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I’ve found another Tierras y Aguas folder that’s filled with easter eggs, this one with families from early Lagos de Moreno: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-63GW-X?view=explo…

Dated 28 Sep 1674, it’s regarding a dispute between Juana Tavera (widow of Jacinto de Lariz) and Capitan Andres Ramirez de Cueva. To establish their claims, the two had to present land titles and other documentation, so we’re treated to the history of the lands in question, and to the names of all of the people who owned them since the arrival of the Spaniards. There are documents dating back to the founding of Lagos de Moreno - including a copy of the original charter given to Hernando Martel, dated 15 Jan 1563 (image 509). There are also titles that passed through cabildos in 1568 & 1569, which included Lorenzo Alvarez, Luis Lopez, Alonso Macias, Juan Becerra, Toribio Hernandez, and other early notables. Following are some relationships revealed throughout these documents - of interest to me, are those regarding the descendants of Capitan Francisco Tavera. But first, the plaintiffs and their claims:

Andres Ramirez de Cueva inherited his sitio from his parents, Sebastian Ramirez cc Ana de Cueva Herrera y Sandoval, who in turn, purchased it from Madre Luisa de San Juan, religiosa del Convento de la Limpia Concepcion in Mexico City, who inherited it from her parents, Antonio de Mena y Delgadillo cc Beatriz de Herrera; Antonio de Mena was son of Capn. Hernando de Mena cc Maria Delgadillo, who was daughter of Francisco de Mata cc Isabel de Vellosillo, who were early pobladores of Lagos and the original owners of the sitio, and who bequeathed it to their son, Padre Pedro de Mena clerigo, who bequeathed it to his nephew, Antonio de Mena. There’s also talk of another piece of land that passed through the hands of Nicolas de Esquivel and brothers Casimiro y Diego Lopez de Lara, though I only skimmed through that part.

Juana Tavera - Her sitio was donated to her, half, by her maternal grandfather, Capitan Francisco Tavera, and the other half, by the heirs of his widow, Luisa de Nava. And everything I thought I knew about Juana Tavera, I’ve gotten wrong: at the time in question, she was the widow of Jacinto de Lariz, but we learn that she was first married to Miguel Hernandez Ñagas. As for her parents, they were Agustin Izquierdo and Ana Godinez Tavera; 
Ana Godinez Tavera - and this is another one that a lot of us have gotten wrong - was the daughter of Capitan Francisco Tavera. Her mother is not named, but she isn’t the daughter of Luisa de Nava, who Francisco Tavera married in 1600, since Ana was born about a decade earlier. According to a declaration made by her father in 1613 (image 565), he had promised Ana a dowry when she married Agustin Izquierdo some 3 years previous, placing their marriage around 1610. After Izquierdo’s death, she married Francisco Sanchez Moreno on 27 Sep 1620, and is likely the same Ana Tavera who married Juan de Vega on 13 Apr 1633: Juan de Vega appeared as a copadrino with Ana’s daughter, Juana Tavera, shortly after that marriage, and I think he and Ana might have been the parents of Catalina de Oran y Vega, who married Joseph Macias Valades y Alvarez, which would reconcile the kinship proposed in the Felix Acosta/Maria Landeros dispensa, which has Catalina de Oran (who is mistakenly called Catalina Macias) as the sister of Juana Tavera:

Catalina (sic Macias)-1-Juana Tavera
Ursula Macias-2-Maria de Lariz
Felix de Acosta-3-Juana Gonz de Lariz
-     -     -     -     -4-Maria Landeros
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6RSK-M1?i=93&wc=3J4W-G…

Another dispensa linked to this family group is that of Francisco Medellin cc Fabiana Gonz de Rubalcava, which reveals that Juana Tavera was sister of Maria Izquierdo y Tavera de la Vega, who married Diego Diaz Varela:

Juana Tavera-1-Maria Izquierdo Tavera
Antonio Hernandez-2-Ana Diaz Varela
Mariana de Alba-3-Fabiana Gonz de Rubalcava
Francisco Medellin-4
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6K94-6K?i=279&wc=12512…

CAPITAN FRANCISCO TAVERA
As for Capitan Francisco Tavera, we are treated to a partial transcription of his testamento (image 576) - unfortunately, it’s only the cabeza and the clause in which he talks about the land in question, so we don’t get to know the names of his other children, nor who their mother (or mothers) are - but we do learn where he was born, and who his parents were: he was a native of the “pueblo de Muñoz, tierras de Salamanca,” and his parents were Antonio Tavera and Isabel Lopez Godino.

When presented as a witness on 15 Aug 1622 for the ordination of Diego de Ortiz Saavedra, Francisco Tavera declared that he had married the postulant’s maternal grandmother, Luisa de Nava, the year before Diego was born (he was baptized 12 Aug 1601, so they married mid-1600). Luisa de Nava was the widow of Francisco Muñoz. This is verified by the above mentioned donation of half-a-sitio, made on 15 Aug 1622 (image 566) by their 3 sons-in-law, Diego de Ortiz Saavedra, Juan de Isasi, and Marcos de Villalva, on behalf of their wives, Catalina, Sebastiana, and Ines Muñoz, respectively, as daughters and heirs of Luisa de Nava, who by that time, was deceased.

Reading back through the archives I found a post that states Mr Jaime Holcomb believed Pedro Ortiz de Anda (born c1560) was the natural son of Pedro de Anda Altamirano (c1535-1619). 

He also believed Isabel Ortiz de Anda (cc Pedro Gómez de Portugal), Pedro Ortiz de Anda (cc Ana Ramírez) and Catalina Ortiz de Anda (cc Esteban de Pastrano) were all also natural children (born outside of marriage) of the above Pedro Ortiz de Anda. 

Has there been any research on this family recently that validates or disproves Mr Holcomb's views?

Thank you. 

Travis

I found this document: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-XHJM?i=71&cat=198356

I dont know much about this family but it may help someone. It mentions Diego Padilla Davila son of Lorenzo Padilla Davila and Isabel Castro Mesa

Also mentions Diego's uncle Francisco Reynoso and aunt Alfonsa/Aldonza Hijar

UPDATED:

[I deleted most of my original comment. Additional information is now available that makes my original theory untenable.]

Juana Gómez, Joachin Gómez, Ynes Gómez and Gaspar Gómez are all listed in the 1669 Padrón de Santa María de los Lagos as part of the household of Antonio de Aguirre and his wife, Isabel Gómez AKA Ortiz (daughter of Pedro Gómez de Portugal and Isabel Ortiz de Anda):

estancia o casa de Antonio deaguirre
Ysavel Gomez Sumuger - ++
Juana gomez Soltera - ++
Pedro martin casado con - ++
Ynes gomez - ++
Joachin gomez - ++
gaspar gomez - ++
Magdalena Gutierres sumuger - ++

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KTXV

My family is descended from three of the four (Juana, Gaspar and Joachin), so the question of their identity is important to us. 

I originally proposed some or all of them were Isabel's children by a previous relationship. I was wrong. Newly discovered information now verifies the relationships between Juana, Joachin and Gaspar Gómez, as well as sets the estimated dates of birth for Juana and Gaspar back considerably to be more in line with the date of birth of Isabel Gómez AKA Ortiz. She cannot be their mother, but may instead be their sister. 

A 1709 Dispensa Matrimonial establishes:

• Juana Gómez and Gaspar Gómez are hermanos.
• Joachin Gómez is Juana's son and Gaspar's nephew.
• Gaspar Gómez is married to Magdalena de Ayala AKA Gutiérrez AKA del Vargas (as seen in the 1669 padrón), and they share a son named Antonio.
• Maria Gómez is daughter of Joachin Gómez and Juana de Ysassi, and is granddaughter of Juana Gomez. She and her cousin, Antonio Gómez, are engaged to be married.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSXG-6SW6-7

• Juana Gómez (hereafter referred to as Juana Gomez AKA de Anda) may be identified as Juana Gómez, daughter of Pedro Gómez de Portugal and Isabel Ortiz de Anda, and sister of Isabel Gómez AKA Ortiz.
• Juana serves as madrina alongside her father, Pedro Gómez de Portugal, who is padrino in a 1663 baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5TV-1
• Gaspar Gómez is identified as Juana's brother in both the 1709 dispensa matrimonial above and in a 1635 baptism, where she is called Juana de Anda: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5TH-J
• In the baptismal record for Gaspar's son Pedro Gómez, padrinos are "Pedro Gómez Portugal and Ysabel Ortiz": https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G5BR-X
• In the 1674 marriage record of Gaspar's son, "Nicolás Gómez de Portugal," Gaspar is referred to as Gaspar Gómez de Portugal (Gaspar's 1st wife, Ana de Quesada, is stated to be deceased at this time): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KR24
• Nicolás Gómez de Portugal (son of Gaspar) marries María Díaz AKA de Ysassi, sister of Juana de Ysassi (wife of his 1st cousin Joachin Gómez, son of Juana Gómez AKA de Anda) and Ygnacio de Ysassi (husband of his half-sister Gertrudis Gómez):  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KR24

While I'm certain Ynes Gómez AKA Hortis (from the de Aguirre household in the 1669 padron) is related to this group, the nature of this relationship isn't yet determined.

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Below are transcriptions from the 1676 Padron de Lagos concerning the Aguirre and allied households and afterwards a tree with all sources cited.

Transcription of the household of Antonio de Aguirre and Isabel Gómez AKA Ortiz, from image 49 of the 1676 Padron de Santa Maria de los Lagos:

Rancho de Ant.o deaguirre
Ant.o deAguirre Esp C++
Ysabel Ortiz ++
Joseph de aguirre S++
Ant.o Ortiz s++
Ju.o de aguirre Esp de 11años

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KYM7

From image 30 of the 1676 Padron de Santa María de los Lagos:

Cassa de Joseph Sanches
Joseph Sanches Esp C++ [husband of Aldonza Ortiz of about 4 years at this time]
Aldonza ortiz de Aguirre Esp++ [Aldonza uses both parents' surnames despite being born almost 10 years before their marriage in 1666] 
Nicolas de Aguirre niño de 9 años [son of Antonio de Aguirre and Isabel Gómez AKA Ortiz, younger brother of Aldonza]
Pasqual Delacruz Y C++ [Servant?]
thereza Ma Y ++ [Servant?]

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KYNC

From image 31 of the 1676 Padron de Santa María de los Lagos:

Cassa de Cat.n de Ortega
Cat.n de Ortega Esp V++  [Catalina de Ortega, viuda de Bartolome Martín]
Nicolas martín Esp s++ [son of Catalina de Ortega and Bartolome Martín]
P.o martín C++ Ynes gomes ++ [Pedro Martín, son of Catalina de Ortega and Bartolome Martín. Husband of Ynes Gómez]
Ysabel martin Esp s++ [daughter of Pedro Martín and Ynés Gómez, namesake of Isabel Gómez AKA Ortiz or Isabel Ortiz de Anda?]

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9K8-KY6R

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Below is a tree based upon the latest information:

***Unproven children in italics***

Hola a todos.

He encontrado encontrado en la pagina de
http://www.geni.com/people/Juan-Pantoja-De-Mendoza/6000000008718635886
que Bernardina Mendoza, esposa de Gonzalo Nuñez de Sotomayor, fue
descendiente de Inés Alvarez de Toledo y esta última
fue descendiente de los duques de Alba. esto me parece muy interesante
ya que Bernardina Mendoza es mi ancestro, pero
las fechas de nacimiento no son lógicas ya que Bernardina Mendoza
tiene como año de nacimiento el 1533 y Luis Hurtado
de Mendoza (esposo de Inés Alvares de Toledo) tiene como año de
nacimiento el 1500. como se ve en 33 años no pueden existir 4 generaciones.
Mis preguntas hacia el foro son, ¿habrá un error en las fechas? o
¿simplemente no hay relación entre Bernardina Mendoza y Luis Hurtado de
Mendoza?

Agradesco la aclaración que presten a mi gran duda.

Saludos.
Atentamente:
Mario González

Hello everyone,

I just found a record that has been eluding me for a very long time. If anyone is interested it is a very interesting read. As mentioned the couple is Joseph Moreno de Ortega and Petrolina Ramirez married in Lagos de Moreno 1708.

If you are interested the 10 page document can be found under Lagos de Moreno: Informaciones Matrimoniales 1708-1709: images 159-169

the basic facts are as follows ... however, as I mentioned it is an interesting read ... you rarely find more than names and dates and this one tells of a love story between a young man from a “familia de calidad” and a young woman of “baja esphera” .... just thought I’d share.

couple: Joseph Moreno de Ortega & Petrolina Ramirez
date of record: July 29 1708
Groom's parents: Juan Moreno de Ortega & Beatris Vazquez Zermeño
Bride's parents: Nicolas Ramirez & Andrea de los Reyes
groom age: 25 (1683)
bride age: 21 (1687)

Enjoy,
-Angelina-

Buenos días.

Hace algunos años tuvimos una interesante conversación sobre Juan de Pantoja, padre de Bernardina de Mendoza y Pantoja y esposa de Gonzalo Núñez de Soto.

La filiación es descrita en los méritos del Lic. Sebastián de la Peña y Mendoza, hijo de Baltasar de la Peña y de Catalina de Mendoza y Pantoja, nieto materno de Gonzalo Núnez de Soto y de Bernardina de Mendoza, bisnieto de Juan de Pantoja (MERITOS: Sebastián de Lapeña y Mendoza. Archivo General de Indias, 1664, INDIFERENTE,120,N.74, Imagen 7)

Juan de Pantoja, uno de los primeros conquistadores de la Nueva España y regidor de la ciudad de Pátzcuaro hizo un informe de méritos en 1577 el cual se encuentra aquí:

Datos interesantes: se nombra a su esposa como Catalina de Medina, hija de Domingo de Medina (uno de los primeros pobladores de la Nueva España que pasó con Cortés y después fue vecino de Michoacán teniendo la Encomienda de Tancítaro)
Varios testigos indican que es caballero hijodalgo notorio de mucha calidad y natural de Medellín. Además pasó a la Nueva España con su tío Pedro de Pantoja.

El hecho de que sea natural de Medellín podría indicarnos que perteneció al linaje de Juan de Pantoja el cual testó en Medellín el 14 de Noviembre de 1482, y de su esposa Elvira Álvarez de Mendoza, hija de Alfón Durán y de Aldonza Vázquez de Sandoval. De ser así el apellido Mendoza que en tantas generaciones se perpetuó vendría por el lado del regidor Juan de Pantoja.

Aquí pueden leer el documento: https://fromthepage.lib.utexas.edu/llilasbenson/colonial-mss/conquistad…

Saludos,

Erik Andrés Reynoso.

Hello

I have seen the term "enero proxima pasado" on a birth registration. Date of registration is February in 1911, date of birth is 29 January. 

AI says the term indicates that the birth was in January of the year before (that would be in 1910). However, I am not sure AI is correct. Anyone else ever interpret this term/phrase?

The birth registration itself is from Guanajuato which is off-topic, but the issue is one that could show up in records from Jalisco and Zacatecas - which share a border with Guanajuato - and Aguascalientes. (One branch of the family in question - Araiza - may have come originally from Jalisco.) 

Best regards

Denise Fastrup

Genealogía de la expansión de las familias troncales que poblaron las orillas orientales y Norte de Los Altos. Segunda mitad del siglo XVI.

Se desprendían desde Guadalajara hacia Teocaltiche., de ahí hacia Jalostotitlan, Lagos, San Miguel el Alto, San Juan de los Lagos, Mirandilla, Valle de Guadalupe, Tepatitlán y Guadalajara de nuevo.

De estas mismas ramas, hubo desplazamientos hacia León (familia Ulloa y Parada Aguilar), Silao, Celaya e Irapuato (familia Martín), Gto.
De Jalostotitlán, salió la familia Garza para fundar la ciudad de Monterrey, NL.
(Ordenanzas de colonización de 1573).

TRONCOS FAMILIARES PRINCIPALES

1. Lomelí, Gallo, González (provenientes de Yahualica).
2. Padilla, Reynoso.
3. Issasi, Serrano, Sanromán, Ortiz de Parada, Hermosillo.
4. Pérez, Franco, Padilla, Jiménez, Reynoso, González
5. Barba, González.

Fuente: Sociedad y conflicto en los Altos de Jalisco. Pág. 87, citado por Gtz, Gtz J.A. 1989. Colección Regiones. CONACULTA.

Escribo esto, porque una persona de nombre Steven, asegura equivocadamente que los apellidos Lomelín, Isassi, Lavezares y Sigala, provienen de italianos que se asentaron en Los Altos, lo cual es inexacto.
Lomelín es de origen moro, asentado en Granada y Córdoba al Sur de España. Ya en 1624 un portador de este apellido era Don Pedro Lomelín.
Isassi es de origen totalmente vasco, siendo uno de sus representantes don Francisco Isassi de Olavarría.
Lavezares, proviene de la provincia de Vizcaya, donde destaca el militar Guido de Lavezares
Sigala proviene de Palma de Mallorca y su escudo consta de un águila de plata con las patas y garras puestas hacia arriba en situación de ataque.

Saludos, Vicente de San Miguel.

I'm descended from don Juan Cristobal de Luna y Tapía through a few of his children. He's the purchaser (1690s) of a piece of land in Lagos de Moreno, known as Cañada de los Indios Ricos (modern Cañada de Ricos).

 Any information on the following family would be helpful: 

1st generation: don Juan Cristobal de Luna y Tapía born about 1635 cc Beatris Inés. (Probable brother or 1st cousin of don Francisco de Luna born about 1637 and died abt. 1686, married doña Ana Catarina de la Cruz). 

2nd generation:

- Miguel Jacinto de Luna y Tapía born bef. 1652 in Encinillas, Ojuelos, Jalisco. 

- Pasquala Magdalena de Luna y Tapía born before 1657 probably in Encinillas, Ojuelos, Jalisco. 

- don Patricio de Luna y Tapía born before 1666 probably in Encinillas, Ojuelos, Jalisco cc doña María de la Encarnación de Alarcon (AKA María de la Cruz). 

- Andrea de la Cruz (AKA Andrea de Luna) born before 1667 in Encinillas, Ojuelos, Jalisco. 

- Cristobal de Luna y Tapía born about 1667 in Encinillas, Ojuelos, Jalisco. 

- Rita de Luna born about May 1670 in Encinillas, Ojuelos, Jalisco. 

- doña Alfonsa de Luna born about 1672 in Encinillas, Ojuelos, Jalisco. 

All the above are noted as INDIO in records, and many are noted as don, doña, cacique and/or principale, prior to and after the purchase of Cañada de Ricos. 

According to records, don Juan Cristobal de Luna y Tapía spoke Nahuatl. This fact, plus the marriage patterns of the next 2 to 3 generations of his family lead me to believe that the Luna y Tapía family were Tlaxcalan in origin not Otomi, as many suggest. 

Any information or theories about the de Luna y Tapía families of Cañada de Ricos, Encinillas and Ciénega de Mata are welcome. 

Thank you. 

Best, 

Travis

Hello everyone!

Can anyone direct me to resources available in print or online, that specifically addresses the Tlaxcalan and Otomi families of Las Lagunas, Buenavista and the Pueblo de Moya?

I purchased and read Mario Gómez Mata's book, INDIOS, but it reads more as an historical narrative of the pueblos - which it is - but not as a genealogical work. 

The majority of our Indio ancestors are Tlaxcala and Otomi and from very specific families: Rhea, Hernández del Aguila, San Joseph, de Luna y Tapia, etc. 

Has anyone compiled the genealogies of the founding and early families of the Pueblos in Lagos de Moreno? 

I'm trying to document our ancestors from Moya and Buenavista, but it's like pulling teeth to trace them prior to 1660 or so, with all the surname changes. 

In one document, someone may be named Pedro de la Cruz and another, he's Pedro Hernándes, and then in a third document, he'll be called, Pedro del Aguila. It's a very tedious process, and I don't want to reinvent the wheel here if someone else has done this work already. 

Does anyone here have any suggestions?

Best,

Travis

Decided to start a new thread on this: 

in an earlier post, Daniel Méndez Camino said: 

"Sebastián Pérez de Ornelas, my tenth great-grandfather, married Leonor González de Ruvalcaba, daughter of Juan González de Ruvalcaba and Leonor Franco de Paredes. I don't know if this Ornelas is related to the same family that settled in Los Altos, but I've only seen a few people with the surname Pérez de Ornelas; I don't know its origin."

My ancestor, Juan Pérez, AKA Juan de Santoyo, born about (or before) 1624 (probably in Lagos), had a probable relative named Gerónima de Ornelas. 

Listed in Juan's household in the 1669 Padron de Santa María de los Lagos is Gerónima de Ornelas, Viuda, living with Juan's widow, Antonia de Villegas, AKA Antonia de Mendoza, and their children (all of Juan and Antonia's known and suspected children assumed surnames of Santoyo, Pérez, Villegas and/or Mendoza).

I have no idea how Gerónima de Ornelas is related to Juan Pérez (AKA Juan de Santoyo). Sister? Mother? Daughter? Daughter-in-law?

The order in which she is listed in the household infers she is not a servant but a relative. 

But i cannot help but think there may be a connection between my ancestor Juan Pérez (AKA Juan de Santoyo) and Sebastián Pérez de Ornelas (who is also my ancestor thru his daughter Inés).

At least 2 of Juan's grandchildren were named Sebastián.

I read another post earlier this week that stated an unknown daughter of María Rubio and Diego Pérez (died late 1620's) had a son named "Juan Pérez." Could this son be the same person as my ancestor, Juan Pérez (AKA Juan de Santoyo), who was probably born mid 1620s (about 1624)?

Any thoughts, advice or theories are welcome. 

Thank you. 

Best regards,

Travis

This is going to sound like a paid advertisement so delete right now if it gives any of you that type of flavor. I've heard that AI can assist with genealogical research and I think it really can. Now the example I've listed below was for a very simple transcription/translation but the possibilities are there. Also there is a free version but I'm used the $49/year version which gives you a limit on usage per day almost double the free version but it also gives you access to the more advanced ai versions. Basically I went to Poe.com and subscribed to the "starter" version which gives you 10,000 points to use per day (use or lose). I've understood that the below example only used a small amount of points but just use the free version for simple examples. I simply asked it to translate the uploaded document (attached below) into English and preserve the original spellings of names and got the below. For us beginners who have limited Spanish this might be the or one of the tools to use:

Translate this into English and preserve original spellings of names. 

9:44 AM Claude-Opus-4.6 Thinking... Let me carefully transcribe and translate this Mexican Catholic baptismal record from the early 19th century. Let me read through the handwritten Spanish text:

 "En la Yglesia de Santa Maria a dies y nuebe de Henero de mil ochocientos onze. Yoel Presbitero D. Jose Thadeo Suares, Bautize solemnemente a Maria Guadalupe Española de Guacasso de quince dias de nacida en lunes. hija Legitima de Pedro Flores, y Maria Josefa Tamires, Abuelos Paternos Jose Flores, y Maria Ynes. Maternos Diego Ram[ire]z y Maria Luiza. Padrinos Dionicio Marquez y Maria Rafaela Aguiñes adverti su obligacion y parentesco Espiritual y para que conste lo firme con el Snr.

I'm seeing the signatures at the bottom—Cayetano de Ybarra and Dhé Thadeo Juarez—but let me re-examine the text more carefully since some of the handwriting is difficult to parse. Looking back at the opening, it appears the location might be Guadalajara rather than what I initially read, and I need to verify the exact spelling of some of the family names and dates. I'm parsing through this baptism record from 1811 in the Church of Santa Maria, identifying the key details: the priest Jose Thadeo Suares performed the ceremony for Maria Guadalupe, noting her racial designation as "Española" and her parents Pedro Flores and Maria Josefa Tamires, along with the godparents and their spiritual obligations. I'm realizing the "Guada" is likely just a line break interrupting a word, probably part of the year or an abbreviation rather than "Guadalajara." Given the citation references Santa María de los Angeles, the church name is already established, so I should focus on parsing the date itself—it appears to read January 19, 1811, with the text continuing across lines in a way that's fragmenting my initial reading. I'm second-guessing the line breaks and trying to parse where "Guadalajara" fits in—it could be a location reference in the margin or woven into the text itself. Looking more carefully at the structure, I think the date spans across lines, with the year "mil ochocientos onze" appearing on the second line, and the priest's name "Jose Thadeo Suarez" continuing from there. The margin notes seem to reference "Española" and "Guacasco," though I'm wondering if "Guadalajara" might actually be the parish location rather than what I initially thought.

Now I'm reconstructing the full baptism record—it appears to document the baptism of Maria Guadalupe on January 19, 1811, performed by Priest Jose Thadeo Suarez, with details about her parents, grandparents, and godparents, followed by signatures from the priest and the parish official. The second signature might read "José Thadeo Suarez" rather than what I initially parsed, and I'm working through the translation to capture the formal ecclesiastical language accurately. I'm working through the uncertain readings in this baptismal record—the mother's surname could be Ramirez rather than Tamires, and I need to verify the godparents' names more carefully, particularly whether the godfather is Marquez or something similar, and whether the godmother's surname is Aguiñes or Aquines. The signature at the end also needs clarification—it looks like it could be either Juarez or Suarez for the second signer.

Translation In the Church of Santa Maria, on the nineteenth of January of one thousand eight hundred and eleven [January 19, 1811], I, the Priest D. Jose Thadeo Suares, solemnly baptized Maria Guadalupe, Española [Spanish], from Guacasso, fifteen days old, born on a Monday, legitimate daughter of Pedro Flores and Maria Josefa Tamires. Paternal grandparents: Jose Flores and Maria Ynes. Maternal [grandparents]: Diego Ram[irez] and Maria Luiza. Godparents: Dionicio Marquez and Maria Rafaela Aguiñes. I advised them of their obligation and spiritual kinship, and so that it may be recorded, I signed it with the Señor Cura [parish priest]. [Signed] Cayetano de Ybarra — Jhé Thadeo Suarez ________________________________________ Notes: • "Española" refers to the colonial-era caste/racial classification indicating Spanish descent. • "Guacasso" appears to be the locality or rancho of origin. • The marginal annotations on the left read "Española" and "Guacasso." • The parish is Santa María de los Angeles, Jalisco, per the citation. 9:44 AM

Estimado compañeros:

Alguien tiene mayor información sobre las siguientes personas? Todos casados en Aguascalientes y el último deberia ser en Lagos de Moreno o Teocaltiche.

María Ruiz de Esparza casada con Nicolás de Castro el 14 de mayo de 1673

María Ruiz de Esparza casada con Marcos Macías Valadés ca. 1670

María Ruiz de Esparza casada con Nicolás González el 22 de diciembre de 1659

Sebastián Pérez de Ornelas, mi décimo bisabuelo casado Leonor González de Ruvalcaba hija de Juan González de Ruvalcaba y Leonor Franco de Paredes. No sé si este Ornelas es pariente de la misma familia quien se asentó en Los Altos, pero solo he visto algunas personas con el apellido Pérez de Ornelas, no sé su origen.

Gracias,
Daniel Méndez Camino

Many years ago I was extremely happy to locate a Guadalajara Marriage Dispensa for my direct ancestors Pedro de Santiago Rubio and his marriage with Marcelina Navarrete year 1715 in Guachinango. The record answered many questions however I have not advanced past the Dispensa. I have looked everywhere, and have followed the guidance of many over the years but still nothing new to advance me past the year 1715 record.  

I'm searching for information for Francisco de Santiago and his wife Barbara Rubio.  I have absolutely no information for them other than they were the parents of Pedro de Santiago Rubio as indicated on the dispensa.  I believe Barbara Rubio was living in Mascota before living in Guachinango.  I don't know when and where she married Francisco de Santiago. I estimate that Barbara Rubio was born approximately year 1665. And my best estimates are that Francisco de Santiago may be originally from Guachinango/Amatlan/Tepuzhuacan and born approximately year 1665.

Thank you community for your assistance.

Saludos,

Andy Rubio

When I read, some time ago, that virtually all families with roots in our area of interest are descendants of "Capitanes" Diego Romo de Vivar and Lope Ruis de Esparza, I thought probably that was not my case because at that time I was under the impresion that most of my father's ancestry was from Jerez and Guadalupe (Zacatecas) and my mother's mostly from Guanajuato and as far as I was aware then no Romo nor Ruiz Esparza have come out in my research. Well, I was dead wrong! obviously my research was very weak then, but as years passed and my research skill developed I came to the conclusion that on my father's family with the excepción of the Cabral main line that comes from my father's father and great grand father, on many of my father's mother's side I was overwhelmed when I discovered so many lines that joined those two families, all of them in Rincón de Romos which looks like a cradle. I tend to think that my case is by no means exceptional but mostly very common (am I right?). For instance, on the Ruiz de Esparza y Navarro family, I discovered I am direct descendant of Lorenzo, Martín, María, Salvador and Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza y Navarro, and to Jacinto I have a couple of lines that merge with him. On the Romo de Vivar family things are quite similar, multiple lines end there in Diego Romo de Vivar. Clearly, most of both names come together multiple times in my family. It is so because my ancestors ("sosa" numbers)18, 19, 21, 23 and also 33 have this multiple lines. When more carefully looking at those two families in the family search trees I see why it is said we all are part of that families at some point: they are prolific. Surely not everybody have discovered the links or maybe have non. But even so, since we all have many other lines in our are, clearly we all are "primos".

Hello everyone! I’m very excited to be part of this group and am hoping for assistance in researching my family history.

I am searching for information about my grandfather, who lived and passed away in Los Angeles, California, in 1994. He lived under a different name in the United States, but I have some details about his family of origin in Mexico. His parents were Demetria Gomez and Celestino Martinez from Villa Obregón, Cañadas de Obregón, Mexico. I believe his birth name may have been Ventura Gomez Martinez, although this has not been officially confirmed. He also had a brother named Maximino Martinez. I knew Maximino and his family, but they are not aware of the earlier family history.

I have come across several family surnames in my research, including Martin, Martinez, Barajas, Gomez, and Reynosa. While I have found information on other members of the family, I have located only one record connected to Ventura Martinez.

I am hoping to connect with long-lost relatives or anyone who may have additional information. Any guidance or insight would be greatly appreciated.

All,

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Hello everyone, my name is Alejandra Araujo. I have done a ton of research on most branches of my family history. Currently, I would like to ask if anyone has any further information on the Araujo family around southern Zacatecas in Griegos, Luis Moya, and Ojocaliente. They seemed to marry with the Oballe family which has all kinds of different spellings (Obaye/Ubaye/Ovalle/Uvalle). Here is the farthest back I've been able to go through the Araujo branch:

NARCISO ARAUJO born abt. 1800 married to CANDELARIA LOPEZ HERNANDEZ born abt. 1805

Children of NARCISO ARAUJO and CANDELARIA LOPEZ HERNANDEZ:

i. MARIA DOLORES ARAUJO born abt. 1825
ii. JOSE LEANDRO born in 1829
iii. MIGUEL ARAUJO born abt. 1835
iv. ROSALIO ARAUJO born abt. 1840

ROSALIO ARAUJO born abt. 1840 married to FRANCISCA OBALLE born abt. 1830

Children of ROSALIO ARAUJO and FRANCISCA OBALLE:

i. JUAN ARAUJO born abt. 1851
ii. CATARINO ARAUJO born abt. 1858
iii. HIPOLITA ARAUJO born abt. 1861

CATARINO ARAUJO born abt. 1858 in Griegos, Zacatecas married ROMULA MEZA on 3 June 1877 in Ojocalientes, Zacatecas. ROMULA MEZA was born abt. 1861.

Children of CATARINO ARAUJO and ROMULA MEZA:

i. JULIANA ARAUJO born on 20 December 1880 in Luis Moya, Zacatecas
ii. PLUTARCA ARAUJO born on 27 June 1882 in Ojocaliente, Zacatecas
iii. FRANCISCO ARAUJO born abt. 1885, died in 1888
iv. FERNANDO ARAUJO born on 30 May 1888 in Griegos, Zacatecas
v. FAUSTINO ARAUJO born and died in 1890
vi. AGAPITA ARAUJO born on 20 September 1891 in Luis Moya, Zacatecas

I hit a dead end once I get to Narciso and Candelaria. If anyone has any info on them, please do share. I look forward to working with you all on here.

Sincerely,

Alejandra Araujo

https://www.nuestrosranchos.org/dalejandra

^Here is info I have of the Castros in Jalisco and Aguascalientes.

One of our brick walls is Manuel de Lizalde. He is in my tree on Ancestry at https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/27355561/person/2049287080/facts The surname has many variant spellings: Lisalde, Lisarde, Lizarde, Elizalde (which is the actual original name in Basque) - with and without the "de".

The earliest record for him is his 19 Feb 1697 marriage at Cuquio, Jalisco, with Maria de Robalcava. It shows his mother are Cathalina de Carbaxal but does not show his father. The m,arriage record is at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18455-52689-9 

While his records are at the church in Cuquio, they actually lived south of Yahualica at los Ranchos de Apozol. So, Cuquio was not where they actually lived and is well south of where they lived.

I went page by page through all the Cuquio baptisms from about 1680 back to about 1660, and he was not among those baptisms.

I am working my way back through the Nochistlan baptisms now but have not yet found him, although there is a good way yet to go.

Does anyone have solid records for him before the 1697 marriage? Is there any record that names his father?

 

Buenos días.

Estoy trabajando actualmente en un libro sobre los Sotelo debido a que tengo la correcta filiación de Diego Arias de Sotelo gracias a unos documentos no digitalizados de la Real Chancillería de Valladolid que permiten recrear el cuadro familiar.

Es de conocimiento general que Diego Arias de Sotelo fue hijo de Antonio de Sotelo y de Uzenda Núñez Vela pero en varios sitios se confunde a su padre Antonio con el conquistador de mismo nombre y apellido que falleció en 1548 en las Indias.

El padre de Diego Arias de Sotelo fue el capitán Antonio de Sotelo que es descrito como hidalgo principal de San Miguel de la Ribera y hermano del bachiller Luis de Sotelo, vecino de Zamora y alcalde mayor del conde de Alba de Liste, y del capitán Andrés de Sotelo -alcalde de la Santa Hermandad- que casó con Guiomar de Herrezuelo, vecinos de Aldea del Palo. (Uno de los hermanos de Diego Arias de Sotelo se llamó Andrés, me refiero al capitán Andrés Núñez Vela de Sotelo, nombrado así por su tío).

Los abuelos de Diego Arias de Sotelo se llamaron Diego de Sotelo "el viejo" y Juana. Este último Diego de Sotelo fue "hidalgo de buena casta" y estaba presente en las juntas de hidalgos de la iglesia de Santa María la Nueva. Esta rama es la correcta.

El conquistador fue hijo de Pedro de Sotelo y de Inés de Cisneros quien era nieto a su vez de Lope de Sotelo. Esta rama no le corresponde a Diego Arias de Sotelo.

Diego de Sotelo "el viejo" fue hermano de Lope de Sotelo y ambos eran hijos de Luis de Sotelo -alcaide de Torrelobatón- e Isabel. Es decir, Pedro de Sotelo casado con Isabel de Cisneros, era primo hermano de Antonio de Sotelo casado con Uzenda Núñez Vela.

Espero terminar pronto para poner a disposición esta información encontrada con los árboles genealógicos correspondientes y que aclara muchas cosas de los Sotelo.

Un saludo,

Erik Andrés Reynoso.

Some information in a marriage record was posted on http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/22981?page=2. Could this Diego Hurtado de Mendoza and Maria Lerma be related to Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza?

Rick A Ricci

At this point, our family is descended from almost every child of Simon Báez (c1630-1659) and Maria de la Cerda (c1633-aft1690).

Our most recently discovered Báez ancestor is Ignacio Báez de la Cerna:

1st generation - Ignacio Báez de la Cerna (c1658-????) cc Juana Gutiérrez de Mendoza (c1661-????)

2nd generation - and then Ignacio and Juana's son, Francisco Báez (c1680-1702) cc  24 Aug 1701 to Catalina/Catharina de Salazer alias Beloso/Veloso, daughter of Antonio Beloso de Sotomayor and Teresa de Salazar, all Espanoles.

But who is Teresa de Salazar?