Nuestros Ranchos Site

There is a ranch just outside of Jerez called Lo de
Luna.  Many of my ancestors came from this ranch. I
believe my  uncles (Garcia de la Cadena branch)
purchased the ranch from the Munoz family in the early
1700's.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- latina1955@... wrote:

> Rosalinda,
> This site is facinating.  I looked up Herrera, and
> there appears to be a rancho en Los Altos de Jalisco
> and Luna in Jerez!  Now while this may be a very
> remote possibility, perhaps the families from the
> areas are related to those from Tlaltenango.  Or, it
> could mean that there were lots of baptisms being
> performed on the indigenous populations, and they
> ran out of surnames.....
>  
> Esperanza (Chicago area)
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lareina2@...
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:09:46 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Rancho del Muerto -
> Gracias
> 
> 
> Hi Helyn--
>  
> If you click on this link:
> http://biblio2

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Yolanda Medina-Perez"
 wrote:
> Does anyone know of a group similar to "ranchos" for the state of 
> Chihuahua? I have many ancestors from Santa Rosalia,Camargo and need 
> some guidance and contacts.   
> 
> Yoli Medina Perez
> El Paso, Tx.

May I make the suggestion of the Mexican FHR group
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mexicanfhr/).  It is a group that I
started about a year ago, to cover all of Mexico.  There are only 9
members at the moment.  And any one is welcome, to join.  Recently, I
took on a client, who has ancestry, from Santa Rosalia & Carmargo.  So
if there are questions, ask them.  And I will see if I can find an answer.

Thanks,
Jonathan

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From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Alicia
Carrillo
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:34 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Research Groups for
other states

Yolanda,

 

It's funny that you asked that today. I was also wondering if anyone
knows of a group for Michoacan. A friend at the local FHC was asking me about
a group for her state of Michoacan, it would be greatly appreciated.

 

Alicia Carrillo

San Jose, Ca

Yolanda Medina-Perez
wrote:

style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Does
anyone know of a group similar to "ranchos" for the state of
Chihuahua?
I have many ancestors from Santa Rosalia,Camargo and need
some guidance
and contacts.  

Yoli Medina Perez
El Paso,
Tx.  

>From what I have been able to gather there are two places called 
Rancho del Muerto in Mexico.

One is in Chihuahua.  The other is in Aguascalientes.  There is a 
place on modern maps in the municipality of Rincon de Romos called 
Puerta del Muerto, which may be it and the other is a place just near 
Aguascalientes (the city) called Cerro del Muerto.

Given the proximity of Tlaltenango to Aguascalientes, that is 
probably where you should search.  There is someone who refers to el 
Rancho del Muerto in their geneaology as well:

www.somosprimos.com/spsep02.htm

And a map:

http://www.maps-of-mexico.com/ags/3-cosio-aguascalientes-mexico-
map.shtml


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Santos Luna  
wrote:
> 
> 
> In a marriage record for a Magallanas ancestor, Tlaltenango - 1764, 
he is listed as being from "Rancho del Muerto". (Hmmm I wonder how 
that rancho was named). Has anyone encountered ancestors from this 
rancho? I am looking for other possible connections

Does anyone know of a group similar to "ranchos" for the state of
Chihuahua? I have many ancestors from Santa Rosalia,Camargo and need
some guidance and contacts.  

Yoli Medina Perez
El Paso, Tx.  

Does anyone know of a group similar to "ranchos" for the state of 
Chihuahua? I have many ancestors from Santa Rosalia,Camargo and need 
some guidance and contacts.   

Yoli Medina Perez
El Paso, Tx.   

I have one ancestress whose birth record lists her as mestisa (that's how it was spelled) but her parents are listed in Luz M. Hilton's book as espagnoles and her son's birth record lists him as espagnol--go figure!!:( I think it had to do with did her parents (who were aristocrats, I might add) pay the priest enough for the baptism? Probably not. Marge:)

On Aug 10, 2005, at 9:58 PM, lareina2@... wrote:

Hi Erlinda--

 

If you have access to Ranchos 2, look in this folder: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ranchos2/files/Racial%20Classification/ .  The varying names indicated the "amount" of indigenous, African, or Spanish blood a person had, although by no means should the priest's words be taken as accurate.   I think sometimes the priest would base his judgment on what he saw.  The Spanish had quite a complicated process.  The specific name was supposed to indicate the racial measure of each person-- so if you had x amount of Spanish blood and y amount of indigenous blood, there was a

I'm hoping someone has the answer to why different classification are 
used for the same race.  I'm working on my Rolon line from Zapotlan El 
Grande and Tamazula.. Listings include Mulato, Lobo and Morisco for 
Blacks... why are they not all called the same thing? These are 
marriage records from the mid 1700's. They also put Blacks in a 
different leger than Espanoles and Mestizo's, does anyone know if 
there is a reason for this?
Linda from Wa. 

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Alberto,

You can filter your searches at Google using the minus sign (-).  For
example, the expression: genealogía duarte -portugal, will exclude all
the pages that have the word portugal.  Need to play around with your
search expressions.  You can combine several filters as well as words
within quotes and words without quotes in the same expression.

It helps reviewing the search tips from Google itself once in a while.
http://www.google.com/help/basics.html 

Victor Villarreal
México


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte  wrote:
> I hope you had better luck that me.  I use google but
> when I type "Duarte genealogia", the information I
> receive is about 98% from the Portuguese branch and
> very little from the Spanish Branch, and about 0% from
> Mexico.
> 
> But google is a good source.
> 
> Alberto Duarte Prieto
> Santa Maria, California
> 

I hope you had better luck that me.  I use google but
when I type "Duarte genealogia", the information I
receive is about 98% from the Portuguese branch and
very little from the Spanish Branch, and about 0% from
Mexico.

But google is a good source.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- "Josie T. Trevino"  wrote:

> 
> I went to Google and typed "Claudio Jimenez
> Vizcarra" and got two good
> websites......try it!
> 
> Josie in San Antonio, TX
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:10 AM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ranchos] Digest Number 570
> 
> 
> Message: 5         
>    Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:55:57 -0000
>    From: "Arturo Ramos" 
> Subject: Wills and Testaments in 16th  and 17th
> Centuries in Nueva Galicia
> 
> Here is a likely useful reference that I just found.
>  If anybody knows
> anything about it, please let me

I went to Google and typed "Claudio Jimenez Vizcarra" and got two good
websites......try it!

Josie in San Antonio, TX


-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:10 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Digest Number 570


Message: 5         
   Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 20:55:57 -0000
   From: "Arturo Ramos" 
Subject: Wills and Testaments in 16th  and 17th Centuries in Nueva Galicia

Here is a likely useful reference that I just found.  If anybody knows
anything about it, please let me know.  I am going to peruse it over at the
Library of Congress one of these days.

Jiménez Vizcarra, Claudio.
Indice del Archivo del Juzgado General de Bienes de Difuntos de la Nueva
Galicia, siglos XVI y XVII / Claudio Jiménez Vizcarra.
México, D.F. : Instituto Nacional de Antropología e Historia, 1978.
61 p. ; 27 cm. 

Here is a likely useful reference that I just found.  If anybody knows 
anything about it, please let me know.  I am going to peruse it over at 
the Library of Congress one of these days.

Jiménez Vizcarra, Claudio.
Indice del Archivo del Juzgado General de Bienes de Difuntos de la 
Nueva Galicia, siglos XVI y XVII / Claudio Jiménez Vizcarra.
México, D.F. : Instituto Nacional de Antropología e Historia, 1978.
61 p. ; 27 cm.

Alberto:

Thanks for the information.  Based on that article, I found a very 
useful book on the topic, which Schmal references:

People of the Peyote: Huichol Indian History, Religion, & Survival 
(Paperback) by Stacy B. Schaefer (Editor), Peter T. Furst (Editor)

I also ordered one of his books on genealogy.

Mexican-American Genealogical Research: Following the Paper Trail to 
Mexico (Paperback) by John Schmal, Donna Morales

I have also found a couple of books published by a University in 
Tlaxcala that are precisely on the topic of Tlaxacltec settlements in 
Zacatecas:

Los tlaxcaltecas en el estado de Zacatecas: sublevaciones 
Autor: Elva Martínez Rivera 
ISBN: 968-7727-33-0 

Constructores de la nación. La migración tlaxcalteca en el norte de 
la Nueva España
Autor: Israel Cavazos Garza
ISBN: 968-7727-36-5 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte  
wrote:
> John Schmal wrote an excellent article about the
> Chichimecas.  
> 
> Please go to and see:
> 
ht

Thank you for your help, especially the map!  I do believe my Mendez 
family from Tamazula may have come from Michoacan... Looks like many 
people followed the jobs, my family seems to have worked the sugar 
cane.  
thank you again, Linda in Wa.

Could it be Zamora, Michoacán? 

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.travelamap.com/mexico/michoacan.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.travelamap.com/mexico/michoacan.htm&h=360&w=490&sz=69&tbnid=WXREAccOoCQJ:&tbnh=93&tbnw=127&hl=en&ei=w7T4Qq6jKZyaaIfJnZ8L&sig2=U7X-f48YUmMGXxUe5V8RFw&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmichoacan%2Bmap%26svnum%3D50%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26newwindow%3D1%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3DGGLG,GGLG:2005-32,GGLG:en


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
 wrote:
> I'm working on records from Zapotlan el Grande/Ciudad Gusman Jalisco 
> and am finding many people from Samora/Zamora and can't find it on the 
> map of Jalisco. Does anyone know if this town is in Jalisco or a 
> neighboring state?  The time period is around 1750.
> thanks for any help, Linda from Wa.

I'm working on records from Zapotlan el Grande/Ciudad Gusman Jalisco 
and am finding many people from Samora/Zamora and can't find it on the 
map of Jalisco. Does anyone know if this town is in Jalisco or a 
neighboring state?  The time period is around 1750.
thanks for any help, Linda from Wa.