Nuestros Ranchos Site

I guess you're right, we did eat well at the expense of hotel rooms & baths!
We only ate out in Mexico because it was cheaper to feed a family of eight
with big appetites. :)  Occasional burgers in the U.S. happened more rarely.

During our trips, we would pile into a hotel room the night before arriving
to our first destination: Ags (my dad's family immigrated there from Jal.in
the 1950's) for showers.  The other 2 nights were spent in the car.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Alberto Duarte [mailto:albertodua@...] 
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:32 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Re: Tamales and mole

You ate real good!  I envy you.  I can count the number of times on my left
hand that my dad took us to a restaurant.

Alberto.

--- Irma GomezLucero  wrote:

> You're right Alberto.  I recall when I lived in San Diego, a 
> Mexican-Amer co-worker telling me that another made tamales funny.  I 
> responded with how does she make them?  He

I visited the same cemetery when I visited Jerez a
number of years ago.  I took photographs of the
headstones (those that I thought that were related to
me).  The church and cemetery were probably very
beautiful in their time, but yes, the site has been
neglected.  

Alberto.

--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> Dear Jose,
> It's not a very big town but it is a lovely one!  I
> did get to go to a 
> cemetery called El Panteon de Dolores (there was
> more to the name, but 
> I cannot recall it.)  It was very interesting.  Some
> of graves are 
> covered by elaborate headstones and huge carved
> marblery.  A few are 
> very distant relatives or family connections of my
> grandmother's.  What 
> was also sad about this site was that here these
> folks had spent a LOT 
> of money to perpetuate their existence and the
> cemetery was so 
> neglected and overgrown with weeds.  One grave had a
> broken slab and 
> bees had made their hive inside.  My husband, our
> guide, and

You ate real good!  I envy you.  I can count the
number of times on my left hand that my dad took us to
a restaurant.

Alberto.

--- Irma GomezLucero  wrote:

> You're right Alberto.  I recall when I lived in San
> Diego, a Mexican-Amer
> co-worker telling me that another made tamales
> funny.  I responded with how
> does she make them?  He answered that she folded
> them instead of tying the
> ends with a small strip of hoja.  I smiled because
> we fold them, and I kept
> wondering why they tied the ends in all of the
> Mexican restaurants in San
> Diego.  This is when I discovered that this was how
> they made them in Baja
> California where my first co-worker's mom was from,
> and many of the
> restaurant cooks in the area.  By the way, I vote
> San Diego for the best
> Mexican restaurants.  In San Diego, my husband & I
> never got that stuffed
> feeling we often get from Northern Calif. Mexican
> restaurants, unlike my
> mom's.  
> 	I remember while traveling to

You're right Alberto.  I recall when I lived in San Diego, a Mexican-Amer
co-worker telling me that another made tamales funny.  I responded with how
does she make them?  He answered that she folded them instead of tying the
ends with a small strip of hoja.  I smiled because we fold them, and I kept
wondering why they tied the ends in all of the Mexican restaurants in San
Diego.  This is when I discovered that this was how they made them in Baja
California where my first co-worker's mom was from, and many of the
restaurant cooks in the area.  By the way, I vote San Diego for the best
Mexican restaurants.  In San Diego, my husband & I never got that stuffed
feeling we often get from Northern Calif. Mexican restaurants, unlike my
mom's.  
	I remember while traveling to Mexico as a kid to visit my abuelitos,
we used to have some of the best steaks in the Northern states from Ciudad
Juarez through Durango, Zacatecas, etc., to our final destination: San Juan
de los Lagos.  My dad would give

Dear Jose,

It's not a very big town but it is a lovely one! I did get to go to a cemetery called El Panteon de Dolores (there was more to the name, but I cannot recall it.) It was very interesting. Some of graves are covered by elaborate headstones and huge carved marblery. A few are very distant relatives or family connections of my grandmother's. What was also sad about this site was that here these folks had spent a LOT of money to perpetuate their existence and the cemetery was so neglected and overgrown with weeds. One grave had a broken slab and bees had made their hive inside. My husband, our guide, and myself were the only ones there and it was a sobering experience.



Sorry, I don't know anyone's address or anything. Leonardo de la Torre Berumen and Bernardo del Hoyo Calzada are two gentlemen whom I met on my trip. Bernardo and Leonardo collaborate a lot on historical research. You might be able to get Leonardo's email address from Mimi Lozano's Somos Primos

Yes, also send me a scan of the Duartes.

Thank you.

Hey, Jose, we could be related!



Alberto.

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> Jose,
> 
> I have a 2002 phone book that has a section for
> Jerez. Would you like 
> for me to send you a scan of all the Macias?
> 
> joseph
> 
> 
> zendean wrote:
> 
> >Margarita;
> >    My great grandfather and ggmother were from
> Jerez, Zacatecas. I wonder, 
> >is it a big town ? Francisco Macias and his wife
> Leonarda Ramirez are and 
> >have always been a mystery to me. My Aunt told me
> that they visited them in 
> >Zacatecas when they were little and that the
> Macias's lived on a farm there.
> >    I wonder if you know some one that is there now
> that I can correspond 
> >with to ask about them.
> >
> >Jose Macias
> >usa20@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Margarita Vallazza" 
> >To: 
> >Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:51 AM
> >Subject: Re: [ranchos] FOOD:Mole/Pipian

Margarita;

My great grandfather and ggmother were from Jerez, Zacatecas. I wonder,
is it a big town ? Francisco Macias and his wife Leonarda Ramirez are and
have always been a mystery to me. My Aunt told me that they visited them in
Zacatecas when they were little and that the Macias's lived on a farm there.
I wonder if you know some one that is there now that I can correspond
with to ask about them.

Jose Macias
usa20@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Margarita Vallazza"

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] FOOD:Mole/Pipian/Genealogy

My dad's mother was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and she died just before my
sixth birthday so I don't have a lot of memories of her but here's one
or two:

I remember her fixing something called atole, which I didn't like, but
remembering it from a fog of some years' distance, I would say it's a
healthy drink.  She also had prunes in her oatmeal, so when I'd pop in

It's all regional:
Funny, if you ask the people from Zacatecas if their
food tastes better, 99% will tell you that there is
food is much better.  And if ask the people of Jalisco
if their food tastes better, 99% will tell you that
their food is better.  To me, the Mexican food here in
California is the best (But I won't tell that to my
wife).

Alberto.

--- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:

> Irma,
>  
> Jalostitlan and Tlachichila Zacatecas are only about
> 2 hours from each other so I''m sure that many foods
> are very similar, this must be one of those foods.
>  
> Alicia
> 
> Irma GomezLucero  wrote:
> Alicia,
>     You're making me hungry.  My parents used to
> make the agua fresca w/ lettuce & fruits. 
> Unfortunately we didn't appreciate it because of the
> lettuce.  My folks are from Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.
> Irma
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------
> From: Alicia Carrillo [mailto:alliecar@...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:48 PM
> To: ranchos

St. Xavier is near the Alameda and Piasano streets
that are just west of Washington Park.  Most of the
old homes have been torn down (probably because the
area was becoming a slum area).  Nearby, there is a 6
lane bridge crossing over to Juarez.  From the bridge
you can see St. Xavier. 

Most of people that lived in the St. Xavier church
area were originally from Chihuahua, such as my
mother's family, and many were from Zacatecas/Durango,
such as my father's family.  The great majority of the
people were very poor, but their sons and daughters
eventually made the core of our great generation--hard
working, outstanding citizens.  Many of the second
generation want on to become doctors, lawyers,
engineers, actors (Antony Quinn, Gilbert Roland),
teachers, politicians, war heros, and athletics (Ted
Williams mother was from there).

The next generation will even be greater!

Alberto.



--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> Where is St. Xavier's?  I don't recall ever hearing
>

Where is St. Xavier's? I don't recall ever hearing the name. I used
to go to Sacred Heart and then after we moved when I was 8 to Little
Flower (over by Lakeside Shopping Center) and finally to St. Joseph's
which was the closest Catholic church near our house when we lived near
5 points. Don't y'all just love this conversation? I do! Marge:)
On Jun 29, 2005, at 10:06 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote:

> Jose, you can probably find or contact your Macias
> clan members in El Paso if you go to the old
> neighborhood and search for them. 
>
> Your grandfather was probably well know in the old
> barrio.  My uncle Jesus Duarte still lives in the old
> barrio and he probably knew some of

Where is St. Xavier's? I don't recall ever hearing the name. I used to go to Sacred Heart and then after we moved when I was 8 to Little Flower (over by Lakeside Shopping Center) and finally to St. Joseph's which was the closest Catholic church near our house when we lived near 5 points. Don't y'all just love this conversation? I do! Marge:)

On Jun 29, 2005, at 10:06 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote:

Jose, you can probably find or contact your Macias

clan members in El Paso if you go to the old

neighborhood and search for them. 



Your grandfather was probably well know in the old

barrio.  My uncle Jesus Duarte still lives in the old

barrio and he probably knew some of your relatives.



As far as finding your Macias family in Zacatecas, you

can find them if you have a plan.  I found many of my

Duarte ancestors by tracing them them from Mapimi,

Durango, to Jerez, Zacatecas, and eventually, to other

parts of Zacatecas.  In fact, I believe my

greatggggfather was probably the

Alicia,

    You're making me hungry.  My parents used to make the agua fresca w/ lettuce & fruits.  Unfortunately we didn't appreciate it because of the lettuce.  My folks are from Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

Irma

---

From: Alicia Carrillo [mailto:alliecar@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:48 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Tamales and mole

Esperanza,

 

These tamales were a recent addition to our family that is within the last 25 years or so. We learned that from the families in Ensenada.

 

My mom is and has always been an excellent cook but she didn't make tamales with all these ingredients. I believe that in addition to economics, family culture also is very telling in how a family cooks and eats.

 

In my mom's family, everyone prides themselves

Jose, you can probably find or contact your Macias
clan members in El Paso if you go to the old
neighborhood and search for them.  

Your grandfather was probably well know in the old
barrio.  My uncle Jesus Duarte still lives in the old
barrio and he probably knew some of your relatives.

As far as finding your Macias family in Zacatecas, you
can find them if you have a plan.  I found many of my
Duarte ancestors by tracing them them from Mapimi,
Durango, to Jerez, Zacatecas, and eventually, to other
parts of Zacatecas.  In fact, I believe my
greatggggfather was probably the patriarch of the
Duarte clan in Zacatecas!

Use the Mormon library to gather your genealogical
information.  Get a microfiche copy of all the Macias
in Zacatecas and start researching them one by one,
starting with those with the same first and last name
of your grandfather's.  

Don't over look any Macias, no matter what part of
Zacatecas they came from.  Believe me, the chance of
you being related to them is very

Gloria

She send you an E-mail and says no reply recieved. You
can send mail at this address. 

Jose

--- glo Sandoval-Fuentes 
wrote:

> Jose 3 of your spouses names are my names also, is
> she on this group also?
> 
> gloria
> 
>                ~~glo~~
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: jose munoz 
> Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Racial Classifications
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:24:50 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> I'm new to this group and read many of the groups
> messages.. In my family lines there were hijo and
> hijas naturales along with hijo/hijas legitimos. For
> example 3 naturals out of family 12. I have a copy
> of
> the Church Marriage Record.... so why a natural
> baptism for 3 of them. I have a gggrandfather
> baptized
> as a Don? Why at birth is someone named a don? Heir
> apparent? Laborers, Sirvientes, miners.
> 
> I have a family line who think they are French. Why?
> Because of Grandma's Green

Emile, things were so rough for Mexicans in Hollywood
in the 20's thru the 50's, that Mexicans were not
given jobs on the sets, but they were not even allowed
on the grounds!  So for anyone of us to make in
Hollywood at that time, we had to be great and
cunning. That only shows you who are God's chosen
people; but we still have a long ways to go.

Alberto.

--- Emilie Garcia  wrote:

> Alberto,
> 
> My husband Tony was the great-grandson of guero
> espanol-mexicanos from Jalisco who did well after
> settling in El Paso after 1895. They owned grocery
> stores, butcher shops, taxi companies, bakeries and
> auto repair shops.  Had his parents not divorced, he
> would still be there attending Catholic schools and
> colleges, like his cousins who have remained there
> to this day and are teachers and engineers, etc. 
> Only his great-great-grandfather, his second wife,
> and one son moved to Los Angeles in 1930.  Tony
> tells me that his life in El Paso was great.  He
>

Alberto;

What an interesting memory! My Grandparents, (Feliciano and Rosa
Macias) donated the land to the church on which St. Xavier Catholic church
was built. Most of my aunts and uncles were married there. I was looking for
a relative and found the name in the records of marriage there. My Aunt
Aurora told me that it was not surprising and that I would find her and her
sisters there also. That was news to me.

My grandparents lived and died there in El Paso. My Macias line starts
there for me and it was nice to see your entry about that area. My dad,
Felix Macias, met and married my mom here in Los Angeles. I have never been
to El Paso, though most all of my branch of the Macias line still lives
there. I don't know where my El Paso relatives live there and know no one
there that could tell me where to look. I have a brick wall where it comes
to my great grand father -Francisco Macias because he is from somewhere in
Zacatecas. He had a ranch/farm there and that

Hello:

Indeed, Tangancicuaro is a municipio in the state of Michoacan. It 
is located very close to the city of Zamora. Last year, my 
girlfriend and I drove all the way from Jalisco to Patzcuaro, 
Michoacan. We stopped at several places in Michoacan, and one of 
them was the lake of Camecuaro in Tangancicuaro. Beautiful place. 

So Tangancicuaro is not in Jalisco. All names that end up in -cuaro 
have their origin on Purepecha, the ancient language of Michoacan.

By the way, do a google image search on "Tangancicuaro" 
or "Camecuaro" to see the beautiful images in that municipio.

Saludos,

Steve

PS. I apologize for getting out of the target area with this 
message. 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Erlinda Castanon-Long 
 wrote:
> Steve, I caught the name Tangancicuaro in your message.  Is that a 
city or a lake?  I have an ancestor who's marriage record says she 
is from Tangancicuaro and I can't find it in Jalisco? Could this be 
what I've been looking for, a

I checked those CD's, too. The DVD's (Jalisco and Michoacan) give a
lot of information about some of the ranchos on the states. They
missed some places, like Tapalpa and Sayula in Jalisco, or the lake of
Tangancicuaro in Michoacan, but in general it is worth it. Some songs
are nice, but they had to chose better performers in some of them.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Maria Hilda Mosqueda McGuire"
wrote:
> I want to recommend a CD/DVD I recently purchased from Univision.com;
> It is called Mexico en la Sangre, and they have one on Jalisco,
> Michoacan and Puebla. I bought the one from Michoacan as my granny
was
> born there. It has songs from that state as well a DVD