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Luis Arturo Huerta Rodrìguez

Hi!

With the shame, I travel to nochistlán about 10 times by year, and don't know if there is a good library. There is the "biblioteca municipal" at "la presidencia", but the books are for consulting, not for sale. And I remember have seen a magazine store in "el mercado", that was 2 or 3 years ago.

The only one book I have read about Nochistlán's history is "Nochistlán de Zacatecas" of Clotilde Evelia Quirarte an exemplar mochistlense woman and a very good book.

I get this book at "el parian" in a wedding shop almost at the corner southwest of this place.

I am half nochistlense, but I am misinformed. I hope you can find better help.

Don't forget to taste a good "plato de birria" some "gorditas con papas, sopes, pozole" and an icecream sitting at "el jardín". There are "carnitas" and "pollos asados" but don't know how nochistlenses are they.

P.D. Almost forgot "las micheladas"

P.D.2 I think the church you said is "el templo de San José"

Abram,

There is a wonderful bookstore in Nochistlan but unfortunately I can't remember the name but all she has to do is ask anyone in town and they will direct her to the book store. They don't have lending libraries but they do have a bookstore.

Alicia

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From: "aflore2855@gmail.com"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 9:18 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trip to Nochistlan

Hi fellow members,

My mom is going on a trip to her hometown Nochistlan.And i was wondering if anyone knows the type of books there are in the library behind some church i completely forgot the name of the church.Or is there any other library in Nochistlan where I can get books like on the history or ancient families of Nochistlan?I would appreciate it alot if some one replied.

Hi Pauline,

Cirilo is my great grandfather. I send you a link to my tree, I think it will help.

http://momax.tribalpages.com

Saludos,
Victor Lopez

Using the New.familysearch.org I gathered this information (be careful it is
subject to error):

Jose Telesforo Miramontes Sandobal (1800-)

Marriage: 11 February 1818
Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman,Zacatecas,Mexico Edit
Add a marriage event

Anna De Haro (1809-)

Children:

Maria Francisca Del Refuguio Miramontes Aro (1819-)

Maria Daria De La Trinidad Miramontes Aro (1826-)

Refugio Miramontes De Aro (1834-)

Antonio Miramontes (-)

If the above is correct then it also lists parents and grandparents of
Telesforo and Anna

Joseph

Ps: I'm pretty sure the general public can still sign up but I may be wrong.
Try setting up a new account to use the New Family Search here:
https://new.familysearch.org/en/action/unsec/welcome

Pps: if in your research you find that your Miramontes connect to the Rancho
- Cuculiten or Coculiten, Zacatecas - let me know as we might be cousins.

=========================

Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com

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> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
> pavendano@abilityfirst.org
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 1:20 AM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Magallanes, Miramontes & Alvarez in
> Tlaltenango & Momax
>
> Hello,
>
> Does anyone have my GG grandparents in their research? I would like to
> exchange information.
>
> Jose Efren Cirilo Alvarez (Serrano)
> Baptised- Jul 12 1857- Santo Tomas, Momax
> Parents: Francisco Herrera Alvarez & Maria Rafaela Cornejo Serrano
> Pedigree File:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SBP5-ZXX
>
> Ma. Felicitas Magallanes Miramontes
> Baptised-Jul 19 1857-Santo Tomas- Momax
> Parents: Antonio Magallanes Mota & Refugio Miramontes Paternal
> grandparents: Sebero/Severino Magallanes & Nicolasa Mota Maternal
> grandparents: Telesforo Miramontes & Maria Ana (Anita) de Aro (haro?)
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>
> Thanks,
> Pauline

Hello Edward Luna and Nuestro Ranchos members. 

Don't know if any of you have heard about the movie “For Greater Glory” due to be released in theaters June 1, 2012

"For Greater Glory– formerly called “Cristiada” – charts the history
of Mexico’s Cristero War that was sparked by anti-clerical legislation
being passed by the Mexican President Elías Calles in 1926. Those laws
banned religious orders, deprived the Church of property rights and
denied priests civil liberties, including the right to trial by jury and the right to vote.
 
The persecution became so fierce that some
Catholics began to forcibly resist, fighting under the slogan and banner
of “Cristo Rey” (Christ the King).

Read more: http://www.ewtnnews.com/catholic-news/US.php?id=5117#ixzz1uIytv2jA

Regards,
Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes

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To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Guerra Cristera y de la Revolucion Mexicana

Saludos a todos
Mi nombre es Edward Luna
Estoy buscando un buen libro de la Guerra Cristera y de la Revolucion Mexicana
en espanol e ingles.
Por favor si alguien sabe de estos libros, nombre y donde los puedo conseguir. Estoy en California,usa.

I am looking for a good book about the Cristeros War and Mexican Revulucion.

Gracias

Edward,

Through Amazon you can get it in a day or two. Check out this link.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-key…

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

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Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Guerra Cristera y de la Revolucion Mexicana

Saludos a todos
Mi nombre es Edward Luna
Estoy buscando un buen libro de la Guerra Cristera y de la Revolucion Mexicana
en espanol e ingles.
Por favor si alguien sabe de estos libros, nombre y donde los puedo conseguir. Estoy en California,usa.

I am looking for a good book about the Cristeros War and Mexican Revulucion.

Gracias

Hi,

Here's a link to a webpage, where you'll probably find(pin-point) most little towns (ranchitos y pequenas localidades) of Zacatecas & other States of Mexico. This is where I've been pin-pointing most of the little "Ranchitos" where some of my ancestors were borned. Hope it helps.

http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/zacatecas/

Roberto Hdez

Estimada Verónica,

Si mal no recuerdo, todos los Arias Maldonado de esa zona son parientes. Creo que tengo a lo menos unas 3 lines de los Arias Maldonado de Jalisco y una de Guanajuato. Queria saber si los Arias Maldonado de la Nueva Galicia y los del Obispado de Michoacan son los mismos. He visto algunos en el siglo XVII con el apellido Arias de Guzman y Maldonado o Arias Maldonado y Guzman o Manrique de Guzman, mas de no sé si los orígenes de esta familia.

Saludos,
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
São Paulo, Brasil

Denise Fastrup

Regarding Petronila Moctezuma,I have seen 1550 suggested as a year of birth. Where does this come from?

Elsewhere on the internet I have seen reference to a letter from Diego Sotelo (husband of Leonor Valderrama Moctezuma) to the king of Spain, regarding the inheritance of his children from their mother, in which he names Fernando, Cristofer, and Petronila. Anyone have any leads on this letter???
This is where I saw the information (genealogia de mexico, from jan 2006):

http://groups.google.com/group/genealogia-mexico/browse_thread/thread/7…

Donald Chipman, author of Moctezuma's Children, listes Fernando, Cristofer, and Ana, who became a nun (therefore I dont think she also went by the name Petronila.) Chipman also relates that Leonor's encomienda - at least the share that went to her children - was to be divided three ways, not four. So, I am a little confused.

So, any primary sources regading the parentage of Petronila??? or regarding her birthyear?

Regards,
Denise

Hola a todos:

Aúnque han puesto la transcripción parcial de la dispensa de Bartolomé
Rodríguez Baxo y Tomasa Rosa de Ulloa que se encuentra en "Genealogia de
Nochistlan Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia" he hecho una transcripción
incompleta de las primeras siete páginas. Las ultimas dos contienen la
declaración de Mateo González de Rubalcava. Esta bien si alguien quiere
editar lo que no pude transcribir y terminar lo que faltó. Se encuentra la
transcripción en http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/20566

Hello everyone,

Even though a partial extraction had been posted from "Genealogia de
Nochistlan Antiguio Reino de la Nueva Galicia ..." for the dispensa of
Bartolomé Rodríguez Baxo y Tomasa Rosa de Ulloa I have done an incomplete
one of my own of the first seven pages. If anyone wants to edit what I have
and finish what's missing that would great. The transcription is at
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/20566

Saludos
Armando

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 4:01 PM, wrote:

> Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias in his book "Genealogia de
> Nochistlan Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia ..." provided an extract of
> the dispensation for Bartholome Rodrigues Baxo and his second wife, Rosa de
> Ulloa, in 1703.
> This document is important because it mentions Petronila de Moctezuma and
> Martin Navarro. Both of Bartholome's wives descend from this couple, the
> details of which are in the dispensation.
>
> Now, thanks to the work of Claudia Reynoso, Enrique Agraz, and
> (especially) Jaime Alvarado we now have direct access to it!
> The dispenation is in the Diocese of Guadalajara Matrimonios 1700/1705,
> and begins at image 316.
>
> Thank you very much!!
>
> George Fulton
> Pleasanton, CA

Thank you Claudia, Enrique & Jaime for your dedication in helping the families of Nuestros Ranchos! The connection to our ancestors, Martin Navarro and Petronilla de Moctezume, in this dispensation makes it such a treasure to so very many researchers. However, I find some of this document difficult to understand. I know this is a lot to ask (since there are several pages), but would anyone be willing to translate it into English?

With great appreciation for this group!
Judith Marentes
Plano, Texas

Igualmente me uno al agradecimiento.
Aqui el enlace a la pagina donde se menciona dicha pareja

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-19648-67?cc=1874591&wc…

Miguel Beltran

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Both the Church and civil records for Arandas, Jalisco are online at Family Search.

This link will take you to the records for Mexico

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&region=MEXICO

From this point you can select either the Church or civil records, then the type of record and year of interest.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Hi Elysia!

About Guadalajara!

The places they told you are great, if you can stay at "El centro histórico" you can walk all of it.

It has a few of streets for tourism and walking called "La palza tapatía" between catedral and "El instituto cultural Cabañas", there is too "El mercado de San Juan De Dios" with lots of food and "artesanías" there are not problems by the day. By the night are some streets litle insecure, but you will know it before you in in they. Is not too bad, just is better to avoid the risk.

A good place to hear mariachis is "el parian" at Tlaquepaque, it is about 15 minutes by car from the center of Guadalajara. There are artesanías too.

Another place for artesanías is "El tianguis de Tonalá" The trafic is terrific, but if you have time, it worth it.

Zapopan has "La basilica" if you want to visit "La generala" (La virgen de Zapopan)

Most of the recent insecure problems in Guadalajara are with "los cárteles" between they selfs. Practically you don't notice it if you don't see the news.

Luis Arturo Huerta Rodrìguez

Hi Elysia,
I just visited the beautiful city of Guadalajara last month and stayed at the Hotel de Mendoza at the recommendation of Mickey, another NR member. The hotel was perfectly located in the heart of the historic district and across the street from El Teatro Delgollado, where my friend and I attended a marvelous symphonic concert. Directly across from the Teatro is a large plaza which has all kinds of things going on all the time. Surrounding the plaza are various municipal buildings with paintings,murals, and interesting historic displays, & the Regional Museum. At the end of the plaza is the gorgeous Cathedral. And across from the cathedral, and also to the left of it, are two plazas which have live music and are great places to people watch.
A must see is the Instituto Cultural Cabanas, located at the end of the street (a pleasant walk about 1/4 mile) which is to the right of the Teatro, as you face it. This is a world heritage site which has probably the greatest, most amazing Orozco mural on the ceiling. Of course, shoppers enjoy going to Tlaquepaque
We never witnessed any problems and found everyone to be very helpful & friendly. You should have a wonderful time. I will be thinking of you and wishing I was back.
Nancy

Elysia..Happy to hear that your going to Juchipila...check out Amoxochitl,Juchipila,..this is where most of your great,great, grandma, Jacinta Luna's family is from...Saludos, Raul Cristerna Luna

--- On Thu, 4/26/12, elysiarodriguez@hotmail.com wrote:

From: elysiarodriguez@hotmail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] I'm going to be visiting the region and need advice :)
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Thursday, April 26, 2012, 3:44 PM

Hello!

I will be visiting Juchipila, Moyahua, ixtlahucan del rio, and Guadalajara in June.

I would appreciate any suggestions of things to do and see, or tips on traveling.
Warnings, ideas, advice etc. are welcome :)

my profile is in the membership files. I am so excited to see where my grandparents are from (Juchipila and Moyahua)as well as my other ancestors!

Elysia Rodriguez (Rodriguez, Esparza, Placencia, etc etc.)
elysiarodriguez@hotmail.com

I had never paid attention to the missing years since most of my research
was in Lagos. After looking at the content of the volumes I see that the
marriages from January 1690 to August 1729. The missing 39 years of
marriages would definitely have had a lot of good information. The volume
of Información Matrimonial 1693-1699 has the years 1702 to 1729 starting
with image 412
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19046-47952-41?cc=1874591&wc…
should attempt to find something there.

Saludos
Armando

On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 3:29 PM, wrote:

> I'm stuck on this couple, Xptoval Saucedo & Feliciana De Udabe who should
> have been married between 1705-1712 in Teocaltiche. I cant find a marriage
> for them, it looks like the marriage records for this time frame are
> missing. Does anyone have any info on the marriage or ancestors of this
> couple? Here is what I have on them and their eight children;
>
> Christoval Saucedo died 1742 married to Feliciana de Udabe died 1745
> --Francisco Saucedo Bap. 1713
> --Ysidro Caietano Saucedo Bap.1715, m. Antonia Feliciana Yanez
> --Juan Zacarias Saucedo Bap. 1748, m. Margarita Ruiz
> --Joseph Antonio Saucedo Bap. 1726, m. Maria de los Dolores Lopez de Nava
> --Maria de los Dolores Saucedo m. Juan Rovalcava
> --Santiago Saucedo m. Manuela de la Asencion Rovalcava
> --Juana Maria Saucedo m. Nicolas Rovalcava
> --Maria Antonia San Joseph Saucedo m. Augustin Raphael Lopes
>
> Is it possible that the marriage records for this time frame are somewhere
> else? Any suggestions at all will help. Thanks.
>
> Ron Robinson
> El Paso, Texas
>

Is NR able to 'buy' this kit and allow members to donate for its use?

Raymond Medrano

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> The Foundation for the National Archives announces the publication of the Genealogy Tool Kit: Getting Started on Your Family History at the National Archives, written by National Archives genealogy archives specialist John P. Deeben.
> This 160-page step-by-step guide was published by the Foundation and launched in April 2012 to coincide with the celebration of the National Archives' release of the 1940 U.S. Census. The Foundation has long supported research at the National Archives, including its annual support of the Archives' Genealogy Fair, and the development of genealogy products such as this Tool Kit and other archival and research-oriented items.
> The Genealogy Tool Kit will help family researchers of all levels of experience to explore how their ancestors interacted with the Federal Government over the course of their lives. Did they enter the United States from a foreign country? Apply to become an American citizen? Enlist in a regiment during a particular war? File for a patent, homestead, or pension?
> Through such questions, and many more, the Genealogy Tool Kit helps genealogists to navigate the records at the National Archives, from census and naturalization records to military and federal land grant records. With checklists to track the readers' progress, family trees to fill in as ancestors are discovered, and room for taking notes, the Tool Kit will also serve as researchers' own record of their family history research project.
> The Genealogy Tool Kit also includes the personal discovery stories of Archivist of the United States David S. Ferriero, documentary filmmaker Ken Burns, and author and journalist A'Lelia Bundles, as well as inspirational accounts from several other family historians.
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Is NR able to 'buy' this kit and allow members to donate for its use?

Raymond Medrano

On Apr 27, 2012, at 6:48 PM, shcorona@gmail.com wrote:

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> Genealogy Tool Kit Published by Foundation for the National Archives
> WASHINGTON, April 18, 2012 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Step-by-Step Guide to Family Research at the National Archives
> The Foundation for the National Archives announces the publication of the Genealogy Tool Kit: Getting Started on Your Family History at the National Archives, written by National Archives genealogy archives specialist John P. Deeben.
> This 160-page step-by-step guide was published by the Foundation and launched in April 2012 to coincide with the celebration of the National Archives' release of the 1940 U.S. Census. The Foundation has long supported research at the National Archives, including its annual support of the Archives' Genealogy Fair, and the development of genealogy products such as this Tool Kit and other archival and research-oriented items.
> The Genealogy Tool Kit will help family researchers of all levels of experience to explore how their ancestors interacted with the Federal Government over the course of their lives. Did they enter the United States from a foreign country? Apply to become an American citizen? Enlist in a regiment during a particular war? File for a patent, homestead, or pension?
> Through such questions, and many more, the Genealogy Tool Kit helps genealogists to navigate the records at the National Archives, from census and naturalization records to military and federal land grant records. With checklists to track the readers' progress, family trees to fill in as ancestors are discovered, and room for taking notes, the Tool Kit will also serve as researchers' own record of their family history research project.
> The Genealogy Tool Kit also includes the personal discovery stories of Archivist of the United States David S. Ferriero, documentary filmmaker Ken Burns, and author and journalist A'Lelia Bundles, as well as inspirational accounts from several other family historians.
> The Tool Kit is available for purchase in the Archives Shop in Washington, DC, over the phone at 202-357-5271, or via email at nationalarchivesstore@nara.gov
> About the National ArchivesThe National Archives and Records Administration is an independent Federal agency that preserves and shares with the public records that trace the story of our nation, government, and the American people. From the Declaration of Independence to accounts of ordinary Americans, the holdings of the National Archives directly touch the lives of millions of people. The National Archives is a public trust upon which our democracy depends, ensuring access to essential evidence that protects the rights of American citizens, documents the actions of the government, and reveals the evolving national experience
> About the Foundation for the National Archives The Foundation for the National Archives is an independent nonprofit that serves as the National Archives' private-sector partner in the creation of and ongoing support of the National Archives Experience, which includes permanent exhibits, educational programs, traveling exhibits, special events and film screenings, and historical/records-related products, publications, and media. The Foundation helps the public understand the importance of the holdings of the National Archives by presenting the depth and diversity of the records through award-winning, interactive educational exhibits and programs. It generates financial and creative support for the National Archives Experience from individuals, foundations, and corporations who share a belief in the importance of innovative civics education.
> SOURCE Foundation for the National Archives

Adrián Márquez Padilla

Me gustaria confirmar si tu bisabuelo Benigno Gutiérrez Padilla, era hermano de Norberto Gutiérrez Padilla , esposo de Librada Gutierrez, de ser asi me gustaria contactar contigo para intercambiar datos.

Saludos

Alicia,

Are you saying that the priest when recording these vital records
made these errors or are these errors LDS input errors?

Can you give one example...?

Pat

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 8:42:44 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nochistlan-Bautismos 1870-1876-Errores

This is just a heads up to anyone doing research in Nochistlan but specific to film # 226675, Bautismos 1870-1873, it's full of errors, listing the wrong names or surnames at least 20-30 % of the time so make sure to double check off of other records the surnames of the grandparents or even for that matter of the parents. Too many mistakes to list!!
I wish I could write and notify someone to make the corrections but I guess I'm at least 140 years too late.

Un aviso a todos los que hacen estudios en family search, especificamente los archivos del rollo# 226675 de Bautismos de Nochistlan, Zacatecas, 1870-1873. Contiene muchisimos errores en los apellidos de los padres y de los abuelos.
Durante sus investigaciones cuando encuentren una partida de Bautismo, rectifiquen sus datos con otros datos de las mismas familias, de otra manera van a documentar nombres erroneos.

Quisiera dar aviso a los escribanos de estos documentos pero creo que es bastante tarde, han pasado mas de 140 años.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

Enrique,

Hasta hoy, revisando mis correos electronicos, me doy cuenta que has avanzado profundamente en el tema de los Ramirez de Prado y los Perez de guzman. Aun, no se nada sobre estos Garcia Montero o Garcia de Rivas, pero seguramente debido a la epoca y lugar deberian originar de otro lugar. Es muy interesante que hubo otros conexciones con los Ramirez de Prado al norte de Mexico especialmente, Texas y Nuevo Mexico. Si podias escribirme a mi correo personal sobre el tema seria fabuloso. Ahora, que tal los Ramirez de Prado de Michoacan? El Fr. Marcos Ramirez de Prado, Arzobispo de Valladolid?

Saludos,
Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino