Hello group,
I am Ed, and my familial research interest is in both Jalisco and Michoacan.
Hi Ed-- welcome to the group!
I don't have any connections to you, but I know that this group is very helpful. There is an incredible wealth of knowledge here.
Rosalinda
Buenas noches a todos,
Me llamo Sergio Salés y nací en el D.F., pero la familia de mi abuela
paterna es de Jalisco hasta donde he podido encontrar alrededor de 1690.
Welcome to the group!
I wish I could help you, but I'm searching a different area of Jalisco; however, someone else may have some good suggestions as there are many in the group who are very knowledgeable.
Good luck!
Rosalinda
While researching my McNeal side of the family I discovered that both of my parents are distant cousins to Bejaman Harrison.
Hola Randy ,how are you ? Well I hope. Question how is Benjamin Harrison related through what line ?
Ronnie
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: rmcneal103@msn.com
> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:25:17 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The strange turns in family searches
>
> While researching my McNeal side of the family I discovered that both of my parents are distant cousins to Bejaman Harrison.
>
> On my mothers side (Reynoso Hurtado)through Inez Alfons De Ayala (1330-1395) and Don Diego De Toledo (1334 – 1418) and on my fathers side through Sir Walter Mountjoy Blount (1420-1474)and Ellen Byron (1416-1467)
>
> Then it dawned on me and I looked a little harder and indeed my parents are very distant cousins.
Ronnie, I hope this makes sense
Inez Alfons De Ayala is a sister of Aldonza Fernandez De Ayala Lady of Hita i Buitrago (1338 - 1395) she is my17th greatgrandmother
Inez Alfons De Ayala (1330-1395) and Don Diego De Toledo (1334 – 1418) daughter Sancha De Ayala married Walter Blount. My Father’s mother’s family comes down through John Blount who is Walter's brother and my 15th greatgrandfather.
Sancha De Ayala and Walter Blount are Benjamin Harrison’s 12 great grandparents.
The Reynoso connection to Aldonza is below:
Aldonza Fernandez De Ayala Lady of Hita i Buitrago (1338 - 1395)
Daughter of Fernán Pérez
Diego Hurtado De Mendoza Almirante de Castilla (1365 - 1404)
Son of Aldonza Fernandez
Inigo Lopez De Mendoza De La Vega 1st Marquez de Santillana (1398 - 1458)
Son of Diego Hurtado
Maria De Mendoza Suarez (1430 - )
Daughter of Inigo Lopez
Bernardino Fernandez De Velasco (1455 - 1511)
Son of Maria
Diego Tremino De Velasco (1474 - 1564)
Son of Bernardino
Mariana Banuelos (1535 - )
Daughter of Diego Tremino
Mariana De Figueroa (1543 - )
Daughter of Mariana
Sancho Padilla Davila (1571 - 1615)
Son of Mariana
Mariana Padilla Davila Y Medina (1608 - )
Daughter of Sancho
Francisco De Reynoso Padilla-Dávila II (1630 - 1689)
Son of Mariana
Sebastian De Reynoso (1665 - 1744)
Son of Francisco De
Juan Toribio Reynoso (1704 - 1770)
Son of Sebastian De
Juan Antonio Bernabé De Reynoso Y Rentería (1729 - )
Son of Juan Toribio
Vicente Ferrer De La Encarnacion Reynoso (1769 - )
Son of Juan Antonio Bernabé De
Jose Bernardo Reynoso (1823 - )
Son of Vicente Ferrer De La Encarnacion
Demetrio Reynoso (1862 - 1891)
Son of Jose Bernardo
Jose Cayetano Reynoso (1888 - 1970)My Grandfather
Son of Demetrio
Sanchez-Castellanos
How can I search files in Sevilla, there are files in Ancestry?
That's an incredible connection! I know that when I discovered that my parents are related to each other, they weren't quite as distantly related, but my parents did not have an idea of their relationship. Their immigrant ancestors came at different times, but settled in the same city, next door to one another. Later, their descendants (my parents) married. It turned out that my grandmas are cousins-- no one knew.
It's not incredible once you look at their genealogies, but considering the distance, it came as a bit of a shock. That's one of the many reasons I enjoy this hobby-- it uncovers the mysteries of the past and clarifies the pieces of my genealogical puzzle.
Rosalinda
Did the Spaniard really raped the indegenous people?I was having a discussion with my aunt on this topic and she was saying that of cours the spanish raped the indegenous why do you think I'm brown sh
Your question seems to be more of a statement.
It appears you've answered your own question.
Truth be told, most of what we've heard or read on the Spaniards in Mexico is propaganda by Anglos, at first, and later the Mexican government. As with any culture, at some point in time, some did most didn't.
Looking up to the Aztecs? Only after the independence of Mexico from Spain. The new government needed a rallying point, something to differentiate themselves and the people of Mexico from Spain. Again, a propaganda tool and not really the mood or thought of the general populace, which by the way stretched from Central America to some points near Deadwood in the Dakotas. That is if you believe the old maps.
The Aztec issue was driven home again after the Revolution of 1910 and the civil war that followed. Once again, another rallying point to unite the very different cultures that make up Mexico.
After WWII, the Mexican government looked for another image to present to the rest of the world. That "new" image just happened to be us. Our food, drink, style of dress, music, unique culture, and rodeo type sports was presented to the world as "Mexico" and remained that way until the advent of Baja culture in the 1980's, which was headed by Corona Beer's parent company and the Mexican tourist industry.
This is an example of something I experience from time to time. I receive responses/answers to issues on nuestros ranchos when I never received the original request or comment. I was under the impression I had registered for all research, general, and announcements. Do other members experience this? Thanks so much, Alice
--- On Sat, 11/17/12, jlblonde@sbcglobal.net wrote:
From: jlblonde@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Important Question?
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, November 17, 2012, 10:09 AM
Your question seems to be more of a statement.
It appears you've answered your own question.
Truth be told, most of what we've heard or read on the Spaniards in Mexico is propaganda by Anglos, at first, and later the Mexican government. As with any culture, at some point in time, some did most didn't.
Looking up to the Aztecs? Only after the independence of Mexico from Spain. The new government needed a rallying point, something to differentiate themselves and the people of Mexico from Spain. Again, a propaganda tool and not really the mood or thought of the general populace, which by the way stretched from Central America to some points near Deadwood in the Dakotas. That is if you believe the old maps.
The Aztec issue was driven home again after the Revolution of 1910 and the civil war that followed. Once again, another rallying point to unite the very different cultures that make up Mexico.
After WWII, the Mexican government looked for another image to present to the rest of the world. That "new" image just happened to be us. Our food, drink, style of dress, music, unique culture, and rodeo type sports was presented to the world as "Mexico" and remained that way until the advent of Baja culture in the 1980's, which was headed by Corona Beer's parent company and the Mexican tourist industry.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alice Blake"
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Important Question?
This is an example of something I experience from time to time. I receive
responses/answers to issues on nuestros ranchos when I never received the
original request or comment. I was under the impression I had registered for
all research, general, and announcements. Do other members experience this?
Thanks so much, Alice
--- On Sat, 11/17/12, jlblonde@sbcglobal.net wrote:
From: jlblonde@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Important Question?
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, November 17, 2012, 10:09 AM
Your question seems to be more of a statement.
It appears you've answered your own question.
Truth be told, most of what we've heard or read on the Spaniards in Mexico
is propaganda by Anglos, at first, and later the Mexican government. As with
any culture, at some point in time, some did most didn't.
Looking up to the Aztecs? Only after the independence of Mexico from Spain.
The new government needed a rallying point, something to differentiate
themselves and the people of Mexico from Spain. Again, a propaganda tool and
not really the mood or thought of the general populace, which by the way
stretched from Central America to some points near Deadwood in the Dakotas.
That is if you believe the old maps.
The Aztec issue was driven home again after the Revolution of 1910 and the
civil war that followed. Once again, another rallying point to unite the
very different cultures that make up Mexico.
After WWII, the Mexican government looked for another image to present to
the rest of the world. That "new" image just happened to be us. Our food,
drink, style of dress, music, unique culture, and rodeo type sports was
presented to the world as "Mexico" and remained that way until the advent of
Baja culture in the 1980's, which was headed by Corona Beer's parent company
and the Mexican tourist industry.
You're not alone, Alice. I didn't get the original message either. In
fact, I don't get as many emails from NR as I used to : (
Rgds,
Bill Figueroa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alice Blake"
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Important Question?
This is an example of something I experience from time to time. I receive
responses/answers to issues on nuestros ranchos when I never received the
original request or comment. I was under the impression I had registered for
all research, general, and announcements. Do other members experience this?
Thanks so much, Alice
--- On Sat, 11/17/12, jlblonde@sbcglobal.net wrote:
From: jlblonde@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Important Question?
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, November 17, 2012, 10:09 AM
Your question seems to be more of a statement.
It appears you've answered your own question.
Truth be told, most of what we've heard or read on the Spaniards in Mexico
is propaganda by Anglos, at first, and later the Mexican government. As with
any culture, at some point in time, some did most didn't.
Looking up to the Aztecs? Only after the independence of Mexico from Spain.
The new government needed a rallying point, something to differentiate
themselves and the people of Mexico from Spain. Again, a propaganda tool and
not really the mood or thought of the general populace, which by the way
stretched from Central America to some points near Deadwood in the Dakotas.
That is if you believe the old maps.
The Aztec issue was driven home again after the Revolution of 1910 and the
civil war that followed. Once again, another rallying point to unite the
very different cultures that make up Mexico.
After WWII, the Mexican government looked for another image to present to
the rest of the world. That "new" image just happened to be us. Our food,
drink, style of dress, music, unique culture, and rodeo type sports was
presented to the world as "Mexico" and remained that way until the advent of
Baja culture in the 1980's, which was headed by Corona Beer's parent company
and the Mexican tourist industry.
Same here,
I don't know what this refers to. I very seldom receive emails from Nuestros Ranchos. Something is definitely wrong!!
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
________________________________
From: Bill Figueroa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Important Question?
You're not alone, Alice. I didn't get the original message either. In fact, I don't get as many emails from NR as I used to : (
Rgds,
Bill Figueroa
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Blake"
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Important Question?
This is an example of something I experience from time to time. I receive responses/answers to issues on nuestros ranchos when I never received the original request or comment. I was under the impression I had registered for all research, general, and announcements. Do other members experience this? Thanks so much, Alice
--- On Sat, 11/17/12, jlblonde@sbcglobal.net wrote:
From: jlblonde@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Important Question?
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, November 17, 2012, 10:09 AM
Your question seems to be more of a statement.
It appears you've answered your own question.
Truth be told, most of what we've heard or read on the Spaniards in Mexico is propaganda by Anglos, at first, and later the Mexican government. As with any culture, at some point in time, some did most didn't.
Looking up to the Aztecs? Only after the independence of Mexico from Spain. The new government needed a rallying point, something to differentiate themselves and the people of Mexico from Spain. Again, a propaganda tool and not really the mood or thought of the general populace, which by the way stretched from Central America to some points near Deadwood in the Dakotas. That is if you believe the old maps.
The Aztec issue was driven home again after the Revolution of 1910 and the civil war that followed. Once again, another rallying point to unite the very different cultures that make up Mexico.
After WWII, the Mexican government looked for another image to present to the rest of the world. That "new" image just happened to be us. Our food, drink, style of dress, music, unique culture, and rodeo type sports was presented to the world as "Mexico" and remained that way until the advent of Baja culture in the 1980's, which was headed by Corona Beer's parent company and the Mexican tourist industry.
So, it's not just me. Overall I also receive much fewer emails from Nuestros Ranchos. I guess I don't understand who receives which emails. Thanks for your responses. Alice
--- On Sat, 11/17/12, Alicia Carrillo wrote:
From: Alicia Carrillo
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Important Question?
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Date: Saturday, November 17, 2012, 6:19 PM
Same here,
I don't know what this refers to. I very seldom receive emails from Nuestros Ranchos. Something is definitely wrong!!
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
________________________________
From: Bill Figueroa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Important Question?
You're not alone, Alice. I didn't get the original message either. In fact, I don't get as many emails from NR as I used to : (
Rgds,
Bill Figueroa
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Blake"
To:
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Important Question?
This is an example of something I experience from time to time. I receive responses/answers to issues on nuestros ranchos when I never received the original request or comment. I was under the impression I had registered for all research, general, and announcements. Do other members experience this? Thanks so much, Alice
--- On Sat, 11/17/12, jlblonde@sbcglobal.net wrote:
From: jlblonde@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Important Question?
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, November 17, 2012, 10:09 AM
Your question seems to be more of a statement.
It appears you've answered your own question.
Truth be told, most of what we've heard or read on the Spaniards in Mexico is propaganda by Anglos, at first, and later the Mexican government. As with any culture, at some point in time, some did most didn't.
Looking up to the Aztecs? Only after the independence of Mexico from Spain. The new government needed a rallying point, something to differentiate themselves and the people of Mexico from Spain. Again, a propaganda tool and not really the mood or thought of the general populace, which by the way stretched from Central America to some points near Deadwood in the Dakotas. That is if you believe the old maps.
The Aztec issue was driven home again after the Revolution of 1910 and the civil war that followed. Once again, another rallying point to unite the very different cultures that make up Mexico.
After WWII, the Mexican government looked for another image to present to the rest of the world. That "new" image just happened to be us. Our food, drink, style of dress, music, unique culture, and rodeo type sports was presented to the world as "Mexico" and remained that way until the advent of Baja culture in the 1980's, which was headed by Corona Beer's parent company and the Mexican tourist industry.
You are right, something is off. I wrote Joseph 10/30 after I wasn't
getting any for a few days. They started coming again, but not all. I've
been looking on the website more, to check what I'm missing.
Raquel
Thanks, Raquel. Some of us would like to know what you find out. Alice
--- On Sat, 11/17/12, Raquel Ruiz wrote:
From: Raquel Ruiz
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Important Question?
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, November 17, 2012, 7:26 PM
You are right, something is off. I wrote Joseph 10/30 after I wasn't
getting any for a few days. They started coming again, but not all. I've
been looking on the website more, to check what I'm missing.
Raquel
Unfortunately rape has been part of many wars throughout human history, including the ones among different tribes before the Spaniards arrived, the Conquest of Mexico, and even wars in the 20th and 21st centuries. When the Spaniards arrived many times the local authorities would give them gifts such as gold, food, and slaves including women. So, yes, many Spaniards raped indigenous people, but chances are indigenous warriors were also doing the same to their neighbours before the Spaniards conquered them all. Many indigenous tribes were also cruel and mean to their enemies and nice to their friends and allies, even as late as the 1800’s in some places like Coahuila where I live. However, not all the blood mixing before and after the Spaniards arrived occurred through rape, there were also a lot of marriages and other kinds of consensual relations.
I doesn’t matter where in the planet you live, you may be Mexican, European, Asian, African, Middle-Eastern or whatever, chances are centuries ago, if not years or decades, some of your ancestors were killing their neighbours while others were being killed by them. There’s nothing anybody can do now about it except learning form the mistakes of the past and trying to avoid them in the present and future. Despite all the wars and violence we see in the news, this era may be the most peaceful period in human history (Google “Is human violence on the wane?”), so it seems we are making some progress.
As for why do Mexicans look up to Aztecs, it’s because they have a lot to do with our national identity. The original Aztecs were a tribe from a place named Aztlan which left their home looking for a promised land. At certain point they separated with great sorrow in two groups and one of them finally found the promise land in a small island named Mexico, inside the lake of Texcoco, and there they founded their city Mexico-Tenochtitlan. They knew they had arrived to their promised land when they found an eagle eating a serpent while standing on a nopal. When they settled there they took the name of Mexicas or Mexicans. After the conquest the city took the shortened name of Mexico and began to grow as the lake slowly disappeared under it. Then the Spaniards gave the name Mexico to a big territory within the New Spain and after the War of Independence the whole country took the name of Mexico and the inhabitants were known as Mexicans (the original name of the Aztecs in their little island). Soon the flag of the new country started showing in the center a picture of the sign the Aztecs saw in their promised land: eagle eating a serpent while standing on a nopal, even adding the island of Mexico and the water of the lake. That’s currently portrayed in our flag and seal. So, as you see, a big part of our national identity (flag, seal, name of the country, name of the people) is deeply rooted in the Aztec culture.
Best regards,
Victoriano Navarro
yes, that did happen(throughout history men have been known to rape women, I'm not saying that all men are guilty of this, but rape has been in existence for at least a couple thousand years). for example, hernan cortez, during his lifetime, raped both la malinche and isabel de moctezuma.
however not all mestizos were products of rape. consensual sexual relationships(regardless if the couple was married or not) between Spaniards and the indigenous people did exist though. Usually these relationships were between a Spaniard man and an indigenous women, but the gender inverse did exist too.
here's the link to a marriage record between and indigenous man and a Spaniard woman I found
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18417-59521-50?cc=1874591&wc…
the mexicans look up to the aztecs because they were the most recent advanced pre-columbian civilization/empire in mexico. also not all mexicans look up to the aztecs. i personally don't care for them, but i had a teacher who was either 100% indigenous mexican or at least close to it(you can tell by looking at him), who hated the aztecs.
the irony is that before spain colonized Mexico, the aztecs were hated by the other tribes due to their cruelty.
forget my question.. went for a walk, came home and worked it all out. I wasn't seeing what was in front of me!
Linda Castanon-Long
Saludos a todos los compañeros del foro,,, vengo a pedirles si alguien sabe alfo sobre esta pareja,,, ya que no encuentro los padres de el, y de ella se que su padre se llamaba Andres que al parecer
you see, i want to figure out how francisco miguel marquez & ana de santiago cid casldera are related to each other.
My bad, I didn't read the next pages. Clemente de Acuna is an informant that stated that the groom and bride were actually related. I had to draw a little family tree to find the relationship between the two. The common ancestors were Pedro Cid Caldera and Maria Carrillo.
First the groom: Pedro Cid Caldera and Maria Carrillo had a daughter, whose name is unknown by the informant. This woman had a daugher named Maria Rosales, who married Jose Carlos de Godoi. They had a daughter, also named Maria Rosales, who married Martin de Arceo. This couple had a daughter, Clara de Arceo, who was the mother of the groom, Francisco Miguel Marquez.
Now the bride: Pedro Cid Caldera and Maria Carrillo had another daughter named Clara Cid Caldera. She had a son named Nicolas Caldera, who married Leonor Rodarte. This couple had a son, Nicolas Cruz Caldera, who married Barbara Casilda, and they had a daugher, the bride, Anna de Santiago Caldera.
According to this chart, http://genealogy.about.com/library/nrelationshipchart.htm
the pretensos were third cousins once removed. I hope that helps.
Saludos,
Steve in NC
thank you for deciphering that document. it was making my head spin in circles, espcially the maria rosales part. i wasn't sure if she was pedro cid caldera's daughter or granddaughter from reading the doucment
I just read your document and it is about the matrimonial information of Franco. Migul. Marquez, an illegitimate child of Clara de Arzeo, and Anna de Santiago Caldera, daughter of Nicolas de la Cruz Caldera and Barbara Casilda de Vlloo. I read the previous pages, and it does mention that there is no blood relationship. On the information of the groom, however, it states an impedimento because he asked the mother of the bride for her hand, not the father. That could be the reason this dispensa made it to Guadalajara for further investigation.
oh ok, but what's the significance of the names mentioned : martin arceo, juana rosales, clemene acuna etc. though? sorry if you i'm bugging you, i'm trying to find out if those following names are realtives of my ancestors or not.
trying to follow all the names mentioned there are confusing and i have no clue how those people are involved in this dispute.
oddly enough i spotted the names pedro cid caldera & his wife maria carrillo(and their adopted daughter clara)
I have been researching all sides of my family tree, from my Roman side in the Jalisco area to my Perez side from I don't know where. This is where I am in need of assistance. I am stuck stuck stuck.
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
Do you have his other surname by chance?
Hi Kristine--
Could you be more specific as to where he was located in the records you found?
Rosalinda
Hello,
Here is the link to my Ancestry.com page which has the information for the records I have: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/1117001/person/505455528
Other surnames for his family are Juarez, which is his wife's family. I do not know his mother's maiden name.
Other names related to the family are Rangel and Franco. Other surnames later married into the family are Paramo and Chavez.
Thank you so much!!
Kristine
Kristine--
I looked at the link you posted, and I noticed that Francisco's brother was living with him-- Anastacio Perez. I found Anastacio living in the same house in 1940, with other Perezes-- perhaps Anastacio's children? Here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/arn3bfz .
I tried to find Francisco and his children, but I think I found some of his sons, living together, at a different address in LA: http://tinyurl.com/aowjyto
I found a border crossing record for Anastacio, but I'm not sure if it's him (I looked at both Anastacio and Anastasio): http://tinyurl.com/axlbyr5
If Francisco isn't living with his sons in 1940, he either moved or lived in some other location, or he died. Here is the link to the deaths of Francisco Perezes from 1930-1939 in California: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-26181-19933-47?cc=1932433… . 19 and 70 are the codes associated with Los Angeles County (the county of death is eighth column of the record). If he died between 1940 and 1997, you can use this site to look for possible matches: http://vitals.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ca/death/search.cgi .
I would suggest trying to find a death record for Anastacio or Francisco, so you can see if a city is listed on it. The location of burial should be listed on the death certificate, and maybe they have records, or the local library. Also, you could try obituaries.
Are you in the LA area?
Rosalinda
Hello,
I have found Francisco's brother, Anastacio, on the census records, but have not found any other information on him, either. I have also found their children, and the link you posted above. Thank you!! =)
I will definitely keep searching for their death records and thank you so very much for looking and posting that records link to familysearch, that is pretty awesome!
The only obituary I have found has been for Francisco's wife, Nieves, who passed in 1924.
Yes, I am in the LA area, sort of. LOL,I live in Orange County.
Thank you all again! Believe me, this is much appreciated.
Kristine
I think this is made more difficult, as Francisco's name is not unique. You could get a copy of Nieves' death certificate, see where she is buried, and then see if Francisco is buried next to her. A specific death date is what you will need to get a death certificate-- the county won't really search for the correct Francisco Perez.
By the way, I work in Orange County!
Rosalinda
Yes, there are so very many "Francisco Perez's" out there to search through. It is very difficult.
I have a copy of Nieves' death certificate and have been to where she is buried, he is not there. At least not when I checked. Perhaps I need to ask another researcher at the cemetery..???
Yay to SoCal! =)
Kristine
Hello Everyone,
I'm still working on my Ponce and Calvillo ancestors from Aguascalientes and I'm currently looking for information on my GGGGGGGGgrandfather Bartolome Ponce who was married to Juana M
This might be a stab in the dark, needle in a haystack, but I saw a 1716 dispensa with Ponce (de Leon) and Lozano, and thought it might be worth taking a look at:
Names Geronimo Lazo Bravo y Rivera (36, Teul, HL de Geronimo Lazo & Magdalena, viudo de Teresa Ponce de Leon); Ana Flores de la Torre (23, Juchipila, viuda de Cristoval Lozano)
Date 30 Mar 1716
Place Teul & Juchipila & Atemanica (in Tequila)
Source Guadalajara Matrimonio 1716-8, Film 167985, Image 12
URL https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-14557-72?cc=1874591&wc…
Witnesses Agustin Flores (40, Teul); Antonio Roman (70); Diego Rivera (57)
Tronco Shared Grandparent: A1. Parent of Juana Lopez, A2. Juana Lopez, A3. Cristoval Lozano m. Juana Lopez; B1. Bravo/Rivera?, B2. Geronimo Lazo Bravo m Teresa Ponce de Leon
what does the term "Vos De Espanola mean"?
i found it in one of my ancestor baptism but i cant find it.
It is difficult to translate such a fragment without the full context. If you post the link to the document maybe we could have a better idea of what it means.
Best regards,
Victoriano Navarro
I was so glad yesterday when I found Sebastian Munoz parents as well as Sostenes Aguirre that just literally made my whole day.I found them by locating a baptism record of a daughter of Sebastian Mun
Hola a todos! / Hello to all!
Estoy interesada en saber donde busco datos antes del 1825 para Juchipila, Zacatecas. Cual pueblo tendra los records?
Estoy interesada en saber donde busco datos antes del 1825 para Juchipila, Zacatecas. Cual pueblo tendra los records?
I'm interested in knowing where to find information for Juchipila, Zacatecas before 1825. What towns near it would have it?
Sandra,
I would try, Moyahua, Jalpa or Nochistlan, they are the 3 largest municipalities close to Juchipila. I know in my research for Nochistlan, I occasionally find records for Juchipila residents. Having said that, Jalpa is also short on records for those early years and Moyahua's records begin in 1815 but they are the nearest Municipalities to Juchipila.
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca.
Hi Sandra,
I have found some records in Moyahua (but only from 1814 on) I just hope they did not get destroyed during the Revolution. If you look under Matrimonios de Moyahua 1814-1823 image 2/100 indicates that "it was; Libro primero en el curato de Santiago de Moyahua erigido en la division hecha del de Juchipila....." empezando Mayo de 1814 y hecha por Don Jose Feliciano de Sierra primer cura de ese partido. Guadalajara, Yahualica & Nochistlan are my next choices since they are fairly close to Juchipila.
Bertha Alicia Casanova
In doing marriage records in Jerez, Zac in the 1712 to 1745 years I'm finding many people from the Valle de Suchil.. does anyone know where that is?
Linda Castanon-Long
Boulder City, Nv
Hi Linda,
According to the link below..., as Rosalinda mentions, there's a Suchil in Durango, near Sombrerete, Zacatecas. I'm not sure if this is the one you're lookinf for, but here's the link anyways:
http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/suchil/
Saludos,
Roberto Hdez
thank you for taking the time to respond
Linda in Boulder City
________________________________
From: "ROHernandez@safrdig.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:31 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Suchil...
Hi Linda,
According to the link below..., as Rosalinda mentions, there's a Suchil in Durango, near Sombrerete, Zacatecas. I'm not sure if this is the one you're lookinf for, but here's the link anyways:
http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/i/suchil/
Saludos,
Roberto Hdez
Hi Linda,
According to this site: http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm , Valle de Suchil is a "Pueblo cabecera de municipalidad del partido de Nombre de Dios, Estado de Durango."
Rosalinda
Durango! I never would have guessed that and when I tried to find it I couldn't find it.
Rosalinda, thank you so much for taking the time
Linda
________________________________
From: "rruizgenealogy@ix.netcom.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 4:46 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Valle de Suchil
Hi Linda,
According to this site: http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm , Valle de Suchil is a "Pueblo cabecera de municipalidad del partido de Nombre de Dios, Estado de Durango."
Rosalinda
Does anyone know where to search for military records for Spanish soldiers of Nueva Galicia for the years 1600 to 1700's?
Esteban,
I am not certain that what applies to Nueva Galicia would be the same as other kingdoms of New Spain. However, at least in Nuevo Leon, many of my ancestors were frequently listed as captains. However, from what I understand by reading several sources, is that such title corresponded to heads of a militia often associated to the protections of their lands, whether hacienda or econmienda, and not because they belong to a regiment of the crown. En other cases I've found individuals listed as soldier, lieutenant, and even General, but in all these cases in their marriage certificate, or burial a note regarding the association to a regiment or presidio is given. It is possible that another member of the gorup could provide us additional information in this regard.
No estoy seguro si lo misma situación aplica para Nueva Galicia lo que sucedía en otros Reinos de Nueva España. Al menos en Nuevo Leon muchos de mis ancestros aparecen frecuentemente listados con el grado de
'capitan'. Por lo que entiendo, en base a algunos documentos, es que dicho 'titulo' se les asignaba como jefes de una milicia asociada a la protección de sus tierras, ya fuese hacienda o encomienda, y no necesariamente por pertenecer a algún regimiento de la corona en particular. En otros casos, si he localizado antepasados y parientes con grados de soldado, teniente, subteniente o inclusive como Generales, pero en todos estos se indica en el acta de matrimonio of defunción que dicho individuo estaba ligado a un regimiento o presidio. Es posible que algún otro miembro del grupo nos pueda proporcionar información adicional al respecto.
Jaime Alvarado
Esteban,
No estoy seguro si lo misma situación aplica para Nueva Galicia lo que sucedía en otros Reinos de Nueva España. Al menos en Nuevo Leon muchos de mis ancestros aparecen frecuentemente listados con el grado de
'capitan'. Por lo que entiendo, en base a algunos documentos, es que dicho 'titulo' se les asignaba como jefes de una milicia asociada a la protección de sus tierras, ya fuese hacienda o encomienda, y no necesariamente por pertenecer a algún regimiento de la corona en particular. En otros casos, si he localizado antepasados y parientes con grados de soldado, teniente, subteniente o inclusive como Generales, pero en todos estos se indica en el acta de matrimonio of defunción que dicho individuo estaba ligado a un regimiento o presidio. Es posible que algún otro miembro del grupo nos pueda proporcionar información adicional al respecto.
Saludos
Jaime Alvarado
También depende si eran Capitanes a Guerra los cuales eran títulos por lo general ligados a los de Alcalde Mayor, Teniente de Gobernador o Corregidor.
En estos casos es conveniente consultar los Libros de Gobierno de la Audiencia de la Nueva Galicia.
Un cordial saludo,
Greetings,
Does anyone know if there is access to Mexican military records about 1840? Thanks so much, Alice
Hello my name is Anisabel Santamaria.
Hello,
I'm very excited about becoming a member of the Nuestros Ranchos
group. I'm been doing research for about a year (whenever I have a free
second). Both my parents are from Atolinga, Zacatecas, so this is where I
started my search. According to my Family Tree Maker file, I now have 1,546
people and 16 generation on my family tree! Up to now, I have done most
of my research on familysearch.org and recently bought two of Arturo Ramos
Pinedo's books: Familias Antiguas de Tlaltenango and La Familia Ramos
Gutierrez y su herencia jalisciense y zacatecana. I have found that we
have some ancestors in common, so it has been wonderful to read some of the
history and other information in these books.
*My paternal grandparent's surnames are:*
Castaneda
Carols de Godoy
Rendon
Castro
*My maternal grandparents surnames are:*
Serrano
Castaneda
Haro
Castaneda
*Other surnames in my family:*
Covarrubias
Gonzalez
Miramontes
Llamas
Sandoval
Perez Texada
Rodriguez
*Locations of my research so far*:
Atolinga, Zacatecas
Los Cerritos, Zacatecas
Cerrito Pelon, Zacatecas
El Durazno, Zacattecas
Laguna Grande, Zacatecas
Tepechitlan, Zacayecas
Tlaltenango, Zacatecas
Totatiche, Jalisco
Colotlan, Jalisco
Others in same area
Technology is not always my friend... Understanding how to upload,
download, covert files, etc... doesn't come easy to me, so please be
patient. I will hopefully get my files up on the site soon.
I'm looking forward to collaborating with all of you.
Alicia Castaneda
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/AliciaCastaneda
maliciacastaneda@gmail.com
Welcome to the group.. is your El Durazno part of Jerez?
Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.
________________________________
From: Alicia Castaneda
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:48 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] new member
Hello,
I'm very excited about becoming a member of the Nuestros Ranchos
group. I'm been doing research for about a year (whenever I have a free
second). Both my parents are from Atolinga, Zacatecas, so this is where I
started my search. According to my Family Tree Maker file, I now have 1,546
people and 16 generation on my family tree! Up to now, I have done most
of my research on familysearch.org and recently bought two of Arturo Ramos
Pinedo's books: Familias Antiguas de Tlaltenango and La Familia Ramos
Gutierrez y su herencia jalisciense y zacatecana. I have found that we
have some ancestors in common, so it has been wonderful to read some of the
history and other information in these books.
*My paternal grandparent's surnames are:*
Castaneda
Carols de Godoy
Rendon
Castro
*My maternal grandparents surnames are:*
Serrano
Castaneda
Haro
Castaneda
*Other surnames in my family:*
Covarrubias
Gonzalez
Miramontes
Llamas
Sandoval
Perez Texada
Rodriguez
*Locations of my research so far*:
Atolinga, Zacatecas
Los Cerritos, Zacatecas
Cerrito Pelon, Zacatecas
El Durazno, Zacattecas
Laguna Grande, Zacatecas
Tepechitlan, Zacayecas
Tlaltenango, Zacatecas
Totatiche, Jalisco
Colotlan, Jalisco
Others in same area
Technology is not always my friend... Understanding how to upload,
download, covert files, etc... doesn't come easy to me, so please be
patient. I will hopefully get my files up on the site soon.
I'm looking forward to collaborating with all of you.
Alicia Castaneda
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/AliciaCastaneda
maliciacastaneda@gmail.com
Linda, it is part of Jerez. Here on the map it's about an inch straight above Jerez.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14890
Laura Gonzalez
Hi, I bought a t-shirt in Jerez with that map on it!
My family lived in El Durasno, I was there in 2003 for a visit, my Dad had not gone there since he was 16 in 1936.. His parents, Epitacio Castanon and Juana Sanchez were both from El Durazno/Durasno. They left during the revolution in 1916.
Can you tell me what surnames in El Durazno you are related too?
Family surnames in el Durasno:
Castanon
Caldera
Sanchez
Reveles
De la Cueva
Cortes
Tovar
Garcia
Alcala
thank you.. Linda Castanon-Long
________________________________
From: "mayangrl@sonic.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 10:42 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] El Durazno
Linda, it is part of Jerez. Here on the map it's about an inch straight above Jerez.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14890
Laura Gonzalez
Hello Linda and Laura,
You're correct there is "El Durazno" in "el municipio de Jerez". However
there is another small "rancho" by the same name in "el municipio de
Atolinga". It is between Atolinga and Tlaltenango, Zacatecas. My
grandmother, Rosa Haro's family was from there. I also have Castaneda
ancestors that are from this "El Durazno".
Alicia
--
IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this is my EMAIL (
maliciacastaneda@gmail.com).
--Alicia Castaneda-Rodriguez
There is also an area (town? neighborhood? former rancho?) in Yahualica,
Jalisco by the named El Durazno.
Raquel Ruiz
>
> I really need to proofread before I send. Raquel
>
Hello Everyone,
My name is RoseMary Fabian (jojofab) and I am new to this site. I am retired and thus have time to work on four genealogical trees. I have not done much work for the past 9 months due to my 94-year old mother’s illness and death this December 2012. However, I am determined to get back into my research. I began researching in December of 2010 and have gotten far mostly because of the areas of my study, which have good records on Family Search. Also this site along with the Guadalajara Dispensations site has been very beneficial. I am blocked on some branches of my trees, but will keep searching. My parents were each widowed when they married and I am also researching their previous spouse’s trees for my half brothers and sisters on each side. I may have some mistakes on my trees, but I try very hard to verify through baptisms, marriages, dispensations, and death records. I also look at brothers and sisters in each family to get hints on family relations and through logical timelines.
My paternal side is the Fabian/Torres. On this tree, most branches are from the de la Torre side of the family. They are de la Torre, Medina, Hernandez, Ruiz de Esparza leading me to Lope Ruiz de Esparza, Maldonado Sapata, Gentil, Lopes de Elizaldi, Sotelo, Jaen, Montanes, Sotomayor, Ruelas, Sandi, Macias, Avila, Rubalcava, Esquibel, Acosta, de la Cadena, Carillo and Sanches. Also Huerta, Ximenez, Gonzales, de los Reyes, Garcia, Collazo, Guerrero and Chaves. Most of my ancestors are from Aguascalientes, Pinos, Zacatecas, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco and Teocaltiche, Jalisco. The Fabian, Perez, Jaques, Ruelas, side of the family are from San Miguel de Mezquital (Miguel Auza), Zacatecas. These records only go into the mid-1800’s. Much of the information that I have on the Martin I and Lope Ruiz de Esparza I, I obtained from various genealogical sites including this site, and I am still not sure who the originator of this family is as I have seen two different versions, such as Simon Ruiz de Esparza and Sancho Ruiz de Esparza. A lot of the information on Juan Montanes I got from an article written by Mary Lou Mantagna’s for a Somos Primos newsletter, which was helpful in both verifying my own research and helping me to get this family straight.
The Sandoval/Aguilera tree are mostly from Nochistlan, Zacatecas and surrounding areas such as Cuquio and Mexticacan, and other towns in that area. This tree is very interesting and confusing as there are many branches descending from Diego Delgadillo/Petrona de Islas. There are six branches that descend from this one family on this tree. All leading back to Bernardino de Islas, Moscoso Sandoval, and into LeBasares, etc. There is another branch that descends from Luis Delgadillo. This tree also has Yanes, Perez de Frias, Ballin, Aguayo, Duran, Casillas, Gonzales, Marin, Penaflosa, Ruiz, Ximenes and Felis. This tree also connects with families in the Fabian/Torres tree through Sotomayor and Montanes.
In the Orozco/Alvarez tree most ancestors are from Lagos de Moreno. This is also an interesting tree that stems from the Alvarez side of the family, as the Orozco side did not go far. The Alvarez does not extend so far either, but there was an Alvarez married to a Villalobos, which made the search interesting. Beginning with Avalos, Cervantes, Villasenor, Retamosa, Cardenas Avila, Macias Valadez. Also, Martin de Campo, Vallin, Lopez de la Cruz, Tiscareno and leading back to Lope Ruiz de Esparza through a different branch. It is very interesting how these three trees tie back to the same founding families.
My maternal side is the Frausto/Lozano’s. This tree is from Leon, Guanajuato and I have not gotten them further back than the early 1800’s, but some ancestors go back to Tepic, Narayit and then to Guadalajara and then into San Francisco del Rincon and Leon and Silao. Surnames are Aguirre, Fuentes, Nunes, Torres, Castillo, Urrutia, Velasques, Lopez, and Sanches. I know this is not the field of interest for this site, but I thought that I would mention it here, as it is my fourth tree. So, these are my areas of research and hope to be able to connect with anyone who also shares some of these surnames and areas of research.
Rose Mary,
In going through your post I was trying to decipher whether you had done your own research or whether the information you had was from other people's research you had found on -line.
I can tell you that for me personally, while I love to find and read on the internet other people's findings, I don't include it as factual in my research until I personally go through and one by one, identify each person from the actual records and place each individual in their respective place on the family tree and have a record of the document that can corroborate the findings as shown on the family tree.
Not saying that you haven't done that, just saying that it's my method to ensure that I'm on the right track and that it is indeed my family I'm tracking and identifying as mine.
Good luck in your search and re-search and thanks for the introduction.
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
________________________________
From: RoseMary Fabian
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:21 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member
Hello Everyone,
My name is RoseMary Fabian (jojofab) and I am new to this site. I am retired and thus have time to work on four genealogical trees. I have not done much work for the past 9 months due to my 94-year old mother’s illness and death this December 2012. However, I am determined to get back into my research. I began researching in December of 2010 and have gotten far mostly because of the areas of my study, which have good records on Family Search. Also this site along with the Guadalajara Dispensations site has been very beneficial. I am blocked on some branches of my trees, but will keep searching. My parents were each widowed when they married and I am also researching their previous spouse’s trees for my half brothers and sisters on each side. I may have some mistakes on my trees, but I try very hard to verify through baptisms, marriages, dispensations, and death records. I also look at brothers and sisters in each family to get hints
on family relations and through logical timelines.
My paternal side is the Fabian/Torres. On this tree, most branches are from the de la Torre side of the family. They are de la Torre, Medina, Hernandez, Ruiz de Esparza leading me to Lope Ruiz de Esparza, Maldonado Sapata, Gentil, Lopes de Elizaldi, Sotelo, Jaen, Montanes, Sotomayor, Ruelas, Sandi, Macias, Avila, Rubalcava, Esquibel, Acosta, de la Cadena, Carillo and Sanches. Also Huerta, Ximenez, Gonzales, de los Reyes, Garcia, Collazo, Guerrero and Chaves. Most of my ancestors are from Aguascalientes, Pinos, Zacatecas, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco and Teocaltiche, Jalisco. The Fabian, Perez, Jaques, Ruelas, side of the family are from San Miguel de Mezquital (Miguel Auza), Zacatecas. These records only go into the mid-1800’s. Much of the information that I have on the Martin I and Lope Ruiz de Esparza I, I obtained from various genealogical sites including this site, and I am still not sure who the originator of this family is as I have seen
two different versions, such as Simon Ruiz de Esparza and Sancho Ruiz de Esparza. A lot of the information on Juan Montanes I got from an article written by Mary Lou Mantagna’s for a Somos Primos newsletter, which was helpful in both verifying my own research and helping me to get this family straight.
The Sandoval/Aguilera tree are mostly from Nochistlan, Zacatecas and surrounding areas such as Cuquio and Mexticacan, and other towns in that area. This tree is very interesting and confusing as there are many branches descending from Diego Delgadillo/Petrona de Islas. There are six branches that descend from this one family on this tree. All leading back to Bernardino de Islas, Moscoso Sandoval, and into LeBasares, etc. There is another branch that descends from Luis Delgadillo. This tree also has Yanes, Perez de Frias, Ballin, Aguayo, Duran, Casillas, Gonzales, Marin, Penaflosa, Ruiz, Ximenes and Felis. This tree also connects with families in the Fabian/Torres tree through Sotomayor and Montanes.
In the Orozco/Alvarez tree most ancestors are from Lagos de Moreno. This is also an interesting tree that stems from the Alvarez side of the family, as the Orozco side did not go far. The Alvarez does not extend so far either, but there was an Alvarez married to a Villalobos, which made the search interesting. Beginning with Avalos, Cervantes, Villasenor, Retamosa, Cardenas Avila, Macias Valadez. Also, Martin de Campo, Vallin, Lopez de la Cruz, Tiscareno and leading back to Lope Ruiz de Esparza through a different branch. It is very interesting how these three trees tie back to the same founding families.
My maternal side is the Frausto/Lozano’s. This tree is from Leon, Guanajuato and I have not gotten them further back than the early 1800’s, but some ancestors go back to Tepic, Narayit and then to Guadalajara and then into San Francisco del Rincon and Leon and Silao. Surnames are Aguirre, Fuentes, Nunes, Torres, Castillo, Urrutia, Velasques, Lopez, and Sanches. I know this is not the field of interest for this site, but I thought that I would mention it here, as it is my fourth tree. So, these are my areas of research and hope to be able to connect with anyone who also shares some of these surnames and areas of research.
RoseMary Fabian
I was astonished at your email “welcoming” me to Nuestros Ranchos. I trust most members are not so confused as you seem to be.
Your message insinuates that I substitute other people’s findings for my own research. Let me assure Nuestros Ranchos members that nothing could be further from the truth.
I do my own research as I stated in the first paragraph of my introduction. Perhaps I could have been clearer, but I state it again here, “I may have some mistakes on my trees, but I try very hard to verify through baptisms, marriages, dispensations, and death records. I also look at brothers and sisters in each family to get hints on family relations and through logical timelines.”
I have found that the only way to do research is to trace your family by verifying data. How else would you know if you are following your own family line? It would be absurd to use information from other sites and place them on my tree without verifying if they are indeed a branch of my family line and to verify that fact by searching for those baptisms and marital information.
That is not to say that once you get back to the late 1500’s and early 1600’s where records are less informative or less available that you can get hints from reading books, visiting Family History Libraries, and looking at other genealogical sites to get information to guide you in your research. And even then that does not mean that what you find is necessarily the truth, as expert genealogists have been known to make mistakes. But there are some very good genealogists out there who share their knowledge and experience.
It is unfortunate that you chose this medium, sent to all Nuestros Ranchos members, to air your confusion. A personal email would have been appreciated.
My apologies Rose Mary,
You are probably correct, most members would most likely not be as confused as I am.
From what you state in this message, you conduct your own research to verify all your data. So sorry if this was hurtful and embarrasing to you, this was not my intent to make you feel bad, especially when this was your introduction to Nuestros Ranchos and someone questions your methods.
One of the reasons we send to all is because sometimes we learn from the postings to all and sometimes those who are new to research believe that everything that's out there has been verified and this does not appear to be the case with you. You are just new to Nuestros Ranchos but not new to researching and that you have excellent research skills.
Again, I apologize if I was disrespectful to you, it wasn't my intent.
Alicia,
San Jose, Ca
________________________________
From: "jojofab@cox.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 8:22 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member Response
RoseMary Fabian
I was astonished at your email “welcoming” me to Nuestros Ranchos. I trust most members are not so confused as you seem to be.
Your message insinuates that I substitute other people’s findings for my own research. Let me assure Nuestros Ranchos members that nothing could be further from the truth.
I do my own research as I stated in the first paragraph of my introduction. Perhaps I could have been clearer, but I state it again here, “I may have some mistakes on my trees, but I try very hard to verify through baptisms, marriages, dispensations, and death records. I also look at brothers and sisters in each family to get hints on family relations and through logical timelines.”
I have found that the only way to do research is to trace your family by verifying data. How else would you know if you are following your own family line? It would be absurd to use information from other sites and place them on my tree without verifying if they are indeed a branch of my family line and to verify that fact by searching for those baptisms and marital information.
That is not to say that once you get back to the late 1500’s and early 1600’s where records are less informative or less available that you can get hints from reading books, visiting Family History Libraries, and looking at other genealogical sites to get information to guide you in your research. And even then that does not mean that what you find is necessarily the truth, as expert genealogists have been known to make mistakes. But there are some very good genealogists out there who share their knowledge and experience.
It is unfortunate that you chose this medium, sent to all Nuestros Ranchos members, to air your confusion. A personal email would have been appreciated.
RoseMary Fabian
Alicia,
I appreciate your message and apology. I submitted so many surnames because that is where my research has taken me. I don't think that genealogy is rocket science. It is detective work and logic. It means following your ancestor’s records of which it has been fairly easy on certain branches of my trees because of the cities where the records are indexed. It is important for me to ensure that I am following the correct line and is why I cross-reference by checking marital information with baptisms, siblings records, death records, dispensations, etc. On some lines I have not gone upward because of lack of records, so I have gone outward to better understand the family line.
The site that has taken me this far is the Family Search Site, which is a godsend in itself for I can access microfilm of the original church records. The fact that I read and write Spanish has helped, although old world Spanish has been a lesson in itself. I found the 1930 Mexican Census, border crossings, the 1920 and 1930 U.S. Census, and now the 1940 Census extremely informative. The memories of family members who are now in their 80’s and 90’s has also helped.
I was also lucky that I had the names of my great grandparents on both sides of my family when I began. Imagine my excitement when I found their marital records online and then their ancestor’s marital records as well. This history is important to me and to members of my humungous family. The only way to get on intimate terms with the surnames involved in any family line is to do the work even if that involves going page by page on record books. As you work on family lines, the names become familiar and you can imagine your ancestors clearly.
I decided to join Nuestros Ranchos as a New Years resolution to reach out to get ideas on those lines where I have reached a brick wall. I am not familiar with the Nuestros Ranchos site and haven't been able to navigate it as yet with any confidence, but will make time soon to figure it out.
I hope this is a good thing for me to have joined.
RoseMary.. I'm sure you will be a great addition to our ranks of researchers who are willing to share information in order to reclaim our heritage for ourselves and future generations.
Welcome
Linda Castanon-Long
Boulder City, Nev
researching, Jalisco, Zacatecas and where ever else the records take me!
________________________________
From: "jojofab@cox.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 12:57 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member Response
RoseMary Fabian
Alicia,
I appreciate your message and apology. I submitted so many surnames because that is where my research has taken me. I don't think that genealogy is rocket science. It is detective work and logic. It means following your ancestor’s records of which it has been fairly easy on certain branches of my trees because of the cities where the records are indexed. It is important for me to ensure that I am following the correct line and is why I cross-reference by checking marital information with baptisms, siblings records, death records, dispensations, etc. On some lines I have not gone upward because of lack of records, so I have gone outward to better understand the family line.
The site that has taken me this far is the Family Search Site, which is a godsend in itself for I can access microfilm of the original church records. The fact that I read and write Spanish has helped, although old world Spanish has been a lesson in itself. I found the 1930 Mexican Census, border crossings, the 1920 and 1930 U.S. Census, and now the 1940 Census extremely informative. The memories of family members who are now in their 80’s and 90’s has also helped.
I was also lucky that I had the names of my great grandparents on both sides of my family when I began. Imagine my excitement when I found their marital records online and then their ancestor’s marital records as well. This history is important to me and to members of my humungous family. The only way to get on intimate terms with the surnames involved in any family line is to do the work even if that involves going page by page on record books. As you work on family lines, the names become familiar and you can imagine your ancestors clearly.
I decided to join Nuestros Ranchos as a New Years resolution to reach out to get ideas on those lines where I have reached a brick wall. I am not familiar with the Nuestros Ranchos site and haven't been able to navigate it as yet with any confidence, but will make time soon to figure it out.
I hope this is a good thing for me to have joined.
Rose Mary.
We are glad you joined and we hope that you are also glad you joined and that you get something from the group who is always so giving of their time and of their expertise.
Buena Suerte,
Alicia
________________________________
From: "jojofab@cox.net"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 12:57 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member Response
RoseMary Fabian
Alicia,
I appreciate your message and apology. I submitted so many surnames because that is where my research has taken me. I don't think that genealogy is rocket science. It is detective work and logic. It means following your ancestor’s records of which it has been fairly easy on certain branches of my trees because of the cities where the records are indexed. It is important for me to ensure that I am following the correct line and is why I cross-reference by checking marital information with baptisms, siblings records, death records, dispensations, etc. On some lines I have not gone upward because of lack of records, so I have gone outward to better understand the family line.
The site that has taken me this far is the Family Search Site, which is a godsend in itself for I can access microfilm of the original church records. The fact that I read and write Spanish has helped, although old world Spanish has been a lesson in itself. I found the 1930 Mexican Census, border crossings, the 1920 and 1930 U.S. Census, and now the 1940 Census extremely informative. The memories of family members who are now in their 80’s and 90’s has also helped.
I was also lucky that I had the names of my great grandparents on both sides of my family when I began. Imagine my excitement when I found their marital records online and then their ancestor’s marital records as well. This history is important to me and to members of my humungous family. The only way to get on intimate terms with the surnames involved in any family line is to do the work even if that involves going page by page on record books. As you work on family lines, the names become familiar and you can imagine your ancestors clearly.
I decided to join Nuestros Ranchos as a New Years resolution to reach out to get ideas on those lines where I have reached a brick wall. I am not familiar with the Nuestros Ranchos site and haven't been able to navigate it as yet with any confidence, but will make time soon to figure it out.
I hope this is a good thing for me to have joined.
Welcome, RoseMary! I am searching a different part of the target areas for this group, but I just wanted to welcome you-- there is an amazing wealth of information here, both on the site itself and its members. Good luck to you!
Rosalinda
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Hello Everyone,
My name is RoseMary Fabian (jojofab) and I am new to this site. I am retired and thus have time to work on four genealogical trees. I have not done much work for the past 9 months due to my 94-year old mother’s illness and death this December 2012. However, I am determined to get back into my research. I began researching in December of 2010 and have gotten far mostly because of the areas of my study, which have good records on Family Search. Also this site along with the Guadalajara Dispensations site has been very beneficial. I am blocked on some branches of my trees, but will keep searching. My parents were each widowed when they married and I am also researching their previous spouse’s trees for my half brothers and sisters on each side. I may have some mistakes on my trees, but I try very hard to verify through baptisms, marriages, dispensations, and death records. I also look at brothers and sisters in each family to get hints on family relations and through logical timelines.
Alicia, disregard this I just reread your message
longsjourney@yahoo.com
Linda Castanon-Long
Hello,
My name is Pauline and I am new to this group. I am now an official "serious" researcher.
I am researching the names Alvarez, Diaz, Orozco, Marioner & Magallanes. The towns are Momax, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, La Playa, Tabasco-Zacatecas. I do not know the ranch but I do know that one existed in the 1870's location unknown and again in the 1930's in La Playa. I am particularly interested in my maternal grandfather's birth record and lineage as for some reason he was a very secretive man and would not discuss his heritage, birth place or family. My mother in her entire life only met one of his first cousin's (Maximo Diaz) and his cousin's father (his uncle) Erculano Diaz. My mother tells me (information from his 2nd wife) that his grandfather (Gregorio ?) came over as part of Carlota's army- when Maximillian was killed- he fled and went into hiding. Rumor has it that he stole several cantarros of money and lived his life in fear. This Gregorio died in Tabasco and only spoke French. My grandfather immigrated to the US in 1917 but frequently went back and forth
having lived in Mexico in the 1930's, 1940's (Zacatecas) and again from 1960-s through the mid 1970's (Chapala, Jal). He married my grandmother Elvira Lopez in Los Angeles in 1931, later divorcing her and marrying Opal Kinney in the late 1950's in Chihuahua. My grandfather also used several dates of birth in his border crossings.
I would appreciate any advice on where to begin and if any of the following people and dates ring a bell:
ALVAREZ FAMILY
Delfino Orozco Alvarez (My grandfather)
Born: Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman 9/27 or 9/16 of 1910 0r 1906
Death: Los Angeles, CA 4/9/1990
Parents:
Mariana Alvarez
Born: Momax, Zacatecas- Jul 3, Circa 1890
Death: Los Angeles- March 25, 1928
Marcus Alvarez (Orozco ?)- No information
Born: Tlaltenango- Circa 1880's-1890's
Maternal Grandparents:
Felicitas M. (Last name unknown)
Born: Zacatecas- Circa 1870's
Cirilo Alvarez
Born: Zacatecas-Circa 1870's
DIAZ FAMILY
Maximo Diaz Alvarez
Born: Momax, Zacatecas- May 5, 1914
Death: Los Angeles, -1990'
Parents:
Erculano Diaz and Luisa Alvarez-Born: Circa 1890's
This is all I have-I appreciate any help. Should I send this in Spanish?
Thanks,
Pauline
Revisando el censo de 1754 de Tlaltenango, observo que hay varios Sanchez-Castellanos que vivieron en San Joseph de los Campos, creo que debe estar por Tepechitlan que es por donde los Sanchez-Caste
Hasta hoy no he podido desifrar este misterio, pero sigo interesado por la familia San Martin Y Estrada.
The above, captioned couple were married 20 ene 1720 in San Juan Barco, la Barca, Jalisco. They had at least three children: George Teodoro (bau. 28 abr 1720), Joseph Manuel (bau.
Lawrence, I am planning on doing some research in Portezuelo, Jalisco
around the middle of June. If you would like I could do a little research
for you while I am there. I do know that FamilySearch does not have church
records for Portezuelo but there are some records that may be found in La
Barca and I think the name is San Juan *Bosco *versus *Barco*.
Esther Jordan Lopez
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:45 PM, wrote:
> The above, captioned couple were married 20 ene 1720 in San Juan Barco, la
> Barca, Jalisco. They had at least three children: George Teodoro (bau. 28
> abr 1720), Joseph Manuel (bau. 08 may 1723) and Juana María (bau. 13 ene
> 1726).
>
> My research includes a María Josepha Benites who married Miguel Aseves in
> Portesuelo, la Barca 11 jul 1742. It is not an unreasonable speculation
> that 'my' María Josepha may also be a child of the above family, although I
> have not yet located her baptismal record.
>
> Does anyone have any research that may include either María Josepha
> Benites or the family of Salbadór Benites de Villa Reál and Clara de
> Susilla?
>
> Best wishes,
> Lawrence Bouett
Lawrence, I am planning on doing some research in Portezuelo, Jalisco
around the middle of June. If you would like I could do a little research
for you while I am there. I do know that FamilySearch does not have church
records for Portezuelo but there are some records that may be found in La
Barca and I think the name is San Juan *Bosco *versus *Barco*.
Esther Jordan Lopez
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:45 PM, wrote:
> The above, captioned couple were married 20 ene 1720 in San Juan Barco, la
> Barca, Jalisco. They had at least three children: George Teodoro (bau. 28
> abr 1720), Joseph Manuel (bau. 08 may 1723) and Juana María (bau. 13 ene
> 1726).
>
> My research includes a María Josepha Benites who married Miguel Aseves in
> Portesuelo, la Barca 11 jul 1742. It is not an unreasonable speculation
> that 'my' María Josepha may also be a child of the above family, although I
> have not yet located her baptismal record.
>
> Does anyone have any research that may include either María Josepha
> Benites or the family of Salbadór Benites de Villa Reál and Clara de
> Susilla?
>
> Best wishes,
> Lawrence Bouett
Esther,
Thanks so much for your generous offer of research in Portezuelo. And you're right, of course: it is San Juan Bosco—I must have been thinking 'la Barca' when I typed the other ...
As for the records of Portesuela, I have found the marriage of Miguel Aceves and María Josepha Benites (1742) and the baptisms of three of their children (1744, 1746, and 1747) in Portesuela in FamilySearch under La Barca, San Juan Bosco.
Best wishes,
Lawrence Bouett
Esther,
Did you make your trip to Portezuelo in June? I'm curious what records you may have been able to locate. I am still stuck on the possibility of Salbador Benites de Villa Reál and Clara de Susilla as the parents of María Josepha Benites ca. 1720–1740.
Best wishes,
Lawrence Bouett
Please,
Can you take a note, my email change;
Before; csanchez@flosolmotors.com
NEW,; carsanpes2013@hotmail.com
Regards
Carlos Sanchez Pesquera
__________ Informacion d
Hi, I am new here and I am trying to find more information on my ancestry and I am trying to get a sense as to where my ancestors are from since my family has no clue as to where we come from.
one more: All these records can be found on the Familysearch online program.marriage information recorded 14 Aug 1792 in Jerez, Zac
Jose Alvino Ramirez, Mestizo from Santa Gertrudis
Widower of Maria de la Crus Garcia for 10 years buried in Fresnillo
With: Maria Sotera/Sotelo Mercado, Espanola from La Noria
Widow of Manuel de Avila for 5 years buried in Jerez
Witness: Jose Antonio Garcia, Mulato Libre age 58 from La Noria
Witness: Alejandro Robalcalva, Indio age 40 from Susticacan
Witness: Tadeo Solis, Mulato Esclavo age 48 in Jerez
source: 0439898 Jerez marriage information record
.
________________________________
From: "josemartinez2420@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:29 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dimas / De la Rosa Family????
Hi, I am new here and I am trying to find more information on my ancestry and I am trying to get a sense as to where my ancestors are from since my family has no clue as to where we come from. I have been doing a lot of research for almost 9 months now and have been able to find a lot of interesting stuff that has surprised my whole family however I can not find more information about a specific family. I am stuck on my 2nd-great grandmother's parents and their family. Her name was Maria Patrocinio? or Patrocinia? Dimas born on the 17th of September of 1883 and baptized on the 1st of October 1883. She had a daughter who is my great grandmother named Vicenta Camarena with a man whose name I still don't know besides his last name (Camarena). Maria Patrocinio? or Patrocinia? Dimas moved to the United States and lived in Silver City New Mexico where she re-married to a man named Marcos Acevedo. She was the daughter of Santiago Dimas and Maria De la
Rosa. Santiago's parents w
ere Macedonio? or Celedonio? Dimas and Petra Ramirez. Maria De la Rosa (whom which I am more interested in) was the daughter of Juan De la Rosa? or just Rosa? and Victoria De Abila. So far that is all I know. I am more interested in Maria De la Rosa and her parents since I want to find my mothers direct maternal lineage. Thank You to anyone who took the time to read my message and decided to help :)
Hi Linda :) Thank YOU!!! I found the records you listed and that is them. Thank You so much for your help. I actually found more information from the Dimas side of my family through Santiago (my 2nd great grandfather) instead of his wife (Maria Leocadia de la Rosa). I also found his paternal grandparents Victor Dimas and Josefa Rosales along with his maternal grandparents thanks to you (Jose Albino Ramirez and Sotera Mercado.)
there is a child for Albino Ramires and Sotero Mercado, Maria Josefa baptism 9 Oct 1814 in film #439844 but it's a really hard film to follow and I couldn't find it but if you can it should give you another generation.
happy hunting, Linda
________________________________
From: "josemartinez2420@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dimas / De la Rosa
Hi Linda :) Thank YOU!!! I found the records you listed and that is them. Thank You so much for your help. I actually found more information from the Dimas side of my family through Santiago (my 2nd great grandfather) instead of his wife (Maria Leocadia de la Rosa). I also found his paternal grandparents Victor Dimas and Josefa Rosales along with his maternal grandparents thanks to you Jose Albino Ramirez and Sotera Mercado. Again thank you so much for your help
I forgot to tell you I have my files on Rootsweb.com, a free site.. my file name is Mexico and then go to the index to find if there is anything of interest to you.
Linda
________________________________
From: "josemartinez2420@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dimas / De la Rosa
Hi Linda :) Thank YOU!!! I found the records you listed and that is them. Thank You so much for your help. I actually found more information from the Dimas side of my family through Santiago (my 2nd great grandfather) instead of his wife (Maria Leocadia de la Rosa). I also found his paternal grandparents Victor Dimas and Josefa Rosales along with his maternal grandparents thanks to you Jose Albino Ramirez and Sotera Mercado. Again thank you so much for your help
Hi Linda once again thank you so much for your help. I checked the website that you listed and it has been very very helpful. I now know more information about my 2nd Great grandmother (Maria Patrocinio Dimas - De la Rosa born on the 17th of September 1883 in Jerez, Zacatecas) and her family. Her parents were (Santiago Dimas - Ramirez born abt. 1844) and (Maria Leocadia De la Rosa - De Avila born abt. 1847 in Jerez, Zacatecas). Since I focused more on just my mother's maternal lineage I found that Maria Leocadia's mother was Maria Victoria De Avila - Gonzalez born on 03 March 1821 in Jerez, Zacatecas. Maria Victoria's parents were Marcial de Avila and Maxima Gonzalez born abt. 1785 and they were both from Jerez, Zacatecas. That is as far as T've gotten, since I could not keep going through just my mom's maternal line since I found the baptism record for Maria Victoria De Avila - Gonzalez (baptized on 11 March 1821 in Jerez) and under her maternal grandparents (Maxima Gonzalez's parents) it says "Abuela no dio razon" and only lists her maternal grandfather as Manuel Gonzalez. I also noticed that they were all from Cienega, Jerez, Zacatecas as far as I have reached with Maxima Gonzalez (1785) my maternal ancestors were there for a very long time since 1785 or maybe longer once I keep finding more people.
good morning. I'm really glad my files were able to help you in your search. I'm still trying to figure out who in your family married someone in mine. I only put people in my files that are associated through marriage with mine. I do have lots of family from Cienega and will let you know when I figure it out. My base person is my Dad Chet (Aniceto) Castanon, if you put that in pedigree in text form it will show my lineage from Zacatecas.
Can you share with me the date of Maria Patrocinio Dimas baptism? I can't find her and would like to add her to the records. What do you have that shows that your Victoria is the same one as the daughter of Marcial and Maxima?
Thank you for taking the time to let me know it helped you, that's why I post them on Rootsweb instead of Ancestry. They are connected but Ancestry charges and Rootsweb does not..
Linda in Boulder City, Nv
________________________________
From: "josemartinez2420@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dimas / De la Rosa
Hi Linda once again thank you so much for your help. I checked the website that you listed and it has been very very helpful. I now know more information about my 2nd Great grandmother (Maria Patrocinio Dimas - De la Rosa born on the 17th of September 1883 in Jerez, Zacatecas) and her family. Her parents were (Santiago Dimas - Ramirez born abt. 1844) and (Maria Leocadia De la Rosa - De Avila born abt. 1847 in Jerez, Zacatecas). Since I focused more on just my mother's maternal lineage I found that Maria Leocadia's mother was Maria Victoria De Avila - Gonzalez born on 03 March 1821 in Jerez, Zacatecas. Maria Victoria's parents were Marcial de Avila and Maxima Gonzalez born abt. 1785 and they were both from Jerez, Zacatecas. That is as far as T've gotten, since I could not keep going through just my mom's maternal line since I found the baptism record for Maria Victoria De Avila - Gonzalez (baptized on 11 March 1821 in Jerez) and under her
maternal grandparents (Maxima Go
nzalez's parents) it says "Abuela no dio razon" and only lists her maternal grandfather as Manuel Gonzalez. I also noticed that they were all from Cienega, Jerez, Zacatecas as far as I have reached with Maxima Gonzalez (1785) my maternal ancestors were there for a very long time since 1785 or maybe longer once I keep finding more people.
almost forgot to send you this record:
baptism 14 July 1840 in Jerez, Zac
Jose Cirilo born in Chula 4 days old 7pm
parents: Macedonio Dias and Petra Ramires
pat grn: Victor Dimas and Josefa Rosales
mat grn: Albino Ramires and Sotera Mercado
godparent: maternal grandmother
source: 0439851 Jerez baptism
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________________________________
From: "josemartinez2420@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:29 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dimas / De la Rosa Family????
Hi, I am new here and I am trying to find more information on my ancestry and I am trying to get a sense as to where my ancestors are from since my family has no clue as to where we come from. I have been doing a lot of research for almost 9 months now and have been able to find a lot of interesting stuff that has surprised my whole family however I can not find more information about a specific family. I am stuck on my 2nd-great grandmother's parents and their family. Her name was Maria Patrocinio? or Patrocinia? Dimas born on the 17th of September of 1883 and baptized on the 1st of October 1883. She had a daughter who is my great grandmother named Vicenta Camarena with a man whose name I still don't know besides his last name (Camarena). Maria Patrocinio? or Patrocinia? Dimas moved to the United States and lived in Silver City New Mexico where she re-married to a man named Marcos Acevedo. She was the daughter of Santiago Dimas and Maria De la
Rosa. Santiago's parents w
ere Macedonio? or Celedonio? Dimas and Petra Ramirez. Maria De la Rosa (whom which I am more interested in) was the daughter of Juan De la Rosa? or just Rosa? and Victoria De Abila. So far that is all I know. I am more interested in Maria De la Rosa and her parents since I want to find my mothers direct maternal lineage. Thank You to anyone who took the time to read my message and decided to help :)
Hi, I don't think I have more than you do but not sure you have this record, I hope it helps some
Linda in Boulder City, Nv
.
marriage information recorded 19 April 1862 in Jerez, Zac
Santiago Dimas from Cienega age 18
Parents: Macedonio Dimas deceased and Petra Ramirez
With: Leocadia de la Rosa from Cienega age 15
Parents: Juan de la Rosa and Victoria de Avila both living
No blood ties
Wit: Tomas Collaso from Cienega married age 79 jornalero
Wit: Dionicio Cardona from Cienega married age 50 labrador
Wit: Quirino Ramos from Cienega widower age 47 labrador
Posted 20, 27 April and 4 May 1862
source: marriage information 0439908
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________________________________
From: "josemartinez2420@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:29 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dimas / De la Rosa Family????
Hi, I am new here and I am trying to find more information on my ancestry and I am trying to get a sense as to where my ancestors are from since my family has no clue as to where we come from. I have been doing a lot of research for almost 9 months now and have been able to find a lot of interesting stuff that has surprised my whole family however I can not find more information about a specific family. I am stuck on my 2nd-great grandmother's parents and their family. Her name was Maria Patrocinio? or Patrocinia? Dimas born on the 17th of September of 1883 and baptized on the 1st of October 1883. She had a daughter who is my great grandmother named Vicenta Camarena with a man whose name I still don't know besides his last name (Camarena). Maria Patrocinio? or Patrocinia? Dimas moved to the United States and lived in Silver City New Mexico where she re-married to a man named Marcos Acevedo. She was the daughter of Santiago Dimas and Maria De la
Rosa. Santiago's parents w
ere Macedonio? or Celedonio? Dimas and Petra Ramirez. Maria De la Rosa (whom which I am more interested in) was the daughter of Juan De la Rosa? or just Rosa? and Victoria De Abila. So far that is all I know. I am more interested in Maria De la Rosa and her parents since I want to find my mothers direct maternal lineage. Thank You to anyone who took the time to read my message and decided to help :)
So where was Maria de la Rosa born? do you have the online record? If so
supply the url. I saw some children born to a Juan and Victoria in Jerez
around the 1850's but without a location it is difficult to narrow down the
search. Location is one of your best clues in genealogy.
Joseph
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you probably already have the following:
Petra Dimas Rosa
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950
christening
08 May 1869
EL SAGRARIO OR SANTO DOMINGO,ZACATECAS,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
parentSantiago Dimas, Leocadia De La Rosa
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Martina Dimas Rosa
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950
christening
23 Nov 1873
JEREZ,JEREZ DE GARCIA SALINAS,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
parentSantiago Dimas, Leocadia Dela Rosa
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Refugia Dimas Rosa
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950
birth
08 May 1871
christening
15 May 1871
JEREZ,JEREZ DE GARCIA SALINAS,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Santiago Dimas, Maria De La Rosa
> -----Original Message-----
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> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
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> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 10:30 PM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dimas / De la Rosa Family????
>
> Hi, I am new here and I am trying to find more information on my ancestry
and I am trying
> to get a sense as to where my ancestors are from since my family has no
clue as to where
> we come from. I have been doing a lot of research for almost 9 months now
and have been
> able to find a lot of interesting stuff that has surprised my whole family
however I can not
> find more information about a specific family. I am stuck on my 2nd-great
grandmother's
> parents and their family. Her name was Maria Patrocinio? or Patrocinia?
Dimas born on
> the 17th of September of 1883 and baptized on the 1st of October 1883.
She had a
> daughter who is my great grandmother named Vicenta Camarena with a man
whose name I
> still don't know besides his last name (Camarena). Maria Patrocinio? or
Patrocinia? Dimas
> moved to the United States and lived in Silver City New Mexico where she
re-married to a
> man named Marcos Acevedo. She was the daughter of Santiago Dimas and Maria
De la
> Rosa. Santiago's parents w ere Macedonio? or Celedonio? Dimas and Petra
Ramirez.
> Maria De la Rosa (whom which I am more interested in) was the daughter of
Juan De la
> Rosa? or just Rosa? and Victoria De Abila. So far that is all I know. I
am more interested
> in Maria De la Rosa and her parents since I want to find my mothers direct
maternal
> lineage. Thank You to anyone who took the time to read my message and
decided to help
> :)
Hi :) thank you so much for your help and unfortunately no I do not know where Maria de la Rosa was born I only know the information on the post. And actually I only have the record for Refugia Dimas Rosa. I do know that Patrocinia Dimas Rosa was born in Jerez, Zacatecas but that is the only think I forgot to mention on my post. I also just looked for those records you found and yes those are her daughters and I believe then that her name was Maria Leocadia Rosa - Avila since on Patrocinia's baptism record it shows Santiago Dimas and Maria Rosa as her parents and lists the same grandparents shown on Petra Dimas - Rosa's baptism record.
I just listened to a very interesting podcast about the Spanish Inqusition.
Introduction