Nuestros Ranchos Site

The current standard spelling is epazote. You can see the location of El Epazote that Manny mentioned in the top left of the map at http://iieg.gob.mx/contenido/GeografiaMedioAmbiente/Colotlan_MBase2013…

There's a hacienda by that name in Colotlan

Saludos,

Manny Diez Hermosillo

Katy, thank you for posting this, a great way to recheck my records for missing people
Linda in Olympia

Hi Esperanza,
i'm looking forward to your updated information about Nicolas Llamas Leal and Magdalena Robles Merino. I descend from them thru their daughter Juana and Joseph Gonzalez. I've been unable to find any information about the latter couple, such as their marriage, ca ~1690.

Juana and Joseph's daughter Efigenia married my paternal Gonzalez ancestor (Alejo Gonzalez) in Tlaltenango 1722. In the marriage and marriage bann records, however, Alejo used "Covarrubias" as his last name for some reason.

How did you find out that Nicolas Llamas was from Guanajuato?
-Arturo

you will find many of the same surnames and families in the records of Jerez and Tepetongo too
but I don't know if you have used the Sagrada Mitra indexed on this site but it's a wonderful resource to since it gives you the names of the people in each record.
good luck in your search.
Linda Castanon-Long
Olympia, Wa.

Buenas Noches
le envio un cordial saludo a usted y a todos los miembros de este foro
una pregunta compañeros

alguien a tenido noticias sobre la publicación del libro de don Guillermo tovar de teresa donde menciona los documento en donde habla del linaje de Petronila de Moctezuma asi como su relación con el emperador Moctezuma ll?

yo soy descendiente de martin gabay navarro y de Petronila de Moctezuma y de esta pareja de su hija ana francisca gabay y lope ruiz de esparza por varias líneas de los hijos de esta ultima pareja.

espero y podremos encontrar el eslabón que nos faltan a muchos de nosotros para relacionar a Petronila de Moctezuma con el emperador Moctezuma ll
por su atención muchas gracias a todos
que tengan un excelente noche saludos
estamos en contacto.

Are you familiar with Familysearch.org with has many on-line digital images of baptism, marriage, and death records? If yes, under the Catholic Church records there are baptisms, marriages, and deaths all lumped together for the years 1921-1951. You may also want to double check the other listings for death records in case there is an entry error. I personally have found death records under marriages in other Jalisco records. Good luck.

Carlos,

So everyone can follow what you are talking about. It is the CONFIRMACION DE OFICIO: FRANCISCO HERMOSILLO MEXICO,177,N.58 1607-5-30 in Audencia de México under Archivo General de Indias found at http://pares.mcu.es/

I do see where at the top of image 5 where it states he is "Francisco Hermosillo vecino de esta ciudad ...hijo legitimo de Juan González Hermosillo y Ana Rodríguez su legitimo mujer mis padres difuntos y nieto de Gonzalo García Hermosillo y Leonor Sánchez Parra su mujer mis abuelos paternos; de Gonzalo Magdaleno y María Hernández su mujer mis abuelos maternos"

Then on the 8th line from the bottom it talks about his brother Juan and it says "Juan González Hermosillo vecino de esta ciudad de México hijo legitimo de Juan González Hermosillo y Ana Rodríguez su mujer vecinos de esta ciudad de México...padre natural de la villa de Guadalcanal en el reino de Castilla y la dicha mi madre de esta dicha ciudad"

On image 6 I see where you it mentions what looks like the bother in law.

Image 7 is extremely interesting. At the top it says "notorio y publico de fama Juan González Hermosillo----------------------------------
en la villa de Guadalcanal a diez de este mes de febrero de mil quinientos y ochenta y
cuarto años"

I had been trying to read the documents since your first post today.

This is a great find Carlos. Congratulations on your find. It would be best to keep posts to a minumum and summarize the findings once you are done.

Armando

Paige,

No, it isn't certain but additional proof would be needed, but there are no records whatsoever that I, or Manny, can find that show Diego Alonso del Pedroso ever used the Ramírez surname, as Manny had pointed out. In order to make that assumption we would need to find a document that does that. Unfortunately, most documents from Jalostotitlán from that period no longer exist. Supposedly they were lost in a fire. There is a book by Sergio Gutiérrez with the padrón from 1650 you can buy at Amazon that supposedly has Diego Alonso del Pedroso with his wife and six of seven of his children. Search for Jalostotitlán at Amazon to find it. Another record to search for is a Cofradía from 1627. Until then the Ramírez surname should be taken off of Diego Alonso del Pedroso because otherwise it is a presumption. Yes, descendants of Diego Alonso could've used Muñoz as descendants of María Muñoz but there are no indications whatsoever that he ever did so his descendants that did use it was because of Luisa Muñoz, therefore the only person we would attach Muñoz to are the people that have a mother with the surname Muñoz making it their maternal surname.

Yes, Diego Alonso González de Hermosillo and a Diego Ildefonso Ramírez de Hermosillo married to Luisa Muñoz are the same person. Alonso and Ildefonso are first names used interchangeably during that period.

Armando

I'm trying to determine what is the correct origin of the González de
Hermosillo. Elsewhere on the forum I've see this:

· Pedro Fernández de Hermosilla
· Alonso de Hermosilla casó a Catalina González hija de Tomás González
· Juan González de Hermosillo c Catalina Ramírez
· Juan González de Hermosillo c Isabel de Escobar hija del Conq. Juan de
Burgos
· Juan González de Hermosillo. Casó a María Muñoz Cabeza de Vaca hija de
Francisco Muñoz y de aquí nació la línea alteña.
Then it seemed as though Juan González de Hermosillo and Ana Rodríguez
Magdaleno were agreed upon as the parents of the Juan González de
Hermosillo that married María Muñoz. But lately, I've seen several websites
list Gonzalo García de Hermosillo as the origin of our González de
Hermosillo.

Since, my Diego Ildefonso Ramírez de Hermosillo uses Ramírez, it makes
sense that the line would travel through Catalina Ramírez and Juan González
de Hermosillo, but I don't know.

Is there anyone in the forum that has a theory?

Paige Herrera

Wow you're research is amazing! Welcome to Nuestros Ranchos and you are obviously a wonderful addition.
Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.

________________________________
From: Manny Diez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:17 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member Introduction and request for assistance on Gonzalez de Hermosillo

First of all, I want to thank all of you for all of the amazing work you've
done: when I began this project at the beginning of the summer, I saved my
maternal grandfather's ancestry for last, because I assumed it would be the
most difficult. We don't know much about our patriarch, J. Refugio G.
Hermosillo, before he crossed the border in 1926; he was 43 at the time,
and had already lived a lifetime. We had no contact with his family, his
parents and siblings dying long before we were born. All we knew was that
he was from a small town in Zacatecas called Montesa, and that, according
to him, he descended from one of the founding families. So, I wasn't
expecting to find much. But was I wrong! I started with his birth
certificate and the 3 generations named on it, and found the LDS website;
by the end of the first weekend, I had traced him all the way back to his
g2 grandparents, and only stopped, because the curas didn't list
grandparents before the late 18th Century (as you all know). But anyway, I
want to thank all of you, because I know SOMEONE had to index those
archives relative to Nueva Galicia, and I have a feeling it was YOU. MIL
GRACIAS A TODOS USTEDES, los nuevosrancheros y los somosprimoseros, for the
trailblazing work you've done and are doing, in regards to researching and
sharing the genealogy and history of Nueva Galicia and colonial Mexico in
general! (and for helping me make my 82 year-old mother and her 8 surviving
siblings very happy, learning about their colorful ancestors!)

A little background on my line: my grandfather, Jose Refugio Gonzalez, was
born in Montesa, Zacatecas, 4 Jul 1883, to Antonio Gonzalez and Susana
Sanchez. He was born with the Gonzalez surname, but some time while still
in Mexico, we figure around 1905, he changed it to "Hermosillo"; we never
knew why he changed it (we've often joked that he obviously didn't want
someone to find him…), nor why he chose "Hermosillo," but that's the name
he gave to his wife, Ana Olivas, of Juarez, as well as to their 11
children, born in California, and it's the name proudly worn by 5
generations of their descendants. "J. Refugio G. Hermosillo" was how he
always signed his name, and is the name on his death certificate and
tombstone.

That said, I started this endeavor not expecting to research the surname
"Hermosillo,"  since we assumed it had no history in the family prior to
1905 (and not even knowing the history of the surname in los Altos) - that
is, until I found the 1798 marriage record for grandfather's great
grandparents, Rafael Gonzalez & Maria Dolores de Avila, which clearly lists
the groom as:

"RAFAEL GONZALES DE HERMOSILLO, hijo legitimo de VICENTE GONZALES DE
HERMOSILLO y de JUANA DOROTHEA DIAZ DE LEON."

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5FZ-TSC

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15272-51812-83?cc=1804458&wc…

I was floored! I was thrilled! Alli esta mi segundo apellido! Y sera
alguien de categoria! Who was this GONZALEZ DE HERMOSILLO?? What did he
do?? How are we connected to him? What didn't abuelo tell us??

And that's where my journey really began. I googled the name and was led to
Nuestros Ranchos, amongst other websites, and I began reading through the
message boards. I learned about the conquistador, and his descendants
settling in los Altos, and about Gonzalez Leal's tomes, and the 117 spanish
families identified as the first-comers (and many whose surnames appear in
my tree), and how they intermarried throughout the Spanish Mandate (as I
witnessed, in my tree). And as I continue my research and get to know my
ancestors, I begin to feel a part of that history, that I am a product of
these adventurers, these hacendados, asistentas, capitanes, peones,
esclavos, and maybe even a Tlataoni… I was hooked! I need more! This is
better than a dusty old history book or any old video game!

So here I am, hoping to learn more about who it took to make me who I am,
and how they lived their lives, and hoping to share my findings with others
with the same intention, as well as with the same love for history. Muchos
somos parientes: les mando un fuerte abrazo.  Y perdoname por no escribir
en español, pero ya esta tarde y !hablo mucho!

My focus families are the following (I group them because these branches
tend to intermarry or are associated:

En Pinos & Ojuelos & Aguascalientes:

Gonzalez de Hermosillo,

Gil de Esparza

Diaz de Leon

De Avila

Carrillo Lisardi

Gonzalez Murguia

Duron

Alvarado

Martin de Sotomayor, Martin de Camacho, Lozano, de Ruedas y de Islas, and
associated lines

En Pinos & los Altos & Aguascalientes:

Gomez [de Sotomayor]

Tiscareño de Huerta (and the Tiscareño, Ruiz de Esparza and associated
lines)

Ruiz de Villaseñor

Sanchez de la Mejorada

Muñoz de ?

En Pinos & Aguascalientes:

Delgado (Diego & Isabel de Isla Martinez Lozano)

Delgado y Ocampo & Valensuela & Chevarria Merquelan

Gaitan & Arias de Bedolla (roots in SLP & GTO, including Cortes y Galvan)

Rodriguez de Herrera o de Jara

Other surnames I'm working on are Dominguez Samudio & Lopez del Castillo,
Candelas & Buenrostro, Bernal de la Serda, Lopez de los Reyes, Ortiz de
Anda.

And again, thank all of you, for laying down the groundwork, and making it
easier for us newbies, to find our way to our ancestors. .

Gracias y saludos,

Manuel Diez Hermosillo "Manny"

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

Introductions aside, I have my first request for assistance:

WHICH VICENTE GONZALES DE HERMOSILLO MARRIED JUANA DOROTHEA DIAZ DE LEON?

I have his name appearing in the documents of his children, grandchildren
and widow, but I have none of his vitals. And I've seen his name using
various combinations of "Jose Vicente Ferrer Gonzalez de Hermosillo"
(though not all at the same time). The problem is, there are numerous
"Vicente Gonzalez's" living during his possible time period and living in
the communities where he most likely lived (Pinos, Ojuelos y los Altos en
general, maybe Aguascalientes). I've been constructing the trees of each
and every one of them, to see which would correspond with mine, and I've
narrowed it down to three (for now). But I'm still stalled.

Here's what I have on my G4's Vicente Gonzalez and Juana Dorothea Diaz:

JOSE VICENTE FERRER GONZALEZ DE HERMOSILLO

b. 1734-1744. He married JUANA DOROTHEA DIAZ DE LEON, daughter of Andres
Diaz Duron and Maria Estephania Carrillo Diaz, some time between 1760-1764,
either in Pinos, Zacatecas, or in Ojuelos, Jalisco. She was born 4 June
1744 in Pinos, Zacatecas.

Their children were:

  1. Ma. Josepha Ignasia Pheliciana Gonzalez de Hermosillo,  b. 19 Nov
  1764, Ojuelos, Jalisco.
  2. Jose Vicente Gonzalez de Hermosillo, b. 11 Jun 1766, Pinos, Zacatecas
  3. Julian Antonio Rafael Gonzalez Diaz, b. 16 Apr 1768, Ojuelos, Jalisco.
  4. Maria Guadalupe de Santiago Gonzalez Diaz, b. 16 Jan 1771, Ojuelos,
  Jalisco.
  5. Antonio Rafael Gonzalez de Hermosillo, b. 3 Mar 1773, Ojuelos,
  Jalisco.
  6. Jose Romano Gonzalez Diaz, b. 12 Aug 1777, Montesa, Pinos, Zacatecas
  7. Maria Josefa Ignasia Gonzalez Diaz, b. 29 Mar 1779, Montesa, Pinos,
  Zacatecas.

They zigzag through those two communities, which is unusual in my lines.
The distance isn't great, but it wasn't like they could hop in the chevy
and drive to abuela's house, right? What did he do, that kept him (or her)
moving between ranchos?

Since their first child Maria Josefa Ignacia Phelicana was born on the
Buenavista in Ojuelos, in Nov 1764, I thought that might be a good starting
point for his birthplace and marriage. But again, it can be anywhere.

Juana Dorothea Diaz, widowed, would marry a second time to Francisco Xavier
Alonso, on 30 Nov 1781, in Montesa, Pinos, Zacatecas. So Vicente Gonzalez
died some time between 1779-1781, and probably in Montesa, Pinos. Juana
Dorothea was born in 1744, Vicente could've been born around the same time,
and just died tragically young. But, what if he was older, and had been
married before, and with children?

That is where I am. If anyone can lead me in the right direction, it would
be greatly appreciated, and I hope to pay it forward!

PS - On the partida for Rafael & Maria Dolores, note the padrinos: Jose
Trinidad Gil Esparza and Maria Ygnacia Gonzalez - Rafael's younger sister
and her fiance, who would marry two months later, their partida on the
opposite page: the couples took turns being each other's padrinos! Also,
Jose Trinidad was the brother of another g3 grandfather, Alexo Gil de
Esparza. I'm stuck on that line, as well: Gil's and Ruiz de Esparza's, from
Aguascalientes?

Welcome Primo...and BRAVO for the best intro I've seen here.

Interesting, just before I opened up this topic I was looking at these record images 208 to 220,

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18698-47642-70?cc=1874591&wc…

My Great Grandfathers great great grandfather, Francisco Del Castillo's daughter Maria Francisca del Castillo Bonal, married into the Romo de Vivar line from San Juan de Los Lagos. Image 218 details the surname Romo de Vivar.

Still researching their offspring but I know that Francisca del Castillo and Ramon Romo married in Zacoalco de Torres, Jalisco, Mex. Going to research this line to see if there is any relation.
Zacoalco de Torres is named after the insurgent "El Amo Torres".

Simona

I've indexed/extracted many of the matrimonial investigations from Aguascalientes (everything up to about 1730; I am currently working on 1730-40) and posted them here at NR. Go to Files, Reference materials, then Aguascalientes matrimonial investigations.

These are pdf files that are searchable. You can down-load these files if you wish.

The early records are incomplete, and not in chronological order. Unfortunately, I did not find any records for Nicolas Contreras.

At some point Family Search re-posted the matrimonial investigation films, and thus the image numbers do not match the way the films are currently posted, so my index has become somewhat difficult to use.

George Fulton

It's at the top right on my screen.

That particular Juan Pérez Gallo and his wife Doña Ángela de Orozco are my 12th great grandparents. I'm familiar with his children and their children, but I don't have any further information on him or who his parents are. His wife Doña Ángela de Orozco y Velasco is the natural born daughter of Francisco de Orozco(the son of Gerónimo de Orozco and Ángela de Velasco) and Catalina de Arriola. There's a couple of dispensas that mention the Pérez Gallo in Montejano Hilton's Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara.' But, neither show anything further for the Pérez Gallo line or for Juan Pérez Gallo. You can view the two dispensas that mention Pérez Gallo below. The first one is a Dispensa de cuarto grado de afinidad por cópula lícita and mentions the widow of Francisco de Tejeda Villaseñor, Doña María Pérez Gallo, (daughter of Juan Pérez Gallo and Doña Ángela de Orozco y Velasco). The other mentions Onofre Joseph Pérez Gallo, (grandson of Juan Pérez Gallo and Doña Ángela de Orozco y Velasco and the nephew of the Doña María Pérez Gallo) named in the first dispensa.

Christopher de Cuéllar

Teocaltiche. Jal. Enero 2 de 1717. Exp 28 - Dispensa de cuarto grado de
afinidad por cópula lícita.- Francisco de Tejeda Villaseñor. español, vecino de
este pueblo, viudo de Doña María Pérez Gallo; con Doña María Morán de Ledesma.
hija legítima de Antonio Morán de Ledesma y de Doña Antonia Ramírez de Rueda.
españoles y vecinos de esta feligresía. Declaración de Alvaro Carrillo, español
de 62 años de edad: Porque Antonio de Ibarra y Catharina de Ibarra, fueron
hermanos, y Antonio de Ibarra fué bisabuelo de Doña María Morán de Ledesma, que
conoció a María de Ibarra, abuela de la dicha y que conoce a Antonio Morán de
Ledesma, padre de la dicha María Morán de Ledesma, y conoció a Catharina de
Arriola, abuela que fué de María Pérez Gallo, e hija que fué de la dicha
Catharina de Ibarra, y que conoció a Angela de Orozco, hija de Catharina de
Arriola y madre que fué de María Pérez Gallo, mujer que fué de Francisco de
Tejeda. Se otorgó la dispensa en la Ciudad de Guadalajara. en 4 de enero de
1717. 10 fojas.

Jalostotitlán. Jal. Abril 5 de 1749. Exp. 92 - Dispensa de cuarto grado puro de
afinidad por cópula lícita.- Onofre Joseph Pérez Gallo, español de 37 años de
edad, originario de la feligresía de San Pedro Teocaltiche. y vecino de ésta de
Xalostotitlan el tiempo ha de veinte años, viudo de Doña Anna Fernández de
Rueda; con Doña María Luisa González de Hermosillo. española de 26 años de edad.
originaria y vecina de esta feligresía, hija legítima de Don Gerónimo González y
de Doña Matiana de Lomelín. Declaración de Lázaro Gutiérrez de Hermosillo.
español de 59 años de edad: Don Gerónimo González, padre de la pretensa, y Doña
Leonor Gómez, suegra del pretenso, son primos segundos tercer grado Se otorgó
la dispensa en la Ciudad de Guadalajara. en 10 de abril de 1749. 8 fojas.

There should have been a dispensa for this couple. Vicente Romo de Vivar, father of the groom, was the son of Joseph Romo de Vivar who was the son of María de Villalobos who was the daughter of Salvador de Villalobos Macías Valadez and Francisca Martín del Campo y López de la Cruz who were also the parents of Francisca Villalobos who had Juan Tiscareño the father of Maria Dolores Tiscareño.

If anyone finds the dispensa please let me know.

Hola Felipe,

Creo haber notado algunos errores en tus Apuntes para la Genealogía de la Familia Romo de Vivar en Aguascalientes. Te envío el Pedigree de Joseph Andrés Romo de Vivar, casado con María Margarita Martínez de Sotomayor, para que verifiques. Avísame si necesitas alguna información adicional.

Saludos,
Guillermo Figueroa Strecker

Hola Felipe:

Un comentario sobre tus apuntes para la genealogia de la familia Romo de
Vivar de Aguascalientes, por favor no lo tomes a mal.

Te parece buena idea incluir las fuentes de información de cada individuo?
Aunque casi estoy seguro que usaste datos de la Iglesia LDS...
Se faciliataría mas la verificación de tus apuntes si incluyes tus fuentes.

Por ahí leí que "Genealogia sin documentación es Mitología"

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net

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----- Original Message -----
From: "felipe reyes"
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 4:43 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apuntes para la Genealogía de la Familia Romo de
Vivar en Aguascalientes

Apuntes para la Genealogía de la Familia Romo de Vivar en Aguascalientes

1600 (Circa) Diego Romo casó con Catharina de Pérez en la Parroquia de
Rielves, Toledo, España

1624 (Circa) Diego Romo de Vivar y Pérez casó con María Rangel Peguero. Sus
hijos fueron: Joseph; Maria; Juan casó con María de Tiscareño; Isabel;
Antonia; Pedro casó con Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza; Jerónimo casó con
Margarita de Tiscareño; Antonio, Francisco, que casó con Lorenza Ruiz de
Esparza; Diego Romo de Vivar Rangel

1633 Diego Romo de Vivar casó con Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza. Sus hijos fueron:
Nicolás, Luis, Beatriz, Juan, Baltasar, José y Sebastián

1677 Nicolás Romo de Vivar casó con María Martínez de Villalobos que era
hija de Nicolás de Villalobos y Theresa Carrillo. Sus hijos fueron: Joseph
Andrés, Alexo, Pedro, Petra, Brígida y Nicolás

1734 Joseph Andrés Romo de Vivar y Martínez de Villalobos casó con María
Margarita Martínez de Sotomayor, que era hija de Lucas Martínez de Sotomayor
y Theresa Esparza Flores. Sus hijos fueron: Francisca y Vicente

1755 (Circa) Vicente Romo de Vivar y Martínez casó con Maria Josefa
Pedrajo: sus hijos fueron: Joseph Manuel,

1792 Joseph Manuel Romo de Vivar Pedrajo casó con Dolores Tiscareño. Sus
hijos fueron: José-María-Atanasio-Ramón, José-Ramón-Francisco de Paula,
José- Luis-de la Trinidad, José-Luciano-Ramón, José María-Hipólito

1821 Francisco Ignacio Romo de Vivar y Tiscareño casó con Josefa Casilda
Lozano: sus hijos fueron: Jacinto,

1849 Jacinto Romo de Vivar Lozano casó con su prima hermana Josefa Lozano.
Sus hijos fueron: Manuela, María Petra, José Conrado, Jesús Bonifacio, María
,Francisco Cirilo, Joaquin.

1869 Jesús Bonifacio Romo de Vivar casó con Micaela Romo de Vivar. Sus Hijos
fueron: Francisca, Jacinto, José María, Ignacio, Agustín, José Refugio,
Alejandro, Josefa, Matilde, Dolores y María.

1900 Alejandro Romo de Vivar y Romo de Vivar casó con María teresa González
López de Nava. Sus hijos fueron; Javier, Alejandro, José, Enrique, Samuel,
Miguel, Ester, Teresa, Manuel y Cleotilde

1918 Miguel Romo González casó con Felipa Espino Tiscareño, hija de José H.
Espino y Carmen Tiscareño Escárcega. Sus hijos son: Alicia, Delia, Noemí,
Miguel y Raquel.

1939 Alicia Romo Espino casó con José Antonio reyes González: Sus hijos son:
Blanca Alicia, Clara Adelina, Gloria Helena, Juan Antonio, Felipe,
Elizabeth, Miguel Ezequiel, Norma Adriana y Ana Gabriela.

Felipe Reyes Romo. Actualización al 4 de Febrero de 2007

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Sergio, ¿haz logrado obtener mayor información? ¿tienes datos de quienes son los padres de María Antonia de Zambrano y María Antonia Martínez? Tengo entendido que una hija de Sebastián de Guzmán, Antonia Manuela Guzmán, casó el 11 de mayo de 1783 en Tuxcacuesco, Jalisco, con Juan Rafael Villa y Alcaraz. De esa línea desciendo yo. Saludos.

Yaomautzin Olvera

Moises Sánchez López, Mis investigaciones han llegado hasta Juan de Araiza quien por cierto murió en 1665,desde luego que estoy dispuesto a compartir toda la información disponible, pues, aprovecho para opinar que ésta no es de ninguna manera patrimonio de nadie en especial y menos para ser guardada en algún baúl, sería éste un pensamiento muy pobre por no decir otra cosa!En mi persona llevo los genes de Araiza y pienso que eso no me hace ni menos ni más que nadie ya que de ningun modo soy responsable de eso, pero si lo soy de darlo a conocer para asi llegar al conocimiento de la Historia y sus satisfacciones.

I'm wondering if it would be quicker to write a letter to the parish priest at Asuncion de Maria to inquire about the libro reservado. You can easily find the addesss on Google.

I'm wondering if it would be quicker to write a letter to the parish priest at Asuncion de Maria to inquire about the libro reservado. You can easily find the addesss on Google.

Can you give me some reference to the Santiago. This is what i have so far,http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23069-
itzcoatzin@gmail.com
Phone 5622483339 I am in California USA.

En 1800, la Hacienda de la Encarnación tenía 33 sitios de Ganado Mayor, uno de Menor y dos Caballerías. Linda esta Hacienda con la Hacienda de Palomas y de Tayahua, la primera de Don José de la Borda y la segunda de Don Ventura de Arteaga, tiene al poniente la Hacienda del Salto de los herederos de Don Juan Martínez, la Hacienda del Huacasco de la Obra Pía de la Quemada y con los naturales de Colotlán, al sur, con la Hacienda de Santiago de la Laguna y con la de Juana Catic de Ordóñez del Bachiller José Barragán y socios y por el norte con el sitio de Ciénega de Morones que fue de Don José Ibarrola del ojo negro de los herederos de Juan de Zúñiga Fajardo y de los fuertes. Beltrán y Juan Tarasco, que se dicen de Doña María Prudencia del Río.

E

Austin, thank you. I spent all night looking for it and was about to give
up.

Danny C. Alonso

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Does anyone in the Forum know where the baptism of Isabel Ramirez is? She's
the daughter of Capt. Luis Lopez Ramirez and Catalina Rubio. It's in Family
Search that she was baptized on July 2nd 1628. But it doesn't look like
it's there. Has anyone found it yet? It should be around this page:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18576-10996-15?cc=1874591&wc…

But it doesn't look like it's there.

Name Ysabel Lopez Rubio
Gender Female
Christening Date 02 Jul 1628
Christening Place SANTA MARIA DE LOS
LAGOS,LAGOS DE MORENO,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Luis Lopez
Mother's Name Catalina Rubio

Danny C. Alonso

Here's a clue, Juan Alonso de los Hinojos and Isabel Ramirez had a
son named Juan Alonso de los Hinojos baptized 25 Jul 1664 in Aguascalientes.
Prior to this Juan there was another, probably died young, only this Juan
is specifically baptized as Juan Ramirez baptized 17 May 1655 in Aguascalientes.
They gave this Juan Ramirez although his father was also Juan maybe this is
a clue. Have you tried informacion matrimonial?
Daniel