Nuestros Ranchos Site

Just a question to those of you who are professional researchers and earn or help earn a living from your reseach.  I know it cost money, time and endless hours to put together the data base and search methods you have.  When you join a group like this and people ask for a lot of information or help to further their lines, where do you draw the line?  How do you determine who you charge or how much information to give away.
 
I know I asked Jonathan for info abt one of his wifes lines and when he did not respond I assumed it was because he was a professional but I think I was wrong and he was just busy with so many requests.  What is fair for those in the group to ask for and when should we be willing to pay for a professionals help?
 
Linda in Everett

Corrine,
Thanks! I managed to get it in the right place and to delete my recent
error. I still haven't figured out how to delete the original folder, which
is now unnecessary. Any more ideas?

So where can I find your new Gonzalez file?

Thanks again!

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Corrine Ardoin wrote:

> Raquel:
>
> Yeah, I did the same thing. I first uploaded my Gonzalez file separate
> from
> my other file. I just uploaded it again through my original genealogy
> file. You go to your genealogy file where your other family trees are and
> click on Edit. Then you go through that process again of uploading a file
> and it will be added to your genealogy file. Then you just delete the
> other
> one. Of course, if someone has an easier way, I'd like to know, too!
>
> Corrine Ardoin
> Santa Maria, California

What areas of Jalisco?

Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739

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From: announce-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:announce-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of mexirishman
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:16 PM
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New GEDCOM with families from Jerez, El Segrario Aguascalientes, Cienega De Mata Jalisco, etc.

Hello everyone,

I'm a new member to this group, and I wanted to let you know I have uploaded my GEDCOM which includes over 6,000 names. A lot of this tree is from Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, and Jalisco.

Sincerely,
Norberto Menchaca Morales III

I don´t know if it is a possible way, but could there be a "marriage information" film for your quest period? maybe
 
Leticia Leon
 
--- El lun 16-mar-09, Corrine Ardoin escribió:

De:: Corrine Ardoin
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Marriage Record Quest
A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: lunes, 16 marzo, 2009, 9:28 am

I have been on a quest for the marriage record of Benigno Cabral and
Pioquinta Gonzalez.

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George & Peggy know their stuff. The couple had at least three children (1852, 1855 & 1856) but more than likely four or more that were born in San Diego, Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco. So, the marriage should have taken place there prior to 1852. There is also a fourth child born in 1854 to the Benigno Cavral and Antonia Gonsalez. Pia's (pioquinta) mother's name might have been Maria Antonia Gonsalez. So, maybe that is why Benigno Cavral is seen having a child with Antonia Gonsalez. Antonia might be another of Pioquinta's names.

Jaime

Thank you, agian. Because of this, I was able to make several additions to my genealogy!

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

George Ryskamp is a professor of linguistics at Brigham Young University in Provo, Utah. He and Peggy, his wife, have been doing research for many years and have published books and written articles. I doubt that he is part of the Nuestros Ranchos community. He specializes in research in Spain and has presented at genealogical conferences in the United States and Spain. If you would like more information on them, then I suggest you Google them.

I had not seen your genealogical file prior to my last post. So, I did not realize that you already had some of the information I posted.

Hi Linda,

How are you? I'm so happy you belong to this site as well. I just discovered it a few days ago.

Linda, that was a beautiful story and you are a very beautiful person for doing this for someone. My family and I are always telling EVERYONE about what you did for us. Because of you, I have all of my Menchaca ancestors that I have been looking for, for so long. Only if my grandpa didn't die two years ago, he would know who his ancestors were as well.

I can't thank you enough for all that you do. I hope you get this.

Always,
Norberto Menchaca Morales III

Congratulations on your new family member. I will put posting on Rootswb on
my to-do list.

Thank-you for sharing that story. You have reminded me that I got started
on getting my files together to post on Rootsweb, but never finished. I
think only of the insignificance of the information to my own research, that
it's just a bunch of useless information to my direct line ancestry. But,
you have reminded me that what may be insignificant to me, may be of great
importance to another. Thank-you, again, for sharing that.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Linda..this is what our research is all about...to be able to help others who need help..that is a wonderful story..Raul

--- On Sat, 3/7/09, longsjourney wrote:

From: longsjourney
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Finding lost family
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 5:29 PM

I just wanted to share something wonderful that has happened because I post my
files on Rootsweb.com.

I was contacted by a lady who said she had found out she was a Castanon by
birth and was searching for her fathers line even though she never met him and
was brought up by a step father. She said they were from Cutler and Dinuba Ca.
and since my gr-grandparents, Vicente Castanon and Maria Gertruds Caldera, had
lived there until their deaths in the 1940s I felt there must be some kind of
connection. I contacted a cousin who grew up there and she was able to contact
someone who knew who this lady was and is putting her in contact with half
brothers and sisters she didn't know she had. She is very excited and happy
to be able to find the missing part of her family of origin. I don't know
how it will work out but at least she gets a chance to find out.

I asked her how she found me and she said she saw my files on Rootsweb.com and
hoped I would respond. She is the reason I post my records in the hopes that I
can help someone else to reclaim a history, a family or a connection to the
past.

just wanted to share this wonderful story.

Linda in Everett

Awsome Linda in Everett! that makes every effort worthy; for us because of the satisfaction, which is a poor word to describe the sentiment, and for the others because they enjoy the consequences of keeping the search. I hope it results fine for every body and for you recieve my congratulation and a big hug; is it worth to make the dance, some refers when making a find? anyway I wish you a happy dance!
 
Leticia Leon

--- El sáb 7-mar-09, longsjourney escribió:

De:: longsjourney
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Finding lost family
A: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: sábado, 7 marzo, 2009, 7:29 pm

I just wanted to share something wonderful that has happened because I post my
files on Rootsweb.com.

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Sorry Victoriano, this message is for Patricia Burton. She is right about the indexes, you can never assume they are 100% accurate. For anyone reading this, I am sorry about posting it within this article and pay close attention to the name variations. Many of you already know this but for those that do not or need a reminder, always check different variations in the spelling.

Patricia,
I do not know if you are aware of these other children of Juan and Estrefania. Chances are that these are all family of Cipriana. There are probably other family members that I did not find. It looks like the family was in Octolán first and then Toluquila and finally settled in Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México. Some of my family is from Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México so we might end up being cousins. Here you go this might help you.

By the way Victoriano I might end up being related to you also since I also have Sepeda's (Zepeda, Cepeda) in Coahuila also.

Name: Vicente Godines De La Torre
Gender: Male
Christening date: 29 Jul 1902
Christening place: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, México
Residence: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Juan Godines
Mother name: Estefania De La Torre
Batch number: I02248-7
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 222145
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Manuel Godinez
Gender: Male
Christening date: 14 Jun 1906
Christening place: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Juan Godinez
Mother name: Estefania Torres
Batch number: I02154-7
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 222147
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Nicolas Godinez
Gender: Male
Christening date: 08 Oct 1893
Christening place: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Juan Godinez
Mother name: Estefana Alatorre
Batch number: I06361-2
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 222137
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Cipriana Godines
Gender: Female
Christening date: 09 Oct 1884
Christening place: Toluquilla, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Toluquilla, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Juan Godines
Mother name: Estefana Alatorre
Batch number: I04462-3
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 445248
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Gemela Francisca Godines
Gender: Female
Christening date: 06 Oct 1893
Christening place: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Juan Godines
Mother name: Estefana Alatorre
Batch number: I06361-2
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 222137
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Martina Godines
Gender: Female
Christening date: 16 Feb 1883
Christening place: Octolán, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Ocotlán, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Juan Godines
Mother name: Estefania Alatorre
Batch number: I03736-7
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 280867
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

Name: Tomas Godriez
Gender: Male
Christening date: 12 Mar 1897
Christening place: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Residence: Atotonilco el Alto, Jalisco, Mexico
Father name: Juan Godriez
Mother name: Estefama Alatorre
Batch number: I04903-3
Record group: Mexico-EASy
Film number: 222140
Collection: Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900

George a few suggestions:

Look at the marriage record of the children of Nicolas to try to narrow down his death date. His burial record might mention who his parents are, where he was born, if he “Testo” (left a will). Keep in mind that he might not have been native to Aguascalientes.

Look for the christening record of the grandchildren of Nicolas. In those records the paternal and maternal grandparents are often mentioned and if they are deceased or not. By looking at the christening records you can find out when the grandparents died pretty easily, e.g. one child is christened and grandfather and or grandmother is or are alive, next christening grandfather and or grandmother is or are dead. Now you know to look for the death(s) between those two christening dates.

You also should look at "Información Matrimonial", if you have not done so already, and not just Nicolas's marriage record to Josepha. You need to look for the children and grandchildren’s records. You never know who will need a dispensa that might give you further generations.

Instead of working your way back you might get some breaks by working your way in the opposite direction.

The "Información Matrimonial" often has further information about: where the groom is from, where he now resides and for how long, his age, who his parents are, where they are from, If they are living or deceased, any prior marriage (to whom and how long since widowed or divorced), If he is part of the military, and the same goes for the bride (except for the military). Normally there are about four or more pages that might help further your research. For instance, sometimes the witnesses are relatives, the parents of the bride write a letter of consent, or a dispensa might be required.

If the Información Matrimonial is not found at the parish level then you need to look at the Juristiction for your parish. Which Archdiocese did your parish belong too? Once you find out then search for the Información Matrimonial at the Archdiocese.

Other records are often found at the Archdiocese. Like padrones (similar to a census) and confirmation records. The confirmations can give clues as to which of the children did not reach adulthood. Often children die while they are young, thus they are never confirmed. Why do I mention this, because now you know that you do not need to look as hard for the child’s marriage?

Always pay close attention to information in the margins especially if you see the word dispensa. Information in the margin usually has additional and or clarifying information.

I got a few hits when I was looking through pilot (Pilot.FamilySearch.org), you might want to take a look. Try name variations. Sorry I do not have any other information on your ancestors.
I have not researched that line yet. I hope some of these suggestions help you and or others.

P.S. You might want to try this same aproch for Thomas Macias. Nicolas and him are more than likely either brothers or cousins.

Regards,

Eduardo H Seoane

I think they should be Macías-Valadés due to the time fram of early Aguascalientes.
-Daniel

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My MTDNA is A and is posted on Felix site, male Cubillos DNA is from the Balkans(I?) and Rodriguez is Q3, Robles is R1bI. All on Felix site.

Hope to see some matches.

Diversity...and it keeps on with the additions of Swedes, Norwegians and Portuguese(Azoreans) to the Robles line and other Americans of Spanish-Mexican heritage.

Alot of ancient mixing in Espana, Mexico and the US. No superior pure group. Which is wonderful!

Moctezuma was royalty. I am not related, but those who are, are royalty.

Sylvia Rodriguez Robles

Alicia,
If you and your brothers have the same mother, they do not need to characterized their mtDNA. Is the same yours, and also the same as your grandmother, greatgrandmother....or the sons and daughters from the female side (e.g., if your mother has a sister, her children will share your mtDNA. The analogous situation would be with the Y-chromosome. As long as their is only one father, thats all you need.

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alicia Carrillo"
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:21:51 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA test results

Well I finally had my mtDNA performed and received the results today. I can now join Gary Felix's site for the mtDNA, Amerind project. My Haplogroup is A which arose about 50,000 years ago in Central Asia. Haplogroup A was first found among the aboriginal American population. It is one of the five mitochondrial lineages found in aboriginal Americans in North and South America. I guess thanks to my mother and my mother's mother's mothers, I am truly an American.

Now that I've had myself tested, I'll have one of my brothers submit a sample for YDNA and mtDNA and wait to see what the results are.
As the woman on the Comcast commercial says when she's running after the gentleman who's jogging on the track, and she approaches him in her heels and suit to share with him her great deal with Comcast and in conclusion she says, "I'm pumped" ................that's how I feel now...........I'm pumped and excited about my Native American ancestry.

There were no high resolution matches to date, only low resolution matches, two from Mexico, one from the USA and one from England.

I'm afraid I still don't know how to interpret the table with the HVR1 differences from CRS. If anyone has any wisdom to share with respect to DNA testing results and how to read or interpret the findings or knows of literature other than what's on the website that is comprehensive, I would appreciate your assistance.

Alicia

Alicia, I also am Haplo Group A but apparently we are not a match, boy, would that have been something to celebrate! 
 
Not sure if you noticed in the link section go to DNA and then Indigenous DNA.  It has a chart showing the migration patterns and the bands that make up each group including the one in Mexico.  It's at the very end of the article but very, very interesting..
 
Linda in Everett

--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

From: Alicia Carrillo
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA test results
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 10:21 PM

Well I finally had my mtDNA performed and received the results today. I can now
join Gary Felix's site for the mtDNA, Amerind project. My Haplogroup is A
which arose about 50,000 years ago in Central Asia. Haplogroup A was first found
among the aboriginal American population. It is one of the five mitochondrial
lineages found in aboriginal Americans in North and South America. I guess
thanks to my mother and my mother's mother's mothers, I am truly an
American.

Now that I've had myself tested, I'll have one of my brothers submit a
sample for YDNA and mtDNA and wait to see what the results are.
As the woman on the Comcast commercial says when she's running after the
gentleman who's jogging on the track, and she approaches him in her heels
and suit to share with him her great deal with Comcast and in conclusion she
says, "I'm pumped" ................that's how I feel
now...........I'm pumped and excited about my Native American ancestry.

There were no high resolution matches to date, only low resolution matches, two
from Mexico, one from the USA and one from England.

I'm afraid I still don't know how to interpret the table with the HVR1
differences from CRS. If anyone has any wisdom to share with respect to DNA
testing results and how to read or interpret the findings or knows of literature
other than what's on the website that is comprehensive, I would appreciate
your assistance.

Alicia

Rachel,

I found many articles on the family tree DNA web page, however because I am not one with a high degree of medical and scientific language, it's difficult for me to understand what I'm reading in language for the common man. I will keep reading and trying to wade my way through it, and if I manage to gleen just a tidbit, well it's better than not trying at all.
Thanks again,
Alicia

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From: RaquelRuiz
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:28:08 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Article

I just finished reading an article some of you may find of interest: "The Genetic Legacy of Religious Diversity and Intolerance: Paternal Lineages of Christians, Jews, and Muslims in the Iberian Peninsula" by Susan M. Adams, et al, in the Dec. 12, 2008 issue of The American Journal of Human Genetics, Vol. 83, pp 725-736. I don't pretend to understand all of it, but grasped enough to feel the reading worthwhile. I had to get the assistance of someone with access to a medical library to get it, but you all may have your own resources.