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Dear Colleagues:

I would like to share the abstract and link of my recent article for those interested in transcontinental history, genealogical ties (adding what I discovered about the Melgar, ancestors of the Reinoso of Boadilla de Rioseco), and the historical intersections between the Hispanic world and Japan. Below is the English summary of the monograph, which is also available in full on the Internet Archive: https://archive.org/details/honor-diplomacia-y-memoria/page/n5/mode/1up (Spanish)

"The present article examines the long-standing and profound historical connection between the House of Reynoso and the Empire of Japan spanning four centuries (1589–2026). Through a rigorous genealogical, historiographical, and testimonial analysis, the work traces the roots of this Castilian lineage and its transcontinental evolution, structured around three key figures: Captain Francisco de Reynoso y San Pedro, who in the 17th century forged a distinguished mercantile alliance with the

Toribio Hernández de Arellano

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El origen de Toribio Hernández de Arellano: Análisis genealógico e hipótesis de adscripción filiativa de un genearca neogallego : Erik Andrés Reynoso y Márquez : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Dear colleagues,

I am sharing the following article, which may be of interest to you. It references a Mexico City notarial protocol mentioning Sebastián Hernández de Arellano, whose lineage I have previously examined:

Best regards,

Erik Reynoso

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Hello Erik,

I read all of your posts with great interest, but those featuring Toribio Hernández de Arellano especially catch my attention. I have a short list of ancestors who seem to appear over and over again in our family tree, and Toribio Hernández de Arellano and Isabel de Mendoza are two of those individuals.

Thank you for sharing your research. I know it means a great deal to many people, myself included, and I truly appreciate the time and effort that goes into it.

Thank you again,

Travis

Thank you

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Hello Travis,

Thank you so much for the kind words! It’s always rewarding to connect with fellow researchers who share these same brick walls and foundational lineages.

Toribio Hernández de Arellano and Isabel de Mendoza are an important couple in New Galicia genealogy, and like you, I find them appearing constantly across multiple branches! I'm glad the research resonates with you and aids in your own family tree.

Best regards,

Erik

Toribio Hernandez Arellano

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Saludos Erik,

Excellent work Erik. I do believe that you hit the bull’s eye with the ancestry of Toribio Hernandez Arellano.

Congratulations on this great work!
Rick A. Ricci

Thank you

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Thank you, Rick! Hopefully, this will bring us all closer to unraveling more mysteries!

Carlos Lomelin

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Congratulations again Erik on your excellent work on Toribio Hernandez Arellano. You were also correct that Carlos Lomelin that we descend from is not the same Carlo Lomellini that is the son of Vincenzo Lomelini and Porzia. The Carlo Lomelin, son of Vincenzo Lomellini and Porzia was proven to not be the same Carlos Lomelin married to Maria Benavides.

I hope to have a book published next year on Carlos Lomelin’s ancestry. The first part of the book is on Carlos Lomellin ancestors and descendants, so I still have many descendants to add to the book. The second part of the book is about another person in the family tree that is a well known historical figure. The two parts are connected which is why they will be in the same book, yet many people who don’t descend from Carlos Lomelin may only be interested in the second part.

Your last book was so filled with information that I was surprised that you didn’t include the information of the most famous historical figure in the Nuñez family tree. Since this historical figure was the first European to see the Pacific Ocean, I thought you would write about him. But I assume that you didn’t write more about him because you already had a large amount of information in the book.

Saludos y un abrazo,

Rick A.Ricci

PS. I will later send you my nephew’s mother’s ancestry so you can add it to your Palomar family tree.

Lomelin question

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Hello Rick,

I have a Lomelin question. If I start a new post thread on the subject, would you mind reading it and offering insight or advice?

Thank you,

Travis

Lomelin

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Hello Travis,

Go ahead and ask. I am just holding back on Carlos Lomelin’s parents, ancestry, until my book is published.

Rick A. Ricci

Thank you

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Hello Rick,

As I was typing everything into a post, I happened to locate the information I needed in FamilySearch. I appreciate your kind offer, but my question has now been answered.

Thank you again,

Travis

Familysearch

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Hello Travis,

Don’t believe everything you see in familysearch family trees. Many people add or change information on the trees without providing any sources. When I add or change information on familysearch I try to also add sources explaining the change or the addition.
Good luck,

Rick

Thank you

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Thank you, Rick! I look forward to read your book so much. About the Nuñez family tree, one of the issues I had was the rising production costs of Amazon. I had to limit the extent of the book because it was getting pricier and the vast majority of what is earned goes to them.

However, I would feel deeply honored if you and others would continue what is written and expand it in your own works. I would be very happy if any of you found "De Nobleza Inmemorial" useful.

At the end, we are all part of the same long chain and these grains of sand are what make genealogy so exciting.

Un fuerte abrazo,

Erik

A Compendium of Essential Genealogists and Historical Researchers of New Spain

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The study of genealogy within the historical framework of New Spain and modern Mexico represents a critical, specialized branch of Latin American historiography. Far from being a mere collection of ancestral lists, colonial Mexican genealogy serves as an essential lens through which scholars examine social stratification, economic structures, land distribution, and the transmission of political power from the early viceregal era through the nineteenth century. The research produced in this domain relies heavily on rigorous archival paleography, the critical analysis of notary protocols (protocolos notariales), ecclesiastical records, and inquisitorial proceedings, bridging family history with broader socio-economic and demographic realities.

To synthesize a truly comprehensive overview of this field, this compendium integrates a cross-model AI consensus, drawing upon comparative evaluations from Gemini, Claude, and ChatGPT to evaluate figures based on archival discoveries, published

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Dear Erik,

Thank you for publishing such an extraordinary and comprehensive synthesis of the giants in our field. As a fellow researcher mapping the human terrain of Nueva Galicia, reading your master summary was deeply inspiring. I completely agree with your closing sentiment: we are indeed links in a continuous chain, standing on the shoulders of the master archivists and paleographers you so beautifully chronicled.

To answer your closing question—my journey was largely inspired by the profound oral histories passed down by my grandfather, Joe Segoviano Muñoz, who migrated from San Julián, Jalisco, to California in 1923, narrowly escaping the Cristero War. My desire to verify his stories led me to the works of Dr. Mariano González-Leal (whose Retoños volumes sit in my home office) and propelled me into the incredibly complex, interwoven genearca lineages of Los Altos.

In my professional life, I am a former Special Operations Civil Affairs Soldier, and I currently serve as an Integration Lead for U.S. Transportation Command (USTRANSCOM). In the military, my mission was to "Map the Human Terrain" in places like Iraq, Kosovo, and Ukraine. Today, I apply that exact same investigative methodology to historical records, reconstructing the complex social and economic networks of our ancestors.

On July 22, 2026, I had the honor of briefing community leaders at a local Rotary Club here in the U.S. on this exact concept. My presentation focused heavily on the founding families of Los Altos, specifically tracing my direct descents through the Muñoz de la Barba, Padilla-Dávila, Gómez de Portugal, and Álvarez lineages, all the way back to Conquistador Juan de Baeza. I visisted Baeza, Jaen, Spain in August 2025 to do ancestral research.

Given your unparalleled expertise and your focus on 16th- and 17th-century notary protocols and European origins, I was hoping to ask you for your guidance on three highly specific "brick walls" based off July's presentation:

The Haciendas: In documenting the 18th-century landholdings of my 7th-great-grandfather, Don Salvador Manuel Muñoz de la Barba (husband to Josefa Rodríguez de Portugal), have you ever come across a Croquis (map), Testamento, or Título de Composición for the Hacienda de Tecameca or La Ciénega in Jalostotitlán?

The San Julián Founders: I am searching for any visual history of the town's founders. Have you ever encountered a historical portrait or painting of Don Lino Padilla Hurtado or Pablo Padilla Hurtado? Or possibly of any Munoz de la Barba members?

The Conquistador: Since you research the noble lineages from Europe into Nueva Galicia, are you aware of any Hoja de Servicios (military service record) or pasajeros a Indias manifest for Captain Juan de Baeza (b. 1518 in Baeza, Spain)?

I would be incredibly grateful for any insight, document exchange, or guidance you might be willing to share. Thank you again for your magnificent contribution to the community, and for reminding us all that true historical preservation is a shared, fraternal endeavor.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,

Mario Franco
[St. Louis, Missouri, USA]

A Compendium of Essential Genealogists and Historical Researcher

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Buenas tardes (en Madrid), Erik,

Veo con agrado que has incluido a don Fernando Muñoz Altea en la relación que has propuesto en este forum (y quizás en algunos otros) de estudiosos y autores genealogistas del virreinato de la Nueva España.

Fernando, añorado gran amigo, trabajó incansablemente hasta la avanzada edad de 93 años en la genealogía y en la heráldica, ciencia auxiliar de la historia de la que en México existen muy pocos estudiosos. Fue Rey de Armas de la Casa de Borbón-Dos Sicilias y una colaborador clave para la rehabilitación/recuperación del título de Conde de Gustarredondo (llevada a cabo por el también entrañable Guillermo Tovar quien, por el caballeroso gesto que tuvo con quien ese momento ostentaba irregularmente el título y por su inesperada muerte, se vió impidido de ostentarlo. Ahora lo ostenta su sobrino) y la sucesión del título de Conde Santa María de Guadalupe del Peñasco, coautor de las monografías relativas a ambos títulos y autor de muchas obras más. Tengo a mucha honra el haber sido la última persona para quien se dignó pintar en pergamino y certificar sus armas.

Por otra parte, me atrevo a proponerte a las siguientes personas para ser incluidas en la relación que has llevado a cabo:

Ricardo Ortega y Pérez-Gallardo, autor de la monumental obra Historia Genealógica de las Familias más Antiguas de México;

Augusto Vallejo de Villa, incansable genealogista, sorjuanista, guadalupanista y estudioso del arte, autor de numerosos artículos sobre arte virreinal, sobre la verdadera historia de la imagen de la virgen de Guadalupe, y sobre Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz y su obra; descubridor de la partida de bautismo de Sor Juana Inés de la Cruz y de su verdadero apellido paterno, que era Azuaje (versión castellanizada del apellido italiano Zoagli), aunque la testarudez de historiadores oficiales insisten en seguir atribuyéndole un apellido -Asbaje- que únicamente existe en sus mentes; director, dentro del Consejo de la Crónica de la Ciudad de México, como colaborador de su gran amigo, Guillermo Tovar de Teresa, del proyecto de ordenación de absolutamente toda la información de las actas sacramentales de las parroquias de españoles de la ciudad de México en el siglo XVI, que incluye la interpolación de información y la identificación de personas que, en ocasiones, usaban diferentes apellidos (este proyecto, inicialmente por problemas de presupuesto y posteriormente por desinterés de las autoridades una vez que Guillermo dejó el Consejo de la Crónica, no ha podido llegar a ver la luz. Afortunadamente, tanto Augusto como yo somos poseedores de los pocos -si no es que únicos- ejemplares impresos de la información objeto del proyecto, que es una herramienta utilísima, aunque no tanto como sería deseable si se lograse la sistematización del mismo). Augusto tiene, además, el grandísimo mérito de haber introducido a Guillermo Tovar de Teresa al estudio de la genealogía, con respecto a lo cual Guillermo le decía que no sabía si bendecirlo o maldecirlo, pues el estudiar genealogía se le había convertido en un verdadero vicio.

Javier Sanchiz Ruiz, doctor en historia, investigador de tiempo completo en el Instituto de Investigaciones Históricas de la UNAM, profesor del seminario de paleografía y diplomática en el posgrado en Historia de la propia UNAM, miembro de número de numerosas academias de genealogía y miembro de otras asociaciones dedicadas al estudio de la historia, la genealogía y la heráldica, autor de incontables libros, capítulos en libros y artículos en revistas especializados sobre genealogía; coautor, iniciador y coordinador del proyecto de Familias Novohispanas. Un Sistema de Redes; y coautor, con el fallecido José Ignacio Conde y Díaz Rubín, de Historia genealógica de los títulos y dignidades nobiliarias en Nueva España.

Otros nombres destacadísimos en la investigación genealógica en la Nueva España y en la publicación de libros y artículos incluyen a Amaya Garritz, Ivonne Ramírez Mijares y Alejandro Mayagoitia Hagelstein.

Te saluda cordialmente,

Héctor Félix Aizcorbe

Gracias

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Estimado Héctor,

Gracias por expandir y enriquecer la lista de manera tan importante; lo de Ricardo Ortega y Pérez-Gallardo era una omisión imperdonable. Todos ellos han contribuido de manera sustancial a la investigación genealógica y, por ello, veo en este hilo una excelente oportunidad para hacer una petición pública.

El Seminario de Genealogía Mexicana del Dr. Sánchiz es consultado ampliamente y, como sabemos, constituye un valioso esfuerzo compilatorio en el cual se ha vaciado el contenido de diversas obras de investigación, como la de Mariano (Retoños de España en Nueva Galicia). Sin embargo, al tratarse de una compilación fundamentada en su mayoría en obras secundarias y no en repositorios documentales originales, existen incontables inconsistencias que terminan replicándose en otras plataformas, perpetuando el error.

En el caso de los Reynoso, llevo años consignando la genealogía correcta basada en fuentes primarias (y que constituye mi expediente de ingreso al Capítulo Noble de la Orden de la Merced); sin embargo, en el Seminario aún se menciona a una «Catarina Gutiérrez» inexistente, producto de una errónea lectura paleográfica, cuando el nombre consignado en varios manuscritos originales del corpus documental y nobiliario de los Reynoso es Toribia González (del linaje de los Moro, de Olmedo), además de omitirse varias generaciones ascendentes y descendientes.

De igual forma, referir a Petronila de Moctezuma como «Sotelo» constituye un desacierto categórico derivado de una antigua hipótesis de Guillermo Tovar de Teresa que carecía de sustento probatorio (y de la cual ni él mismo estaba convencido), con consecuencias nefastas para la investigación. La de su marido ni se diga, fatal. El caso de los Pantoja de Pátzcuaro, a pesar de haber quedado resuelto documentalmente su origen hidalgo en Medellín, se continúa perpetuando el error en dicha base atribuyéndole otro linaje. Asimismo, la ascendencia presentada para los Romo de Vivar resulta completamente errónea. Una fantasía que no tiene ni pies ni cabeza.

Por otro lado, en mi obra De Nobleza Inmemorial demostré documentalmente que la hidalguía atribuida al licenciado Diego Téllez por el Dr. Sánchiz y por Isaac Luis Velázquez Morales en sus respectivos trabajos, fue en realidad una fabricación realizada en Ocaña, estableciendo que el linaje no corresponde a los Téllez-Girón, sino a los Téllez de condición pechera. Desconozco si dicha filiación ha sido actualizada en la plataforma.

La filiación de Mariana de Vera, sobrina del presidente de la Real Audiencia de Guadalajara Santiago de Vera, totalmente equivocada. Se demostró gracias a Jorge Barba Gómez, que era hija de Hernando de Medina y de Nufla de Vera. Más adelante, hallé otro documento en AGI confirmando el descubrimiento de Jorge, en dicho documento se indica que Gaspar de Vera y Medina (hermano de Mariana) «...era sobrino suyo (refiriéndose a Santiago de Vera) hijo de su hermana...». La filiación que ahí se consigna del capitán Lázaro Martín del Campo es completamente errónea. Gracias a Alfonso Martín del Campo Loza y a Jorge Barba Gómez se descubrió el verdadero origen de los Martín del Campo con las respectivas pruebas documentales (incluyendo la prueba plena de hidalguía). Gracias a la investigación de Alfonso y Jorge puede remontarse su origen a Herencia.

Considero urgente y necesario corregir la información del Seminario. Como en su momento me señaló en diversas ocasiones Francisco Javier Castaños y Cañedo, la falta de actualización y revisión crítica en estas compilaciones genera un impacto sumamente severo en la investigación genealógica rigurosa. Ojalá el proyecto contemple una revisión de fondo en su base de Geneanet para evitar, como decía Guillermo Tovar de Teresa «sacar a la gente de la ignorancia para meterlos en la confusión»

Volviendo al tema principal del hilo, me permito sumar a la lista a mi tío el Ing. José López-Portillo y Weber (y sus obras sobre la Nueva Galicia), al actual Marqués de Salvatierra de Peralta y su trabajo sobre los caballeros maestrantes, al P. Gabriel Ibarrola Arriaga y su obra Familias y Casas en la Vieja Valladolid, a Torsten Dahl por Linajes en México, Matías Ángel de la Mota Padilla (Historia de la conquista de la Nueva Galicia) así como a José Luis Razo Zaragoza, Claudio Jiménez Vizcarra y Armando Mauricio Escobar y Olmedo con sus respectivos y muy importantes trabajos de investigación histórica y genealógica.

Recibe un cordial saludo,

Erik

Estimado Erik,No puedo estar…

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Estimado Erik,

No puedo estar menos que de acuerdo contigo en lo que se refiere al Seminario de Genealogía Mexicana. Es tanta la información errónea que su corrección me parece una tarea casi imposible. La idea del Seminario es magnífica, desafortunadamente, creo que cualquiera puede entrar, insertar infortmación -con o sin respaldo documental- y originar o perpetuar errores, y parece que el equipo que trabaja en ello carece de la capacidad o el tiempo para revisar todos y cada uno de los datos ingresados. Desde mi punto de vista, debería exigirse la comprobación documental o, por lo menos, la deducción razonable basada en triangulación de información documental (y la aclaración de que se trata de una deducción) antes de que la información sea hecha pública. Sería ideal enderezar la idea original del Seminario y eliminar errores o información sin fundamento.

Te envío un cordial saludo.

Héctor

Estimado Erik,Por otra parte…

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Estimado Erik,

Por otra parte, aplaudo la inclusión de los historiadores que has mencionado en tu relación de reconocidos especialistas en genealogía.

Saludos cordiales,

Héctor

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Gabriel Agraz García de Alba (1926–2009)
Legacy: Prolific historian, biographer, genealogist, and long-time Director of the Biblioteca de la República in Mexico City. Author of landmark historical-genealogical works including Los García de Alba and extensive bio-bibliographical studies of Jalisco figures.
Focus: Exhaustive primary-source extraction of Tecolotlán, Autlán, and central-western Jalisco lineages, bridging familial genealogies with broader regional bio-history and political iconography.
Dr. Tomas Hillerkuss
Legacy: Historian and professor at the Universidad Autónoma de Zacatecas; author of the multi-volume Diccionario biográfico del Occidente novohispano del siglo XVI.
Focus: Early 16th-century prosopography, notary protocols, and elite socio-economic networks of Nueva Galicia and Nueva Vizcaya (specifically Zacatecas, Guadalajara, and Compostela).
Jorge Barba Gómez
Legacy: Local historian and genealogist, author of key regional monographs on Alteño lineages, including Con el nombre... de la Barba.
Focus: Exhaustive extraction of parish and civil records across Tepatitlán and Los Altos de Jalisco, specializing in the Barba family branches and early settlement dynamics of Nueva Galicia.
Fernando Muñoz Altea (1925–2018)
Legacy: Prolific Spanish-Mexican historian, heraldist, King of Arms (Rey de Armas) of the Royal House of Bourbon-Two Sicilies, and President Ad Vitam of the Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y Heráldica. Author of fundamental works including Blasones y Apellidos and Los Virreyes de la Nueva España: Perfiles genealógico-biográficos.
Focus: European and viceregal nobility titles (títulos novohispanos), heraldic certification, inquisitorial lineage studies, and genealogical biographies of Mexico's viceroys and independence signers.

Personally, I have a memorable anecdote with the late Fernando Muñoz Altea and our common friend, Milagro Llórens Casani, the late Countess of Santa Cruz de los Manueles and Marquise of Navamorcuende, both great genealogists.

Tempus fugit.

Concepción L. Corcuera y Palomar

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For a very long time, the beauty and elegance of the Corcuera and Palomar ladies were almost legendary. My grandmother, a Palomar herself, representing la crème de la crème of Mexican high society, was raised in their midst alongside their uncles and cousins, and she often spoke fondly of their many stories.

This is the portrait of Concepción L. Corcuera y Palomar, painted by Philip de László in 1926. She was the first cousin of my third grandfather, José Federico Elías Miguel Palomar y Vizcarra, of the Marquises of Pánuco. (Catalogue | The Catalogue | Loizaga Corcuera de Verea, Concepción, née Concepción Loizaga Corcuera Palomar | The de Laszlo Archive Trust)

Her daughter, Elena, married Carlos Alfonso Mitjans y Fitz-James Stuart, Count of Teba and Baños, and a Grandee of Spain. He was the son of Juan Manuel de Mitjans y Manzanedo (1865–1929; Duke of Santoña, Grandee of Spain, 3rd Marquis of Manzanedo, Gentleman to H.M. the King of Spain, Deputy to the Cortes, and Knight Grand Cross of

The 1610 Padron de Santa Maria de los Lagos

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Hello all,

Does anyone know if there is, in fact, a 1610 padrón of the Villa de Santa María de los Lagos?

I have read that Santa María de los Lagos by Alfredo Moreno González contains a simple list of inhabitants transcribed from the original 1610 padrón. Unfortunately, I have not been able to locate a copy of the book.

Does anyone know more about the 1610 padrón, the original document, or where I might find the info from Moreno González’s book?

Thank you,
Travis

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1610 List of residents

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Good day.

I have a copy of the 1610 manuscript from Santa María de los Lagos. I am currently co-authoring an article on it with Jorge Barba and will gladly share the article as soon as it is finished. The list of residents (67) was made on the 15th of February 1610 by request of regidor Juan de Burgos and certified by Lorenzo de Padilla Dávila, alcalde ordinario.

Best regards,

Erik Andrés Reynoso y Márquez

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Hello Erik,

I’m excited to read your article. Thank you in advance for sharing it!

On the other hand, I’m a little afraid of all the questions—and revisions—it may bring to my family tree! Ha!

As someone relatively new to genealogy, I’m always amazed and impressed by the depth of knowledge and expertise shared by the members of this forum. I feel very fortunate to be part of this community and to have the opportunity to learn from all of you.

Thank you again,

Travis

Anytime!

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Hello Travis,

Anytime! By the way, we are also including an older list from 1570 contained within the same manuscript, which details the "Vecinos de Arriba" in the jurisdiction of Santa María de los Lagos. Given that Santa María de los Lagos was founded in 1563, this 1570 list is among the oldest in existence and includes many ancestors such as Alonso de Alba, Santiago de Pedrosa, the Macías, Álvaro de Ornelas, etc.

Best regards,

Erik

1669

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Travis,

In case you haven't already seen it, here is the link to the padrón for 1669. It is the earliest padrón I've seen for Santa María de los Lagos so far.

Good luck tracking down 1610.

Thank you

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Thank you for reading my post and replying with your suggestion.

Travis

Seeking copy of Diaz De Leon history as written by Guadalupe Diaz De Leon

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I am hoping someone that is still active on here has a copy of the 700 page manuscript by Guadalupe Diaz De Leon on the genealogical history of the Diaz De Leon family. I joined this community after coming across a post discussing the existence of it and (I believe) Felipe Reyes said he had scanned all 700 pages and had it digitally.

Seeking Donativo List for Don Salvador Muñoz de la Barba (Jalostotitlán / La Ciénega, 1780)

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Hello friends,

I hope everyone is doing well. I’m reaching out to the community because I’m working on a historical‑genealogical project that intersects both Los Altos de Jalisco research and American Revolutionary War lineage documentation.

Over the past year, I’ve been in active communication with both the DAR (Daughters of the American Revolution) and the SAR (Sons of the American Revolution) regarding my ancestor:

Don Salvador Manuel Muñoz de la Barba

(Vecino español of Jalostotitlán, Resident of Rancho La Ciénega, Comisario de la Acordada, Documented in 18th‑century parish and notarial records)

As many of you know, Spain supported the American Revolution through the Royal Donativo of 1780, ordered by King Carlos III, requiring heads of household, titled Spaniards, landowners, and Crown officials to contribute funds (typically dos pesos in rural Nueva Galicia).

Recently, the National SAR Lead Genealogist, Travis Franklin, reviewed my ancestor’s dossier. His official response clarified

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Estimado Francisco Javier…

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Estimado Francisco Javier,

Muchas gracias por tomarse el tiempo de responder a mi publicación sobre el Donativo de Don Salvador Muñoz de la Barba. Vi que apareció su nombre como respuesta, así que quise escribirle directamente.

Estoy investigando a profundidad la familia Muñoz de la Barba en Los Altos de Jalisco, especialmente el periodo de 1760–1800, y recientemente encontré un documento de 1781 donde aparece un Comisario de la Acordada llamado Don Salvador Barba, que podría corresponder a Salvador Manuel Muñoz de la Barba.

Me encantaría colaborar con usted si está interesado. Tengo:

el expediente eclesiástico de 1781,

notas sobre la familia en Jalostotitlán y La Ciénega,

análisis del libro Los Barba de Los Altos de Jalisco,

y otros documentos coloniales relacionados.

Con gusto comparto todo lo que tengo, y me encantaría saber si usted posee información adicional, documentos, o líneas familiares que puedan ayudar a confirmar esta conexión.

Quedo a sus órdenes y con mucho gusto seguimos la conversación.

Atentamente,
Mario Franco

Are Basilio Valdés (m. Catarina Anda Altamirano) & Basilio Valdés (m. Inés Pérez de Ruvalcaba) the same person?

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I stumbled upon another case where it seems likely two individuals are in actuality the same man...

There appear to be two men named Basilio de Valdés, both born around the same time. However, the available records strongly suggest that they were the same individual.

Basilio de Valdés of Teocaltiche

Pedro de Valdés and Leonor Tejada married on 2 January 1637 in Teocaltiche. Their known children include:

Juana de Valdés, b. c1640; confirmed in 1648 in Teocaltiche
Pedro de Valdés, b. 1641 in Teocaltiche
Basilio de Valdés, b. c1657; confirmed in 1666 in Teocaltiche; married Catarina de Anda Altamirano
- Magdalena de Valdés, b. 1676 in Teocaltiche; Española; married José Carrillo, Español, before 1695 in Teocaltiche

Basilio de Valdés and Catarina de Anda Altamirano have one known child, Magdalena Valdés, who married José Carrillo of Teocaltiche.

Basilio de Valdés and Inés Pérez de Ruvalcaba

A Basilio de Valdés also appears later as the husband of Inés Pérez de Ruvalcaba.

Inés was born in 1661 and marri

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The 1707 Información Matrimonial (IM) for Magdalena Valdés and Juan Pérez de Ornelas provides additional supporting evidence. It identifies Magdalena as the daughter of Basilio de Valdés and the deceased Catharina de Anda Altamirano, states that Basilio was a resident of Lagos, and identifies Magdalena as the widow of José Carrillo. It also states that Magdalena was originally from Teocaltiche but was then residing in Lagos.

The same IM identifies Juan Pérez de Ornelas as the son of Juan Pérez de Ornelas and Leonor de Ruvalcaba.

Are Sebastián Pérez (m. Isabel de Ávalos) & Sebastián Pérez (m. Leanor Ruvalcaba) the same person?

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I’d really appreciate serious researchers’ thoughts on this Sebastián Pérez question.

Having reviewed the reconstructed family trees, baptism and marriage dates, and the various dispensas, it has become increasingly apparent to me that Sebastián Pérez, husband of Isabel de Ávalos, and Sebastián Pérez, husband of Leanor Ruvalcaba, were likely the same individual.

A father-and-son relationship has been proposed for these two men, but the chronology makes that relationship difficult to accept. Based on the estimated birth dates of Sebastián Pérez's sisters, Ana Pérez and María Burgueño, both of whom appear to have been born before 1600 (having children born as early as 1615), the Sebastián Pérez who married Isabel de Ávalos would have been too young to have been the father of all three siblings if the two Sebastiáns were separate generations.

A more plausible explanation is that there was only one Sebastián Pérez. He first married Isabel de Ávalos and, following her death, subsequently

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I have long held the belief…

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I have long held the belief that Sebastián Pérez (born ~1600) married to Isabel de Ávalos and Sebastián Pérez married to Leonor González de Ruvalcaba are the same person. We know from various dispensas that the latter Sebastián's sisters were María Burgueño (b. ~1590) and Ana Pérez (b. ~1595) which would support the assumption that Sebastián married twice. Unfortunately, as you said, a supporting document has not yet been found to prove that they are the same person. Similarly, it seems reasonable that the parents of María Burgueño, Ana Pérez and Sebastián are Diego Pérez and Beatriz Burgueño, however, supporting documents have not yet been found to prove this.

Un cordial saludo,

Austin Pérez

I understand

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Hello Austin,

I'm relatively new to Colonial genealogy and still make mistakes, so I appreciate your thoughts on this subject, and I agree with your take.

In my own tree, I've merged the two Sebastians, with a note explaining that, while the circumstantial evidence for identifying them as the same person is quite strong, the identification has not been definitively proven.

I have particular interest in this family. We are descended from Juana Burgeño (married to Hernando Medel), Ana Pérez (married to Bartolomé Martín), and, of course, Sebastian Pérez. We also have other Pérez ancestors from Lagos during the same period (1620-1670), some of whom may be connected to the family of Diego Pérez.

An addendum ...

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Hello Austin,

The craziest thing happened today...

I was scrolling through 1670s marriage records on FamilySearch when I stumbled upon the marriage record of my 7th great-grandmother. That discovery led to the identity of her parents—and then her grandparents: the infamous philanderer Sebastián Pérez and his wife, Josefa de Casteñeda!

It’s truly a small world (in the 1600s at least).

Thank you,

Travis

Nice!I too recently located…

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Nice!

I too recently located additional information on Sebastián's second marriage to María Garcia, daughter of José García Rodríguez and Margarita Gutiérrez del Castillo.

Información matrimonial con María García, "México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-2022," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-K99Z-7M?cc=1874591&wc=3J8F-ZNR%3A172124201%2C172124202%2C175498001 : 17 May 2026), Lagos de Moreno > Santa María de los Lagos > Información matrimonial 1719-1720 > image 267 of 722; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.
Matrimonio con María García, "México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-2022," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VY9X-1L?cc=1874591&wc=3JZR-SPD%3A172124201%2C172124202%2C176821801 : 28 June 2014), Lagos de Moreno > Santa María de los Lagos > Matrimonios 1711-1720 > image 109 of 137; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

Thank you

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Thank you for sharing this!

Introduction: Researching Rosales, Dueñas, Saldívar & Valadez (Asientos, AGS / Ojo Caliente & Bimbaletes, ZAC)

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Hello Everyone,

My name is Norma (Username: Normrivmat), and I am very grateful to be accepted into the Nuestros Ranchos community. My research focuses heavily on the border regions of eastern Aguascalientes and southeastern Zacatecas, specifically around Real de Asientos, Ojo Caliente, and Bimbaletes.

My Fully Documented Lineage:

Grandmother: M. Leonor Rosales Saldívar (b. May 14, 1908, Real de Asientos, AGS).Her birthday is also known as April 11, 1908 She married J. Rafael Dueñas Valadez on February 9, 1928, at Las Norias de Guadalupe, Bimbaletes, ZAC.
Great-Grandparents: Susano Rosales & Ambrosia Saldívar. I have verified their parentage via their March 16, 1895, Marriage Investigation file from Ojo Caliente, ZAC.
Great-Great-Grandparents: Genaro Rosales & Dionisia Vázquez. Genaro passed away on April 6, 1906, in Real de Asientos, AGS (calculated birth year ~1846).

What I Am Searching For & Why:

My primary brick wall is finding the parentage of my great-great-grandfather, Genaro Rosales

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Rosales paternal line.

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Hola Norma,

I have the following genealogy for your Rosales paternal line. Un cordial Saludo!

Austin Pérez

1. Wenceslao Rosales married María de los Dolores Macías on 18 April 1825 in Encarnación. Wenceslao is the son of Matías Rosales and Ambrosia Campos; and María de los Dolores is the daughter of Pablo Macías and Juana García (probably the source of the García last name used in later generations mentioned in Manny's post).

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-2022," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-V5SM-8X?cc=1874591&wc=3JZW… : 9 August 2021), Encarnación de Díaz > La Encarnación > Matrimonios 1778-1830 > image 697 of 840; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

2. Matías Rosales married María de los Dolores Macías about Feb 1817 in Asientos. Their 'información matrimonial' (prenuptial investigation) names Matías as the son of Agustín Rosales and Feliciana Amador; and María de los Dolores is the daughter of Victorino Campos and Luciana Candelas.

"México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1601-1962," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DZDS-JT8?cc=1502404&wc=M6Q… : 30 September 2020), Asientos > Nuestra Señora de Belén > Información matrimonial 1816-1818 > image 236 of 696; parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes).

3. Agustín Pioquinto Rosales married María Feliciana de Amador on 28 Aug 1777 in Ciénega de Rincón. Agustín is the son of Jerónimo Rosales and María de la Torre; and María Feliciana's parents are unknown as she was registered in her marriage records as 'hija de padres no conocidos'. María Feliciana also used the last name of Castillo.

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-2022," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JP61-K?cc=1874591&wc=3JHP-7M9%3A171936601%2C171934502%2C172813301 : 17 May 2026), Ciénega de Mata > Inmaculada Concepción > Información matrimonial 1777-1779 > image 82 of 474; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

"México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-2022," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-J54R-2?cc=1874591&wc=3JHT-BZ9%3A171936601%2C171934502%2C173526701 : 9 August 2021), Ciénega de Mata > Inmaculada Concepción > Matrimonios 1757-1812 > image 185 of 577; parroquias Católicas (Catholic Church parishes), Jalisco.

4. Jerónimo Rosales married María de la Torre on 3 Feb 1744 in Aguascalientes. Jerónimo is the son of Jerónimo Rosales and Josefa Romo; María is the daughter of Juan de la Torre and María de Luevana.

"México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1601-1962," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRW9-TY4?cc=1502404&wc=M6QF-SM9%3A64894501%2C64894502%2C70237001 : 20 May 2014), Aguascalientes > Asunción de María > Información matrimonial 1743-1744 > image 713 of 718; parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes).

"México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1601-1962," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTDQ-J6Y?cc=1502404&wc=M6QF-2P8%3A64894501%2C64894502%2C107332501 : 20 May 2014), Aguascalientes > Asunción de María > Matrimonios 1736-1750 > image 273 of 522; parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes).

5. Jerónimo Rosales married Josefa Romo on or after Apr 1709 in Aguascalientes. Jerónimo is the son of Francisco Rosales and Josefa García; Josefa is the daughter of Francisco Romo de Vivar and Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza.

"México, Aguascalientes, registros parroquiales, 1620-1962," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DRD3-21P?cc=1502404&wc=M6QF-MNP%3A64894501%2C64894502%2C70018301 : 20 May 2014), Aguascalientes > Asunción de María > Información matrimonial 1708-1710 > image 204 of 578; parroquias Católicas, Aguascalientes (Catholic Church parishes, Aguascalientes).

Genaro & Dionisia

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Hola Norma:

According to the baptism records of their children, Genaro was the son of Wenceslao Rosales and Maria Dolores Macias, who were apparently from Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. Here is the marriage record of his parents:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:684P-9DZ1?lang=en

Maria Dionisia Vazquez also used the surname Garcia (they are the same person; if you notice, on son Buenaventura’s baptism record, she is called Garcia, while on his death registry, she’s called Vazquez). The names of her parents vary in the records (and so do those of Genaro’s parents on the baptism records of twins Juan & Juana). This was a common mistake, especially in towns where the parents' didn't originate. Here are the baptism records I've found for their children:

Barbara Rosales Vasquez: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6M8M-CYPZ?lang=en
Twins Juan & Juana Rosales Vasquez:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6MN4-ZH2M?lang=en
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6MXB-47T2?lang=en
Magdaleno Rosales Garcia: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6D2C-8MQT?lang=en
Daniel Rosales Garcia: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJ7X-4RHD?lang=en
Buenaventura Rosales Garcia (baptism): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6ZJP-6YXS?lang=en
Buenaventura Rosales Vasquez (death):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLT3-Z1DX?lang=en

The earliest are in Fresnillo, Zac, so that might be a good place to look for their marriage record.

I hope that helps! Welcome to the group!
Saludos,
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Baptism record of Genaro Rosales

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Hola de nuevo,

Here's the baptism record of Genaro Rosales: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6845-8V6C?lang=en

Baptized 17 Jul 1836, 7 days old; they listed his mother as Maria Dolores Mendez, though they have her parents' names correct. "Mendez" might be a typo, or maybe it's an ancestral surname.

Saludos!

Manny