Hi, Everyone:
I just wanted to let you know that I just added a new file to my member's
genealogy file. Under Ardoin, Corrine, you will see I added my Gonzalez
Family Tree for the research I have been doing in Huejuquilla El Alto,
Jalisco. The source is primarily the LDS Film No. 1667417 San Diego Parish
Records Baptisms 1833-1875.
Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California
Sunday, March 15, 2009
Dear Eduardo--
Many thanks for your message. I do have the people you mentioned. They are all great uncles or aunts to my husband. The ones I am missing are as follows:
Child 3 Juan GODINEZ born about 1886
married 22 Sep 1910 to
M. Felipa GUTIERREZ
Child 4 Estefania GODINEZ born about 1888
married 21 Nov 1906 to
Ildefonso ESTRADA
(She died during the great flu epidemic of 1918)
Child 5 Maria Trinidad GODINEZ born about 1891
spinster
died in Tijuana, B.C., Mexico about 1980
Child 6 Francisco GODINEZ (not Francisca)
A twin born 1 Oct 1893 in San Joaquin, Atotonilco el Alto.
married Ma. Encarnacion ARRANAGA about 1925???
Child 7 Nicolas GODINEZ born 1 Oct 1893
the second twin, bachelor
died 7 Sep 1925 in San Joaquin
killed by lightning while under a tree
Child 11 Manuel GODINEZ born 12 Jun 1906
younger brother of Nicolas, bachelor
died 7 Sep 1925 in San Joaquin
killed by the same lightning along with a friend of theirs
The friend's name I no longer have.
Child 12 Jose GODINEZ born 29 May 1909
apparently died very young, no one remembered him
Please tell me what names you are researching. Currently, I am in the process of indexing the 1930 Census for the villages of Margaritas, Milpillas, Santa Elena (previously known as Ranch Viejo, Salitrillo (it only had 60 people in 1930--most who were either DUENAS or apparently married into the DUENAS family, and San Joaquin. I also have some information of the ranchos/haciendas of Bramido, Aguascalientes, El Nacimiento, and the city of Atotonilco el Alto.
I truly thank you for your help with the GODINEZ siblings.
Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego
PS Eduardo, where are you located?
--- On Sun, 3/15/09, Eduardo H Seoane wrote:
Sunday, Mar 15, 2009
Dear Victoriano-
I have two feelings about indices. First, that they are good and help you to find someone quickly, if they are indeed listed. Second, that they are bad because you might skip over someone needed for your family tree. Personally, I would check the film completely at least once, if it was very important because even if you don't find the person you want, you might find other relatives.
Recently, I came across a Cipriana GODINEZ, daughter of Juan GODINEZ and Estefania DE LA TORRE. I have been looking for her brother for at least 30 years. She was in an index of Toluquilla, Jalisco. I had found her parents listed in another index for being married in Toluquilla but with the wrong year...someone had extracted it incorrectly by 10 years. That was many years ago.
Cipriana herself had said at the time of her marriage, 2 Nov 1907, in Atotonilco el Alto, that she was from Toluquila. None of her other siblings said that and since she was the only one and not on my husband's direct line, I didn't bother to order the film. Some of the other siblings had sent me off on other goose chases which resulted in NO new information.
The nice thing about finding Cipriana born on 9 Oct 1884 in Toluquilla, and I have now ordered that film, is that it pushed her brother Juan GODINEZ down a couple of years to where he should more correctly be listed. I still haven't found Juan, who is on my husband's direct line, nor 2 other siblings but I feel I am getting closer. Eventually as more indexes become available, I will find these errant GODINEZ people.
I hope my answer helps you decide what to do. As you can see, there is no exact science to Family History and sometimes even after very diligent work, nothing comes of it and then sooner or later the answer we seek appears.
Best of luck to you in your search.
Sincerely,
Patrica Burton
San Diego
--- On Sun, 3/15/09, victorianonavarro wrote:
> From: victorianonavarro
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] IGI Indices.... Ancestors in Ocotlan, Jalisco...
> To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 6:21 PM
> Dear Patricia,
> Thanks for your message I don't really know for sure if
> I should be looking for VICTORIANO NAVARRO in Ocotlán.
> I found the names of his parents and grandparents in al old
> family tree prepared in 1935 by one of his grandsons.
> Recently I was able to confirm the names of his parents
> (MARIA ENCARNACIÓN SEPEDA & DOMINGO NAVARRO) by finding
> baptism records of his chidren from northen Coahuila. I
> still have to find out whether the names of his grandparets
> (FERNANDA SARAVIA & JOSÉ MARÍA NAVARRO and RAFAEL
> SEPEDA & ROSA SAUCEDO) are aso correct or not. I am
> trying to find a marriage or baptism record for Victoriano
> himself (hoping to find the names of his grandparents), then
> I would like to try to find the same for his parents, and
> only then I could make sure whether the records you mention
> do correspond or not to my ancestors. The only source of
> information regarding Victoriano's Ocotlán origin is a
> book regarding the Madero famiy genealogy written by Carlos
> B Madero, the youngest brother of President Fco. Madero. I
> wonder if he was actually from some other town in Jalisco.
> I know Victoriano was born about 1808, but I went to the
> IGI Indices of bapisms from Ocotlán around 1808 (found in
> this webpage) and I could not find his name. Do you or
> somebody else knows if these indices contain ALL the names
> included in the microfilms? Should I bother looking for his
> baptism record in these microfms if his name does not appear
> in the IGI indices?
> Thanks again fo the information.
> Warmest regards,
> Victoriano Navarro
Luis Alvarado and Beatriz Lopez de Elisalde had daughters Maria Lopes de Elisalde and Josepha de Alvarado (and at least one other, Antonia Lopes de Alvarado).
Maria Lopes de Elisalde married Thomas Macias on 13 Sep 1659, in Aguascalientes.
Josepha de Alvarado married Nicolas Macias on 21 Feb 1662, in Aguascalientes.
Does anyone have information on Thomas Macias and Nicolas Macias?
George Fulton
Sunday, March 15, 2009
Dear Victoriano--
I checked one of my sources and found the following:
Joseph Maria NABARRO married
16 Jun 1766 in Ocotlan to
Fernanda Josepha SANABRIA
Their children appear to be:
Joseph Bernardino Senicio NAVARRO born
10 Jun 1767 in Ocotlan
Jop. Antto. Mathias NABARRO born
6 Mar 1771 in Ocotlan
Could these be yours? I could not get anywhere with your other names. Sorry.
Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
in San Diego, Ca.
--- On Sat, 3/14/09, victorianonavarro wrote:
> From: victorianonavarro
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Celtic and Spain
> To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 10:44 PM
> Hi all,
> I descend from the NAVARRO family from Coahuila, altough
> according to one source my great grandfather VICTORIANO
> NAVARRO came from OCOTLÁN, JALISCO (born about 1808; son of
> MARIA ENCARNACIÓN SEPEDA & DOMINGO NAVARRO; greatson of
> FERNANDA SARAVIA & JOSÉ MARÍA NAVARRO and of RAFAEL
> SEPEDA & ROSA SAUCEDO), however so far I have not
> confimed this Jalisco connection with any other documents.
> If anybody has any furhter information please let me know, I
> would really appreciate it. I got the Y-DNA test from
> NatGeo/FamilytreeDNA and we belong to the R1b1b2 Haplogroup.
> The FamilytreeDNA page has an "Ancestral Origins"
> section where they compare one's results to their
> database. According to therm:
> -Percentages above 2% are considered significant indicators
> of your family’s origins. -Percentages above 4% may be
> interpreted as highly significant indicators of your
> family’s origins.
> I don't have any matches on 25, 37 or 64 markers, but I
> have some on 12 markers (exact and one-step mutation
> results).
> On 12 markers, exact matches, none of them is above 0.1%,
> but on one-step mutations the highest % matches I have are
> 2% matches with the database from NORTHEN IRELAND (10 out of
> 493); compared to the database from IRELAND I only have 1%
> matches (103 out of 10,051).
> My results can be found at Gary Felix's Mexican DNA
> webpage and at Ysearch. There you can find other results
> from NAVARRO families fron JALISCO which are also R1b1b2 but
> that do not match each other nor my own. I was also
> remembering some Spaniards from Irish origin. The last
> Viceroy of New Spain was JUAN O'DONOJÚ and one of the
> leaders of Chile's Independence War was BERNANRDO
> O'HIGGINS.
> Warmest regards,
> Victoriano Navarro
I'm afraid I made an error and would like to apologize for any inconvenience it causes anyone on this site. My grandchildren wanted me on Facebook but apparently I let it access my address book and noticed it's sending out all kinds of junk and I'm not sure yet how to end the error part. Please delete anything it sends you from Facebook from me.. I DID NOT SEND IT!
again, my apology.
a very frustrated Linda in Everett
IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
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ANTONIO JUSTO VALLEJO Pedigree
Male Family
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Event(s):
Birth:
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Death: 11 MAY 1789
Burial:
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Parents:
Father: LUCAS VALLEJO Family
Mother: TOMASA HERRERA
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Marriages:
Spouse: MARIA FELICIANA ALVAREZ-TOSTADO Family
Marriage: 14 JUN 1754 Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, Mexico
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4. Luis Alvarado and Beatriz Lopez de Elisalde (gpf13)
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From: jose maria vallejo mercado
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Canadas de Obregon
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Hola a todos, mi nombre es Jos? Mar?a Vallejo Mercado, originario de Jalostotitl?n, Jal.
Desconozco o por que raz?n se maneja como Villa de Jerez, a Villa Obreg?n,Jal. ya que no tiene ning?n fundamento, siendo hasta por el a?o de 1903, siempre estuvo perteneciente a Jalostotitl?n, Jal.
Desde un principio fu? asentamiento de Criollos, ( descendientes de espa?oles nacidos en M?xico) y no tiene historia prehispanica.
Adem?s que la Villa de Jerez, ( considero que es la Actual Jerez, Zacatecas, ubicado cerca de Zacatecas, Zac.
Siendo que el primer censo que se realiz? en lo que hoy es Ca?adas de Obreg?n, fu? en el a?o de 1731, que se le nombraba San Bartolome de las Ca?adas, y en ese censo incluian a 3 familias las fundadoras y una era la Formada por:
1-. Ascencio G?mez casado con Leonor Franco y 3 hijos JUan, Antonio y Manuel G?mez Franco.
2-. Juan Antonio Franco casado co Juana G?mez.
3-. Lucas Vallejo casado con Thomasa de Herrera, y 3 hijos: Micaela, Geronimo y Mar?a de Jes?s. ( Geronimo Vallejo es el abuelo del General Mariano Guadalupe Vallejo, que naci? en Califonia el 4 de Julio de 1807, y en honor a el le pusieron a la Ciudad de Vallejo, en California.)
Se le daba el nombre de Villa a un poblado peque?o, haciendo referencia a Villorio, y por el Obreg?n se debe en honor al General Alvaro Obreg?n que fue General en tiempos de la Revoluci?n Mexicana, adem?s fue Presidente de M?xico por el a?o de 1920 al 1924.
Cuando fu? fundado o creado Villa Obreg?n, antes de esta denominaci?n se le llamo San Bartolome de las Ca?adas.
En el a?o de 1880, pertenecian a la Villa de Jalostotitl?n, 6 pueblos y 12 Haciendas y son los siguinetes:
1-. Villa Obreg?n, hoy Ca?adas de Obregon.
2-. Temacapulin, mejor conocido como Temaca.
3-. Teocaltitan, ahora Delegaci?n de Jalostotitl?n, y ahora es Teocaltitan de Guadalupe.
4-. Tacintla, ahora Delegaci?n de Jalostotitl?n, y ahora se llama San Gaspar de los Reyes, Jal.
5-. San Nicolas, ahora Delegaci?n de Jalostotitl?n, y se llama San Nicolas de las Flores, Jal.
6-. Mitic, ahora es solo rancho; que en el a?o de 1571 se fundo ah? la Parroquia de los Tecuexes, que despues paso a la parroquia de Jalostotitl?n, Jal. ( Hoy Parroquia de la Asunci?n, en Jalostotitl?n, Jal.
Haciendas:
1-. La Llave, se encuentra actualmente en Municipio del Valle de Guadalupe.
2-. Venta de Pegueros, actualmente es Delegaci?n de Tepatitl?n, Conocido como Pegueros.
3-. La Laja, pertenece a Jalostotitl?n, Jal.
4-. Potrero, igual a la anterior.
5-. Las Tablas, igual a la anterior.
6-. San Antonio, igual a la anterior.
7-. Labor de Abalza, igual a la anterior.
8-. Salto.
9-. Los Yugos, pertenece actualmente al municipio de Ca?adas de Obregon, Jal.
10-. Del H?medo, pertenece a Ca?adas de Obregon, Jal.
Well I finally had my mtDNA performed and received the results today. I can now join Gary Felix's site for the mtDNA, Amerind project. My Haplogroup is A which arose about 50,000 years ago in Central Asia. Haplogroup A was first found among the aboriginal American population. It is one of the five mitochondrial lineages found in aboriginal Americans in North and South America. I guess thanks to my mother and my mother's mother's mothers, I am truly an American.
Now that I've had myself tested, I'll have one of my brothers submit a sample for YDNA and mtDNA and wait to see what the results are.
As the woman on the Comcast commercial says when she's running after the gentleman who's jogging on the track, and she approaches him in her heels and suit to share with him her great deal with Comcast and in conclusion she says, "I'm pumped" ................that's how I feel now...........I'm pumped and excited about my Native American ancestry.
There were no high resolution matches to date, only low resolution matches, two from Mexico, one from the USA and one from England.
I'm afraid I still don't know how to interpret the table with the HVR1 differences from CRS. If anyone has any wisdom to share with respect to DNA testing results and how to read or interpret the findings or knows of literature other than what's on the website that is comprehensive, I would appreciate your assistance.
Alicia
Greetings Robert,
Very interesting stuff, indeed. As it turns out, my mother's maternal Santelices and paternal Onate sides are both Basque. Santelices being Basque was a recent discovery, whereas Onate is well known. About 20 years ago I visited Onate in the Basque region of Spain and was blown away as to the total separation they feel with Spain. They don't claim to be Spanish, they told my mother and myself on various occasions that we were not Spanish, but of the "pais Vasco". In the town of Onate, all public signs, announcements, TV, and radio are in Basque. Basque is totally different and not at all understandable from Spanish. Many words were extremely long and appeared like German! Though all the Basque spoke Spanish, they chose not to speak it amongst themselves, but were kind enough to converse with us in Spanish. The occasional Spanish words used in their conversation were those referring to the government or products from central Spain. I keep a Basque radio station on my c
omputer to listen to from time to time. Really unique! It was a terrific trip I'll never forget. Alice BB
--- gandalf3.1@netzero.com wrote:
From: El Peregrino
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Celtic and Spain
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:13:42 -0700 (PDT)
Good stuff Maureen, the Irish \ Iberian connection goes back even farther than that. Have you ever heard of the "Irish Book of Invasions" ? In it , the decendants of a mythical figure named "Mil Espanie" ( the Spanish Soldier) conquer and settle Ireland by way of Spain, they were the Gaels. Even the ancient names of the countries are similar "Iberia" and "Hibernia" . The Scots also have a similar myth in which their ancestors "dwelt among savage tribes in Spain" before coming to Scotland. Genetic evidence bears some of this out as the western Irish and some Spaniards \ Basques are identical in DNA. The connections have been going on for eons, as well as the connection between Wales and Cornwall and Spain. The Roman historian Tacitus said that the Silures, a tribe in what is now Wales, had " swarthy skin and dark curly hair" like the native Spaniards. Funny thing is that the ancient Irish, British and Welsh never referred to them selves as "Celts" in antiquity, not did the Ro
mans call them Celts, that was reserved for the Gauls and Galatians. The term Celt is a product of the 17th century when the people of the British Isles sought to differentiate them selves from one another. Early on it was a derogatory term used by Anglo\ Saxon peoples to seprate who they were from the Irish and Welsh. Barry Cunliffe wrote a wonderful book called " Facing the Ocean: the Atalantic and It's Peoples" where he delves into who the Celts actually were and who were not, but had what would be called a "Celtic Culture" in terms of liguistics and tools. I know the ancient Romans said that there was a Celtic presence in Spain, but even then there was so many different ethnic groups it's hard to say who really was Celtic. The Cantabrianss were thought to be Ligurians, then we have the shadowy Iberians in the south and east, we have the Lusitani in the far west who had a celtic culture, but were probably a mixture of Ibrians and early Indo Europeans, then the Basques w
ho no one can figure out, add to all that Phoenicians, Greeks, Celts, North Africans, Romans and we haven't even gotten to the Germanic tribes and all those the Moors brought along with them (Slavs,Persians,Syrians, Sub Saharan Africans).....what a melting pot !
I just finished reading an article some of you may find of interest: "The Genetic Legacy of Religious Diversity and Intolerance: Paternal Lineages of Christians, Jews, and Muslims in the Iberian Peninsula" by Susan M. Adams, et al, in the Dec. 12, 2008 issue of The American Journal of Human Genetics, Vol. 83, pp 725-736. I don't pretend to understand all of it, but grasped enough to feel the reading worthwhile. I had to get the assistance of someone with access to a medical library to get it, but you all may have your own resources.
I was curious to know a little more about the oft-mentioned Santo Toribio Romo Gonzales, and came across this site (which many of you have probably seen):
http://www.stspeterandpaul-tulsa.org/SaintToribioShrine/tabid/59/langua…
also: http://www.flickr.com/photos/29363538@N02/sets/72157606613243192/
there are many more sites - google santo toribio romo or saint toribio romo; read entries with care as there is more than one Saint Toribio in the Catholic Church that will pop up.
ncc
Daniel, I have Juana Gertrudis's surname as MARTIN, not MARIN, as taken from her son Miguel's marriage. I don't have a copy so can't verify this.
Her surname may also be MARTINES?
!MARRIAGE: #299827, notes only
11 Apr 1750, Aguascalientes
En la capilla de la Hazienda del Sr. San Joseph de Guadalupe
en Los Muñoses, feligresia de esta Villa de Aguascalientes
Miguel DIAS DE SANDI,
español originario y vezino del Partido de Theocaltiche
hijo legitimo de Sebastian DIAS DE SANDI
y Juana Gertrudis MARTIN
con
Maria Catharina GONZALES DE HERMOSILLO, española
originaria y vecina de esta en los Tiscareños
hija legitima de Joseph GONZALES DE HERMOSILLO
y Josepha XIMENES, difunta
PADRINOS: Francisco TISCAREÑO y Rita PADILLA
9v
Hope this helps.
Gloria
---does anyone know anything on Sebasti?n D?az de Sandi's wife Juana Gertrudis Mar?n, they should have married ca. 1712. They had at least Sebasti?n Onofr? 1713 and Miguel 1717------
Hello, does anyone know anything on Sebastián Díaz de Sandi's wife Juana Gertrudis Marín, they should have married ca. 1712. They had at least Sebastián Onofré 1713 and Miguel 1717. Sebastián (I) parent's are Diego Díaz y Montáñez and Jacinta Carillo de Sandi.
Also on this couple, does anyone know the genealogy of Bernardo GOnzález de Munguía abt 1665 who married Elvira Carillo de Sandi abt 1670? or Sebastián Delgado who married Inés López AKA Inés de Gallardo all in aguascalientes or Los Altos de Jalisco. Many Thanks! -Daniel del Camino
Sheri,Somos primos! Please contact me at dexaime@excite.com. I have the JAIME lineage going back to the 1600s and Donacia PEDROZA ROMO'S pedigree (2 generations). I also have the descendants of Lasaro MORA which eventually run into our lineage. However, I couldn't find a Tomas MORA.Luis-----Original Message-----From: "Sherri Mora" [kanakalele@aol.com]Date: 03/10/2009 02:42 AMTo: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.orgSubject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sabina Jaime and Narciso Mora Dear Victor: I joined this group one week ago hoping to find information regarding Sabina Jaime/Jayme. I started researching my family history just 2 months ago and have hit quite a roadblock with Sabina, my paternal great grandmother. My grandfather was Jesus Mora, brother to Maria de la Luz. I will share with you the information that I think is linked to her and some questions/theories to explain the difficulty we are having. First, I have found the same information in regards to her baptism, marriage,
immigration and death all inconsistent. Frustrating! -I have found birth years ranging from 1868 to 1878. From speaking with those familiar with the customs at the time and place, it would not be unusual to marry at 14, 15 or 16. I've wondered if it is possible that she changed her birth year when she came to the US since this was not the custom there. Somewhere in my notes I have her "from Santa Maria" of which there are many in that area of Aguascalientes. -I found that she had 1 sister, Norberta Jaime (1848). Both have Refugio Jaime and Donaciana Pedroza as parents. I would like to talk to someone familiar with the traditions and culture during that time. I know in the Jewish culture if one is near death they have a renaming ceremony to "trick" the angel of death. Perhaps there is something similar in Mexico and Sabina was raised by someone other than her parents after a tragedy (that maybe took their life?) and she was "rebaptized" and renamed? -In the 1970's wh
en my grandparents were still alive, my aunt did our family tree. So according to oral history she lists Sabina's parents as Lasaro Nunez and Teresa Lopez with a note "Raised by Refugio Jaime" The way it is written I'm not sure if Sabina or Lasaro was raised by Refugio. I asked people that were born in Mexico and they said that it would not be unusual for one to take the surname of the person who raised them. I will see the aunt who made this tree in about 2 weeks so I will ask her about this and any other questions we come up with. I have searched and searched for Sabina under Jaime/Jayme/Nunez/Lopez/Pedroza/Muniz/Munis/Munos and have come up empty. Also, one record attached to her lists her as Ma. Sabina Jaime which is not unusual. -Maybe one us can request and actually view the film that the marriage information comes from. I have found many typos while searching the familysearch.org site. When I view the actual film, I can see sometimes why a typo was made. P
erhaps "Muniz is Nunez?" -I have spent many hours pouring over films and in the church records from Mexico, Mora appears over and over. Tomas Mora married a Moran so I think that was not a change by border patrol. -My cousins mother told her stories about Sabina. She taught her mother about herbal medicine and natural healing. She recalls that it was mentioned that Sabina had a very dark complexion and perhaps was whole or part Indian. I think some churches had separate records for Indian baptisms. These are the things that have kept me intrigued. Maybe together we can put the pieces of her puzzle togehter. I am also interested in finding out when Narciso's family came from Spain. Half of my aunts and uncles were fair with light hair and light eyes, the other half were darker with dark hair and eyes. Family stories say this is because of Spanish in our line. Let's figure this out. Sherri Mora -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing
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For Rick Ricci and others researching MARTINEZ CALVILLO
First let me correct the list of children for Juan MARTINES CALBILLO and Josepha AGUILERA De Sandi given in my previous posting:
Anttonia, c. 1671, is not their child, she was the daughter of Ygnasio MARTINEZ CALVILLO and Juana SOTELO de Jaen.
And yes Cristobal RUIZ ESPARZA Lozano is the son of Bernardo RE and Catalina LOZANO. [thank you Bill Figueroa for both facts].
I don’t know anything about Vicente MARTINEZ CALVILLO or Da. Geronima XIMENEZ de Alvarado.
Re Jose Sotero CALVILLO or MARTINEZ CALVILLO:
I have the following two notes, which may be about him:
--a Sotero CALVILLO was a testigo to the marriage of Jose Maria MACIAS Calvillo and Anna Maria DIAS Medina, Jun 1791.
--Entry copied by my father from a genealogical dictionary by Fernando Muñoz Altea, in Mexico, in the 60’s or 70’s, I can’t find name of dictionary: “Entre los insurgentes que lucharon por la Independencia de Mexico se encuentran los hermanos don José Pablo y don Sotero CALVILLO, vicario el primero de ellos de Colotlán, Jal., anteriormente cura de Huajacar [sic], donde al parecer naciera, población que hoy lleva el nombre de Villa de Calvillo."
Back to Phelipe Judas MARTINES CALVILLO:
Here’s his baptism, from a rather botched extraction:
BAPTISM: #226647B, IGI on line
Phelipe Judas MARTINES
hijo de Eugenio CULUILLO Martines
y Donagimudes RUISO
C042746, no dates
NOTE: parents are
Eugenio MARTINES-CALBIYO
y doña Gertrudes RUIS-ESPARSA
And here’s his Marriage Dispensation: He was age 20, not 24.
!MARRIAGE DISPENSATION:
Aguas. Aguas. 24 Nov 1729
Exp 99. Dispensa de cuarto grado de consanguinidad.
Phelipe CALVILLO, español de 24 años
hl de Eugenio CALVILLO, difunto
y Gertrudis RUIZ DE ESPARZA
originario y vecino de esta villa
con
Theresa MUNOZ de HERMOSILLO, española de 22 años
originaria y vecina de esta feligresía
hl de Andres MUNOZ, ya difunto
y Lorenza de TISCAREÑO
Declaracion del pretenso: Por ser la dicha Gertrudis RUIZ DE ESPARZA, mi madre y la referida Lorenza de TISCAREÑO, madre de la dicha mi pretensa, primas segundas, hijas de dos primos hermanos que lo fueron mi abuelo Cristobal RUIZ DE ESPARZA y Juan de TISCAREÑO, abuelo de la pretensa, y estos dos fueron hijos de dos hermanos que lo fueron Bernardo RUIZ DE DESPARZA, mi bisabuelo y Lorenza RUIZ DE ESPARZA, bisabuela de mi pretensa. Se otorgó la dispensa en al Villa de Aguascalientes, en 27 de noviembre de 1728. 16 fojas
Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara, Rollo
167996 OAH 2357 pt. 2, Matrimonios
Hojas Sueltas, 1728, 24 de noviembre
de 1728
And his death:
!DEATH: #299861, LDS Pilot Site
Felipe CALBILLO
hijo de Eugenio CALBILLO
y Gertrudis ESPARSA
wife Teresa GONZALES de HERMOSILLO
Burial Aguascalientes, Ags.
B0399355, also B038637
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Do you have the documents for his father Eugenio MARTINES CALVILLO’s baptism and marriage? If not I will be requesting them in about a week, and can send you copies when they arrive from the LDS. Send me your mailing address in a private email if you want copies. Thank you.
Gloria
Víctor,
No puedo ayudar con tus preguntas. Sin embargo, hice unas rápidas búsquedas. Descubrí que parece haber información de uno de tu bisabuelos en un microfilm, #1155497. Ese microfilm está a mi alcance en la biblioteca que yo visito los martes y miércoles. Posiblemente ya tienes esos datos pero si quieres puedo enviar una copia. Se trata del matrimonio siguiente:
LEANDRO MORA, Spouse: MERCED VILLALOBOS
Marriage: 07 MAY 1817 La Encarnación, Encarnación De Díaz, Jalisco, México
M602693, 1778-1830, 1155497 IGI
Saqué ese matrimonio del informe siguiente:
Tomas Mora, Marriage: 17 APR 1861 Encarnación De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
Father: Leandro Mora, Mother: Merced Villalobos
Spouse: Maria Salomé Morán, Father: Anastacio Morán, Mother: Gerónima Chavez, M602695, 1857-1876, 1155499 IGI
En el caso que tengas otros datos de los hijos Mora Morán:
JULIAN MORA MORAN
Christening: 05 AUG 1866 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: TOMAS MORA, Mother: SALOME MORAN
C607006, 1866-1868, 1155476 IGI
NARCISO MORA MORAN
Christening: 01 NOV 1867 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: TOMAS MORA, Mother: MARIA SALOME MORAN
C607006, 1866-1868, 1155476 IGI
RAFAEL MORA MORAN
Christening: 07 NOV 1869 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: TOMAS MORA, Mother: SALOME MORAN
C607007, 1869-1873, 1155477 IGI
LUIZA MORA MORAN
Christening: 15 OCT 1871 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: TOMAS MORA, Mother: SALOME MORAN
C607007, 1869-1873, 1155477 IGI
PRIMITIVO MORA MORAN
Christening: 30 NOV 1873 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: TOMAS MORA, Mother: MARIA SALOME MORAN
C607007, 1869-1873, 1155477 IGI
Además encontré los siguientes pero no a Martínez Frausto. ¿Es posible que tus ancestros se conocieron como Martín Fraustos en aquellos tiempos?
NESTOR MARTIN FRAUSTOS
Christening: 03 MAR 1867 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: Antonio Martin, Mother: Maria Matilde Fraustos
C607006, 1866-1869, 1155476 IGI
TEODORA MARTIN FRAUSTOS
Christening: 08 APR 1854 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mex
Father: ANTONIO MARTIN, Mother: MARIA MATA DE FRAUSTOS
K607003, 1851 - 1854, 1155179 IGI
Espero tu respuesta … a ver qué opinas. Hasta más tarde,
David Delgado Lopez en Albany, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: vmom
>Sent: Sep 6, 2008 6:45 PM
>To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bienvenido, Víctor.
>
>
>María Elena:
>
>Te estoy muy agradecido por tus comentarios. Como comprenderás, yo soy un completo neófito, tanto en el terreno de la genealogía como en el manejo de la página Web de Nuestros Ranchos. Te puedo decir que ya hace tiempo que descargué de Family Search el programa PAF, en su versión 5 y he ido vaciando allí mis datos.
>
>En cuanto a mi bisabuelo, don Néstor Martínez Frausto, nació en Encarnación en 1867, hijo de Antonio Martínez y María Matilde Frausto, pero sus padres se casaron en Asientos, Ags., lo mismo que sus abuelos y bisabuelos. Donde empiezan mis grandes dudas es con mis bisabuelos Mora-Jaime. Mi bisabuelo se llamaba Narciso Mora y mi bisabuela Sabina Jaime. Encontré el registro del bautizo de Narciso Mora Morán, nacido también en 1867, hijo de Tomás Mora y de María Salomé Morán.
>
>Yo habría esperado encontrar registro de su matrimonio con Sabina Jaime. Pero lo que encontré fue el registro de su matrimonio con Higinia Muñiz en l887. Esto, desde luego, no descarta que se tratara de mi bisabuelo. En aquellos fines del siglo XIX era bastante común que un hombre se casara y al nacimiento de su primer hijo quedara viudo. Y así, el matrimonio con Sabina Jaime fueran unas segundas nupcias. Pero, para confirmarlo, necesitaría encontrar dos documentos: 1) el registro de la muerte de Higinia Muñíz en los años siguientes, y 2) el registro del matrimonio de Narciso Mora con Sabina Jaime. Ninguno de ellos he podido localizar. En cambio, tengo los registros de los bautizos de algunos de sus hijos, en los años noventa de dicho siglo, donde aparecen Narciso Mora y Sabina Jaime ya como padres.
>
>En fin, existen otros muchos otros elementos a considerar que no puedo incluir aquí para no alargar demasiado esta comunicación. Lo que sí quisiera comentarte es que en los ROLLOS correspondientes a Encarnación de Díaz, dentro de Nuestros Ranchos, faltan los que cubren las fechas que a mí me interesaría consultar.
>
>Un saludo afectuoso,
>Víctor Manuel Ortiz Martínez.
>
Busco archivos parroquiales o registros civiles de Mexticacan Jal. de 1925 a 1935 alguien tiene o sabe donde encontrarlos, estoy en Monterrey y no tengo viaje a mexticacan hasta diciembre, gracias de antemano.
Saludos cordiales
Antonio Santillan
santillan59@hotmail.com
While we are on the subject of books and historians, does anyone know if
there are any books on Yahualica or Cuquio, Jalisco? Or on Nochistlan,
Zac?
Joseph, I'm working on marriage information records and came across this one, not sure it's the right family but thought you might want to see it.
Recorded 10 May 1794 in Jerez
Jose Marcial Roman, Espanol age 38 from San Juan
Parents: Bernardo Roman and Ysabel Ortis both deceased
With: Ygnacia de Orosco, Espanola age 25 from Jerez
Expuesta in the home of Juan Antonio de Orosco and Josefa Sanchez
source: 0439899 Jerez marriage infromation record
I could be wrong on the Marcial, could be Maria?
just thought I'd give you a chance to check it out.. just in case
Linda in Everett
I am trying to find information on Diego Lopes de Nava and Juana Gertrudes Flores.
He was born about 1720/30, probably in Aguascalientes, and married Juana Gertrudes Flores. They had at least one child, Maria Teresa Lopes de Nava, who married Jose Pantaleon Sandoval (date unknown); she died 14 Jul 1786, and was buried at Nuestra Sra. de Guadelupe, Aguascalientes. Jose Pantaleon Sandoval married again in 1787, Maria Ignacia Lopes de Nava (daughter of Jose Eulogio Lopes de Nava and Maria Antonia Romo de Vivar).
Jose Pantaleon Sandoval had children by both wives.
Are Maria Teresa and Maria Ignacia related?
George Fulton
I have a Juan Julián González de Bermejo marrying Gertrudis López de Nava, Gertrudis is listed as Gertrudis López de Nava y Flores de la Torre in her daughters marriage. Her daughter was María Salomé González de Bermejo married 26 apr 1739 in Teocaltiche to Matías Ruiz de Esparza. Any help will be appreciated. -Daniel
I was trying to find any Nava married to a Flores de la Torre around 1675 or so as a lead to start. Does anyone have such a couple?
I reordered my albums and added photos of a Coss Y Leon decendant:Genaro Coss Y Leon Aranda, from Arandas, Jalisco. Although we are from the same ancestor I only have Leon as last name.
go to http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16845 to view my Coss Y Leon album.
Greetings from Leticia Leon
Dear Grupo,
I came across this online: Orden Imperial de Guadalupe Establecida conforme al Decreto de la Junta Soberana Provincial Gubernativa de 20 de Febrero de 1822 confirmada el 11 de Julio del mismo ano. Does anyone know what this refers to? Thanks so much for your help. Alice BB
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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of jose maria vallejo mercado
Sent: Thu 3/5/2009 2:35 PM
To: consulta genealogica; Ricardo Rodríguez Camarena
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] FW: Reunions 2009 -
GRacias por tu atención.
Yo tengo de los hijos de Eligio Romo Jiménez casado con Francisca Gutiérrez González.
Canuto caso con María Concepción Gutiérrez.
Juan casó María Gutiérrez.
Reyes desconozco con quien casó
Irinea casó Pablo Romo
María del Refugio desconozco con quien casó.
Emeterio casó desconozco con quien casó ( pero ya que me dices que era tu tatarabuelo me da gusto saber que tenemos algo en comun, ya que solo sabia que su descendencia vivia en el municipio del Valle de Guadalupe.)
Dionicia casó con Dionicio Gutiérrez.
Por lo anterior me da gusto el tener una linea de parentezco, ( tal vez no te acuerdes de mi pero soy el de Jalos que fuimos contigo un servidor y John González, estuvimos presente en la conferencia con el Lic. Mariano González, tal vez te acuerdes que fuimos a la hacienda del Cuadrado que por cierto no nos dejaron pasar a la hacienda.
Sin más de momento agradezco tu atención y estamos en comunicación.
p. d. un día pase a saludarte y no te encontre, pase con tu papa y le deje mis saludos.
ATTE.
Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows who Caterina, daughter of don Marcos Pedroza and María López de Nava, married? Her daughter was my ancestor's first wife. Juana Izzazi y Martín del Campo or Cuevas. I think her paternal grandparents were Nicolás Martín del Campo and Sebastiana Izzazi y Cuevas, hence the Izzazi y Martín del Campo. Juana was also known as Juana Izzazi y Cuevas. So I KNOW for a fact she descended from the same alteño Izazzi.
-Daniel Méndez del Camino
For Bill Figueroa, re Moran & Martines-Calbillo / Lopes
Bill, I have several questions about the family of Domingo MORAN and his wife Antonia MARTINES-CALBILLO / LOPES. Where does the LOPES come in with Antonia MARTINES-CALBILLO? Are their parents named in their wedding document [4 Aug 1665]?
Did Domingo and Antonia have other children besides Nicolas [wife Andrea ALONSO Ruis-Esparsa] and Juan [wife Lorenza MORAN]?
Thank you in advance for any help you might provide. I'm related to this Martines-Calbillo family through several lines.
Gloria Delgado
Albany, CA