Nuestros Ranchos Site

The place was a.k.a. "Rincon de Ocotoxpa" or "San Nicolas de Ocotoxpa". That "Puesto" was in the "jurisdiccion" of "el pueblo de Cuquio" as can be seen in the christening record of Maria Casilda de Jesus christened on 09 April 1744. She was the sister of Don Andres Sanchez. The record is the last one of the page at the left hand side in the following image:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FQ5Y-X

I hope the information above may be of some help.

Hola Enrique.

Matías y Catarina son los padres de Joaquina Suárez. Joaquina fué bautizada en Atotonilco el 19 de Enero de 1717:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J9GD-YQP

Matías y Catarina también tuvieron un hijo llamado Santiago. Santiago casó con María Paniagua en Ayo el Chico el 21 de Febrero de 1730:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCDP-4TY

Santiago Suárez y María Paniagua bautizaron a su hijo Manuel Perfecto en La Barca el 30 de Abril de 1741. Los padrinos de Manuel Perfecto fueron Francisco Carrasco y Joaquina Suárez. La partida de bautismo de Manuel Perfecto es la última de la hoja del lado derecho en la siguiente imagen:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-QVCD-N

Hello,

I need help. I'm trying to purchase the book HISTORIA DE TOTATICHE tomo II by Esteban Valdez Salazar. I already looked in Borderland Book store (they don't have it). Can anyone know where to find a copy of the book? Can anyone have the contact information of the author?

Any information would be greatly appreciated

susana L

According to www.Worldcat.org, the closest library to you that has a copy of "Historia de Totatiche" is the University of California, Irvine, library.

Esteban Valdez Salazar has some other books as well:
--Historia de la Parroquia de Totatiche : 250 aniversario
--Historia de Totatiche. II tomo, Títulos de tierra a los vasallos del rey (Nuestros antepasados) : documentos inéditos

I'm not sure if the second title ("II tomo") is actually what you are looking for, unfortunately, this is at the San Antonio public library.

There is also a book catalogued as "Historia de Totatiche : Jalisco, México" that is at the CSU-LA and UCLA libraries.

The University libraries shold have their catalogues online so you may be able to determine which of these is actually what you are looking for.

If you are not a student or alumni of any of these universities, you should check their policies for public access before going to the library.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Thank you Manny for your celebration of Ana María India Ladina.

Happy Mother’s Day everyone,

Rick

"They say you die twice. Once when you stop breathing and the second, a bit later on, when somebody mentions your name for the last time."

Because of you, Manny, Dona Ana Maria India Ladina is not forgotten :)

Hi Antonio.

Calixto Madera was the Presidente municipal de Huejuquilla on 1880 as can be seen on the following pdf file:

http://cdigital.dgb.uanl.mx/la/1080013558/1080013558_28.pdf

Please scroll down to page LXXXVII:

"Los CC. Director político de Totatiche, Director político de Mesquitic, Presidente municipal de Chimaltitan, Presidente municipal de Huejuquilla, Presidente municipal de Huejúcar, Y Presidente municipal de Santa María me dicen lo que á la letra copio:"

Starting at the two last lines of the page:

"Pongo en el Superior conocimiento de vd. que acaban de pasar en ésta las elecciones primarias, las que conforme á las ritualidades de la ley se verificaron con todas las garantías apetecibles.--Libertad en la Constitución. Huejuquilla, Junio 28 de 1880.--Calixto Madera.--Al jefe político de Colotlan"

This is the book:

http://www.worldcat.org/title/ultima-palabra-sobre-elecciones-federales-del-estado-de-jalisco-en-los-meses-de-junio-e-julio-de-1880/oclc/9714772

Hope you find helpful this information.

I've seen a lot of reference to Huejuquilla, but in old Spanish they spelled it Guaxuquilla or Guaxuquiya.

Tengo en mis investigaciones genealógicas, mucha información de las familias Márquez a partir de1700 aprox. si alguien está interesado, favor de comunicarlo, beutelsp@hotmail.com

i don't think either of my marquez de los olivos lines descend from those two

I'd be interested as well

I'd be interested as well

Hi Daniel,

Maria Justa de Jesus Maldonado; abuelos paternos are Maximo Maldonado & Maria Isidra Hinojosa, maternos are Francisco Ortiz & Maria Juana Gonzalez. Padarinos Jose Antonio Arango & Maria Jesus Miranda. Bottom right:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-1997-BV?i=205&wc=3PSC-…

Good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Hi Daniel.

Jose Ricardo de Jesus Ortiz was christened the same year Maria Justa de Jesus Maldonado was christened (1834). Both families were living in the same place: "Arroyo Seco de Arriba".

The parents of Jose Ricardo are Jose Francisco Ortiz and Maria Juana Gonzalez. So Jose Ricardo is the brother of Maria Francisca Ortiz.

Their 4 grandparents are listed in the christening record of Jose Ricardo:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-1997-79

Librada Perez Munoz
Gender Female
Christening Date 03 May 1863
Christening Place SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Cleto Perez (Anacleto Perez)
Mother's Name Higinia Munoz
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVRG-BFH : 10 February 2018), Higinia Munoz in entry for Librada Perez Munoz, 03 May 1863; citing SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 220,664

R.A.Ricci

Hi Abraham,

Librada Perez Munoz died August 21st 1952. Her father was Cleto Perez and her mother was Higinia Munoz. Here is the record:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939D-HN9Q-XL

Chris

Hello Aurora.

I agree with Manny, the word might be "Arbitrista" but it was misspelled (The declarant Tranquilino Moreno was also an "alvitrista").

Here is the relevant record (Rec. No. 225) so others can take a look and express their opinion.

Hi Aurora,

Double check that "l": are you sure it's not an "r"? The word might be "arbitrista," which would be an arbitrator.

Good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Danny,

A couple of years ago I noticed that some indexed records incorrectly showed the parish church of Jesus Maria, Jalisco as Jesus, Guadalajara. I think this error may have been corrected recently and that those records now say Jesus Maria Pueblo, Jalisco, Mexico. Perhaps the couple you seek is in Jesus Maria Pueblo and not in Guadalajara.

Hello Danny.

In our time Jesús is a church in the city of Guadalajara.

Please see the following list:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DKS7-Q?owc=3JW2-3TL%3A171935001%3Fcc%3D1874591&cc=1874591

The listed places are churches (or parishes) in the same city, (Except the first two: Arzobispado and Diócesis).

Can you tell who the couple you´re looking for is?. Perhaps somebody can help to find them.

Hi Daniel,

If you're trying to find the parents of Roman Torres and Secundina Monreal it's always easiest to go to the marriage first to see if the parents are named. If they're not named than look for the informacion matrimonial which usually is given about 30 days or less before the marriage. The IM shows that Roman Torres is 18 and the legitimate son of Cornelio Torres and Victoriana Olivares and Secundina Monreal is 15 and the legitimate daughter of Marcos Monreal and Prudencia Ramirez.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GGRP-HPS

Chris

after review of film 707644 I did not find them and I don't think they are contained in this film as it goes up only to 1808.

However, there is this couple during the same timeline with the same names from Guanajuato. Hope this helps.

Roman Torres
Deceased • MX6Y-7BR​
Secundina Monreal
Deceased • K8Z7-J7L​
Marriage: 13 OCT 1858

San Felipe,Guanajuato,Mexico

Hello Bob,

You can find partial transcriptions of testaments for the following residents of early colonial Aguascalientes.

Hope this is helpful.
Austin Perez

Simona de la Cerda (transcribed by Bill Figuroa)
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/L%C3%B3pez_de_la_Cerda-9

Sebastián Merino
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Merino-11

Petrona de Sotomayor (aka Montañez)
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Sotomayor-8

Nicolas de Santos
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Santos-26

Jorge de Ayala
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Ayala-42

Francisco de Esqueda Acosta
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Esqueda_Acosta-3

Welcome!

I have people from some of the areas you mentioned, and some of the last names as well. Send me a message through the group so we can compare notes!

Rosalinda

can you share some of the spouse's or approximate dates for these surnames? I have all these names in my files but need more information to know what to share with you.
My personal e-mail is longsjourney@yahoo.com if you would like me to send the records to your personal e-mail account.
Erlinda Castanon-Long

Hola,

Las dispensas de Michoacán están en la Arquidiócesis de Morelia (ADM), antes llamada la Sagrada Mitra de Valladolid. Últimamente no he hecho investigaciones en la ADM, pero fue Tony Campos quien primero me la indicó hace muchísimos años. Hace años cuando uno mandaba pedir los rollos de microfilm desde Salt Lake City, le llegaban a su Centro de Historia Familiar, y uno tenía que ir al lugar durante sus horas de apertura y ahí las podía consultar a calmas por unas semanas. ¿Uf, recuerdan aquellos tiempos?

Bueno gracias a Dios, ahora estos microfilms están en línea, pero no estoy seguro bajo cual tïtulo exacto. Primeramente accede a esta página { https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysea… } . Aquí están detallados todos los archivos de Morelia, Michoacán: Arquidiócesis de Michoacán, Arquidiócesis de Morelia, Diócesis de Michoacán, Sagrario Metropolitano, Santa María de los Altos, y Valladolid.

Creo que es necesario mencionar la razón de importancia que tiene la Arquidiócesis de Morelia, sus archivos, padrones, dispensas matrimoniales, etc., con Los Altos de Jalisco, Aguascalientes y Zacatecas. El Obispado de Michoacán, en el Reino de la Nueva España, colindaba territorialmente con el Obispado de Guadalajara, en el Reino de la Nueva Galicia. Partes de lo que hoy es el Estado Soberano de Jalisco, antes del año 1795, estaban en otros Obispados virreinales. Por ejemplo, Ayo el Chico, Atotonilco el Alto, Ocotlán, La Barca, Jamay, Poncitlán, y otros pueblos de la Ciénega de la Laguna de Chapala, en Jalisco formaban parte del Obispado de Michoacán y tienen sus archivos diocesanos y arquidiocesanos en Morelia. También en Morelia se encuentran documentos archivales de San Pedro Piedra Gorda (hoy Ciudad Manuel Doblado), Pénjamo, León, y San Felipe, Guanajuato, y si no me equivoco, tambien Pinos, Zacatecas y San Luis Potosí, pero no me consta. No se diga de todo el completo estado de Michoacán.

Un ejemplo interesante, la feligresías de Atotonilco el Alto y Poncitlán estaban literalmente partidas en dos. Las partes nortes estaban en el Obispado de Guadalajara, en el Reino de la Nueva Galicia, pero la partes sur, más cercanas a la Laguna, estaban en el Obispado de Michoacán, en el Reino de la Nueva España. Existe un rancho llamado La Soledad, que en realidad son dos puestos, pero uno estaba en la feligresía de Tepatitlán, en el Obispado de Guadalajara, y el otro puesto de La Soledad en el Obispado de Michoacán. Y los dos puestos solo estaban a una corta distancia. Pero los feligreses de cada lado de su frontera tenían a fuerza que acudir a su propia Mitra, o a Guadalajara o a Valladolid (Morelia).

Como muchos de Ustedes ya saben muy bien, a veces nuestros antepasados en la Nueva Galicia se casaban con personas de otro reino u obispado, o se casaban enteramente en otro reino u obispado. Tal vez tengan algún documento del archivo del pueblo, pero es muy probable que mencionen una dispensa o información matrimonial que nunca van a encontrar en Guadalajara. Van a tener que buscarla en Morelia, Michoacán.

Atentamente,
Steven Francisco Hernández López

Hello Minerva.

Carlos Cuevas and María Flores were the paternal grandparets of Nepomucena and Librada Cuevas according to the christening record of Librada.

So the relationship between Francisco and Nepomucena must be through their Flores lineage.

The full given name of María Flores is María de San José (Maria de Sn. Jph.) according to other record available at FamilySearch.

I hope those records help in your search.

it's quite possible it never got microfilmed or got lost. i've come accross couples that i knew for certain were related to each other but yet was never able to find one for them. while all these couples in question were married before 1800, i wouldn't be surprised if there's post 1800 ones that aren't available online