Descent of Edward III to my wife's maternal grandmother, Margarita Rocha Gutierrez and to Queen Elizabeth II
The descent from Cerdic, 1st King of Wessex to King Edward III to Margarita Gutierrez Rocha
1. Cerdic, 1st King of Wessex
2. Creoda
3. Cynric, King of Wessex
Comments
I followed this lineage as it was in many secondary sources. However, now that I have discovered a different ancestry for the Ruy Diaz de Mendoza that is the husband of Leonor Salazar, I would like to dig deeper into the ancestors of Maria Mendoza, wife of Luis Marin. I will soon post an ancestry of the Ruy Diaz de Mendoza married to Leonor.
36. Rudy Diaz de Mendoza
+ Catalina Arellano del Rio
(Parents ?)
37. Maria Mendoza
+ Luis Marin (b1491)
Does anyone have any evidence for these claims other than secondary sources?
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
The problem is that in the family there are multiple Juan Martinez de Leyvas and a couple of Sancho Martinez de Leyvas that genealogists, myself included, have confused. Add the multiple marriages and there is even more confusion.
I had previously written:
"I have Juana Garcia de Leyva as daughter to Sancho Martinez de Leyva And Elizabeth of Suffolk but I have also seen some genealogists place her as Sancho and Elizabeth's granddaughter and daughter of Juan Martinez de Leyva and Maria Diaz de Ceballos."
I have found more material indicating that Juana Garcia de Leyva is the grandaughter of Sancho Martinez de Leyva and Lady Elizabeth of Suffolk instead of the daughter so this would mean an additional generation. I need to do more research to clarify if she is the daughter or granddaughter. One secondary source even names her as a great grandaughter.
Some genealogists have even stated that Sancho "brazo de hierro"and Leyva are siblings but the evidence points to descendancy.
Descent from Pedro Zuniga Ist Conde de Ledesma to Lady Diana Spencer and Margarita Rocha Gutierrez
32. Pedro López de Zúñiga y García de Leyva, I Conde de Ledesma, Conde de Plasencia, Justicia Mayor del Rey and Alguacil mayor del Rey + Isabel de Guzmán y Ayala, III Señora de Gibraleón
33. Alvaro Peres de Zuniga y Leyva (1410?-1488) + Eleonore Pimentel (second wife of Alvaro)
34. Isabella Zuniga y Pimentel (1470-1520) + Fadrique Alvarez Toledo
35. Pedro Alvarez Toledo (1485-?) + Maria Osorio-Pimentel
36. Eleonora Alvarez Toledo (1522-1562) + Cosimo I de Medici
37. Francesco I d'Medici of Italy (1541-1581) + Joanna Hapsburg, Archduchess of Austria(1547-1578)
38. Maria de Medici (1573-1642) + Henry IV Bourbon of France
39. Henriette Marie de Bourbon (1609-1699) + Charles I of England, (1600-1649)
40. Charles II of England, (1630-1685) + Louise de Kérouaille, Duchess of Portsmouth (1649-1734)
41. Charles Lennox, 1st Duke of Richmond (1672-1723) + Anne Brudenell (1671-1722)
42. Charles Lennox, 2nd Duke of Richmond (1701-1750) + Sarah Cadogan (1705-1751)
43. Lord George Lennox (1737-1805) + Louisa Kerr (1738-1830)
44. Charles Lennox, 4th Duke of Richmond (1764-1819) + Charlotte Gordon (1768-1842)
45. Charles Gordon-Lennox, 5th Duke of Richmond (1791-1860) + Caroline Paget (1796-1874)
46. Cecilia Gordon-Lennox (1838-1910) + Charles Bingham, 4th Earl of Lucan (1830-1914)
47. Rosalind Bingham (1869-1958) + James Hamilton, 3rd Duke of Abercom (1869-1953)
48. Cynthia Hamilton (1897-1972 )+ Albert Spencer, 7th Earl of Spencer (1892-1975)
49. John Spencer, 8th Earl of Spencer (1924-1992) + France's Ruth Roche (1936-2004)
50. Lady Diana Spencer (1961-1997)
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32. Pedro López de Zúñiga y García de Leyva, I Conde de Ledesma, Conde de Plasencia, Justicia Mayor del Rey and Alguacil mayor del Rey + Isabel de Guzmán y Ayala, III Señora de Gibraleón
33. Diego Lopez de Zuniga (married twice, this is his first marriage)
+ Aldonza de Avellaneda de Aza
34. Isabel de Zuniga y Avellaneda
+ Pedro Gonzalez de Mendoza
35. Juan Hurtado de Mendoza, 5th Sr. De Moron
+ Luisa Velasquez de Cuellar y Velasco
36. Rudy Diaz de Mendoza
+ Catalina Arellano del Rio
37. Maria Mendoza
+ Luis Marin
38. Mariana Mendoza
+ Cap.Juan Zaldivar
39. Maria Zaldivar Mendoza
+ Balthazar Temino de Banuelos
40. Anna Maria Banuelos m. Aft.1543
+ Francisco Figueroa de Carbajal b.abt1520
41. Francisca Figueroa Temino de Banuelos b.1548
+ Rodrigo de Carbajal, I (b.1535)
42. Rodrigo de Carbajal II
+ Melchora de los Reyes Rodriguez
43. Rodrigo de Carbajal b.abt 1603, m. 12/Sep/1628
+ Juana Lomelin y Benavides abt 1610 daughter of Italian Carlo Lomelini
44. Leonor Carbajal Bracamonte b.abt.1631, m.abt 1660
+ Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo (b.1635, d.24/June/1699)
45. Ana Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Carbajal
+ Esteban Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza
46. Micaela Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza (c.29/May/1698) m.10/Feb/1716
+ Jose Munoz de Nava ((b.abt1698)
47. Jose Antonio Munoz de Nava
+ Gertrudis Garcia de H. y Franco (Aka Gertrudis Ramirez y Franco)
48. Juan Manuel Munoz de Nava
+ Apolonia Marquez
49. Maria de la Trinidad Munoz de Nava m. 20/Aug/1821
+ Jose Francisco de la Trinidad Martin del Campo
50. Jose Luis Deonicio Martin del Campo c.17/Oct/1822, m.29/May/1844
+ Maria Vicenta Florencia Pedrosa
51. Maria Campos y Pedrosa, m. 9/Feb/1859
+ Felipe de Jesus Gutierrez y Munoz
52. Maximiana Gutierrez y Campos b.1876, d. 13/Nov/1934
+ Ciriaco Rocha (b.1871)
53. Margarita Rocha Gutierrez, b.1910,
+ Pablo Lomelin, b.5/Jan/1905
Additional notes to help explain why some genealogist follow different genealogies
Pedro Lopez de Zuniga (-Ricohombre y Mariscal de Castilla. Sr del Estado de Zúñiga, (Camarero Mayor de Enrique III, y Justicia Mayor, y Alguacil Mayor de Castilla) married to Juana Garcia de Leyva (Sra. de Villavaquerín (Valladolid). Camarera Mayor de la Reina Beatriz de Portugal)
I have Juana Garcia de Leyva as daughter to Sancho Martinez de Leyva And Elizabeth of Suffolk but I have also seen some genealogists place her as Sancho and Elizabeth's granddaughter and daughter of Juan Martinez de Leyva and Maria Diaz de Ceballos. But Maria Diaz de Ceballos is Sancho Martinez de Leyva's mother and third cousin to Edward Windsor (King Edward III of England.). One of the reason that many genealogists have mixed up family trees is that Sancho Martinez de Leyva's father, Juan Martinez de Leiva y Velasco, married three times.
Pedro Lopez de Zuniga and Juana Garcia de Leyva are the parents of Pedro Lopez Zuniga 1st Conde de Ledesma. Pedro de Zuniga is the oldest son. 1st Conde de Ledesma y Plasencia, Justicia Mayor del Rey and Alguacil mayor del Rey, married to Isabel Guzman. Pedro and Isabel have two children marry into the Pimentel family and their descendants marry into the Alvarez de Toledo family. In many family trees there are mistakes as to whether they belong as a descendant of the son, Alvaro, or the daughter, Elvira.
Pedro de Zuniga (Conde de Ledesma) and Isabel Guzman's son named Alvaro Perez de Zuniga y Leyva has two marriages. His second marriage is to Eleonore Pimentel. Alvaro and Eleonore's daughter Isabela marries Fadrique Alvarez de Toledo.
Pedro de Zuniga (Conde de Ledesma) and Isabel Guzman have a daughter named Elvira de Zuniga y Guzman. Elvira has two marriages. Her first marriage is to Juan Alfonso Pimentel. Elvira's second marriage is to Pedro Alvarez Osorio (it is also his second marriage). Through this second marriage there is descent that also marries into the Alvarez de Toledo family.
As you can see the mixture of the Zuniga, Pimentel and Alvarez Toledo surnames have contributed to confusion as to whether they descend from Alvaro Perez de Zuniga y Leyva and Eleonore Pimentel or from Elvira de Zuniga and Pedro Alvarez Osorio, Conde de Trastámara. There is also a branch of the Osorio Pimenetel family that marries into the Alvarez de Toledo family that does not descend from the Zuniga family.
The key is that Elvira's first husband was Pimentel but the descent that marries into the Alvarez Toledo family is through the descent from the second husband, Pedro Alvarez de Osorio (Conde de Trastámara). When the Pimentel surname is involved, and there is not an Osorio surname attached, then the descent is through Alvaro Perez de Zuniga y Leyva and Eleonore Pimentel.
Source:Mygenes2000
R.A.Ricci
Here is a source pertaining to the Figuroa and Banuelos family
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55292850/Fern%C3%A1ndez%2C%20R%20(2…
Fernandez is wrong about the name of the wife of Rodrigo de Caravajal because in 1568 Francisco de Figueroa himself stated his daughter Francisca married Rodrigo de Caravajal
Source
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55292850/Amaya%2C%20T.%20J%20(1983)…
Dear Alex,
Please look at the thread:
Colio and Covarrubias connection to Suarez de Ibarra and Sanchez de Porras
And the thread on Toribio Hernandez Arellano
Francisco and Diego are not first cousins. With all the information that we do have on the family, It is 99,99999999999999999999999999999... % improbable for them to be first cousins. They are uncle and nephew.
Thank you Linda for the Amazing comment. Later I will add some of the other ancestries attached to this line.
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your comment made me smile. I remember when I told my Dad I was doing research on the family in Zacatecas he asked me why since they were all dead anyway! I had to laugh he had no idea how our Caldera family especially had to do with the history of Nueva Galicia.
I believe every generation or two the ancestors ask to be remembered. I had 2 cousins who started this work on the family then I retired and had time to take it further. Future generations will be able to say they have a history and foundation and story that I carry forward with pride and responsibility. I also put my files on Rootsweb.com so others can find their lines and am amazed how many relatives I've found and enjoy. My trunk in Zacatecas is my Father, Chet Castanon and if you go to pedigree in text form you can see my lines and they amaze me how I can have slave owners and slaves. Espanol, Mulato and Indio. I am all that Mexico has to offer.
Your family can certainly be proud of what you have done for your line to be remembered!!!
thank you again
Linda Castanon-Long
Dear Linda,
I made two discoveries today. One of them was that my ancestors brother raped his cousin, making her bleed and then, forcing/convincing her to marry him. They had two children, one of them the ancestor to many kings.
The other discovery is a very big personal discovery. This discovery brings an uplifting story that has a personal connection to my family. This discovery connects a saint that started the order that administers schools that my wife, daughter, and I have attended. I found out that this saint lived with his aunt, my ancestor and that he stated that this aunt had a big influence on his life. It was the discovery of this story that finally changed the mind of my family member that had said "why are you wasting your time, you should be doing something constructive and not wasting time."
Thanks again for your comments,
Rick Ricci
Dear Rick
I thank you very much for all your time, hard work, patience, dedication and many more things you gather to reconstruct brick by brick, piece by piece the most exciting puzzle from which we all came yo life!
I think that maybe some of our relatives are reluctant to look into the past due to fears of finding out that we descend of "little people ", of "unperfect individuals", what they don't imagine is that for ALL OF US to be alive, our ancestors had to perform an incredible number of courageous or clever or audacious actions!
People like you help us realize that in the end we all are descendants of courageous pioneers; audacious conquerors; clever Merchants...
In the end we see that none of the living persons on this planet come from "little people " because our genes to be here, alive, still thriving, have had to solve and survive incredible and seemingly unsurmontable situations!
And the great news is... that... here we are, and thankfully some of us Will not let that all the efforts, all the fights our ancestors fought, be thrown away as if they were worthless, that would be equivalent to saying that we, as humanity- are worthless
Dear Carlos,
Thank you for your comments. Much of of my research has moved along as someone brings up questions and makes me dig even deeper to find out more of our "ancestral history". I want to thank you all your help on the Pantoja ancestry. After all the work that we did on the Pantoja family, I was wondering if you saw my Ochoa Garibay findings. Have you seen that post?
Diego Otxoa Garibai (aka Diego Ochoa-Garibay) married to Juana Nunez de Sotomayor:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23400
Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci
Rick
On page 27 of "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia, Guadalajara, Tomo I" by Guillermo Garmendia Leal he states:
Rodrigo de CARVAJAL, nacido en Agualulco, muere el 20 Oct 1631
The list of sources for this section are:
FAMILIAS DE GUADALAJARA, JALISCO
BAUTISMOS DE 1599 A 1617, ROLLO# 0038309 y otras hasta 1631 de la Revista de la
Soc. De Historia y Genealogia de Jalisco, No. 5 de Ene 1978.
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Familias que aparecen en los PROTOCOLOS de :
RODRIGO HERNANDEZ CORDERO, rollo 0266637 (1585 - 1591),
JUAN SEDANO, rollo 0277644 (1627-1630),
FRANCISCO DE ORENDAIN, rollo 0277638 (1629)
DIEGO P. DE RIBERA, rollo 0243181 (1637-1643)
HERNANDO ENRIQUEZ DEL CASTILLO, rollo 0243176 (1641-1648)
Have you located this record? Seems like it may fit in the timeline for the Rodrigo Caravajal who married Melchora de los Reyes
Alex
Dear. Alex
On your finding:
"Rodrigo de CARVAJAL, nacido en Agualulco, muere el 20 Oct 1631"
I have not located this record but will look for it. I agree with you that it may fit in the timeline for the Rodrigo Caravajal who married Melchora de los Reyes. Do you know where Agualulco is? Rodrigo and Melchora de los Reyes were residents of Ahuacatlan, Nayarit.
Mary Lou provides invaluable information on this family in the letters that she provided from Jaime Holcombe.
Every piece to the puzzle that we add is very welcome.
Thanks,
Rick A Ricci
Rick
I just assumed Agualulco was the same as Ahuacatlan. I went through cited film. I went through all the deaths, and the births and marriages of 1631 and could't find the record!
I was also wondering if you had any additional sources connecting Rodrigo de Carbajal cc Melchora de los Reyes to his parents. Seems to me Jaime (Pctober 1992) had no source for the connection in his letters; however he did for the rest of Rodrigo's siblings and half-siblings.
Alex
I don't know if there are any typos, as I am too taken by your results and the hard work and hours put into it. While I don't have any direct relationships to any of the people my cousins the Lomelin and Pedrozas do. Thank you for sharing.
Dear, Simona,
Thank you for your comments. There are many typos in my post about King of England Edward III's descent to Margarita Rocha Gutierrez. A couple of the dates I put in are wrong.I also left out some information by mistake. The numbering of the descent from Danish royalty is off. I left out Juan Hurtado de Mendozas wife by mistake, I left out many dates that I have. Sometimes I put a date without saying what the date meant. I should have better explained how a huge number of people from Nueva Galicia and New Mexico (USA) descend from King Edward III, not just Margarita Rocha Gutierrez's family.
35. Juan Hurtado de Mendoza, 5th Sr. De Moron
+ Luisa Velasquez de Cuellar y Velasco
Many families from Nueva Galicia and New Mexico descend from this group of people:
36. Maria Mendoza
+ Luis Marin (b1491)
37. Mariana Mendoza m.1550
+ Cap.Juan Zaldivar (born 1520-1525)
38. Maria Zaldivar Mendoza m.abt.1554
+ Balthazar Temino de Banuelos
Balthazar Temino de Banuelos himself is a descendant of Spanish and English Royalty and I have documentation to prove it.
Diego Flores De la Torre married to Angela Velasco Figueroa have descendants throughout Nueva Galicia spreading Edward III's descendants throughout the whole area.
Maria Mendoza and Luis Marin left descendants throughout New Mexico as a Zaldivar Mendoza branch was one of the founding families of New Mexico. Actually there were two Zaldivar Mendoza branches, with one of them staying in New Mexico with the other spreading their descendants throughout Nueva Galicia.
Descendants of the Perez Gallo, Sancho Renteria and Angela Velasco, and Capitan Diego Flores de la torre and Beatriz de Anda Altamirano, and the De la Torre Ledesma families are just a few of the families that descend from Edward III.
I am glad that someone appreciates and recognizes the work. The first comment that I received after posting it was "why are you wasting your time, you should be doing something constructive and not wasting time."
Thanks,
R.A.Ricci
Edward III's ancestry is more French than anything else. His contribution to our DNA would show some English, some Spanish but the majority would be French DNA.
Want to recheck sources