Nuestros Ranchos Site

[when I opened this page the message at the top said there are no films
for this]. . .does anyone know why this would say there are no films for
this area when the description says there are?:

Title Registros civiles del municipio de San Crist?bal de la Barranca,
Jalisco, 1870-1980
Authors San Crist?bal de la Barranca (Jalisco). Registro Civil

(Main Author

Josie: 
PENCIL ME IN maybe, just maybe my wife and I will
attend. Francisco
--- "Josie T. Trevino"  wrote:

>  
> Hi All!
>  
> I heard from Ruth Gomez Schirmacher, Salt Lake City
> Family History Library,
> today and she advises me that the Hispanic genealogy
> conference will be held
> "Next year it will be the second weekend of
> Oct"........that is an official
> quote from her e-mail to me!   :-)    
> So........that would make it on
> Saturday, October 14, 2006.  I know that it is still
> quite early but now you
> have a firm date that you can make your plans around
>  for our "unofficial
> reunion in SLC"........I have prepared a list of
> those who have expressed an
> interest in going (no obligation at this time) and
> as I receive more
> information regarding the details of the conference
> I will pass this on to
> the group so everyone can decide if they want to
> participate.  Please feel
> free to post any questions you may have regarding
> this and I will

Alicia:

I will make you a deal and since I have the section following yours,
I will proceed backwards and start transcribing your names in Excel
i

Arturo,

I just created a new folder on the Ranchos2 group and moved my files
there to free some space here.  

Victor

Link to files in Ranchos2:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ranchos2/files/



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> Alicia:
> 
> I will make you a deal and since I have the section following yours, 
> I will proceed backwards and start transcribing your names in Excel 
> if you transcribe the text from your section and mine.  It looks like 
> your names start on 115 recto.  My section's names stop at 124 
> verso.  So why don't you transcribe 111 recto through 114 verso and 
> then start up again on 124 verso and go through 130 verso.  That way 
> you will have all text which you can do in Microsoft Word.
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Alicia,
> > 
> > A section of what I'm transcribing contains also just text and I 
> plan
> > to create a separate text file for that.

Alicia:

I will make you a deal and since I have the section following yours, 
I will proceed backwards and start transcribing your names in Excel 
if you transcribe the text from your section and mine.  It looks like 
your names start on 115 recto.  My section's names stop at 124 
verso.  So why don't you transcribe 111 recto through 114 verso and 
then start up again on 124 verso and go through 130 verso.  That way 
you will have all text which you can do in Microsoft Word.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
wrote:
>
> Alicia,
> 
> A section of what I'm transcribing contains also just text and I 
plan
> to create a separate text file for that.  Excel is not very well
> suited for that and besides if we add all the text into one of the
> columns then we won't be able to manipulate the data as data.
> 
> About the Recto and Verso it simply refers to the front and back of
> each sheet.  We have to use those numbers instead of the numbers 
that
> are

Alicia,

A section of what I'm transcribing contains also just text and I plan
to create a separate text file for that.  Excel is not very well
suited for that and besides if we add all the text into one of the
columns then we won't be able to manipulate the data as data.

About the Recto and Verso it simply refers to the front and back of
each sheet.  We have to use those numbers instead of the numbers that
are inscribed in the document itself because with the Recto-Verso
numbers we can go back and locate any specific piece of information
that we need to verify.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
>
> Arturo,
>  
> I have created an account in the Archivos Españoles Red and opened
up the Colotlan 1785 document but I need to clarify what or where
exactly I begin. I opened up to the first entry for 111 where you
requested that I begin. On the left hand side it has a sequential
numerical column which states either "recto''  or ''verso''. Is

Victor:

That

An excerpt from the Whitewashed Adobe book in the general tone of 
what I think you are referencing:

The Mexican race now see, in the fate of the aborigines of the north, 
their own inevitable destiny.  They must amalgamante and be lost, in 
the superior vigor of the Anglo-Saxon race, or they must utterly 
perish.  They may postpone the hour for a time, but it will come, 
when their nationallity shall cease.

-- Democratic Review, February 1847


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte  
wrote:
>
> When I was in college back in the early '60s, I read a
> number of old news articles that were written by a
> California judge in the late 1800s about Mexicans and
> they were very cruel.  You could actually feel the
> hatred he had for us even back at that time.  After
> the military take over by the Americans of California,
> life must have been very hard for our people.  
> 
> Freedom does have a price. 
> 
> Alberto Duarte Prieto.
> Santa Maria, California
> 
> -

Angie,

Thank you, I didnt not know this.



              ~~glo~~







From: "aajay1073" 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Mexican Border
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:36:00 -0000

Glo,

Here is some information:

Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Guadalupe_Hildalgo

Maps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:National-atlas-territorial-
acquisitions.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Territorial-acquisition-uscensus-
bureau.jpg

If the links wrap be sure to recreate in address bar.

- Angie


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "glo Sandoval-Fuentes"
 wrote:
>
> I would like to hear further on this because I always thought that
Mexico
> did own California too, like till the beginning of the 1900's?
>
>
>
>                ~~glo~~
>








Yahoo! Groups Links

When I was in college back in the early '60s, I read a
number of old news articles that were written by a
California judge in the late 1800s about Mexicans and
they were very cruel.  You could actually feel the
hatred he had for us even back at that time.  After
the military take over by the Americans of California,
life must have been very hard for our people.  

Freedom does have a price. 

Alberto Duarte Prieto.
Santa Maria, California

--- Arturo Ramos  wrote:

> Ed/Angie:
> 
> Whatever the political status of the American
> Southwest was 
> throughout the 1700s and early 1800s, it was if not
> indigenous in 
> identity, certainly Mexican.  Most of the settlers
> in the area were 
> not Spaniards, as a lot of Anglo revisionist
> historians like to 
> purport by glorifying the missions, etc., but
> Mexicans... Tlaxacaltec 
> colonizers in New Mexico, immigrants from Sonora,
> Chihuahua, 
> Aguascalientes, etc... The original founding
> families of Culver City, 
>

Arturo,

I uploaded a part of my assignment.  This is not revised yet.
As you will see the Number column is blank. What sequence are you
following?

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> Victor:
> 
> That is fine, if you are unable to decode words, simply highlight 
> them, or put in three underscores (___) or both instead and we can 
> collectively go back and try to fill those in when we are done.
> 
> I have been able to decode more and more as I spend more time with 
> the text as you start learning the quirks of the specific 
> handwriting.  This one is actually pretty good penmanship compared to 
> some others I have seen.  As far as the surnames, you will have to 
> make the call.  Often if it is a surname it will be repeated later on 
> in the same or neighboring rancho.  I ran across a lot of "Carlos" 
> and was at first putting it as part of the first name but then when I 
> saw it next to women's names further down, I realized

I have noticed children taking on maternal names when land titles 
were associated with the maternal line... i.e. the child's maternal 
grandfather was a big landowner and so the child took on the name 
that went with the land (and prestige presumably).

Emilie, Tlaltenango is the main city in the valley that constitutes 
the "southern arm" of Zacatecas that is trapped between 
Aguascalientes and Jalisco.  It was the alcaldia for what is now 
Totatiche, Atolinga, Tepechitlan, Mezquital del Oro, etc.

I have both Talamantes and Avilas interspersed in my genealogy, also 
from Tlaltenango.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
>
> 
>     "The original founding families of Culver City, 
>     California, for example were the Talamantes and Avila from 
>     Aguascalientes... probably related to some people in the group".
> 
> Yes Arturo,
> 
> There is a Talamantes from Taltenango (where is that? I can't find 
it in a map) in my husband's lines in

Victor:

That is fine, if you are unable to decode words, simply highlight 
them, or put in three underscores (___) or both instead and we can 
collectively go back and try to fill those in when we are done.

I have been able to decode more and more as I spend more time with 
the text as you start learning the quirks of the specific 
handwriting.  This one is actually pretty good penmanship compared to 
some others I have seen.  As far as the surnames, you will have to 
make the call.  Often if it is a surname it will be repeated later on 
in the same or neighboring rancho.  I ran across a lot of "Carlos" 
and was at first putting it as part of the first name but then when I 
saw it next to women's names further down, I realized it was a 
surname and went back and changed them.

Can you upload what you have done as you finish chunks.  That way we 
can keep track of where people are and help in the decoding.  When 
you have another newer version, simply delete the existing one and

There are a few words that I haven't been able to decode.  I'm
highlighting those cells to get back to them.  When I finish the
extraction I'll give a second pass to everything and those words that
I'm still not able to decipher I'll ask for your help.

Another problem in some instances is deciding when one word is a
surname or is part of the given name.  How are you handling those?



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> I have uploaded the first three pages of my section so that you can 
> see what the data entry looks like.  It is in the Colotlan folder in 
> the files section of this site.
> 
> Joseph... if you think we should move this to Ranchos2, please go 
> ahead and do so and just let us know.
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Victor, Alicia, Joseph et. al.
> > 
> > I have created a folder in the files section for Ranchos that has 
> > instructions on how to do the transcription