I've moved the Census records for Jalisco and Zacatecas from the
Ranchos2 files area to the Ranchos1 links area.
have a look: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/links/Dr_Platt_sCensusRefe_001131267898/ joseph ps: I need to add the Aguascalientes pages for this also.
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muchisimas gracias José Román. Esa noche estuve muy cansado y ya me
This a great idea. Es idea muy bueno. si puedo hayar |
I DID UPLOAD THE FILE OF MY GENEALOGY DIRECT LINE, TO RANCHOS 2 HOPE DID NO MISTAKES, THANK YOU.
You know that's right Elvira. I talk to the Nordic people at my family history center and they cannot believe that there are even records for Mexico in the 1700s let alone records that list maternal and paternal names up to the grandparents... along with race/caste, etc. As wrong as the motives may have been for maintaining all of this information... knowledge=control and the maintainance of information like this was obviously meant to categorize and keep people in their place. Nevertheless this information gives us a beautiful window into the lives of our ancestors. Emilie: Neither my father nor I have been able to locate my grandfather's birth certificate... either at the civil registry in the town where he was born nor in Gudadalajara. I think there were a lot of records lost just before the revolution. The government in Mexico was very weak and then a lot of records were destroyed. We are lucky we have been able to find his baptismal records. I have a similar
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Yesterday I was at the local FHC again poring over the microfilm for baptisms from Jerez around the time my father Guadalupe Olague was born (January 28, 1903). I have never been able to locate my father's birth record in it, even though I
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Angie,
Thanks for the info -- I guess I never found this before since the
title of the Civil Registrar of Jerez is under Ciudad Garcia, and not Jerez like the registros parroquiales. There is another series of Registro Civil for Jerez de Garcia Salinas that start with film 2177857 that lists Nacimientos only for 1871-1874, 1916, 1921-1927, then the rest is matrimonios and nacimientos and defunciones starting in 1906 for Ermita de los Correa, Monte de los Garcia, Palmas Altas, and Cienegillas de Fernandez. In both cases, the main author of each series of Civil Registrar films is
"Registro Civil". I wonder why there are two series and why one is titled Jerez de Garcia Salinas (the I had), and one is titled "Ciiudad Garcia" (the one you found). The series you found is so compete, but the one I had is not. I sure wish I could go down to the Zacatecas, the capital, and see
what they have, if they even let people look at what they have. Emilie Garcia
Port
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forgive me. . .I meant to reply the same day but decided to wait and
then promptly forgot.
wow! you make me feel like a god. . .how many can say they've had poety
written for them. I'm sure this will make my wife jealous, I can wait to
tell her!
Thank you Yolanda, what a nice thought and yes I do believe I'm getting
help from my primos, tios, tias, etc.
muchisimas, joseph Yolanda Medina-Perez wrote:
A tradition in Mexico is the writing of a CALAVERA for
friends,family, public personalities and politicians. Calaveras are
meant to be funny, they are not meant as eulogies, but are mild
teasing. There's usually some sort of rhyme, and they can be
several lines to several stanzas in length. They can also be poems
of sharp criticism especially towards Los Politicos or Governantes
from Mexico and U.S.
Here goes one for you Joseph, ojala y te guste. JOSEPHESTABA JOSEPH MUY DE MANANA
COMIENDO PAN Y TOMANDO SU ATOLE.
PLATICABA CON SU AMADA,
CON SU
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Victor,
Yes, you got it right. The state has always made a
second copy of the records. The originals (when the book closes) get sent to the state capital and the second copy is supposed to stay in the municipio it came from. The registro civil in Zacatecas City should
have the copy of the tome in question (let's hope that it survived la Toma de Zactecas). I had this problem with records from Durango. The documents were found in the registro civil in the city of Durango. Like someone said before ' thank God the Spanish
were compulsive record keepers". They taught the Mexicans well! Elvira
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I'm looking for more Poetry and Oral History for my
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast. If anyone is interested please
reply to makas@...
joseph
I'm not sure if it has always been the same but I understand that civil registry records are always made in duplicate; one for the local office and a copy for the State archives of the civil registry. So even if the local copy was burnt there's a chance that the State's copy survived. As I said, that is how it is done today but I'm not sure if the same rule applied back in 1903. The other question is where were the microfilms made, at the local office or at the state office? Victor --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"wrote: > > Victor, I was just going over the civil registry records I have checked and I haven't found any trace of my father, aunt or grandmother, nor of a marriage record for my grandfather Francisco Olague and grandmother Gorgonia Garcia. I checked the civil registry for Guadalupe, a town not far from Jerez, where my aunt Soledad's (my father's only sibling) death certificate says she was born. Also, the priest didn't say the
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Victor, I was just going over the civil registry records I have checked and
I haven't found any trace of my father, aunt or grandmother, nor of a marriage record for my grandfather Francisco Olague and grandmother Gorgonia Garcia. I checked the civil registry for Guadalupe, a town not far from Jerez, where my aunt Soledad's (my father's only sibling) death certificate says she was born. Also, the priest didn't say the records were burned in 1903, but later when the Revolucion war came to Jerez. It seems whoever wanted to destroy records set fire to the church and the civil registry office since the list of LDS films has gaps for 1903 in the bautismos of hijos naturales and all other records in the civil registry. Maybe someone there that wanted to hide something took advantage and destroyed the "evidence". I know Hitler destroyed his home town in Austria to prevent people finding proof he had Jewish blood, and a lady at the FHC says that some politico in Montreal |
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Oh, thanks, Alicia,
Now I know that it must have been the Civil Registry office in Jerez that
generated that certified record I found on my father. My father had only one sibling, a sister, Soledad Olague and I can't find anything on her either, nor on their mother Gorgonia Garcia. Gorgonia died in Jerez, but my father, his sister and his father and his father's mother and other relatives came to the US in 1913. My grandfather, aunt and great-grandmother are buried in Colorado, my father in San Jose. I've been looking for birth records for them for years with no luck, and
have only found them for my grandfather and his parents. Back to the salt mines. Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
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I cut the 1650 Tlaltenango Padron into 5 chunks so it would be easier to
download. It is in the links area now:
go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/ then go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/links then go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/links/1650_Tlaltenango_Cen_001131149315/ joseph ps: thanks Arturo!
Emilie, Don't despair. Do what Angie suggests and check the Civil Registry records. What I find strange is that the dates don't quite check because the Mexican Revolution started in 1910 not 1903. Maybe it was some other disaster or maybe they made a typo when they captured that record. I've seen microfilms whose contents don't exactly agree with the index at the Library Catalog. So maybe you can take a look at those microfilms anyway just to be sure. After all that, if you still haven't found anything, then you can cry, but just a little! Victor --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"wrote: > > Oh, Angie, Victor, > > I guess the priest my father talked to was correct. The records for 1903 when my father was born were burned during the Revolucion. The films skip from 1902 to 1906. I want to cry. > > Emilie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Emilie Garciamailto:auntyemfaustus@h...> > To: ranchos@yahoogroups.commailto:ranchos
Okay I've created a special Yahoo ID and Password and created a
YahooGroup for Nueva Galicia.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NuevaGalicia/
My purpose is to try to encourage people to join the group and start
formulating a plan for the future. A plan that would include a research
area that encompasses all of what Nueva Galicia was Historically. After
you all join and come to some kind of agreement as to who will run this
group and who will be moderators to help run it, I will turn over the
Yahoo ID/Password for ownership. Tied to this ID/Password is the email
address: NuevaGalicia2@...
So please I would encourage you to join this group and let the planning
start. Later if you want you can completely change anything and
everything. Since its just a planning committee group I made it unlisted
and private to group members only (no open archives).
I'll be part of the committee but only in a supportive role. I like the
idea of opening up the research area. I just don't
Emilie, Have you tried Civil Registration? I don't know if I have the right city, but here is this list: Nacimientos 1902 - FHL INTL Film [ 1081920 ] Nacimientos 1903-1904 - FHL INTL Film [ 1081921 ] Nacimientos 1905-1906 - FHL INTL Film [ 1089629 ] This was taken from: http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetai lsprint.asp?titleno=310581 Good Luck on your search, Angie Godina --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"wrote: > > Oh, Angie, Victor, > > I guess the priest my father talked to was correct. The records for 1903 when my father was born were burned during the Revolucion. The films skip from 1902 to 1906. I want to cry. > > Emilie
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Oh, Angie, Victor,
I guess the priest my father talked to was correct. The records for
1903 when my father was born were burned during the Revolucion. The films skip from 1902 to 1906. I want to cry. Emilie
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Thaks, Angie ---- I guess I never looked at the whole list for Jerez and
only saw the Bautismos on the top. Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --
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Thanks, Victor -- As usual you came to the rescue. I guess
before I didn't scroll down far enough when I was looking for films in Jerez, or I just took the film numbers off the IGI. Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --
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Emilie, Here is this list: Bautismos de hijos naturales 1867-1891 - FHL INTL Film [ 439889 ] Bautismos de hijos naturales 1891-1902 - FHL INTL Film [ 439890 ] Bautismos de hijos naturales 1906-1919 - FHL INTL Film [ 439891 ] Bautismos de hijos naturales 1953-1961 - VAULT INTL Film [ 439892 ] Taken from this page: http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetai lsprint.asp?titleno=354158 Good luck on your search, Angie Godina --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"wrote: > > Yesterday I was at the local FHC again poring over the microfilm for baptisms from Jerez around the time my father Guadalupe Olague was born (January 28, 1903). I have never been able to locate my father's birth record in it, even though I have found his father in Tepetongo (Rancho Salitrillo) and others there back to the early 1700's. While I was loading the film yesterday, I noticed that the title of the book filmed was "Bautismos de Hijos
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Yesterday I was at the local FHC again poring over the microfilm for
baptisms from Jerez around the time my father Guadalupe Olague was born (January 28, 1903). I have never been able to locate my father's birth record in it, even though I have found his father in Tepetongo (Rancho Salitrillo) and others there back to the early 1700's. While I was loading the film yesterday, I noticed that the title of the book filmed was "Bautismos de Hijos Legitimos", and sure enough, I did not find one "hijo natural" or "hijo de padre no conocido" in it. It seems all other films I have searched included all baptisms, hijos naturales, adoptivos, etc. even if they made reference to other books where the actual names of the parents were written. So, hmmm, was Daddy illegitimate? If so, is there a book for "hijos naturales" that was not microfilmed? What would such a book be called? Where would one obtain info from such a book, and would it take an act of congress to get it? My
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My main focus is in Jalisco - Tepatitlan de Morelos to be exact. I
have not been able to find anything farther away than that little
burg. In fact, after lurking on this list all summer, I haven't
found anyone with a connection to my Romero/de la Torre family from
that area. You are all such good researchers. I've been to SLC and
copied information from the Baptismos from Tepatitlan and am trying
to connect the Romero/de la Torre names to my family. My father was
born there but told so many "stories" the truth is hard to find. He
even had us kids claim he was born in Guatamala throughout our school
years. I found the truth when I was an