I have a 1648 Census of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico which is 20 leguas from Fresnillo, Zacatecas.

As well as a census of Rancho Carboneras, which is 5 leguas from Fresnillo. Zacatecas, Mexico.

Attached is the census. Can someone help me on my ancestors "Joan Angon" who is listed first on the list of the Valparaiso Census in regards to why is he listed as first on the list and did he own a ranch right there?

His son Esteban Angon is listed first on the Rancho Carboneras ranch that is 15 leguas away from Valparaiso.

Ok...so here in familysearch file of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico is a 1632 - 1700 Cofradia archive. I already read it and it is like a diary of Joan Angon's ranch starting in 1632 where there is a Cofradia called, "La Purisma de La Limpia Concepcion." Midway through the archive is then shows Esteban Angon owning a Estancia "Rio Chico." Today Rico Chico is at the spot where Rancho Carboneras would had been in 1648.

My question is about Joan Angon? Did he own a rancho at Valparaiso or did he "own" Valparaiso in 1648? Today at the plaza of Valparaiso there is a church called "La Purisma De La Concepcion." I wonder if that was the Cofradia that was a Joan Angon's rancho as mentioned in the 1632 - 1700 archive? Can someone help me about ownership in 1648 at Valparaiso?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FSS1-7G?wc=3JHM-C66%3A…

Note: One Legua = one hours walk by foot. By car today that would be 8 - 10 minutes.

Happy early New Year! primos from Jalisco Posting this in case members have clues on some deadends in my Jalisco genealogy. This is my dad's side of the house. He passed away this past summer but I had his DNA completed. Y DNA: IP37 and surname: Gutierrez.

The earliest documented ancestor I found on his dad's paternal side is Victor Gutierrez (1810-?) married to Vicenta Vasquez (1820-?) both from Comanjo Jalisco. Their child, Modesto Gutierrez (1845-1897) was then born in Cieneguilla, Aguascalientes and eventually married Zenona Gutierrez (1850-?) from San Marcos Guerrero I believe). Their child was Juan Gutierrez (1876-1930) who later married Maria Cipriana Tabarez (1880-1930) both from Aguascalientes and their son was my dad's paternal GF, Felipe Gutierrez (1899-1965), also born in Aguascalientes.

What is interesting is that my dad's Y DNA is not common in the surname Gutierrez. I could not test his brothers' DNA or any other male relatives as they had all passed away but I tested his sister (my aunt) and they are brother and sister so they had the same parents. Common surnames with this Y DNA is Flores or Valdez de Flores. It is not impossible to have other names but some thoughts could be a relative changed their name. I realize this is a big mystery so I am putting it out there in case any of this sounds remotely familiar.

On a side note, Zenona Gutierrez' family all originate from Jalisco. Although not related to the YDNA side, if anyone has any relatives you can share - her parents were Josef V Gutierrez and Urbana Diaz (circa 1800). It appears Josef's parents were Vizente Gutierrez (1766) and Maria Josefa Aguilera (1778).

Thanks for any help!

Does anyone know if church records were recorded in government books? Is there an archive to look at those?

Example is a picture of one a historian sent me. I am trying to help him out.

I’m trying to find out if Alferez Real Francisco Suárez y de Ibarra’s and Isabel Pimentel’s son, Miguel, born in 1631, married in 1656 to a woman named Agustina de Zúñiga y Mendoza.
Here is the baptism certificate of Miguel, Francisco Suárez de Ibarra’s son, and the marriage certificate of Miguel and Agustina, which does not mention the name of the parents. I would like to know if they are the same person. Does anybody have any reference or source? Thank you

Hello,

I was able to locate the attached wedding certificate for my great-grandparents, though it's in Spanish and need help with the translation. Also, I'm searching for their parents, is this sort of information listed on the document and if so, what does it say?

Many thanks! Karen

Hello everyone!

I need some help reading where the bride and groom are from (Manuel Flores)

Thank you in advance!!

familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-GRWZ-86?i=238&wc=3J62-FM9%3A173569901%2C173569902%2C175379901%3Fcc%3D1874591&cc=1874591

Hello!

Have you ever heard of a rancho or pueblo called Mineral del Favor? could be in Jalisco or Michoacan,

I am tracing Alejo Espinoza's first wife Antonia Barragan (the marriage record attached indicates she was burried there)

Thank you in advance

The actual original pages are not in the book Historia de nuestra señora de San Juan de los Lagos, and according to other posts in this forum the padron is not on family search, however the author transcribed it for his book.

The book is online for free since it was published more than 100 years ago and it's public domain now.

I'm sure you had this already, I'm just pointing out the connection between Josepha Perez M. and Angela, who I believe to have been sisters

Adios for now:)

Hi Everyone

So I haven't been able to get the book Ameca, protofundación Mexicana, as I live in Canada, but I was able to find a snippet view of Angela Perez Maldonado, Amaya Topete says that she was the sister of the priest Juan Perez Maldonado (attached)

Rick, commented here that there was a couple of dispensations mentioning her, one where she is the daughter of Diego Perez Maldonado, and the other says she is his grand child, however I have been unable to locate them so far.

Does anyone have any links to her ancestry? I saw her family tree on family search but a lot of the names don't have any source documents and I would like to know more about that family.

Any other books you would recommend, or sources for info are much, much appreciated.

Gracias de nuevo :)

Como muchoas ya han de saber, todos los libros de las Tierras y Aguas sobre las propiedadades están disponibles digitalmente para poderlos consultar/As you might already know, all the books from Tierras y aguas, 1584-1866, are available to explore on

https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/278176?availability=Family%…

Me parece increible porque yo siempre he querido saber sobre las primeras personas que eran dueñas de todas esas tierras en Calvillo, Aguascalientes.Encontré muchos registros donde mencionan al valle de huejucar o mencionan tierras que probablemte se encontraban allí. El Valle de huejucar que ahora se conmoce como Calvillo, fue parte de la juridiccion de Juchip[ila por mas de dos siglos.
Which is amazing because I always wanted to find out who were the landowners in Calvillo, Aguascalientes back then known as Valle de Huejucar/Huejucar. Calvillo belonged to the Juchipila back then. I found various records that mention land within that area of Calvillo, but I've found it incredibly hard to read because there are new abbreviations, the terminology is different compared to the church records and also the writing is hard to understand.

1. Diego Flores en Juchipila. Se menciona a Valle de Huejucar

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-6SC7-R?i=244&cat=…

2. Lazaro Calvillo. Se menciona que sus tierras son desde Ojocalientillo a la sierra de Teocaltiche. Lo que me hace pensar que se trate de un lugar actual de Calvillo que se llama arroyo de Ojocalientillo y la sierra de Teocaltiche ahora se llama Sierra de Laurel./ It mentions Ojocalientillo and the Sierra of Teocaltiche. I suppose that Ojocalientillo is now the place known in Calvillo as Arroyo de ojocalientillo, and The Sierra de Teocaltiche is the Sierra of Laurel?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-6SHB-K?i=286&cat=…

Aquí también se menciona a un tal José Calvillo como testigo, pariente to Lázaro Calvillo, se tratará del dueño de la hacienda se San Cristobal y de la persona que en el futuro donaría la mayoría de los terrenos para la fundación de la villa de San José de Huajucar actual Calvillo?/ There is a Jose Calvillo, related to Lázaro Calvillo, as a witness. Could he be the owner of Hacienda of San Cristobal and the landowner who later donated the land where the Village of San Jose of Huejucar, now Calvillo, was founded?

3.Don Mathias López de Carrasquilla. Juchipila y Aguascalientes. Según José Antonio Gutierrez G., en su libro "Historía De La Iglesia Católica En Aguascalientes Volumen II" nombra a Mathias López como uno de los que pasaron a ser propietarios de tierras que se les habian otorgado originalmente en 1550 a Alonzo Velasco, Diego Flores, su suegro y a Diego de los Rios. Según Antonio Gutierrez G., esas tierras que les fuerom otorgadas formarian la hacienda de Gaztambinde, o Vaquerías. / According to José Antonio Gutiérrez on his book "Historía De La Iglesia Católica En Aguascalientes Volumen II/ The History Of The Catholic Church in Aguascalientes Volume II", Mathias Lopez de Carrasquilla acquired land that was originally owned by the first european setlers Alonzo Velasco, Diego Flores, su suegro y a Diego de los Rios, which later gave rise to the Hacienda de Gaztambide, or Vaquerias in Calvillo.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-XNBV?i=360&cat=27…
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-D178?i=259&cat=27…

3. Andrés Muñoz de Hermosillo. Aguascalientes, Valle de Huajucar.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-XSHK-9?i=124&cat=…

Si alguien me puede ayudar a leer esos documentos se lo agradecería mucho, o darme tips para aprender a leerlos.

También incluyo una captura de el indice de los libros de Tierra y Agua, donde dice que hay un libro con registros de 1865, pero no lo he podido encontrar en ningún lado. Se habrá perdido y no le tomarom film? I attached a screen capture where it shows that there's supposed to be a Book number @ with all the records from 1584, but I couldn't find them.

Otra cosa es que hay más de 100 "Legajos" además de todos los libros, alguien sabe que información es esa y si hay indices? There are about a hundres books called "Legajos" I have no idea if there is an index for them too.

Gracias y espero y me puedan ayudar.