Guadalajara?

I was reading up on some history of Ameca and also I vaguely remember seeing old maps of Ameca that I saw in the PARS website.

Have you looked up Ameca in this website:

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

There are some information on Ameca there. Search for it then when the list comes up, filter on the left side by selecting, archivo de indias.

I see an old map of ameca 1709. And other documents prior to that.

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Madera thank you for the link, yes, there are more than one Ameca, a least two with this exact name, one close to Huejuquilla on the north side, my town is the one close to Cocula in the 70 highway towards Mascota from Guadalajara. Really old town but my paternal line came from Nochistlán, my own "tale of two cities" :).

de Hijar

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Hello all it's been awhile since I have been on here but I have uncovered another line in Jalisco.

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Also, Juan Fernandez de Hijar traveled from Spain to Mexico with Alsonso de Bracamonte. Juan founded la Villa de Purificacion in Jalisco in 1534.

Hernando de Martel

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In the chapter of Gallegos in Retornos de Espana de la Nueva Galicia by Mariano Gonzalez Leal states that he could not find how Juan de Escobar and Beatriz de Gallegos gave rise to the name their son

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Published by iChristopher – Thu, 2015-10-08 15:12 | Permalink

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Hi Simona,

There isn't proof for a lot regarding this family, but, other than the Alcalde, Hernando de Martel being the son of Juan de Escobar and Beatriz de Gallegos, some of what you posted is definitely incorrect.

I actually descend from the Hernando Martel married to Beatriz de Villegas, daughter of Pedro Macías Valadez and Luisa de Villegas. This particular Hernando Martel is not the son of Pedro Gonzalez and Maria de Frias, he's actually the son of Luis Gonzalez and Beatriz Gallegos. His mother Beatriz Gallegos is also not the daughter of Pedro Gonzalez, actually, no one you mentioned is the child of Pedro Gonzalez, though, Pedro Gonzalez's wife, Maria de Frias is the mother of the Juana Martel you mentioned, through her first husband, Hernando Gallegos aka Hernando Martel. The Hernando Gallegos/Martel married to Maria de Frias is probably the son of the Alcalde, Hernando Martel, and probably, the brother of the Beatriz Gallegos that's married to Luis Gonzales.

Christopher de Cuellar

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Thank you. I at least know a little bit more of what happen to Martel's children, but I still need to find how and why his name is Martel. It will be by a miracle as Mariano Gonzalez Leal looked for it along with other genealogists/writers on the topic with access to much more than I do right now.

> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 15:24:35 -0700
> From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hernando de Martel
>
> sarod77,
>
> there's a wikipedia page for Hernando Matel. I'm not sure how accurate it
> is, but it looks like they have some sources.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hernando_Martel
>
> Danny C. Alonso

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7th great grandfather, Juan Gallegos de Cabrera married to Petra Marmolejo.

I posted a question hoping for guidance. The question was based on information, some would say is an authority on the subject: Mariano Gonzalez Leal "Retornos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia," whom also mentions another name Don Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias "Genealogist de Nochistlan that states Pedro Gonzalez married Maria de Frias. So what I understand the information is incorrect? Please enlighten me with the facts.

Of course the material written was based on what was available to them at the time although it would seem from original sources.

Also, when I posted this message I noticed that it did not go out to everyone or I would have received a message. I have been on the alert to a response and saw none. I checked it twice a day since posting. I do regret I did not answer sooner to those who left a message. Thanks for your help.

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Hi Simona, The part about Pedro Gonzalez being married to Maria de Frias is correct. But, Maria de Frias was married also to Hernando Gallegos/Martel. That's where the Martel in Juana Martel comes from.    

Regarding the books cited, they are the authority, but most genealogical books are going to have some errors. We've had numerous discussions in the forum regarding some of those errors. Unfortunately, that's just the way it is.

There was a discussion regarding Hernando Martel from several years ago that I located, it also discusses some of the errors regarding the Martel's: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18042?page=1  

Also, I'm actually not familiar with Juan Gallegos de Cabrera, who is he the son of?

Chris

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I do not know who Juan de Gallegos de Cabrera (MGM-N78 Familysearch.org)married to Petra Marmolejo MGM2-N7G(Guanajuato) Parents are of yet but his children
1. Pasquala Gallegos de Cabrera Marmolejo marries Joseph Eusebio Delgado

2. Antonio Gallegos de Cabrera Marmolejo marries Maria Rodriguez

I have not been able to find anymore information on them other these two children. He may have married before or after or they have additional names. Still looking. Thank you kindly for the help

Purificacion and Antonio Garcia Cubas' Gift to Us

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Jose:

There is a wonderful publication by Antonio Garcia Cubas called the Diccionario Geográfico, Histórico y Biográfico de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos. It is available online through the links section of the site. It has descriptions of all localities including cross-referencing historical names...

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Published by 1traviesa – Fri, 2015-10-09 14:28 | Permalink

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Are you talking about the Villa Purificacion that Juan Fernandez de Hijar founded? If so its very small southwet of Autlan in Jalisco. Hijar is my great grandfather 12x. I am currently working on citations for this line.

Greetings from Tejas (another newbie) - Tracking Family in Zacatecas

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Hello everyone,

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Published by longsjourney – Thu, 2015-10-08 09:57 | Permalink

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.
Welcome to the wonderful and frustrating world of genealogy. I'm researching in Jerez where there are a lot of people from Fresnillo but not the names you mentioned in my research. There are holes and gaps in the records for Jerez and Tepetongo too. I do believe the revolution had a lot to do with missing records and we just have to work around them. Sometimes we get lucky and find a marriage dispensation that takes the line further back. As for me I take everyone from that surname in that town and put it in a file until I can hopefully connect them in some way. I do have lines that go nowhere and lines that show them coming from Spain as late as mid 1700's in Jerez.
good luck in your search,
Linda Castanon-Long

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film # 439648 Fresnillo baptism
page 535 Familysearch online

gives the grandparents for Simona Medrano

Do you have this film?

Linda Castanon-Long
in Olympia, Wa

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this record takes it back another generation

. baptism 13 Sept 1869 in capilla de hacienda de Santa Cruz, Fresnillo, Zac
Jacinta
parents: Crisanto Medrano and Faustina Ruiz
pat grn:Julio Medrano and Apolinar Zaldivar
mat grn:Julian Ruiz and Juana Avina
source: 439821 Fresnillo baptism
page 228 Familysearch online
.

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.
I should have looked at your genealogy sheet before sharing what I did since you already have that information..
I'm wondering if they came from some place other than Zacatecas? I have a relative searching for Apolonio Nicolas Avina and Valentina Nunez who's daughter Antonia Avina said she was from Fresnillo and married to Doroteo Montanez with their children being born in Fresnillo from 1865 to 1875. The rest of their 7 children were born in Jerez and one says he was born in Valparaiso.
Linda

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Longsjourney.....yes, I do have this information about Jacinta..she was the sister of my great grandfather, Martiniano. This connection was actually captured by my cousin doing research in the 1990s. I have all of my cousin's Family Group report printouts, which were done with the LDS software program. I have started transferring (via manual data entry) my cousin's information to the software I am using (GRAMPS) and had not entered Jacinta's information into it yet, so that is why it was not on my tree report.

As for Julian Ruiz and Juana Avina (I have it documented as AVINO), it appears my cousin focused on them was was able document limited information on the RUIZ/AVINO family. She does not have any descendant information for Juana AVINO. However, she did note that in addition to Faustina Ruiz (wife of Cristiano Medrano) being their child, they also had a son, Rafael Ruiz. (Rafael married Francisca Pino and they had a child named Severa Ruiz in Fresnillo on 1/31/1878 with a baptism of 02/08/1878.) While I have not yet looked for Rafael Ruiz's baptismal document, it may list grandparent information for AVINO/AVINA if found....this might connect with the Avinas you are speaking about.

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Linda, thank you for the suggestion about putting the names in a file...kinda like a puzzle...seeing where they do/don't fit. I will work something like that.

For me, I figured out pretty fast that by the 4th generation back from me, the family tree shoots in all kinds of directions. While I am trying to work each branch of ancestors, it can be pretty involved working them. For the most part, I try to put most of my energy into my paternal (Medrano) and my mother's maiden surname (Sanchez) and keep following the males 'down the rabbit hole'. So far, these two lines have given me an adventure with the Medrano line leading me to the city of Durango and then to Fresnillo. My mother's side leads me to San Jose, Hidalgo de Parral, Chihuahua and then also to the city of Durango. While my parents met in El Paso, Tx in the late 1940s, their respective paternal bloodlines had 'crossed paths' in Durango in the mid-late 1800s. To me, this is very intersting.

For the Jerez municipal records, I was reading a narrative at some point stating 'historical records' of the municipality were destroy during an skirmish early in the Revolution. It does not state what record types were destroyed. If you look at the Wikipedia entry for JEREZ, it has this information plus the reference, which is a Zacatecas Government Reference guide to the state's history or something along those lines, so it seems legit.

In reading the letters my father's cousin sent him, regarding her family reseach in the 1990s, she noted she had trouble accessing Durango documents via the LDS research library because of a Durango '100 year rule' which did not allow the LDS researchers to microfilm or document baptism/marriage documents which were less than 100 years old. I have no way to verify or confirm this, but she did ask my father (who lived/lives in Jerez) to drive out to Durango to personally do some research and request access as a family decendant.

Padron (Census) of Mezquitic, Jalisco, Mexico 1783

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Reference No. SGU,LEG,7015,2

Pars website: http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

It starts on page: 115 Recto - Imagen Núm: 229 / 314

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Published by Joseph de Leon – Wed, 2015-10-07 11:49 | Permalink

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I tried the web address but when the home page came up, none of the button options led me to Mezquite Census. Only European sites.

Joseph de leon

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Copy this referenc number:

SGU,LEG,7015,2

Paste to this link:

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

If you get to opening the document. Then on the right side there is the drop down menu. Select the "Verso or Recto" number.

For example, "Recto 115" and click on that document that is there and that one is the start of the Mezquitic Census.

Or to quickly open that document:

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=3&&t…

then after opening documento....go to drop down menu on right and look for "Recto 115"

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Thanks, I followed the directions as instructed but got the same results.

Thanks, anyway.

Joseph de Leon

Published by MADERA_32 – Wed, 2015-10-07 19:54 | Permalink

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Click:

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=3&&t…

Select "Ver Imagens" on the left side as I demonstrate here:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/25s2akg.jpg

Then on right side click the drop down menu and select "Recto 115"

http://oi61.tinypic.com/ezr8sn.jpg

Then on left side click anywhere in the document to open it in full and you will see at top the description about Mezquitic Census and list of names that continues on for pages and you will also the all the ranchos with list of names around Mezquitic:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/245yp3k.jpg

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Padron De Mesquitic ( 115 Recto - Imagen Núm: 229 / 314)
Padron De San Pedro De Nostic (117 Verso - Imagen Núm: 234 / 314)
Arrendatarios / Arrimados (imigrantes) (119 Recto - Imagen Núm: 237 / 314)
Puesto De Santa Cruz / Rancho De San Juan (119 Verso - Imagen Núm: 238 / 314)
Cerro Colorado / Puesto De San Geronimo (120 Recto - Imagen Núm: 239 / 314)
Puesto De Minillas (120 Verso - Imagen Núm: 240 / 314)
Rancho Del Saucito / Rio De Atemalague (121 Recto - Imagen Núm: 241 / 314)
Rancho De Abajo / Rancho Del Rio (121 Verso - Imagen Núm: 242 / 314)
Rancho Del Potrero De Atolague (121 Verso - Imagen Núm: 242 / 314)
Rancho Del Salitre / Rancho Del Vallecito en San Juan (122 Recto - Imagen Núm: 243 / 314)
Rancho Del Santa Gertrudis / Rancho De La Margarita (122 Verso - Imagen Núm: 244 / 314)
Rancho De La Soledad (122 Verso - Imagen Núm: 244 / 314)
Padron De La Mesa Del Fraile / El Salto (123 Recto - Imagen Núm: 245 / 314)
El Salto (123 Verso - Imagen Núm: 246 / 314)
Rancho Del Refugio De La Mesa / Rancho De Lopez (124 Recto - Imagen Núm: 247 / 314)
Rancho De Las Laxarde / La Mesa (124 Verso - Imagen Núm: 248 / 314)
Rancho De La Partonia (124 Verso - Imagen Núm: 248 / 314)

Padron (Census) of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico Year 1783

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It is in a document on Colotlan 1785 that is 314 pages long. It is very interesting because beginning on pg 112 it talks about the nearby pueblos in detail.

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The Padron for Hacienda San Antonio De Padua near Huejuquilla El Alto year 1783 starts at Recto 97 Imagen 193

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I am noting down the names of places of the census and their page number in the document.

These are the Ranchos of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico Census location year 1783:

Rancho de Paisanos, Rancho de Carnival (98 Verso - Imagen Núm: 196 / 314)
Rancho De Los Animas / Rancho De Jimulco (99 Recto - Imagen Núm: 197 / 314)
Rancho San Isidoro / Rancho De Senor San Jose (99 Verso - Imagen Núm: 198 / 314)
Rancho Buena Vista / Rancho De Los Mesquites (100 Recto - Imagen Núm: 199 / 314)
Rancho Del Refugio / Rancho Del Rincon De Maderas (100 Verso - Imagen Núm: 200 / 314)
Rancho De San Vicente / Rancho De Santa Gertrudis (100 Recto - Imagen Núm: 201 / 314)
Rancho De Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe / Rancho Del Portrero (101 Recto - Imagen Núm: 201 / 314)
Rancho De La Escondida / Rancho De Margaritas (101 Recto - Imagen Núm: 201 / 314)
Rancho Del Sapotillo / Rancho De La Cienega (101 Verso - Imagen Núm: 202 / 314)
Rancho De Santa Rita (101 Verso - Imagen Núm: 202 / 314)
Rancho Del Salitre (102 Recto - Imagen Núm: 203 / 314)
Rancho De Nuestra Senora De La ? / Rancho De Nuestra Senora De La ? 102 Verso - Imagen Núm: 204 / 314)
Rancho De Taciutapa ( 102 Verso - Imagen Núm: 204 / 314)
Rancho De La Tenenia / Rancho De La Calera (103 Recto - Imagen Núm: 205 / 314)
Rancho Del Soya (103 Recto - Imagen Núm: 205 / 314)
Rancho De San Juan Nepomuceno De La Cochina (103 Verso - Imagen Núm: 206 / 314)
Rancho Del Salto / Rancho De Santa Rosa (103 Verso - Imagen Núm: 206 / 314)
Rancho De Coyotes / Rancho Del Carnival (104 Recto - Imagen Núm: 207 / 314)
Rancho De Nuestra Senora De Dolores (104 Recto - Imagen Núm: 207 / 314)
Calerilla / Rancho Del Pino (104 Verso - Imagen Núm: 208 / 314)
Rancho De Mira Flores (104 Verso - Imagen Núm: 208 / 314)
Rancho De Acatita / Santa Teresa (105 Recto - Imagen Núm: 209 / 314)
Rancho De La Muralla / Rancho Del Sapote (105 Verso - Imagen Núm: 210 / 314)
Rancho San Pedro / Rancho De Calabasas (105 Verso - Imagen Núm: 210 / 314)
Rancho De La Boquilla (105 Verso - Imagen Núm: 210 / 314)
Rancho De Paisanos (106 Recto - Imagen Núm: 211 / 314)
San Juan Capistrano (105 Recto - Imagen Núm: 209 / 314)

San Nicolas (106 Recto - Imagen Núm: 211 / 314)
Rancho de Arrendatarios / Estancia de ? Pueblo (107 Verso - Imagen Núm: 214 / 314)
Padron De La Soledad (108 Recto - Imagen Núm: 215 / 314)

Teocaltiche,Jalisco and surrounding areas.

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Veronica,

Have any of your searches led you to Nochistlan? Many families began in
Nochistlan Zacatecas and moved out to surrounding areas. Teocaltiche,
Mexticacan, Yahualica, Cuquio, Tepatitlan and Jalostitlan are some of

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Published by vrahorn – Mon, 2009-01-19 20:15 | Permalink

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I haven't checked any other areas besides Teocaltiche. I still have a lot of
film to look through and, hopefully (with my fingers crossed), I'll find a
link. If not, I truly appreciate your advise below.

Thanks so much,
V-

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To:
Sent: 04 January, 2009 11:20
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Teocaltiche,Jalisco and surrounding areas.

> Veronica,
>
> Have any of your searches led you to Nochistlan? Many families began in
> Nochistlan Zacatecas and moved out to surrounding areas. Teocaltiche,
> Mexticacan, Yahualica, Cuquio, Tepatitlan and Jalostitlan are some of
> Jalisco's surrounding/neighboring towns.
> Some surrounding towns from outside of Jalisco and within Zacatecas are
> Jalpa, Huanusco, Tepusco, Apulco and Villanueva among others. Keep
> these in mind when doing your research, know the geographical area.
>
> See below from WIKIPEDIA, and while there are some discrepancies, for the
> most part this was one of the first official Spanish settlements in the
> three states, Aguascalientes, Jalisco and Zacatecas.
>
>
> Nochistlán is a town in the Mexican state of Zacatecas. Nuño Beltrán de
> Guzmán, on December 3, 1531, hired Juan de Oñate to establish a village in
> Nochistlán; the village would be named Guadalajara to honor Guzmán for
> having been born in Guadalajara. Guadalajara was founded in Nochistlán on
> January 5,
> having as officials Juan de Oñate, Sancho Ortíz de Zuñiga and Miguel
> Ibarra. They worked at this project for only 16 months and created the
> first layout of Guadalajara.
> The first news that we have regarding the natives of these lands points to
> the Tecuexes.
> These people established settlements around 1000 A.D. Later in the 12th
> century a new group of people moved in, these people were called Caxcan
> and they were from the valley in Tuitlán, which is now found in the
> municipality of Villa Nueva Zacatecas. The Caxcan established Nochistlán
> by driving out the Tecuexe by force.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Calif
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> ________________________________
> From: Veronica Rahorn
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2009 5:06:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Teocaltiche,Jalisco
>
> Sylvia,
> I don't know if anyone has responded to you, but I am very interested in
> hooking up with other people who are descendents from the Teocaltiche
> region. I have traced my history back to 1805 to Teocaltiche, but family
> records are few. I think it's because my family was new to Teocaltiche
> around this time frame. I need to order more films to see if I can get any
> clues as to where they came from. I would be really interested in
> migration
> patterns to Teocaltiche.
>
> m

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Hi everyone!

On-site Film:

I have been using the on line portal for LDS records on line. I do not have any guidance from the site, are there any user tips and guidelines? I have noticed I can sometimes find a name, but it will not come up on other attempts...is there a reason. Are the LDS files different? The pilot is a great tool.

Teocaltiche/Talpa De Allende
My primary research in this area has been the Rodriguez surname. I have been unable to find records beyond my paternal paternal great-grandparents: Mauro Rodriguez( Maria Nieves Velasco).

I have found all of my paternal great-uncles, but not my aunt Ysabel Rodriguez.

I have found the Velasco's in Talpa De Allende and was able to get back to the 1770's. I can hardly wait to visit this beautiful area. I have tried Nochistlan will zero hits. Do I need to try every jurisdiction nearby?

Sierra De Pinos, Zacatecas

My family were Aguilar's. They had one of the Haciendas in town. My grandmother who left as a child of 8 or 10 believed the name to be after the patron saint Santo Nino De Atocha, but I found a book naming the Haciendas and do no see that name. Yet during a visit in 1997 I was shown the hacienda(ruins) by the mayor and the map of the ranchos and was told since our ancestral home was in the municipality, all records would note Pinos as opposed to someone born in the Rancho Lobos. The Aguilar name goes as far back to the 1600's in this town. I have from actual microfilms I read locally and in Salt Lake City of my great grandfather and great-great grandfather, and yet these do not come up on the LDS on line search. I also have notarized documents I paid for my the local notary and town historian, Ricardo Acosta.

Why, I do not understand the idiosyncrasies.

Hijo Natural
My great grandmother's birth entry states:" hijo natural, legitimo de Espiridion Aguilar, commerciate mayor." We knew my ggrandmother was Indian and he stole her from her people and my g-grandmother had insisted on a marriage when she was of age, but this birth entry is contradictory.

Search Names: Rodriguez, Velasco, Hernandez, Cubillos, Mares, Aguilar.

Sylvia Rodriguez Robles

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I too am doing research in Teocaltiche and the surrounding area (Rio Chico
hacienda, Jalostotitlan, Tepatitlan). Thus far I have documented my
ancestors back to Juana Maria Lozano Dias, born 17 Sep 1752 to Juan Miguel
Lozano and Lorenza Diaz. The baptismal record is from Nuestra Senora de Los
Dolores, Teocaltiche. I have been unable to locate records for Juan Miguel
Lozano, to confirm his baptism, marriage to Lorenza Diaz and his death.
This has been my brick wall. I would be happy to collaborate with anyone
and everyone doing similar research in this area. Thanking everyone in
advance.

Bob Lozano

Published by Sroblz – Mon, 2009-01-05 18:13 | Permalink

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I am so pleased with the response and research tips. I will look at Nochistlan and other locals mentioned to continue my search. Someone mentioned similar points and I found a hit in San Juan De Los Lagos.
Some family members had wifes from Nochistlan surnamed Rosas and Luna. They all immigrated to the US about 1917. The families first settled in Peachsprings, Arizona and then permanently in Needles, CA. Ofcourse over time the first generation has passed away and most descendants now live in other parts of California, Nevada and Arizona and Washington state.
Thank you all so much, this is so much fun!

Sylvia Rodriguez Robles

Greetings from sunny SoCal

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Greetings,
A little introduction from a newbie here. My name is Cindy and I live in sunny Southern California.

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Published by dcalonso – Mon, 2015-10-05 06:45 | Permalink

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welcome to the Forum CindyF. Do you know what the full names are of the
actual brick walls your stuck on and who theyre married to. Some of the us
in the Forum might be related to the same peoples and be able to help you

Danny C. Alonso

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Hi Cindy, I am researching my paternal great grandmother Maris Nieves Velasco, daughter of Pablo Velasco. She married Mauro Rodriguez in Teocaltiche.

I'm in Riverside area, where for a change it us raining.

Published by Esther Jordan Lopez – Sun, 2015-10-04 20:15 | Permalink

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On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Cindy F wrote:

> maternal grandfather's lines have been found in Ocotlan, La Barca, Jamay,
> Magdalena and possibly Tequila. Surnames are:
> Jimenez/Jimenes/Gimenes/Ximenes, Peres/Perez, Castellanos, Carillos,
> Velasco,
>

Hello Cindy, I have a few names, locations in common with you and I also
live in San Diego, and I hope we can share a few names. I am presently in
northern California and will be traveling to Chicago in a few days which I
will be visiting my daughter. I will not return to San Diego until about
the 3rd week in January. I do have lots of Jimenez in my family in Jamay,
etc., etc. You may contact me directly at esther@enhanced.org.

Hope to hear from you soon,

Esther Jordan, (Lopez/Mendoza)

Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia

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Saludos a todos,

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Published by sarod77 – Mon, 2015-10-05 08:32 | Permalink

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while your post were in 2011, would you know if the books are still available?

2. I checked volumes 1-3 from the public library interlibrary loan program and there is too much information to take in within the time frame the library gives to read (21 days).

I found the roots of my family the Franco-Quijas in Vol. 3 The Quixas married the Franco, Parades, Huertas, Morquechos etc.

I would also like to know if you have where we can request reproduction of this information. Thanks

Published by Cadenas (not verified) – Sun, 2011-10-23 20:45 | Permalink

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Hello,

in view of the high costs of obtaining this work - and the extensive time and effort it will take to research the several volumes - would anyone on the list be willing to split the cost with me? If you live in northern California (or Nevada), we could make arrangements to share both the cost and the books themselves. Please contact me if so.

Gracias,
Susan Cadena

-----Original Message-----
From: announce-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:announce-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of rickrod.com@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 6:19 PM
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia

Hello everyone,

Just to let you all know that Don Mariano Gonzalez Leal's new "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" publications are now available for sale at the Mariano Azuela book store in Guadalajara, located on Juarez street. As soon as I know the cost I will let you know if anyone is interested in obtaining them.

Regards,

Ricardo

Published by Rodriguez de Frias – Thu, 2011-10-20 17:45 | Permalink

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Les informo que la colección de los 10 libros la venden en $1000 pesos, y todavía hay bastantes disponibles. Para los que piensan en enviarlos por paquetería a Estados Unidos o Canadá, el peso total es de 11 Kg, en una caja de 25 x 25 x 25 cm aproximados, y el costo estimado del envío por paquetería UPS es de $2100 pesos. Esto es un costo aproximado de paquetería, el costo actual podría variar un poco.

To update, the total cost for the 10 book collection is $1000 pesos ($75 dollars), and there are still many available. For those who are thinking about having them shipped to the US or Canada, the total weight is 25 lbs, in a 10 x 10 x 10 inch box approximately, and the total shipping cost via UPS is about $2100 pesos ($155 dollars). This is only an estimated shipping cost, actual cost may vary a bit.

Saludos,

Ricardo

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Hello tocayo.
I would like to order 2 sets of the books. Let me know the exact total and the address to send payment. Do you accept paypal?
Rick AlvarezRomo Ricci
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ricardo Rodriguez"
Sender: announce-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 19:32:10
To:
Reply-To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]
Retoños de España en la Nu
eva Galicia

Les informo que la colección de los 10 libros la venden en $1000 pesos, y todavía hay bastantes disponibles. Para los que piensan en enviarlos por paquetería a Estados Unidos o Canadá, el peso total es de 11 Kg, en una caja de 25 x 25 x 25 cm aproximados, y el costo estimado del envío por paquetería UPS es de $2100 pesos. Esto es un costo aproximado de paquetería, el costo actual podría variar un poco.

To update, the total cost for the 10 book collection is $1000 pesos ($75 dollars), and there are still many available. For those who are thinking about having them shipped to the US or Canada, the total weight is 25 lbs, in a 10 x 10 x 10 inch box approximately, and the total shipping cost via UPS is about $2100 pesos ($155 dollars). This is only an estimated shipping cost, actual cost may vary a bit.

Saludos,

Ricardo

Published by Cadenas (not verified) – Thu, 2011-10-20 15:25 | Permalink

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I would like to know how to get a copy. Thank you.

Susan Cadena

-----Original Message-----
From: announce-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:announce-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of rickrod.com@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 6:19 PM
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia

Saludos a todos,

Les aviso que acaba de informar Don Mariano González Leal que ya están disponibles sus nuevas publicaciones de "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia", en la librería Mariano Azuela de la calle Juarez de Guadalajara. En cuanto sepa su costo les aviso por si hay alguna persona interesada en obtenerlas.

Saludos

Hello everyone,

Just to let you all know that Don Mariano Gonzalez Leal's new "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" publications are now available for sale at the Mariano Azuela book store in Guadalajara, located on Juarez street. As soon as I know the cost I will let you know if anyone is interested in obtaining them.

Regards,

Ricardo

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Sí! Llevo un par de años esperando este colleccion! Tengo muchas ganas de hacer mi pedido de los 10 libros!

Sofia

> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:43:59 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia
>
> Se me olvidó mencionar que son 7 tomos en total (10 libros), es la colección completa.
>
> I forgot to mention that there are a total of 7 volumes (10 books), it's the complete collection.
>

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Thu, 2011-10-20 15:25 | Permalink

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I would like two copies as soon as possible thanks
Rick A Ricci
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
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Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:19:25
To:
Reply-To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Retoños de España en la Nu
eva Galicia

Saludos a todos,

Les aviso que acaba de informar Don Mariano González Leal que ya están disponibles sus nuevas publicaciones de "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia", en la librería Mariano Azuela de la calle Juarez de Guadalajara. En cuanto sepa su costo les aviso por si hay alguna persona interesada en obtenerlas.

Saludos

Hello everyone,

Just to let you all know that Don Mariano Gonzalez Leal's new "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" publications are now available for sale at the Mariano Azuela book store in Guadalajara, located on Juarez street. As soon as I know the cost I will let you know if anyone is interested in obtaining them.

Regards,

Ricardo

Published by Jose Humberto Suarez – Wed, 2011-10-19 18:38 | Permalink

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A mi me interesa tener la colección completa, si alguien en Guadalajara puede comprarlos, yo puedo depositarle a esa persona y pagar obviamente el envío a Querétaro.

Gracias por avisar, saludos
José Humberto Suárez
************************************************
Ya conseguí quien me los compre. Espero me estén llegando a Querétaro el próximo martes.

Saludos

Nuevos datos sobre los Araiza y Medina y los Guzmán.

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Hola compañeros:

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Published by ssales1984 – Sun, 2015-10-04 15:09 | Permalink

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Estimados Miembros:

Encontré esta capellanía, fundada por Andrés de Quevedo que nos da más información sobre Juan de Araiza-Medina y Aguilar (No es el mismo que Juan de Araiza y Medina Gonzalez-Lozano casado con María del Castillo).

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18382-36450-54?cc=1874591&wc…

Dicho Br. (bachiller) Juan de Araiza-Medina Aguilar fue mencionado en el documento que nos proporcionó Enrique Agraz recientemente. No encuentro donde diga quien fue su padre, pero creo que debió ser hijo de Fernando de Araiza, a su vez hijo primogénito de Juan de Araiza Medina y Maria de Isla González Lozano. De ser así, este probablemente es su bautismo:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JMM4-9XY

Importantemente, nos da varias generaciones que no conocía. El hermano del fundador Andrés de Quevedo fue
1) Antonio Martínez de Quevedo casó con Mariana Telles de Herrera, tuvieron a:
2) ¿? de Aguilar cc. ¿? de Quevedo, tuvieron a:
3) Antonia de Aguilar y Quevedo, nieta de D. Antonio de Quevedo.
4) Juan de Araiza Medina y Aguilar, bisnieto de D. Antonio de Quevedo
Muy interesantemente, también nos da una imagen de la generación en Autlán ya anciana en 1694-1695. Muchos de los testigos son bien conocidos en Nuestros Ranchos. Doy la edad que indica el documento y sustrayo los años para arribar al año de nacimiento calculado.

Francisco de Velasco y Zúñiga (80 en 1694=1614)
Nicolás López Bueso (70 en 1694=1624)
Juan de Amezcua y Sabalza (72 en 1694=1622)
Alonso Sánchez Cabezuelas (45 en 1695=1650)
Alonso Álvarez de Castrejón (74 en 1695=1621)
Juan Tello de Grageda (51 en 1695=1644)

Este documento también nos da la fecha en la que Juan de Araiza y Medina y Aguilar fue nombrado el 28 Mar 1695 a la capellanía fundada por su tío-bisabuelo. Finalmente nos indica que falleció alrededor de 1722, según la imagen 307.

Saludos!

Sergio

Published by Salvador94 – Sat, 2015-09-19 15:41 | Permalink

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Disculpen, olvide anexar el link a dicho expediente de Orden Sacerdotal:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18380-18103-6?cc=1874591&wc=…

Se encuentra en el microfilm de Ordenes 1734-1741, empieza en la imagen 245.
La declaración de Cristóbal de Araiza se encuentra en la imagen 251.
La declaración de Manuel Sánchez Cabesuelas que aporta el dato de los Condes de Miravalle está en la imagen 255.

Enrique Agraz

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Hola Enrique,

Me acabas de hacer el hayazgo del año! He estado buscando evidencia en las fuentes originales sobre la nobleza de los Guzmán desde que empezé a trazar mi línea genealógica en el año 2000.

Por mi parte, creo tener otra pieza del rompecabezas, el matrimoninio de Diego Sánchez del Castillo con María Sánchez de Aldama. No aporta más datos que la fecha, pero nos da una pista en cuanto a las edades de D. Diego y Da. María
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18715-14786-42?cc=1874591&wc…

Tambien me parece muy interesante los cargos públicos que ostentaron nuestros ancestros en la Provincia de Ávalos. En la imagen 253 dice que:

1) Juan de Araiza Medina: Alcalde Mayor de “esta Provincia”, y “Sargento de la Compañía de la Plaza de Armas” de Tecolotlán. Me parece por el testimonio del segundo testigo que es posible que Juan de Araiza Medina haya sido Alcalde Mayor de Autlán.
2) Juan de Guzmán: Teniente en Tecolotlán
3) Christobal de Araiza Medina: “Alcalde Provincial” de la santa Hermandad

Por otro lado no sé mucho del Conde de Miravalle. Aunque parece ser que los primeros condes de Miravalle están ligados a la ciudad de Compostela en lo que hoy es Nayarit (http://www.periodicoexpress.com.mx/nota.php?id=291566), lugar de nacimiento de D. Juan de Guzmán y de su padre D. Miguel. Por lo mismo me puse a buscar en Compostela.

La fuente de D. Gabriel de Araiza Medina fue escrita en 1739. La primera pregunta que me surge es entonces a cual “Conde de Miravalles” se refiere? Por lo que he leído el condado fue creado en 1690, sólo 40 años antes de las Ordenes de D. Gabriel de Araiza.
Buscando pues entre las fuentes de Compostela, encontré la defunción de Da. María de Olivarri, quien creo es la madre del primer Conde de Miravalles. Lo increíblemente valioso, es que deja por escrito que tuvo “siete” hijos con su marido D. Pedro de Ávalos y Bracamonte (Dávalos):
Alonso
Francisca
Nicolas
Pedro
Leonor
Diego
Magdalena
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18095-15642-28?cc=1883377&wc…
Creo que D. Pedro de Ávalos y Bracamonte, padre del primer conde de Miravalle, es el mismo que nació en Guadalajara en 1615, pero necesito encontrar la fuente original:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N23Z-599

Ahora bien, Enrique, tu habías publicado la teoría de que Miguel de Guzmán fuera hijo de D. Álvaro Sánchez de Guzmán. Pues bien dicha teoría recibe una pequeña pista de validez pues la imagen con la defunción de Da. María de Olibarri también tiene la defunción de Juan Martínez de Lepe que menciona a D. Álvaro Sánchez de Guzmán como Alcalde Mayor de Compostela, lugar de nacimiento de D. Miguel de Guzmán! Me parece entonces que me gustaría perseguir dicha teoría y ver si es posible que una de las hijas de D. Pedro de Ávalos haya casado con D. Álvaro Sánchez de Guzmán.
Sigamos pues a la búsqueda!
Saludos cordiales,
Sergio

1618 Document Testamento of Herrederos of Haciendas of Sombrerete, Zacatecas, Mexico

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Found a document that is dated 1618 and talks about the herrederos of the Haciendas of Sombrerete, Zacatecas, Mexico.

The reference no. is: MEXICO,29,N.11

To enter in Pars website:

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