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Is there anyone in the group who can do a Mexican Border Crossing record search for me and send me the underlying information and perhaps image for the following person:

LEONIDAS PINEDO
Crossed at Brownsville Municipal Airport

Thanks.

I was able to locate the Mexican Border Crossings on Ancestry.com by clicking on "our latest additions" View All. Then, near the bottom of the next page, I clicked on "view all recent record additions. Like all their information, you can type in a name and view a list with some dates, but once you click on "view record," they ask you to subscribe. So, you can't see the actual records unless you are a paid subsriber. It is too bad the LDS church does not get Ancestry.com anymore.

I was able to find several of what I believe are my ancestors. I still would like to see the actual record, though, before I say it's them for sure.

Corrine Ardoin

Thanks!!!! I just looked now and I'm finally finding alllllll kinds of
answers to questions.
I'm filling in gaps to stories I was told and it's all coming together!
Thanks for the heads-up!

Peggy Delgado

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mexicanfhr
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:15 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] US-Mexico Border Crossing Records ONLINE

I just wanted to let everyone know, that Ancestry now has the "Border
Crossings: From Mexico to U.S., 1903-1957" online now.

Jonathan

I'm interested in the possible Rivas connection. I'm a Rivas from the
Colotlan area and am now curious who Ramona Rivas' parents are. I'll be
working at my FHC on Aug 2nd and have scheduled to look some of these
Casas Rivas children up.

MARIA APOLONIA CASAS RIVAS
Christening:
14 APR 1827 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

Father: GUMESINDO DE CASAS
Mother: MARIA RAMONA RIVAS

Batch No.:C602868 Film No. 0443678

take care,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
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http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
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CMWPaloAlto@aol.com wrote:
> Thank you! As I have completed some 40 years and some 1700 ancestors and
> descendents of my own line, i am attempting to asssist her in her line. Ysidro was
> married three times, Apolonia was 3rd wife, they had three children, Antonio,
> born Tlaltenango 1848, Franciso, and Maria. Antonio, my wifes father went to
> Jerez then to Mazatlan and became a large land owner (Tobacco, Chocolates.
> brewery etc.) Again, thanks and I will send for the film. We reside Palo Alto, Ca
>
> Gracias, Clemente
>
>
>
>
>

Daniel,

I found a bit more info. about María Dionicia de Pedroza. She was baptized 11 March 1706 in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco (Film 0221406 Baptisms 1701-1718 San Juan de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jal. Mexico). Her parents are listed as Antonio de Pedroza and Rosa María Macías Valadez (aka Rosa María Valadez). María Dionicia had some siblings. I found two sisters, Mariana and María Gertrudis de Pedroza. María Gertrudis married Andres Muñoz de Nava 15 Feb 1727 in Lagos (LDS Film 0221513 Marriages 1720-1740 Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jal.). Andrés was a native of Jalos. His parents were Dimas Muñoz de Nava and Thomasa Martín. All this info. from IGI records.

I thought you would like to know. I hope you find out who Nicolás Díaz Tiscareño's parents were. I have an idea but will have to do some more checking.

Bill Figueroa

Dear Esperanza:
I got up early this morning and worked on my spreadsheet. I found some information on Juan Duarte and Maria Rocha in my file. I will email you the information and if you are interested, when I have time, I will scan the records I have to you. I have not linked them directly to my Rochas, but with time there may be a connection to be found!

Maureen Bejar

Dear Esperanza:
I have never been to Mexico at all. Would love to see the pictures. Thank you for the information on the area. so... my husband's ancestors were bootleggers....hmmm. Could explain the attraction as my own grandfather had a speakeasy here in Indiana. LOL.

Well the Rochas certainly were prevalent in Tangancicuaro.

I checked my spreadsheet so far and could not find any of your relations. I did find Ramon Duarte born in 1923, who is the grandson of Guadalupe Bejar. His parents were Juan Duarte and Mercedes Estrada, however his wife was Esperanza Magdalino and date is too early, so the Ramon Duarte in my records is unlikely the same. I have many Maria Rochas, but so far none married to Duarte's, but I still have many records not recorded.

I do not have a Maria Madrigal Rocha yet, but I have a Josefa Madrigal married to a David Rocha with one child so far named Patricio.

I will keep looking and let you know. I have not even scratched the surface of the baptisms I have, I have not entered the confirmations yet, nor any of the marriages, so there is still lots to look through.

Message for Daniel Méndez del Camino

Hi Daniel,

I've been through all the baptismal records from Parroquia del Sagrario de Aguascalientes (1701-1719) included in LDS microfilm No. 299424. I wish I could tell you otherwise, but none of the baptismal records from that period include paternal or maternal grandparents. You only have that luxury in the 19th century. The early 18th century records only include parents and godparents (padres y padrinos).

>From the film mentioned above I extracted baptismal information for most "españoles" baptized during the 1701-1719 time period. About 130 children in 1707, so multiply 130 children times 19 years and you get a grand total of about 2470 baptisms for that period. However, I didn't find a Nicolas Diaz Tiscareño among them.

Send me the names and other info. of your last known Diaz Tiscareño ancestors (properly documented) who lived in the early or mid-18th century, and I'll try to find the connection in my database. I now have 7244 individuals (I just checked the statistics) most of them connected into one huge family tree from Aguascalientes, Zacatecas and Altos de Jalisco.

Rgds,

Bill Figueroa

I may be at the Family History Center in Salt Lake in
a couple of weeks and would be happy to look it up for
you if you are still in need of the info. I am also
researching family in Mascota, Jalisco and it wouldn't
be a big deal to search for those names.
Lavaniya Jimenez

--- kitty_cortez wrote:

>
> I have a request for a film look-up. We are looking
> for the baptism record of Magdalena LOPEZ Rodrigues
> born 22 Jul 1901. Mascota, Jalisco. Her SSDI shows
> 1901, but the vital records for Calif death records
> shows the birthdate as 22 Jul 1898. So if someone
> has Bapt. film # 1156173 for Mascota, Jal, I would
> appreciate a look-up. We don't know the parents
> names and just found out her mother's maiden name is
> Rodrigues. I noticed the Ranchos film database has
> 3 films from Mascota and I am hoping maybe our
> listing is not up to date.
> Magdalena's siblings Alfonzo and Petra were born in
> Mazatlan, Sin. If anyone is researching that area,
> please contact me on the side.
> kcortez@starstream.net
> Thanks
> Kitty Cortez
> Rocklin, CA
>
>

If I could get the film on express delivery I'd order it just to say
thank you for all the look ups you've done for me and other members of
the group. Unfortunately I can't and would only have to wait the same
number of weeks for it to arrive. sorry my friend I don't have the film,
wish I did so I could help.

thanks for all you do.

joseph

====================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

kitty_cortez wrote:
> I have a request for a film look-up. We are looking for the baptism record of Magdalena LOPEZ Rodrigues born 22 Jul 1901. Mascota, Jalisco. Her SSDI shows 1901, but the vital records for Calif death records shows the birthdate as 22 Jul 1898. So if someone has Bapt. film # 1156173 for Mascota, Jal, I would appreciate a look-up. We don't know the parents names and just found out her mother's maiden name is Rodrigues. I noticed the Ranchos film database has 3 films from Mascota and I am hoping maybe our listing is not up to date.
> Magdalena's siblings Alfonzo and Petra were born in Mazatlan, Sin. If anyone is researching that area, please contact me on the side. kcortez@starstream.net
> Thanks
> Kitty Cortez
> Rocklin, CA
>
>

Dear Esperanza:
I finished my last microfilm (I am taking a break for about six months) a few weeks ago and it was LDS# 1855592 the church records from Nuestra Senora de Asuncion Tangancicuaro de Arista. Sadly, none of the films from Tangancicuaro have been extracted and computerized yet so you have to order the films to see what is on them. I wish I had known earlier and I could have looked to see if there was anything you needed on this film. It has now gone back to Utah. But I had made copies of all the records containing the names Rocha or Bejar. I think I have over 1,000 copies and I am in the process of putting them on a spreadsheet and linking the family groups. Consequently, the Rocha's and Bejar's married into various families such as Alvarez, Fernandez (also spelled Fernandes, Hernandes, Hernandez and Jernandes, Jernandez and Journandez), Zamora, Gomez (also Gomes), Valdes (also Valdez, Valdis, Valdiz), Navarro, Montanes, Pacherco, Castillo, Rodriguez, Rincon, Magana, only to name a few, so I still may be able to help. Some of the ranches involved were Puentevillas, La Huarucha, and San Antonio, plus the city of Tangancicuaro itself. Some of the baptimal records have notations of marriages in El Valle. I was intending to do some research as I thought they might have been referring to the Jalisco El Valle, but now I know there is another El Valle in Michoacan, thanks to you! Many of the families from the Tangancicuaro area came up to Chicago, East Chicago and Northwest Indiana to work in the steel mills in the 30's and 40's.
This film had a wealth of information on it. It had baptisms from early 1900's to the 1930's, marriages from 1907-1931, plus a handful of informational marriages and thousands of confirmations. I copied whole pages of confirmations as there were usually several Rochas on each page.
Although I am still in the process of entering information in the spreadsheet, I would be happy to do a search for anyone you are looking for. Let me know.

Maureen Bejar

I'm reseaching my Gutierrez and Mendez lines in Jalisco who came from Michoacan in 1780's. They were from Valle de Guadalupe, Chilchota, Michoacan going back to 1620 or so in the records. This town still exists. A lot of the Tangancicuaro records for those years are in the Chilchota records as well as the Tlazazalca records. What names are you researching from that area?
Linda in B.C.

Latina1955@aol.com wrote:
I have just returned from a trip to Guadalajara, and a small ranch known as
Nopalitos (near Arandas), as well as Zamora and surrounding villages.

I got some great pictures of refurbished hacienda (pictures will follow) for
the ranch...this family's surname is Hernandez....

While in Michoacan, I got some great information from a great aunt (on my
husband's side of the family), but when I tried looking up the information at
family search, I realized that the pueblo was not founded until the late 1800's
or early 1900's...and although this great aunt testified that the family
members were all born in El Valle de Guadalupe, Michoacan(going back to at least
the mid 1800's)....none of the names given were associated with the
village...but some seem to be associated with Tangancicuaro...which is where
currently most of the residents conduct their legal affairs. Can anybody help me with
this?

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I am so-o-o sorry to hear about your database being compromised. I hope you
are able to fix it without having to start over. I only have about 23,000
names, but I figured that it would take me a solid year of ten-hour days to
redo all that work. And you have twice as many names. I wish you the
best.

~Deena Ortiz~
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

> I just posted my updated files on Rootsweb and need to warn anyone using
> them to know they are compromised. I merged FTM from my two different
> computers after I got a virus last year. It not only eliminated some
> records it merged families and gave spouses to the wrong people in the
> wrong states in Mexico. The only way I have of finding and making
> corrections if is someone contacts me about finding an error in a record,
> then I can correct it. I have over 40,000 names so it's impossible for me
> to find them all even though I am trying very hard to fix the problem
> without just starting over.

Daniel,
I've done extensive research on the Tiscareno line and have a ton of
info, but it's not well organized right now...stopped working on it a
few years ago. I will sift through it and reply as soon as possible. I'm
a teacher & have the first day of school tomorrow, so I'm quite busy
tonight. However, I'll try to get back to you this weekend.

Connie Dominguez

----- Original Message -----
From: mormonboy74
Date: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:00 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diaz de Tiscareno Family
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

>
> Does anyone descend from this line? I need some help. I have done
> research about the this family extensivley? And have come to a
> conclusion that this surname was created when Antonio Dias de la
> Loma married Luis Tiscareno de Molina y Ruis de Esparza. Does
> anyone about this stuff? I do have Antonio del Pascual y Dias de la
> Loma's baptism record. He was baptized Antonio del Pascual y Dias
> de la Loma on February 10, 1645 ( I have the film #) in Villalba De
> La Loma, Valladolid, Spain, (thats prob where his mother got the
> Dias de la Loma surname, from the city name? His parents are
> Antonio DEL PASCUAL, yes, PASCUAL is the surname. and his mother
> Maria Dias de la Loma, for some reason when he arrived in Mexico
> prob. around 1670 or so becuase he was married in 1674 to Luisa
> Tiscareno de Molina y Ruis de Esparza in Aguascalientes (Luisa's
> mother is Lorenza Ruis de Esparza y Navarro de Gabay b. ca. 1600.
> All the Tiscareno must be related because we do know tha Luis
> Tiscareno de Molina
> y Marqu
> es brought to Mexico from Triana, Seville, Castilla-La Mancha,
> Spain around 1620. He was married to Lorenza de Esparza on May 16,
> 1623 in Aguas. This is my fathers line and would like to know more
> about it: Here is the list:
>
> Daniel Alejandro Mendez del Camino b. 2 Jun 1992 in San Jose,
> California, United States
> Jose Gabriel Mendez Cortez b. 24 Mar 1956 in Tamazula de Gordiano,
> JaliscoMartin Mendez Serrano b. Feb 1917 in Tamazula de Gordiano,
> JaliscoLucia Serrano Rubio b. ca. 1889 in Tamazula de Gordiano,
> JaliscoMaria Daria Atilana del Refugio Rubio Aceves b. Oct 1856 in
> Zapotiltic, Jalisco
> Jose Antonio Rubio Diaz b.ca. 1814 in Tepatitlan de Morelos, Jalisco
> Maria Guadalupe Dias de Tiscareno y Gutierres b.ca. 1790 in
> Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco
> Joseph Joachin Dias de Tiscareno y de Ruvio b.ca. 1770 in
> Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco
> Nicolas Miguel Dias de Tiscareno y de la Pedrosa b. Jan 1734 in
> Ojuelos, Jalisco (baptz. in Cienega de Mata
> Nicolas Dias de Tiscareno b. ca. 1705 in Aguascalientes,
> AguascalientesMISSING GENERATION (BUT I THINK THAT GRANPARENTS ARE
> ANTONIO DIAS DE LA LOMA AND LUISA DE TISCARENO, I WILL ORDER THE
> FILM FOR THE CHILDREN AND FIND THE GRANDPARENTS!)
> Luisa Tiscareno de Molina y Ruis de Esparza b. ca. 1650 in
> Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes
> Lorenza Ruis de Esparza b. ca. 1610 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes
> Lope Ruiz de Esparza b.ca. 1569 en Ciudad Esparza, Pamplona,
> Navarre, Spain
>
>
> Thanks, hopefully theres someone out there that shares the same
> family! -Daniel Mendez del Camino
>
>
>

I researched my grandfather's border crossing. I knew about the time and
place he crossed (1930 in California), but much to my surprise I found that
he had crossed years earlier in El Paso! None of his children (my dad, aunts
and uncles) knew about this crossing. Plus, on the document that was filled
out, he had indicated that he did frequently cross the border to work in the
mines in Arizona. So just a word of warning...don't limit your searches to
what you know. It's a great starting point, but prepared to look further.

Another wonderful discovery was his physical description as recorded by the
border guard...down to the scar on my grandfather's face!

Veronica Vidaure Rahorn

----- Original Message -----
From: "nc_coleman"
To:
Sent: 30 June, 2007 15:42
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Border Crossing Records

>
> The National Archives site provides a lot of background information - the
> why and how - of the border crossing records. See that information at this
> site:
>
> http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/immigration/border-mexico.html
>
> This will provide valuable insight into why, how, and what information was
> gathered. Parts 2,3, & 5 are particularly informative.
>
> Since my family crossed into US in 1916, I am waiting for the border
> records from El Paso, 1905-1927 (non-statistical): A3406, comprised of 119
> rolls. Also want to see A3412, statistical, comprised of 96 rolls.
>
> The filming is scheduled to be completed by next spring or summer, I think
> (2008).
>
> Natalie
>
>

Hi Daniel,

Most of the land grants in the all Nueva Galicia region must be in the
Archivo General del Estado de Jalisco, which holds the old Archives of the
Audiencia de Nueva Galicia, the one in charge of those land grants. To know
which ones correspond to the haciendas you're interested in you must go back
to the original owners in early colonial times. The haciendas were formed
from several portions of land granted in different times and later sold and
bought by private people. There were no land grants in late colonial times
or independent Mexico, so the land grant made on Feb 17, 1899 in Huanusco
sounds rather strange.

You may get some information on your ancestors ownership of those haciendas
in the municipal archives.

What your grandfather says about the abolishing of the Hacendados is wrong.
Nothing happened in 1917, but until 1934-36 and after, when rather than
abolishing, the government expropiated big portions of private land to be
given to the peasants, but not to be kept in the hands of the government.
The haciendas or hacendados weren't abolished but substantially reduced and
many of the owners couldn't keep their haciendas because they became
economically improductive, as the most land production did. The hacendados
didn't work on behalf of the government.

Regards,
Hector Felix Aizcorbe

>From: mormonboy74
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Land Grants
>Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 23:19:52 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Does anybody know how to obtain copies of land grants given to the
>Espanoles in Mexico? I know I descend from several HAcendados from old
>Mexico, but im most interested in the land grant made on Feb 17, 1899 in
>Huanusco, Zacatecas. They have an original copy at the Hacienda de la Luz
>where my moms side of the family owned. The Camino family. My 3rd great
>grandfather Mariano Camino b. 1853 owned HAcienda de la Luz from 1899 to
>his death in 1915. Then his son (my 2 great grand uncle) suceeded him as
>the next Hacendado his name was Manuel Camino (b. 1878). He only had the
>hacienda for two years. (1915-1917). In 1917 is when my grandfather says
>the Mexican gov't abolished all the HAcendados, Haciendas, and made all the
>land under the control of the govt. Prior to 1917 the Haciendas were "self"
>governed by representation of the HAcendado on behalf of the gov't. I
>would also like to obtain other land grants for other haciendad their
>family owned. Hacienda La Labor en Calvillo, A
> gs. I wa
> s thinking it might be in the Archivo General de la Nacion, but not sure
>where to look. Only one child of Mariano was actually born on the hacienda
>which was Amilia Camino (b. 1899) when the hacienda was officially
>established. Does anyone have any advice? Thanks a lot. Any help is
>appreciated. -Daniel Mendez del Camino

I am doing ALL of the Carlos de Godoy /Godoy/Godoi
They can contact me scorona@rcac.org

Sylvia H Corona

Hello Primo Joseph:
My lines are listed as Carlos de Godoy. I have ancestors from Rancho las Lunas with various surnames.
Saludos, Helyn in Northern California

Joseph Puentes wrote:

Who if anyone is doing Godoy/Godoi research either in Tlaltenango or
Tepechitlan? Possibly from a rancho called Rancho las Lunas?

I have a cousin who is doing this research and wanted to see if he has
cousins in the group.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

Arturo,

I am one that had made a request of you for look-ups at your NARA. In the meantime, I wrote to Suzanne Harris and she is currently trying to find that information for me on my father, Guadalupe Olague who came to Colorado through El Paso in 1913. She had no information on my husband's grandfather, Primitivo Garcia or his great-grandfather Simon Garcia who came to El Paso around 1895. She said the records she has do not go back that far. Apparently the records only go back to 1906 (for El Paso, TX and Columbus, NM crossings).

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

Emilie, EUREKA!!! I got in and got accepted! Did you have 2 challenges attached to the bottom of the acceptance email about locating a particular person from the WWII records? Anyway, thanks for all your support; it helped me keep plugging away. Good luck in your searches. Alice

--- auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com wrote:

From: "Emilie Garcia"
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Records Search Registration
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 05:30:10 -0700

Alice,

I finally found the page I used to register. I hope the link below works on your end. If it doesn't, it could be that they are overwhelmed with requests to register and can't handle them all. They tried to limit the number of users so they can effectively handle the feedback and work out the kinks in the pilot, so they might be blocking further requests for registration.

http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/web/register

Emilie

I was able to access the 1930 Mexico Census records, but I didn't see any records for Tlaltenango, Zacatecas or Torreon, Coahuila. Can someone help me?

Chris Pineda