I am a descendant of the Juan Caliz also. I descend throught the Arredondos who married Santos COy and the Yslas Palacios of the mining area of Villaldama, Nuevo Leon who also married Santos Coy.
THe dna testing the results posted out on Gary Felix's Genealogy of Mexico website suggest a semitic origin to the family.
I have attached a pdf file of what I have so far. I have used the books of Garemendia Leal and the archives of monterrey as sources for this information.
FAMILIAS DE MONTERREY, TOMO III
http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/searchdb.asp
Hello Esther,
Can you tell me where within the Gary Felix site there is the reference to the Santos in Tamulipas who had his Y-chromosome tested & found semitic heritage? The Gary Felix site is fascinating but I never know if I have completely searched it.
Thanks, Jan Jaeckle
eaherold@att.net wrote:
I have attached a pdf file of what I have so far. I have used the books of Garemendia Leal and the archives of monterrey as sources for this information.
FAMILIAS DE MONTERREY, TOMO III
http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/searchdb.asp
I have Bernardo Santos COy married 2 times.
Also, at the Genealogy of Mexico site by Gary Felix there is a Santos out there from Tamulipias that had the y-dna tested and it looks like the origin is semitic not european.
http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm
I hope this helps.
Let me know if there is more I can do.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from "phyls esparza"
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> do not know if this is correct but this is what we have found on the
> Coy........
>
> Descendants of Juan de Calis
>
>
>
>
> Generation No. 1
>
>
> 1. JUAN1 DE CALIS was born 1575. He married CATALINA GOMEZ DE COY.
>
>
> Child of JUAN DE CALIS and CATALINA DE COY is:
>
> 2. i. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS2 COY, b. 1603.
>
>
>
> Generation No. 2
>
>
> 2. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS2 COY (JUAN1 DE CALIS) was born 1603. He married
> BEATRIZ RUELAS ROJO.
>
>
> Children of BERNARDO COY and BEATRIZ ROJO are:
>
> 3. i. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3 COY, b. 1625; d. 1675.
>
> ii. CATALINA DE LOS SANTOS COY, b. 1630; m. LORENZO GUTIERREZ GARCIA.
>
>
>
> Generation No. 3
>
>
> 3. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3 COY (BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS2, JUAN1 DE CALIS) was
> born 1625, and died 1675. He married INEZ DE LA CERDA 1645.
>
>
> Children of BERNARDO COY and INEZ LA CERDA are:
>
> 4. i. PEDRO COY DE4 LOS SANTOS.
>
> ii. JUAN DE CALIX COY DE LOS SANTOS, m. MARIA DIAZ.
>
> 5. iii. NICOLAS DE LOS SANTOS COY, b. 1645, Coahuila, Mexico.
>
> iv. JOSE DE LOS SANTOS COY, m. LEONARDA GUAJARDO FLORES MARTINEZ.
>
> v. DIEGO DE LOS SANTOS COY.
>
> 6. vi. ANA MARIA DE LA CERDA COY, d. 1707.
>
> vii. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS COY, m. JUANA DE CEPEDA.
>
> viii. CATALINA LOS SANTOS COY, m. (1) FRANCISCO SALAZAR TREVINO; m. (2)
> LORENZO GUTIERREZ GARCIA; b. 1600.
>
>
>
> Generation No. 4
>
>
> 4. PEDRO COY DE4 LOS SANTOS (BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3 COY, BERNARDO DE LOS
> SANTOS2, JUAN1 DE CALIS) He married FRANCISA TREVINO MORALES.
>
>
> Child of PEDRO LOS SANTOS and FRANCISA MORALES is:
>
> i. PEDRO COY5 DE LOS SANTOS, b. 1662; m. MARGARITA MARTINES DE LA GARZA
> FALCON, May 04, 1681; b. 1662.
>
>
>
> 5. NICOLAS DE LOS SANTOS4 COY (BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3, BERNARDO DE LOS
> SANTOS2, JUAN1 DE CALIS) was born 1645 in Coahuila, Mexico. He married ANA
> MARIA GUERRA.
>
>
> Child of NICOLAS COY and ANA GUERRA is:
>
> i. MARIA JOSEFA SANTOS5 COY, b. 1712; m. BLAS MARIA VILLARREAL DE LA GARZA
> FALCON, Abt 1745; b. 1712, Real de las Salinas, Nuevo Leon , Mexico; d.
> 1767, Camargo, Mexico.
>
>
>
> 6. ANA MARIA DE LA CERDA4 COY (BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3, BERNARDO DE LOS
> SANTOS2, JUAN1 DE CALIS) died 1707. She married DIEGO FERNANDEZ DE CASTRO.
> He was born 1623 in Alferez Real Diego FERNANDEZ CASTRO, and died April 18,
> 1672.
>
>
> Child of ANA COY and DIEGO DE CASTRO is:
>
> i. JOSEFA FERNANDEZ5 CASTRO, b. 1652.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leticia Leon"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ramirez De Coy
>
>
> Hi! I have no clue, yet.
> I am waiting for Lic. Mariano Gonzalez-Leal next edition of "Retonos de
> España en la Nueva Galicia", it will contain my ancestors.
> My guess is "Ramirez De Coy" was converted to "De Cos" maybe during a
> procedure to claim a royal benefit. Merely an especulation on my part.
> Ramirez De Coy is a surname that arrived to Silao in a group of hidalgos
> which is equivalent to knight
>
> It seems surname "De Leon" suddenly started been used as "De Cos Y Leon"
>
> Here an extract from an e-mail from Don Mariano to me:
>
> "Silao fue en el Virreinato asiento de importantes actividades
> agrícolas, que
> atrajeron numerosas familias españolas nobles, cuyas probanzas son válidas
> para las Órdenes Nobiliarias españolas, por ejemplo los Jasso, Ponce
> de
> León, Arguello, Fernández de Bobadilla, Fernández de Sousa, Franco de
> Escalante, Olazabalegui, Sáenz de Tagle, Muñatones de la Sierra,
> Cervantes-Rendon, Ramírez de Coy, de la Gasea, etcétera.
> Como la mayor parte de las fundaciones españolas, Silao perdió
> importancia
> con la independencia. En el siglo XIX y a partrir de la guerra de
> independencia comenzó a rezagarse, y mucho peor después de la
> revolución de
> 1910."
>
> I am not a good translator.
>
> My ancestor Miguel De Leon was born in Silao, Gto. on may 20, 1688, son of
> Jose De Leon and Gerónima Ramírez De Coy, his paternal grandparents were
> Juan De Leon and María De Escapa originals from Aragón, Spain.
>
> There is a web site related to surname Ramírez De Coy it is
> www.abuelos.com if I recall correctly.
>
> Hope answers arrive soon.
>
>
>
>
> Jan Jaeckle escribió:
>
> Hi Leticia,
>
> I noticed your correspondence included a reference to a forebear with the
> name "de Coy." Do you know anything about the name?
>
> I have an ancestor with that name, a female, Catalina Gomez de Coy married
> to Juan de Caliz, living in Lepe, Spain, very south, near Portugal. They
> lived in the late 1500's. Their son immigrated to New Spain & gave his name
> as Bernardo de los Santos Coy. The name persists in south Texas.
>
> One Mexican author I read was of the opinion that the name was from the
> Scottish McCoy, introduced into Spain by a traveler coming to visit the
> grave of Santiago.
>
> I would appreciate anything you might know.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> ¡Sé un mejor besador!
> Comparte todo lo que sabes sobre besos en:
> http://mx.yahoo.com/promos/mejorbesador.html
There is a connection between the de los Santos Coy/de la Garza Falcon families of Saltillo/Monterey and Valparaiso, Zacatecas.(Ranchos area). I tried to attach the marriage dispensation record from the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara which documents such a connection to my file in the Ranchos data but I was unsuccessful. I will retry later.
I would like to communicate with anybody with any connection with the Santos Coy of the Ranchos area. My Felgueres family has two separate marriages with the Santos Coy or de los Santos Coy or simply Coy or Coi family in the late 1700's and early 1800's.
It is clear to me that the Coys (or McCoys) of Scotland and England have absolutely no connection with the de los Santos Coy surname of Mexico which was created arbitrarily by the original Bernardo de los Santos Coy (see book "The Coy Family Reunion" by Robert Garcia and Yolanda Kirkpatrick, plus other sources). The Spanish of the 1500's and 1600's took great liberties with apellidos (surnames).
Ed
Hit the DNA link on the board.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from Jan Jaeckle : --------------
> Hello Esther,
>
> Can you tell me where within the Gary Felix site there is the reference
> to the Santos in Tamulipas who had his Y-chromosome tested & found semitic
> heritage? The Gary Felix site is fascinating but I never know if I have
> completely searched it.
>
> Thanks, Jan Jaeckle
>
>
> eaherold@att.net wrote:
> I have attached a pdf file of what I have so far. I have used the books of
> Garemendia Leal and the archives of monterrey as sources for this information.
> FAMILIAS DE MONTERREY, TOMO III
> http://www.borderlandsbooks.com/searchdb.asp
> I have Bernardo Santos COy married 2 times.
>
> Also, at the Genealogy of Mexico site by Gary Felix there is a Santos out there
> from Tamulipias that had the y-dna tested and it looks like the origin is
> semitic not european.
>
> http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Let me know if there is more I can do.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
>
> -------------- Original message from "phyls esparza"
> : --------------
>
>
> > do not know if this is correct but this is what we have found on the
> > Coy........
> >
> > Descendants of Juan de Calis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Generation No. 1
> >
> >
> > 1. JUAN1 DE CALIS was born 1575. He married CATALINA GOMEZ DE COY.
> >
> >
> > Child of JUAN DE CALIS and CATALINA DE COY is:
> >
> > 2. i. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS2 COY, b. 1603.
> >
> >
> >
> > Generation No. 2
> >
> >
> > 2. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS2 COY (JUAN1 DE CALIS) was born 1603. He married
> > BEATRIZ RUELAS ROJO.
> >
> >
> > Children of BERNARDO COY and BEATRIZ ROJO are:
> >
> > 3. i. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3 COY, b. 1625; d. 1675.
> >
> > ii. CATALINA DE LOS SANTOS COY, b. 1630; m. LORENZO GUTIERREZ GARCIA.
> >
> >
> >
> > Generation No. 3
> >
> >
> > 3. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3 COY (BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS2, JUAN1 DE CALIS) was
> > born 1625, and died 1675. He married INEZ DE LA CERDA 1645.
> >
> >
> > Children of BERNARDO COY and INEZ LA CERDA are:
> >
> > 4. i. PEDRO COY DE4 LOS SANTOS.
> >
> > ii. JUAN DE CALIX COY DE LOS SANTOS, m. MARIA DIAZ.
> >
> > 5. iii. NICOLAS DE LOS SANTOS COY, b. 1645, Coahuila, Mexico.
> >
> > iv. JOSE DE LOS SANTOS COY, m. LEONARDA GUAJARDO FLORES MARTINEZ.
> >
> > v. DIEGO DE LOS SANTOS COY.
> >
> > 6. vi. ANA MARIA DE LA CERDA COY, d. 1707.
> >
> > vii. BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS COY, m. JUANA DE CEPEDA.
> >
> > viii. CATALINA LOS SANTOS COY, m. (1) FRANCISCO SALAZAR TREVINO; m. (2)
> > LORENZO GUTIERREZ GARCIA; b. 1600.
> >
> >
> >
> > Generation No. 4
> >
> >
> > 4. PEDRO COY DE4 LOS SANTOS (BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3 COY, BERNARDO DE LOS
> > SANTOS2, JUAN1 DE CALIS) He married FRANCISA TREVINO MORALES.
> >
> >
> > Child of PEDRO LOS SANTOS and FRANCISA MORALES is:
> >
> > i. PEDRO COY5 DE LOS SANTOS, b. 1662; m. MARGARITA MARTINES DE LA GARZA
> > FALCON, May 04, 1681; b. 1662.
> >
> >
> >
> > 5. NICOLAS DE LOS SANTOS4 COY (BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3, BERNARDO DE LOS
> > SANTOS2, JUAN1 DE CALIS) was born 1645 in Coahuila, Mexico. He married ANA
> > MARIA GUERRA.
> >
> >
> > Child of NICOLAS COY and ANA GUERRA is:
> >
> > i. MARIA JOSEFA SANTOS5 COY, b. 1712; m. BLAS MARIA VILLARREAL DE LA GARZA
> > FALCON, Abt 1745; b. 1712, Real de las Salinas, Nuevo Leon , Mexico; d.
> > 1767, Camargo, Mexico.
> >
> >
> >
> > 6. ANA MARIA DE LA CERDA4 COY (BERNARDO DE LOS SANTOS3, BERNARDO DE LOS
> > SANTOS2, JUAN1 DE CALIS) died 1707. She married DIEGO FERNANDEZ DE CASTRO.
> > He was born 1623 in Alferez Real Diego FERNANDEZ CASTRO, and died April 18,
> > 1672.
> >
> >
> > Child of ANA COY and DIEGO DE CASTRO is:
> >
> > i. JOSEFA FERNANDEZ5 CASTRO, b. 1652.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Leticia Leon"
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ramirez De Coy
> >
> >
> > Hi! I have no clue, yet.
> > I am waiting for Lic. Mariano Gonzalez-Leal next edition of "Retonos de
> > Espa
Hi Ed,
Bernardo de los Santos Coy does appear to have created his name, although we cannot be sure since no one has been able to find the genealogy of his parents, especially his father, Juan de Caliz.
However, the "Coy" part of his name is from his mother, Catalina Gomez de Coy. The musing about a Scottish visitor named McCoy traveling in Spain comes from Rodolfo Gonzalez dela Garza in "Mil Familias de Tamaulipas, Nuevo Leon, Coahuila y Texas, Tomo III." His extensive info comes from documents & personal interviews. I suspect that the idea was oral Santoscoy family history suggested to Mr. Gonzalez decades ago when he did his original interviews.
Jan
Edward Serros wrote:
There is a connection between the de los Santos Coy/de la Garza Falcon families of Saltillo/Monterey and Valparaiso, Zacatecas.(Ranchos area). I tried to attach the marriage dispensation record from the Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara which documents such a connection to my file in the Ranchos data but I was unsuccessful. I will retry later.
I would like to communicate with anybody with any connection with the Santos Coy of the Ranchos area. My Felgueres family has two separate marriages with the Santos Coy or de los Santos Coy or simply Coy or Coi family in the late 1700's and early 1800's.
It is clear to me that the Coys (or McCoys) of Scotland and England have absolutely no connection with the de los Santos Coy surname of Mexico which was created arbitrarily by the original Bernardo de los Santos Coy (see book "The Coy Family Reunion" by Robert Garcia and Yolanda Kirkpatrick, plus other sources). The Spanish of the 1500's and 1600's took great liberties with apellidos (surnames).
Ed
I gund this information on Genealogia.org.mx
RE: [] 13830 Saludos desde Chile
http://groups.google.com.mx/group/Genealogia-Mexico/msg/bfe3ffedbdcf4b1a
Enrique,
Olvide mandarte lo que tengo de
Bernardo de los Santos Coy.
El Sargento Mayor Don
Bernardo de los Santos Coy.
El Sargento Mayor Don
Bernardo de los Santos Coy, nació por 1590, en Lepe, Huelva,
España, hijo de Don Juan de Cáliz y Doña Catalina Gómez de Coy;
estuvo casado con Doña María Inés de la Cerda y Fernández de
Castro (sevillana), hija de Don Fernando Canales de la Cerda y
Doña Isabel Fernández de Castro y Figueroa (nacidos y casados en
Sevilla, España, antes de 1651), así como con Doña Beatriz Rojo y
de las Ruelas, hija de Don Santos Rojo y Doña Beatriz de las
Ruelas y Navarro. Con Doña María Inés fue padre de: 1) el Capitán
Bernardo, casado con Juana de Cepeda y de la Fuente, 2) Diego, 3)
el Capitán José, 4) Juan, 5) Catarina, casada con: a) el Capitán
Lorenzo García Gutiérrez y b) Francisco Báez de Treviño Salazar,
6) Ana María, casada con el Capitán Diego Fernández de Castro y
Rodríguez, y 7) Pedro, casado con Francisca de Morales Treviño.
Con Doña Beatriz fueron padres de: 1) el Capitán Juan de Caliz,
casado con: a) Clara de Saldívar García y b) Francisca Flores de
Valdez Salazar, y 2) Pedro, casado con María del Valle y Flores
de Valdez.
Here is a Message from a member of the nuestrosranchos.org group. Have a
look at this web page for the images Benicio refers too:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16278 This album is open to the
Here is how I found the batch numbers for my specific ranchos (but there
is no guarantee there will be batch numbers for your ranchos):
1) go to the IGI
2) Under the first name put either "Jose" or "Maria"
That is more or less how I find batch numbers too, Joseph.
Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:12 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Finding Batch Numbers
Here is how I found the batch numbers for my specific ranchos (but there
is no guarantee there will be batch numbers for your ranchos):
1) go to the IGI
2) Under the first name put either "Jose" or "Maria"
3) Under the Last Name put a very very common name like "Garcia" or
"Hernandez" or "Gonzalez" etc.
4) Under Region put Mexico
5) Under State put "Jalisco" or what ever state you are looking for
6) click on search.
you will get several hundreds or probably 1000's of results. so
7) use your "Search" tool on your computer and put the name of the
rancho you are looking for. Let's say "Tamazula De Gordiano"
8) search page by page until you find an example of someone from
Tamazula De Gordiano
look for the batch number next to the film number. here is an example:
JOSSE MARIA GARCIA ARCEA Pedigree
Male
18 JUL 1798 San Francisco, Tamazula De Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents:
Father: JOSSE MA. GARCIA Family
Mother: TERESA ARCEA
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type:
Printout Call No.: Type:
C603754 1789 - 1817 0225986 Film NONE
9) now you have the batch number (C603754) for the period of time from
1789 thru 1817 so now we go about "Guessing" what the batch numbers are
for earlier and later periods
10) Plug in C603754 into the batch window on the IGI search and if you
leave Jose Garcia in you'll get all the Jose Garcia for Tamazula if y ou
take off the Jose you'll get all the Garcia but now we want to play with
the C603754 number.
11) modify C603754 to C603753 and see what happens and yes bingo we get
these results:
C603753 1783 - 1804 0225985 Film NONE
12) and again:
C603752 1761 - 1783 0225984
13) and again:
C603751 1652 - 1761 0225983
we know this is as far back as we can go by clicking on the film number
and seeing the earliest dates available on film
14) now lets guess going forward from C603754 to C603755 and we get:
C603755 1817 - 1835 0225987
15) and again to:
C603756 1835 - 1843 0225988
16) and again to:
C603757 1743 - 1850 0225989
sometimes it works like this and sometimes the numbers don't show a
pattern especially when you get the J (males) or K (females) listings.
Sometimes on the IGI search you need to do the "Jose" and "Garcia" and
"Mexico" and "Jalisco" and then insert a date for the missing set of
years in your batch numbers. Maybe there is a batch maybe there is not
for those missing years. Maybe there isn't even records for those years
so thus the missing batch records or film record for them. also you
need to limit your "Event" to marriages to find the marriages. well you
really don't have to but its easier.
well I kind of rushed through this and would be willing to explain a bit
more if any of the confusion above is more unclear that I think it is.
joseph
ps: I wish I hadn't done one that turned out to be done already
finished. as you can see from the "Related Places" in Jalisco there are
_possibilities_ for these in Jalisco:
México, Jalisco, Acatic
México, Jalisco, Acatlán de Juárez
México, Jalisco, Agostadero
México, Jalisco, Ahuacapán
México, Jalisco, Ahualulco de Mercado
México, Jalisco, Ahuijuyo
México, Jalisco, Ahuisculco
México, Jalisco, Ajijic
México, Jalisco, Amacueca
México, Jalisco, Amatitán
México, Jalisco, Ameca
México, Jalisco, Antonio Escobedo
México, Jalisco, Apulco
México, Jalisco, Arandas
México, Jalisco, Arenal
México, Jalisco, Atemajac de Brizuela
México, Jalisco, Atemajac de las Tablas
México, Jalisco, Atemajac del Valle
México, Jalisco, Atengo
México, Jalisco, Atenguillo
México, Jalisco, Atotonilco el Alto
México, Jalisco, Atotonilco el Bajo
México, Jalisco, Atotonilquillo
México, Jalisco, Atoyac
México, Jalisco, Autlán de Navarro
México, Jalisco, Ayotita
México, Jalisco, Ayotitlán
México, Jalisco, Ayotlán
México, Jalisco, Ayutla
México, Jalisco, Bajío de San José
México, Jalisco, Barra de Natvidad
México, Jalisco, Barranca de Santa Clara
México, Jalisco, Betulia
México, Jalisco, Bolaños
México, Jalisco, Buen País
México, Jalisco, Buenos Aires
México, Jalisco, Cabo Corrientes
México, Jalisco, Cabo Corrientes - Civil registration
México, Jalisco, Cajititlán
México, Jalisco, Casimiro Castillo
México, Jalisco, Cañadas de Obregón
México, Jalisco, Chacala (Cabo Corrientes)
México, Jalisco, Chacala (Cuautitlán)
México, Jalisco, Chapala
México, Jalisco, Chimaltitán
México, Jalisco, Chiquilistlán
México, Jalisco, Cihuatlán
México, Jalisco, Ciudad Guzmán
México, Jalisco, Ciénega de Mata
México, Jalisco, Cocula
México, Jalisco, Colotlán
México, Jalisco, Comanja de Corona
México, Jalisco, Concepción de Buenos Aires
México, Jalisco, Cuale
México, Jalisco, Cuautitlán
México, Jalisco, Cuautla
México, Jalisco, Cuquío
México, Jalisco, Cuzalapa
México, Jalisco, Degollado
México, Jalisco, Ejutla
México, Jalisco, El Bramador
México, Jalisco, El Chante
México, Jalisco, El Grullo
México, Jalisco, El Josefino
México, Jalisco, El Limón
México, Jalisco, El Plantar
México, Jalisco, El Puesto
México, Jalisco, El Refugio (Acatic)
México, Jalisco, El Refugio de Suchitlán
México, Jalisco, El Rufugio (Colotlán)
México, Jalisco, El Salto
México, Jalisco, El Salvador
México, Jalisco, El Tuito
México, Jalisco, Encarnación de Díaz
México, Jalisco, Etzatlán
México, Jalisco, Francsico Javier Mina
México, Jalisco, Guachinango
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara
México, Jalisco, Gómez Farias
México, Jalisco, Hostotipaquillo
México, Jalisco, Huascato
México, Jalisco, Huejuquilla el Alto
México, Jalisco, Huejúcar
México, Jalisco, Ixtlahuacán de los Membrillos
México, Jalisco, Ixtlahuacán del Río
México, Jalisco, Jalostotitlán
México, Jalisco, Jamay
México, Jalisco, Jesús María
México, Jalisco, Jilotlán de los Dolores
México, Jalisco, Jocotepec
México, Jalisco, Juanacatlán
México, Jalisco, Juchitlán
México, Jalisco, La Barca
México, Jalisco, La Concepción
México, Jalisco, La Cuesta
México, Jalisco, La Higuera
México, Jalisco, La Huerta
México, Jalisco, La Loma
México, Jalisco, La Luz
México, Jalisco, La Manzanilla
México, Jalisco, La Razón
México, Jalisco, La Rivera
México, Jalisco, La Tortuga
México, Jalisco, Lagos de Moreno
México, Jalisco, Lagunillas
México, Jalisco, Las Cruces (Cuquio)
México, Jalisco, Las Cruces (Lagos de Moreno)
México, Jalisco, Las Juntas
México, Jalisco, Las Peñas
México, Jalisco, Ledesma
México, Jalisco, Los Aguajes
México, Jalisco, Los Azulitos
México, Jalisco, Magdalena
México, Jalisco, Manuel Lopez Cotilla
México, Jalisco, Manuel M. Diéguez
México, Jalisco, Manuel M. Valdéz
México, Jalisco, Margaritas
México, Jalisco, Mascota
México, Jalisco, Matanzas
México, Jalisco, Matatlán
México, Jalisco, Mazamitla
México, Jalisco, Mexicaltzingo
México, Jalisco, Mexticacán
México, Jalisco, Mezcala
México, Jalisco, Mezquitic
México, Jalisco, Michoacanejo
México, Jalisco, Mirandillas
México, Jalisco, Mixtlán
México, Jalisco, Navidad
México, Jalisco, Oconahua
México, Jalisco, Ocotlán
México, Jalisco, Ojuelos de Jalisco
México, Jalisco, Paso de Sotos
México, Jalisco, Peñas
México, Jalisco, Pihuamo
México, Jalisco, Poncitlán
México, Jalisco, Portezuelo
México, Jalisco, Puerto Vallarta
México, Jalisco, Purificación
México, Jalisco, Quitupan
México, Jalisco, Refugio
México, Jalisco, Salatitán
México, Jalisco, San Andres Ixtlán
México, Jalisco, San Cristóbal de la Barranca
México, Jalisco, San Diego de Alejandría
México, Jalisco, San Gabriel
México, Jalisco, San Ignacio Cerro Gordo
México, Jalisco, San José Casas Caidas
México, Jalisco, San José Tateposco
México, Jalisco, San José de la Gracia
México, Jalisco, San José de la Paz
México, Jalisco, San José del Carmen
México, Jalisco, San Juan de los Lagos
México, Jalisco, San Juan del Monte
México, Jalisco, San Julián
México, Jalisco, San Luis Soyatlán
México, Jalisco, San Marcos
México, Jalisco, San Martín Hidalgo
México, Jalisco, San Martín de Bolaños
México, Jalisco, San Martín de las Flores
México, Jalisco, San Miguel el Alto
México, Jalisco, San Miguel el Grande
México, Jalisco, San Patricio
México, Jalisco, San Pedrito
México, Jalisco, San Pedro
México, Jalisco, San Sebastianito
México, Jalisco, San Sebastián del Oeste
México, Jalisco, Santa Ana Tepetitlán
México, Jalisco, Santa Ana Tistac
México, Jalisco, Santa Anita
México, Jalisco, Santa Clara
México, Jalisco, Santa Cruz de las Flores
México, Jalisco, Santa Fe
México, Jalisco, Santa María Tequepexpan
México, Jalisco, Santa María de los Angeles
México, Jalisco, Santa María del Valle
México, Jalisco, Santa Rosalía
México, Jalisco, Saucillo
México, Jalisco, Sayula
México, Jalisco, Soyatlán
México, Jalisco, Tala
México, Jalisco, Talpa de Allende
México, Jalisco, Tamazula de Gordiano
México, Jalisco, Tapalpa
México, Jalisco, Tecalitlán
México, Jalisco, Techaluta
México, Jalisco, Tecolotlán
México, Jalisco, Telcruz
México, Jalisco, Temacapulín
México, Jalisco, Tenamaxtlán
México, Jalisco, Tenzompa
México, Jalisco, Teocaltiche
México, Jalisco, Teocuitatlán de Corona
México, Jalisco, Tepantla
México, Jalisco, Tepatitlán de Morelos
México, Jalisco, Tepec
México, Jalisco, Tepospizaloya
México, Jalisco, Tequesquitlán
México, Jalisco, Tequila
México, Jalisco, Tesistán
México, Jalisco, Tesistán San Pedro
México, Jalisco, Teuchitlán
México, Jalisco, Tizapanito
México, Jalisco, Tizapán el Alto
México, Jalisco, Tlajomulco
México, Jalisco, Tlajomulco de Zúñiga
México, Jalisco, Tlalcosahua
México, Jalisco, Tlaquepaque
México, Jalisco, Tolimán
México, Jalisco, Toluquilla
México, Jalisco, Tomatlán
México, Jalisco, Tonalá
México, Jalisco, Tonaya
México, Jalisco, Tonila
México, Jalisco, Totatiche
México, Jalisco, Tototlán
México, Jalisco, Trejos
México, Jalisco, Tuxcacuesco
México, Jalisco, Tuxcueca
México, Jalisco, Tuxpan
México, Jalisco, Unión de Guadalupe
México, Jalisco, Unión de San Antonio
México, Jalisco, Unión de Tula
México, Jalisco, Usmajac
México, Jalisco, Valle de Banderas
México, Jalisco, Valle de Guadalupe
México, Jalisco, Valle de Juárez
México, Jalisco, Venustiano Carranza
México, Jalisco, Villa Corona
México, Jalisco, Villa Guerrero
México, Jalisco, Villa Hidalgo
México, Jalisco, Villa Obregón
México, Jalisco, Yahualica de González Gallo
México, Jalisco, Zacoalco de Torres
México, Jalisco, Zalatitlán
México, Jalisco, Zalatitán
México, Jalisco, Zapopan
México, Jalisco, Zapotiltic
México, Jalisco, Zapotitlán
México, Jalisco, Zapotitlán de Vadillo
México, Jalisco, Zapotlanejo
México, Jalisco, Zapotlán del Rey
México, Jalisco, Zapotlán el Grande
México, Jalisco, Zula
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Me too,
I think it was Victor Villareal who used to be a Ranchos member several years ago who was generous enough to provide his tried and true methods for finding batch numbers. I was able to find 48 batch numbers pertaining to my municipio of Nochistlan, Zacatecas, my primary area of research with this method of searching.
Thanks Victor and thanks also to all those other members who give so much to so many.
Regards,
Alicia Carrillo,
San Jose, Calif
----- Original Message ----
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:15:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Finding Batch Numbers
That is more or less how I find batch numbers too, Joseph.
Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:12 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Finding Batch Numbers
Here is how I found the batch numbers for my specific ranchos (but there
is no guarantee there will be batch numbers for your ranchos):
1) go to the IGI
2) Under the first name put either "Jose" or "Maria"
3) Under the Last Name put a very very common name like "Garcia" or
"Hernandez" or "Gonzalez" etc.
4) Under Region put Mexico
5) Under State put "Jalisco" or what ever state you are looking for
6) click on search.
you will get several hundreds or probably 1000's of results. so
7) use your "Search" tool on your computer and put the name of the
rancho you are looking for. Let's say "Tamazula De Gordiano"
8) search page by page until you find an example of someone from
Tamazula De Gordiano
look for the batch number next to the film number. here is an example:
JOSSE MARIA GARCIA ARCEA Pedigree
Male
18 JUL 1798 San Francisco, Tamazula De Gordiano, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents:
Father: JOSSE MA. GARCIA Family
Mother: TERESA ARCEA
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type:
Printout Call No.: Type:
C603754 1789 - 1817 0225986 Film NONE
9) now you have the batch number (C603754) for the period of time from
1789 thru 1817 so now we go about "Guessing" what the batch numbers are
for earlier and later periods
10) Plug in C603754 into the batch window on the IGI search and if you
leave Jose Garcia in you'll get all the Jose Garcia for Tamazula if y ou
take off the Jose you'll get all the Garcia but now we want to play with
the C603754 number.
11) modify C603754 to C603753 and see what happens and yes bingo we get
these results:
C603753 1783 - 1804 0225985 Film NONE
12) and again:
C603752 1761 - 1783 0225984
13) and again:
C603751 1652 - 1761 0225983
we know this is as far back as we can go by clicking on the film number
and seeing the earliest dates available on film
14) now lets guess going forward from C603754 to C603755 and we get:
C603755 1817 - 1835 0225987
15) and again to:
C603756 1835 - 1843 0225988
16) and again to:
C603757 1743 - 1850 0225989
sometimes it works like this and sometimes the numbers don't show a
pattern especially when you get the J (males) or K (females) listings.
Sometimes on the IGI search you need to do the "Jose" and "Garcia" and
"Mexico" and "Jalisco" and then insert a date for the missing set of
years in your batch numbers. Maybe there is a batch maybe there is not
for those missing years. Maybe there isn't even records for those years
so thus the missing batch records or film record for them. also you
need to limit your "Event" to marriages to find the marriages. well you
really don't have to but its easier.
well I kind of rushed through this and would be willing to explain a bit
more if any of the confusion above is more unclear that I think it is.
joseph
ps: I wish I hadn't done one that turned out to be done already
finished. as you can see from the "Related Places" in Jalisco there are
_possibilities_ for these in Jalisco:
México, Jalisco, Acatic
México, Jalisco, Acatlán de Juárez
México, Jalisco, Agostadero
México, Jalisco, Ahuacapán
México, Jalisco, Ahualulco de Mercado
México, Jalisco, Ahuijuyo
México, Jalisco, Ahuisculco
México, Jalisco, Ajijic
México, Jalisco, Amacueca
México, Jalisco, Amatitán
México, Jalisco, Ameca
México, Jalisco, Antonio Escobedo
México, Jalisco, Apulco
México, Jalisco, Arandas
México, Jalisco, Arenal
México, Jalisco, Atemajac de Brizuela
México, Jalisco, Atemajac de las Tablas
México, Jalisco, Atemajac del Valle
México, Jalisco, Atengo
México, Jalisco, Atenguillo
México, Jalisco, Atotonilco el Alto
México, Jalisco, Atotonilco el Bajo
México, Jalisco, Atotonilquillo
México, Jalisco, Atoyac
México, Jalisco, Autlán de Navarro
México, Jalisco, Ayotita
México, Jalisco, Ayotitlán
México, Jalisco, Ayotlán
México, Jalisco, Ayutla
México, Jalisco, Bajío de San José
México, Jalisco, Barra de Natvidad
México, Jalisco, Barranca de Santa Clara
México, Jalisco, Betulia
México, Jalisco, Bolaños
México, Jalisco, Buen País
México, Jalisco, Buenos Aires
México, Jalisco, Cabo Corrientes
México, Jalisco, Cabo Corrientes - Civil registration
México, Jalisco, Cajititlán
México, Jalisco, Casimiro Castillo
México, Jalisco, Cañadas de Obregón
México, Jalisco, Chacala (Cabo Corrientes)
México, Jalisco, Chacala (Cuautitlán)
México, Jalisco, Chapala
México, Jalisco, Chimaltitán
México, Jalisco, Chiquilistlán
México, Jalisco, Cihuatlán
México, Jalisco, Ciudad Guzmán
México, Jalisco, Ciénega de Mata
México, Jalisco, Cocula
México, Jalisco, Colotlán
México, Jalisco, Comanja de Corona
México, Jalisco, Concepción de Buenos Aires
México, Jalisco, Cuale
México, Jalisco, Cuautitlán
México, Jalisco, Cuautla
México, Jalisco, Cuquío
México, Jalisco, Cuzalapa
México, Jalisco, Degollado
México, Jalisco, Ejutla
México, Jalisco, El Bramador
México, Jalisco, El Chante
México, Jalisco, El Grullo
México, Jalisco, El Josefino
México, Jalisco, El Limón
México, Jalisco, El Plantar
México, Jalisco, El Puesto
México, Jalisco, El Refugio (Acatic)
México, Jalisco, El Refugio de Suchitlán
México, Jalisco, El Rufugio (Colotlán)
México, Jalisco, El Salto
México, Jalisco, El Salvador
México, Jalisco, El Tuito
México, Jalisco, Encarnación de Díaz
México, Jalisco, Etzatlán
México, Jalisco, Francsico Javier Mina
México, Jalisco, Guachinango
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara
México, Jalisco, Gómez Farias
México, Jalisco, Hostotipaquillo
México, Jalisco, Huascato
México, Jalisco, Huejuquilla el Alto
México, Jalisco, Huejúcar
México, Jalisco, Ixtlahuacán de los Membrillos
México, Jalisco, Ixtlahuacán del Río
México, Jalisco, Jalostotitlán
México, Jalisco, Jamay
México, Jalisco, Jesús María
México, Jalisco, Jilotlán de los Dolores
México, Jalisco, Jocotepec
México, Jalisco, Juanacatlán
México, Jalisco, Juchitlán
México, Jalisco, La Barca
México, Jalisco, La Concepción
México, Jalisco, La Cuesta
México, Jalisco, La Higuera
México, Jalisco, La Huerta
México, Jalisco, La Loma
México, Jalisco, La Luz
México, Jalisco, La Manzanilla
México, Jalisco, La Razón
México, Jalisco, La Rivera
México, Jalisco, La Tortuga
México, Jalisco, Lagos de Moreno
México, Jalisco, Lagunillas
México, Jalisco, Las Cruces (Cuquio)
México, Jalisco, Las Cruces (Lagos de Moreno)
México, Jalisco, Las Juntas
México, Jalisco, Las Peñas
México, Jalisco, Ledesma
México, Jalisco, Los Aguajes
México, Jalisco, Los Azulitos
México, Jalisco, Magdalena
México, Jalisco, Manuel Lopez Cotilla
México, Jalisco, Manuel M. Diéguez
México, Jalisco, Manuel M. Valdéz
México, Jalisco, Margaritas
México, Jalisco, Mascota
México, Jalisco, Matanzas
México, Jalisco, Matatlán
México, Jalisco, Mazamitla
México, Jalisco, Mexicaltzingo
México, Jalisco, Mexticacán
México, Jalisco, Mezcala
México, Jalisco, Mezquitic
México, Jalisco, Michoacanejo
México, Jalisco, Mirandillas
México, Jalisco, Mixtlán
México, Jalisco, Navidad
México, Jalisco, Oconahua
México, Jalisco, Ocotlán
México, Jalisco, Ojuelos de Jalisco
México, Jalisco, Paso de Sotos
México, Jalisco, Peñas
México, Jalisco, Pihuamo
México, Jalisco, Poncitlán
México, Jalisco, Portezuelo
México, Jalisco, Puerto Vallarta
México, Jalisco, Purificación
México, Jalisco, Quitupan
México, Jalisco, Refugio
México, Jalisco, Salatitán
México, Jalisco, San Andres Ixtlán
México, Jalisco, San Cristóbal de la Barranca
México, Jalisco, San Diego de Alejandría
México, Jalisco, San Gabriel
México, Jalisco, San Ignacio Cerro Gordo
México, Jalisco, San José Casas Caidas
México, Jalisco, San José Tateposco
México, Jalisco, San José de la Gracia
México, Jalisco, San José de la Paz
México, Jalisco, San José del Carmen
México, Jalisco, San Juan de los Lagos
México, Jalisco, San Juan del Monte
México, Jalisco, San Julián
México, Jalisco, San Luis Soyatlán
México, Jalisco, San Marcos
México, Jalisco, San Martín Hidalgo
México, Jalisco, San Martín de Bolaños
México, Jalisco, San Martín de las Flores
México, Jalisco, San Miguel el Alto
México, Jalisco, San Miguel el Grande
México, Jalisco, San Patricio
México, Jalisco, San Pedrito
México, Jalisco, San Pedro
México, Jalisco, San Sebastianito
México, Jalisco, San Sebastián del Oeste
México, Jalisco, Santa Ana Tepetitlán
México, Jalisco, Santa Ana Tistac
México, Jalisco, Santa Anita
México, Jalisco, Santa Clara
México, Jalisco, Santa Cruz de las Flores
México, Jalisco, Santa Fe
México, Jalisco, Santa María Tequepexpan
México, Jalisco, Santa María de los Angeles
México, Jalisco, Santa María del Valle
México, Jalisco, Santa Rosalía
México, Jalisco, Saucillo
México, Jalisco, Sayula
México, Jalisco, Soyatlán
México, Jalisco, Tala
México, Jalisco, Talpa de Allende
México, Jalisco, Tamazula de Gordiano
México, Jalisco, Tapalpa
México, Jalisco, Tecalitlán
México, Jalisco, Techaluta
México, Jalisco, Tecolotlán
México, Jalisco, Telcruz
México, Jalisco, Temacapulín
México, Jalisco, Tenamaxtlán
México, Jalisco, Tenzompa
México, Jalisco, Teocaltiche
México, Jalisco, Teocuitatlán de Corona
México, Jalisco, Tepantla
México, Jalisco, Tepatitlán de Morelos
México, Jalisco, Tepec
México, Jalisco, Tepospizaloya
México, Jalisco, Tequesquitlán
México, Jalisco, Tequila
México, Jalisco, Tesistán
México, Jalisco, Tesistán San Pedro
México, Jalisco, Teuchitlán
México, Jalisco, Tizapanito
México, Jalisco, Tizapán el Alto
México, Jalisco, Tlajomulco
México, Jalisco, Tlajomulco de Zúñiga
México, Jalisco, Tlalcosahua
México, Jalisco, Tlaquepaque
México, Jalisco, Tolimán
México, Jalisco, Toluquilla
México, Jalisco, Tomatlán
México, Jalisco, Tonalá
México, Jalisco, Tonaya
México, Jalisco, Tonila
México, Jalisco, Totatiche
México, Jalisco, Tototlán
México, Jalisco, Trejos
México, Jalisco, Tuxcacuesco
México, Jalisco, Tuxcueca
México, Jalisco, Tuxpan
México, Jalisco, Unión de Guadalupe
México, Jalisco, Unión de San Antonio
México, Jalisco, Unión de Tula
México, Jalisco, Usmajac
México, Jalisco, Valle de Banderas
México, Jalisco, Valle de Guadalupe
México, Jalisco, Valle de Juárez
México, Jalisco, Venustiano Carranza
México, Jalisco, Villa Corona
México, Jalisco, Villa Guerrero
México, Jalisco, Villa Hidalgo
México, Jalisco, Villa Obregón
México, Jalisco, Yahualica de González Gallo
México, Jalisco, Zacoalco de Torres
México, Jalisco, Zalatitlán
México, Jalisco, Zalatitán
México, Jalisco, Zapopan
México, Jalisco, Zapotiltic
México, Jalisco, Zapotitlán
México, Jalisco, Zapotitlán de Vadillo
México, Jalisco, Zapotlanejo
México, Jalisco, Zapotlán del Rey
México, Jalisco, Zapotlán el Grande
México, Jalisco, Zula
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http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
Hola Compañeros Genealogistas;
El motivo de la presente es darles las gracias a todas
las personas que me ayudaron en lo que pudieron sobre
mi solicitud de ayuda para saber donde se encontraba el
Does anyone know what "hijo de estado chico" means in a church document? We have in particular a marriage between Francisco Godoy and Maria Rosa Llamas, where it states that Francisco is "hijo de estado chico" de Nicolas Godoy y Brigida Ortiz...
Arturo,
I have never seen that statement in any "genealogical document" and "I" could'nt quite decipher it as you read it in the document you posted. (Maybe it is just my eldersheimerish eyes)
But linguistically, one of the Spanish meanings/usages of the word "estado" relates to the condition of a person as it relates to his civil rights/obligations (e.g. - single, married, divorced, minor, adult, etc.).
"Chico/a," is used/encountered when, without specifying the age of a person/child, nevertheless is understood or implied not to be very advanced.
So, as a stab, I might translate it to state/refer, in something of a legalistic context, to "a minor child of not much of an advanced age".
I don't know if this helps you (heck, I don't even know if I am right), but I thought I might as well give you my 2-cents' worth.
Efrain
I am taking a wild stab at this...but I think the key word might be
"estado"...which could mean that he was adopted by both parents, but could have been
the child of someone else...and so he became legitimized while he was very
young by both parents...
Another stab at the word "estado" is from the inheritor of an estate while
he was still very young....
What is your guess?
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My first thought was that he was an orphan, a ward of the state (estado), placed in the care of the individuals named.
How would a slave, bond servants, or a serf be referred to in the Hispanic vital records? With my Portuguese family history research I have come across the word "escravo," meaning slave... Church records, ie. confirmation records, listed these individuals as being the "escravo," of (the owners were then named).
Pat
conrique wrote:
Arturo,
I have never seen that statement in any "genealogical document" and "I" could'nt quite decipher it as you read it in the document you posted. (Maybe it is just my eldersheimerish eyes)
But linguistically, one of the Spanish meanings/usages of the word "estado" relates to the condition of a person as it relates to his civil rights/obligations (e.g. - single, married, divorced, minor, adult, etc.).
"Chico/a," is used/encountered when, without specifying the age of a person/child, nevertheless is understood or implied not to be very advanced.
So, as a stab, I might translate it to state/refer, in something of a legalistic context, to "a minor child of not much of an advanced age".
I don't know if this helps you (heck, I don't even know if I am right), but I thought I might as well give you my 2-cents' worth.
Efrain
I am beginning to think that the term may mean that he was adopted, i.e. not "hijo de nacimiento" or "child by birth" but "hijo de estado chico" or "child from a young age (i.e. but not from birth)"
Pat, in Spanish colonial documents, slaves appear as "esclavos." I have run across many marriage documents for Afro-Mexicans for slaves. Unfortunately they usually list only the master of the person and not their parents.
Here is an example:
1677-06-07
Nicolás de Ribera, mulato esclavo de Joseph de Marquezinas, con María Pérez, mestiza soltera sirviente de el dicho Joseph Marquezinas. Padrinos Lorenzo Martínez y Michaela Martínez, su mujer. Testigos Antonio Martínez del Castillo presbítero y Nicolás de Ybarra, vecinos de este pueblo de Tlaltenango.
Thank you Arturo,
I agree, I think he was an orphan and at a very young age was adopted. Is there an "estado," Chico in Mexico, or does "chico," translate to imean "of a young age?"
Portuguese marriage records are pretty much as you noted in your posting for individuals described as being an "escravo." Though on some records, it will show either the mother's name with a notation as being an escravo, and/or a father as being "incognito." Others will give the names of both parents, but indicating which parent was an escravo.
This is a listing from the birth index for the island of Porto Santo, Madeira, Portugal...
Child Father Mother
João "o Calorio", escravo Não refere Não refere
Maria João Perestrelo, escravo Maria de Mendonça*
Pedro Gaspar dos Reis, escravo Filipa de Santiago*
Manuel Gaspar, escravo Filipa de Santiago*
Francisco, escravo Não refere Não refere*
António, escravo Incógnito Incógnita*
Francisco, escravo Incógnito Incógnita*
José, escravo Incógnito Incógnita*
João, escravo Incógnito Incógnita*
Antão, escravo Incógnito Incógnita*
Manuel, escravo Incógnito Leonor, escrava baça*
Manuel, escravo Incógnito [Maria], escrava*
Antão, escravo Não refere Não refere*
Manuel, escravo Incógnito Leonor, escrava baça*
Manuel, escravo Incógnito Maria, escrava*
* I think the term "baça," means dark..possibly nergo, but I'm not 100% certain...
Pat
I think "baca" in Portuguese means mate.....
This is a wonderful site for translating:http://www.wordreference.com/
Esperanza
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Interesting, I'll run it by the Brazilian List Group, and see what they have to say... I left out the accent mark under the letter 'c'..., the word is actually baça... not sure it will show up on this posting or if the accent changes the meaning of the word... it changes how the word is pronounced, c with accent, is pronounced as an s sound... .
to be continued:
Pat
Latina1955@aol.com wrote:
I think "baca" in Portuguese means mate.....
This is a wonderful site for translating:http://www.wordreference.com/
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"estado" yes it is referred as (single, married, etc) such as "soltero,
casado
but "chico" if it was referred as a young age, it should read "menor de
edad"
so, I am still not quite sure of what does it means
Sylvia H Corona
Latina and Interested List Members,
Here's what my Portuguese source had to say about the word...Pat
"I suppose it must be baço. Escrava baça (female) -- Escravo baço (male)
Baço means half white half black, mestiço. (half-breed or half-caste or mestizo). Could be from arab origins, as many Canarians were.
Frequently slaves took the surnames and names of their owners."
This is the first time that I see this phrase, I look it up on the Colonial Spanish Terms and I could not see it there.
Does any one knows the meaning of it?
Sylvia Herenia Corona Cortes
i asked a coworker of mine who's first language is spanish and she said what comes to mind is "being underage"....
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Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 12:47:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hijo de Estado Chico
This is the first time that I see this phrase, I lookit up on the Colonial Spanish Terms and I could not see it there.
Does any one knows the meaning of it?
Sylvia Herenia Corona Cortes
Any information about Don GABRIEL ORDOÑEZ RIFARACHE Clérigo Presbítero. I
know that "Don Fray Juan de Valle y Arredondo (Obispo 1608-1617) le
presentó al oficio de Pánuco y villa de Aguascalientes y después al del
The familysearchindexing.com site has recently put up the Aguascalientes section of the 1930 Mexico census up as a project!
Given that most people in this group are computer saavy and that this state is smack in the heart of our area of research, we should try to get as many people involved in helping out with this indexing project. You can volunteer to index as little or as much as you want and you can do it anytime you want over the internet.
Raul, I don't know if you have this information but I do have some of your line from Los Haros, Jerez Zacetacs that shows it a couple of generations further back than you posted in your file on both the Santiago and Haro families. My records only have 3 children for Jose Maria Hurtado and Maria Matilde Santiago, they are Pascuala 1889, Fabiana 1900 and Benigno in 1903.
To:Erlinda Castanon-Long
Hi, I noticed that you had a Eugenio (Joseph) Fernandez b: NOV 1772 in
District Of Jerez Zacatecas Mexico in the rootweb.com site and I wondered if
this could be the same Eugenio Fernandez related to Bartolome and Eugenio
Fernandez, of the same area of Mexico, who were given a grant in 1787 - the
San Concepcion Carricitos grant. Thanks for any info you might
have..........Phyls
Hola Primos! (Note: the rest of this message will be in English)
Well - was cruising the WEB - just looking - when I came across this site:
http://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/group_detail.cfm?key=1253&gke…
nc_coleman wrote:
> Hola Primos! (Note: the rest of this message will be in English)
>
> Well - was cruising the WEB - just looking - when I came across this site:
>
> http://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/group_detail.cfm?key=1253&gke…
>
> and thought I would share. It isn't necessarily about our Ranchos area, but it is about our shared heritage - and since this is the time of year to recognize (nationally) our Heritage (whatever they choose to call it) I thought it might be of interest to you.
> You also might be interested in this other Smithsonian site:
>
> http://www.smithsonianeducation.org/educators/resource_library/hispanic…
>
> How will you celebrate?? (I think Joseph will be looking for some MENUDO q;-) )
>
Thanks and yes Feliz 16 de Septiembre! ! !
I didn't tell anyone but should now use this opportunity to spread the
good news. About 4 months ago Figen and I converted to Vegetarian. I
started looking at my work and position on the sustainability of the
environmental system we're living under and when folks ask what can I
do, "change a light bulb" wasn't enough of an answer for me. I saw how
Animal Factory Farming contributes 18% to green house gasses and after
seeing the film _the RAVE diet_ decided right there and then that to be
consistent with my position on their needing to be serious environmental
change I personally needed to stop eating meat (I don't think everyone
needs to take that position but I think a 50% cut minimum in this
countries meat consumtion is not too much to ask). Well I guess Natalie
unknowingly nudged me onto my soap box so I'll go ahead and step down.
Imagine that a Mexican vegetarian: But let me quote you a message from
Cesar Chavez who for 25 years was a Vegetarian:
"No podemos defender ni ser compasivos hacia los animales hasta que
dejemos de explotarlos en nombre del deporte, en nombre de la cinecia,
en nombre de la moda, y si, de explotar a animales en nombre de la comida.
La base de la paz es respetar a todos los seres".
Cesar Chavez, Vegetarismo por 25 anos, de su discurso al aceptar el
premio a su obra de por vida de "In Defense of Animals" en el 1992
thanks Natalie for the links and the opportunity,
joseph
ps: I can't imagine my meating eating family from Jalisco and Zacatecas
is amazed at my conversion. Our diets growing up, the typical meat
eating one was very heavy in the use of Manteca and I can still see my
mom making crispy tiny pig chicharones but that wasn't her goal she was
cooking them down for the Manteca.
She used it for her homemade flour tortillas, to refry her beans, to fry
eggs, well heck she probably used it for everything. She was taught to
cook for the family by my Grandmother Virginia Diaz Santa Maria (dob
1886) who was taught by my G-Grandmother Antonia Santa Maria Espinoz
(dob: 1862) born close to Tepetongo, Zacatecas.
====================
Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
Joseph:
I applaud you on your conviction and resolve to make the conversion. I tried vegeterianism for a while in college and converted back.
My father, for health resasons, is largely a vegetarian as of several years back. He eats some fish and a bit of chicken but nothing else. He gets to eat nopales, frijoles, calabazas, elotes, huitlacoche, tunas and all sorts of other foods that he loves. The problem is more social since my mother and most of his acquaintances still eat menudo, pozole and tacos de carnitas. To my mother's credit she has started making chicken pozole.
Anyhow, in college I had a course on pre-Hispanic Mexican history and anthropology and we had a guest lecturer for a couple of classes on the historic gastronomy of Mexico and given that turkeys and dogs were pretty much the only domesticated animals in Mexico... yes Mexicans ate dogs... little ones that looked like Chihuahuas but fatter because they force fed them corn... the diet was largely vegetarian.
Beans, huitlacoche and fresh water algea and moss provided rich vegetarian protein sources.
They also ate mosquitoes (formed into bricks) and grasshoppers and
other bugs for protein. ¡Yummo,! as "Raquel" Ray would say!
I like vegetables a lot myself but can't give up my carne fix
completely.:) Marge:)
I moved over to the general list.
thanks Arturo and Marge. Can you imagine how they must have been eaten
by the mosquitos if they were also eating them in quantities large
enough to form bricks.
Arturo if your memory triggers the names of those guest lecturers I'd
love to contact them to see if they'd be willing to do a podcast on that
subject for the http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com site.
thanks again very interesting reply from both of you.
dogs, huh, I betya a lot of Mexican folk would resist the idea that our
ancestors ate them. Then again a lot of folks are resistant to the idea
that the Mexican population has a significant African blood line mixed in.
joseph
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http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
arturoramos wrote:
> Joseph:
>
> I applaud you on your conviction and resolve to make the conversion. I tried vegeterianism for a while in college and converted back.
>
> My father, for health resasons, is largely a vegetarian as of several years back. He eats some fish and a bit of chicken but nothing else. He gets to eat nopales, frijoles, calabazas, elotes, huitlacoche, tunas and all sorts of other foods that he loves. The problem is more social since my mother and most of his acquaintances still eat menudo, pozole and tacos de carnitas. To my mother's credit she has started making chicken pozole.
>
> Anyhow, in college I had a course on pre-Hispanic Mexican history and anthropology and we had a guest lecturer for a couple of classes on the historic gastronomy of Mexico and given that turkeys and dogs were pretty much the only domesticated animals in Mexico... yes Mexicans ate dogs... little ones that looked like Chihuahuas but fatter because they force fed them corn... the diet was largely vegetarian.
>
> Beans, huitlacoche and fresh water algea and moss provided rich vegetarian protein sources.
Arturo,
You said that Mexicans ate dogs. I had heard that Chinese ate dogs and cats, but I didn't know the ancient Mexicans did. I thought they kept dogs as pets because I have a book of photos of pre-Columbian sculptures and one of them is of a young woman nursing a small dog, one that looks like what we call "Chihuahua" dogs. That sculpture just grossed my husband out, but I found it intriguing. I thought perhaps the young woman was a substitute mother to the dog and I am sad to think she was fattening it up to eat it. I think the Aztecs ate snakes and other crawly things. I saw a cooking program about people in Mexico going back to the way the Aztecs ate, but I could never eat those things. When I go out, I will still order carne adobada tacos or pork pozole.
My husband and I both are starting to avoid red meat except when we go out due to the concern about cholesterol and mad cow disease, but we feel better eating mostly salmon and tuna and vegetables and very little chicken. We now also eschew rice, potatoes, pastas and white bread; instead we use whole grain cous-cous (olive oil and garlic flavored) and whole grain bread or sour dough bread.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: arturoramos
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:11 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Vegeterian Mexican Cooking
Joseph:
I applaud you on your conviction and resolve to make the conversion. I tried vegeterianism for a while in college and converted back.
My father, for health resasons, is largely a vegetarian as of several years back. He eats some fish and a bit of chicken but nothing else. He gets to eat nopales, frijoles, calabazas, elotes, huitlacoche, tunas and all sorts of other foods that he loves. The problem is more social since my mother and most of his acquaintances still eat menudo, pozole and tacos de carnitas. To my mother's credit she has started making chicken pozole.
Anyhow, in college I had a course on pre-Hispanic Mexican history and anthropology and we had a guest lecturer for a couple of classes on the historic gastronomy of Mexico and given that turkeys and dogs were pretty much the only domesticated animals in Mexico... yes Mexicans ate dogs... little ones that looked like Chihuahuas but fatter because they force fed them corn... the diet was largely vegetarian.
Beans, huitlacoche and fresh water algea and moss provided rich vegetarian protein sources.
Re: the eating of cats and dogs, you guys "ain't seen nothing yet" until you tune in to
BIZARRE FOODS on the TRAVEL CHANNEL!!!!
Juanita
Emilie Garcia wrote:
Arturo,
You said that Mexicans ate dogs. I had heard that Chinese ate dogs and cats, but I didn't know the ancient Mexicans did. I thought they kept dogs as pets because I have a book of photos of pre-Columbian sculptures and one of them is of a young woman nursing a small dog, one that looks like what we call "Chihuahua" dogs. That sculpture just grossed my husband out, but I found it intriguing. I thought perhaps the young woman was a substitute mother to the dog and I am sad to think she was fattening it up to eat it. I think the Aztecs ate snakes and other crawly things. I saw a cooking program about people in Mexico going back to the way the Aztecs ate, but I could never eat those things. When I go out, I will still order carne adobada tacos or pork pozole.
My husband and I both are starting to avoid red meat except when we go out due to the concern about cholesterol and mad cow disease, but we feel better eating mostly salmon and tuna and vegetables and very little chicken. We now also eschew rice, potatoes, pastas and white bread; instead we use whole grain cous-cous (olive oil and garlic flavored) and whole grain bread or sour dough bread.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: arturoramos
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:11 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Vegeterian Mexican Cooking
Joseph:
I applaud you on your conviction and resolve to make the conversion. I tried vegeterianism for a while in college and converted back.
My father, for health resasons, is largely a vegetarian as of several years back. He eats some fish and a bit of chicken but nothing else. He gets to eat nopales, frijoles, calabazas, elotes, huitlacoche, tunas and all sorts of other foods that he loves. The problem is more social since my mother and most of his acquaintances still eat menudo, pozole and tacos de carnitas. To my mother's credit she has started making chicken pozole.
Anyhow, in college I had a course on pre-Hispanic Mexican history and anthropology and we had a guest lecturer for a couple of classes on the historic gastronomy of Mexico and given that turkeys and dogs were pretty much the only domesticated animals in Mexico... yes Mexicans ate dogs... little ones that looked like Chihuahuas but fatter because they force fed them corn... the diet was largely vegetarian.
Beans, huitlacoche and fresh water algea and moss provided rich vegetarian protein sources.
Food anthropologist...that is what she was....if I could re-live my life,
that is exactly what I would have been!!! It has been said that food is one of
the last vestiges of a culture to totally disappear when there is a dominant
Arturo,
I probably didn't fully explain myself. I have always preferred to associate myself with the native population of Mexico and have often times decried the cruelty of the Spanish Conquistadores and may at times be blind to the realities of the native population and it's cruel rituals.
Yes I know very well of the cruelty and injustice of the inquisition and I consider myself a Catholic and to this date I decry the inustices in the name of religion, any religion.
I guess what I was trying to say is that one can't glorify any one culture or religion over another, they each have their evils and one of the greatest evils of the Aztecs was the practice of sacrificing humans not only spaniards but Aztecs and other indians to feed to their gods.
When I read about the food consumption of cats and dogs it brought to mind what I had read about the Aztecs not liking the spanish flesh because it was too bitter.
Alicia
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From: arturoramos
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:51:42 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mexican Food History
The lecturer was Sophie Coe who was the wife of our professor Michael Coe. She is a prominent food historian who has authored several books on Mexican food including:
The True History of Chocolate and
America's First Cuisines
As far as Mexicans eating Spaniards, it must be put in the context of the ceremonies and wars that were ongoing at the time. If we only had similar texts from Jews tortured in the inquisition or from the Chichimecs so brutally murdered by the Spaniards in their conquest, they would likely not be much different.
Peter Gerhard writes:
[Nuno de] Guzmán's strategy throughout was to terrorize the natives with often unprovoked killing, torture, and enslavement… The army left a path of corpses and destroyed houses and crops, impressing surviving males into service and leaving women and children to starve
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And then again many people would be resistant to the idea that during the conquest, the Mexicans(Aztecs) ate the españoles, their conquerors.
To anyone faint of heart, do not read beyond these words because I have quoted from Bernal Diaz del Castillo's History of the Conquest of Mexico.
The lecturer was Sophie Coe who was the wife of our professor Michael Coe. She is a prominent food historian who has authored several books on Mexican food including:
The True History of Chocolate and
America's First Cuisines
As far as Mexicans eating Spaniards, it must be put in the context of the ceremonies and wars that were ongoing at the time. If we only had similar texts from Jews tortured in the inquisition or from the Chichimecs so brutally murdered by the Spaniards in their conquest, they would likely not be much different.
Peter Gerhard writes:
[Nuno de] Guzmán's strategy throughout was to terrorize the natives with often unprovoked killing, torture, and enslavement… The army left a path of corpses and destroyed houses and crops, impressing surviving males into service and leaving women and children to starve
Greetings,
As I am new to Nuestros Ranchos, please forgive me if I am not upto date. However, I have been reading about the person looking to understand what "Hijo de Estado Chico" means.
If I am not mistaken, in the old days one was described due to their economical status. Although "Estado" could mean or describe someone "status" lets not forget it also stands for "State" as in location. The word chico could mean "minor" meaning under age, but it could also stand for "small" as in someone from a small state/town. I think when they announce Estado Chico, it could mean someone from a small town/ranch, someone without large economical status or resources, maybe a humble person, etc......
Thank you for participating... Pat
blanca solis wrote:
Greetings,
As I am new to Nuestros Ranchos, please forgive me if I am not upto date. However, I have been reading about the person looking to understand what "Hijo de Estado Chico" means.
If I am not mistaken, in the old days one was described due to their economical status. Although "Estado" could mean or describe someone "status" lets not forget it also stands for "State" as in location. The word chico could mean "minor" meaning under age, but it could also stand for "small" as in someone from a small state/town. I think when they announce Estado Chico, it could mean someone from a small town/ranch, someone without large economical status or resources, maybe a humble person, etc......
Thank you for allowing me to give my input
Vivian, I have this record that seems to be from your family. I was tracking Mejia family trying to tie it into mine. Also, some records read Murillo and others read Morillo so you may want to check out both spellings.
Linda, your information was a heartfelt surprise. (My 92 year-old Mother was so excited to learn the names of her great grandparents)! Thank you for relaying the data. I look forward to using your other leads.
Vivian Zamorano
longsjourney wrote:
Vivian, I have this record that seems to be from your family. I was tracking Mejia family trying to tie it into mine. Also, some records read Murillo and others read Morillo so you may want to check out both spellings.
#182 birth registration 19 Feb 1887 in Jerez
Juana Sotelo born in Tetarrona 8 Feb 1887
parents: Natividad Sotelo age 23 jornalero and Cecilia Escobar age 24
pat grn: Roman Sotelo and Mucia Morillo
mat grn: Jacinto Escobar and Maria Mejia
wit: Vidal Gomez and Bernabe Hernandez
source: 1081913 Jerez civil birth record
This record will take you back further than what you have posted in your file. I also have this family back further in my files posted on Rootsweb.com.. Just put this name and date and is will pull up the family in my files. If I can be of any help just let me know.
Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.
Your welcome, that's what this group is all about, helping each to reclaim our heritage.. one ancestor at a time.. It's a good feeling to be able to share my research.
Linda
Henry Zamorano wrote:
Linda, your information was a heartfelt surprise. (My 92 year-old Mother was so excited to learn the names of her great grandparents)! Thank you for relaying the data. I look forward to using your other leads.
Vivian Zamorano
longsjourney wrote:
Vivian, I have this record that seems to be from your family. I was tracking Mejia family trying to tie it into mine. Also, some records read Murillo and others read Morillo so you may want to check out both spellings.
#182 birth registration 19 Feb 1887 in Jerez
Juana Sotelo born in Tetarrona 8 Feb 1887
parents: Natividad Sotelo age 23 jornalero and Cecilia Escobar age 24
pat grn: Roman Sotelo and Mucia Morillo
mat grn: Jacinto Escobar and Maria Mejia
wit: Vidal Gomez and Bernabe Hernandez
source: 1081913 Jerez civil birth record
This record will take you back further than what you have posted in your file. I also have this family back further in my files posted on Rootsweb.com.. Just put this name and date and is will pull up the family in my files. If I can be of any help just let me know.
Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.
I hope someone can help me since I can't seem to get into most of the files of the Nuestros Ranchos members. When I try to access the file it says error report, any idea what I'm doing wrong? I'd really like to see and read what's posted.
Linda:
Can you explain a bit more what the error is that you are getting and perhaps send a screenshot? I imagine you are able to get into the file folders but get an error when you click on at attached file?
I know that some browser setups try to open the files in the browser which leads to an error if they are not PDFs. You can try right-clicking on the file, saving it and then opening it from your desktop.
But please send some more details of your specific problem to see if we can't troubleshoot it.
Arturo, What you suggested worked! I can read the file if I save it instead of trying to open it directly from the site. I'm not very good with computers so every bit of advice is very valuable to me.. learn as I go..
thank you,
Linda Castanon-Long
Not all microfilms have batch numbers. Only the microfilms that have been
extracted. I might also add that in order anyone to search those batches they
have to be in the IGI database (you may also want to search the Vital Records
Hello All,
There is a batch number listing on microfiche that is called "Parish and Vital Records List". The copy I have has the date July 1998.(I only copied a portion of the film I needed). I believe that is the last time the LDS church put it out before becoming computerized. Before computers the IGI was on Microfiche....and most family history centers keep on file the old fiche.
I wanted to add something that new members or people just starting to use the Familysearch online site should know, not all names are online even when you have a batch number. If you found the correct film and batch number but found nothing online it just means you should double check by ordering the film and going through it frame by frame. I've found many family members who were not listed online. So many names were mispelled or just not legible plus there is nothing like the feeling of finding it yourself.
Linda in B.C.
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Here is a better example of the Parish and Vital Records List
by the way the Source Call No. is the film number
Mexico...............Parish and Vital Records List......Jul 1998
County.....Town/Parish.........Period.....Recd....Printout....Project...Source
............................................From/To...Type...Call No....................Call No.
AGS......Calvillo, San Jose.1798-1805..CHR...None.....J602672..0635792
I hope this example comes out better
R. Gonzales-Hardy
Hola Otra vez amigos Genealogistas:
Se me olvido escribir lo siguiente:
No se si algun genealogista que visite este sitio se
encuentre actualmente revisando o investigando datos
en Ocotlan, Jalisco, que pudiera hacerme el favor de
Hola amigos Genealogistas:
Escribo para ver si pudieran ayudarme en lo siguiente:
Mis Bisabuelos Maternos Ignacio Gomez Villarruel y
Antonia Gomez Flores, se casaron en Ocotlan, Jalisco el
Tomas Alejandro:
Me imagino que el registro que buscas de tus bisabuelos esta en uno de estos des rollos de microfilmacion. Tocaria pedirlos en un centro de historia familiar para revisarlos:
Información matrimonial 1900-1901 VAULT INTL Film 280942
Información matrimonial 1901-1904 VAULT INTL Film 280943
El Diccionario Biografico y Geografico de Antonio Garcia Cubas dice lo siguiente sobre Rancho "El Lobo"
13 ranchos distribuidos como sigue:
Jalisco: Uno del canton del Lagos, municipalidad de San Juan, otro del canton noveno, municpalidad de Quitupan.
El vinculo a la version electronica mantenida por el Colegio de Mexico queda en la seccion de vinculos de Nuestros Ranchos.
Hello! If I have a film number, how could I get the batch number, been the case I don´t have a name nor a surname?
per example, I have a film number for Silao, Gto., FHL INTL 291844 baptisms 1670-1717, what would be the batch number?
Have you ever looked at: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
there you will find batch numbers, at least that is how I found all of mine.
Thank you.
I found film numbers as well, but how do I get the batch?
Please, try to find the batch number for this films: 291844, or 291845, or 291846 related to baptisms from Silao, Guanajuato
As you see I need steps, so tell me how.
Do all films have a batch number?
Any help appreciated. Thank you again.
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Hello everyone:
I've been a member for about two weeks. In going through some old pictures, I decided to get serious about charting out my family history, and through good ole Google, came across this Web site. In going through old pictures my late parents left me, I also found a typed family history of the paternal side of my family, which is from Ejutla, Jalisco.
Some more information from IGI and VRI. These appear to be siblings of Jose Rafael Michel Vasquez baptized in Tuxcacuesco, Jalisco.
Rita Josefa del Carmel
Christening: 24 Jul 1781 Place: Tuxcacuesco, Jalisco, Mexico
Father: Felis MICHEL
Mother: Augustina BASQUES
Batch Number: C602612 Film Number 634895
Jossef Ygnacio
Christening: 07 Feb 1779 Place: Tuxcacuesco, Jalisco, Mexico
Father: Felis MICHEL
Mother: Augustina BASQUES
Batch Number: C602612 Film Number: 634895
Roberto:
It is great to have you in the group and thank you for taking the time to present yourself and to provide such a rich and detailed family history.
I think you will find that there are many knowledgeable members in the group who are ready and willing to help you out with your documentation project and help you get your genealogy growing back in time and laterally.
Just to begin, San Miguel appears to be the name of the parrish in Ejutla so it is very likely that the town has historically been known by both names. Certainly some of the marriages listed in your document as occuring in San Miguel are listed in Ejutla parrish records.
This is from IGI and may be a good pair of films to start with as they will list the bride and groom's parents and have lots of other useful information.
MARCIALA URIBE
Marriages:
Spouse: RAFAEL GRA. Family
Marriage: 19 FEB 1828 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
Batch No.: M602638 Film Number 1155448
JOSE RAFAEL MICHEL Pedigree
Marriages:
Spouse: MA. ANTA. COBARRUVS. Family
Marriage: 21 JAN 1799 San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Mexico
Batch No.: M602637 Film Number 1155447
You can find a family history center near you on familysearch.org and order the films and then get a copy or scan of the actual documents.
If you go into the films database, you will notice that there is a substantial number of films from Ejutla that have been indexed in IGI and are therefore searchable. Just click on one of the IGI buttons and then you can browse through the names on the film or refine the search by last name or date or whatever other criteria...
Good luck.
I have on loan two films, one for Jesús María, Jal. baptisms 1908-1916, other one for Arandas, Jal. baptisms 1910-1913, I can do a look up glady.
Pedro:
The films listed in the database are all available through the Church of Latter Day Saints and you can order them at any one of their family history centers located throughout the US and the world for a nominal fee of $5.50. Some films are on permanent loan to group members and those who are willing to do ad hoc lookups for other members have listed their names next to the corresponding films.
Angie,
Thank you so much for all the Romero information. There's a 100 year
gap between your Romero's and what I know about mine. Maybe they
connect somewhere in that 100 years. I copied the information and am
Does anyone have the following records on permanent loan from SLC and
will look up a couple of records for me?
Source 0218457, Batch C603711
Source 0218529, Batch M603739
I am looking for information on Serapio Romero and Petra Pena, their
Ramirez De Coy