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The Importance of Oral History --- verified as much as possible by genealogical research

As I look at my genealogy I am amazed at the grouping of people who came together supplying their individual DNA to eventually create me. Yes I know about me and my parents and grandparents but beyond that I know very little aside from a few oral history accounts passed down through the generations. And believe me I'm so grateful to my Aunt Julia Puentes de Espinosa who I spoke to every other week for 1.5 hours for two years before she died. Fortunately for me she had a mind that often put me to shame as she remembered stuff that I had forgotten.

I want to know more I want to know about the lives of relatives, about their hopes, dreams and their loved ones. I want to know about the work they did and their lives as children and sweethearts and how they met and married their spouses.

I guess I'm saying that if those of you who have a full head of steam in searching for more and more generations of relatives who you and the rest of your family has never heard of well maybe you should think again about the approach you're taking to family history

After all haven't those genealogical records been there for hundreds of years and won't they be available for a few more? Why not prioritize and ask yourself an important question. What won't be available for hundreds of years. . .well yes it is those relatives of yours that are currently living.

So if one day you decide that you want to add a little more to the genealogy of the family that you one day hope to pass on to your kids and other family members take great care to prioritize your activities now. Think about the oldest members of your family and make appointments to go and speak to them. Take a digital voice recorder and a camera. Ask if it is ok to record the conversation and set the recorder so it will not interfere with the conversation. Ask questions that don't require a lot of thinking about specific dates. A lot of time asking too specific of a question can totally disrupt or even stop a conversation. Rather than asking, "What year did g-grandfather Cecilio die" ask "Were you already marriend when he died, if yes, were any of your children born?" You see if you ask it like that you'll be able to calculate the date from known information and if they are up to the task you'll get a volunteer answer, oh "he died in 1913 in Juarez". Also make more of your questions general in nature and fine tune them as you go. . ."Tell me about what is was like when you went to school as a little girl? then you can ask "and did you and Uncle Felix go to school together?" and "Did grandfather Cipriano ever take you to school" and "after school did you go to abuelita Antonia's house, did you get a snack, did she put you to work, what did she look like?" etc. etc. etc.

Get your older relatives just talking about the old days and you'll be surprised how much they know, just let them go and they will give you all kinds of details.

So set aside the documents and interview your relatives.

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Ok here is my real question but Oral History was the first and foremost answer to my question.

"Other than oral history what are the best places to find out more information about your relatives?"

Please add your thoughts to this list and give me your ideas of where a person can find some of the following for their locations in Jalisco, Zacatedcas, and Aguascalientes:

1) Old newspapers
2) Wills and Testaments
3) Land and Property Deed Records
4) Court Records
5) Military Records
6) Civil and Religious Organizations
7) ?
8) ?
9) ?

email the list or email me at joseph@nuestrosranchos.org

joseph

Marriage and baptism records clearly show that Teresa Caldera (1697-1731) was the daughter of Nicolas Caldera and Leonor Rodarte (daughter of Mateo Rodarte and Leonor de los Reyes). However, I am a bit confused with respect to Teresa Caldera's husband, Antonio Rodarte.

I have viewed the marriage record of Antonio and Teresa dated Oct 1723. While it states clearly that Antonio is the son of Juan Rodarte, the mothers name is difficult to read, but appears to be Ysabel. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15088-8854-31?cc=1410092&wc=…

I have also located records showing that Antonio remarried following the death of Teresa. The Informacion Matrimonial completed in 1736 clearly states he is the son of Juan Rodarte and Ysabel de Avila. Included is documentation of Teresa's death confirming his eligibility to remarry and leaving no doubt as to his identity.
The document can be viewed here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15272-48199-8?cc=1410092&wc=…

While I can show that Juan is the legitimate son of Mateo Rodarte and Leonor de los Reyes, I have not personally seen any conclusive documentation showing that Leonor is the daughter of Mateo Rodarte and Leonor de los Reyes. My only source has been research performed by others with no clear citations. The relationships are shown here: http://jerezzacatecas-salvador.blogspot.com/2009/02/descendientes-de-ma…

Based on this, Antonio and Teresa would have been first cousins since Juan Rodarte and Leonor are brother and sister. While Antonio and Teresa could legally marry, it is my understanding that such a union would require dispensation from the church.

Just wondering if anyone can help me clarify the relationships.

Hello Joseph, I hope you had a wonderful Holiday Season. I read about the
Trastamara. As you know, I'm new at genealogy and was wondering do you think
this would be too advanced for me? Should I take another class before to
prepare. I can read and write Spanish but from my short experience...I still
have a lot to learn about genealogy, research and especially reading the
documents.
I'd appreciate any suggestion you have. Have a good evening.

Ann M. Gutierrez

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From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wed, January 16, 2013 8:20:45 PM
Subject: [NuestrosRanchos] FW: 31616 Nuevonúm. revista "Trastámara"

From Welester:

Subject: 31616 Nuevonúm. revista "Trastámara"
http://www.everyoneweb.es/trastamara , en pdf
http://www.everyoneweb.es/trastamara

Howdy again Joseph,

Here is a page that will teach you how to read old documents . If anyone is
iinterested, again its only in spanish .

Take care,
Welester
http://www.revistacodice.es/actividades/cursos_programados.htm

Ya estándisponibleslosartículos en pdfdelúltimonúmerode la revista
"Trastámara" (nº 10), correspondiente a julio-diciembre 2012. Entrelos
contenidosdeestenuevonúmeroseencuentrantrabajosrelacionados con la
Genealogía, las Fuentes Documentales, la Iconografía, etc.

Todoello en la web de la revista: http://www.everyoneweb.es/trastamara

I have uploaded the test result match names from my husband's FF Test to my Member Genealogies Files Folder - Corbera, Pat Silva...

Pat

p.s. Thank you Joseph !

I would like to suggest that we not post lists of our FF matches via
Nuestros Ranchos but share them privately via email instead. Posting on NR
puts the lists on the internet. I believe customers of FF give permission
for FTDNA to share their names with their matches but may not be expecting
them to be shared with the whole world via the internet. I hope all of you
agree.

Raquel Ruiz

Hi everyone

Is is just me or are there some recent posts missing from the recent posts list? How can it hop from today's posts to posts a year ago on one page?

When I click on "My recent posts" there are none there....

Is this a new technical issue?

Regards
Denise

Below is a listing of the individuals that appear on Florentino L Corbera's FamilyFinder autosomal test result print-out... We're now up to 40 names from the original print out of 38.

The *** next to a name indicates that contact has been made and kinship has been established.

If your name or that of an ancestor/relative appears on this listing, please feel free in contacting me so that we can compare research and be on our way to establishing our common ancestor linking.

Pat Silva Corbera
patriciacorbera@comcast.net

Lew Jenkins
Ruben E. Marentes
Mr. Felix Aguirre
***Mr. Saul A. Navarro Sr.
Mr. Joseph Paul Padilla Sr.
***Mrs. Maria Engracia Aguayo
Mr. Erik Molina
C.Archuleta
Mr. Waldo Perez
Jorge Campos
Linda Marie (Gonzales) Hernandez
Jose G. Orozco
Rosa Adamo
Mr. Felix Andres Bravo
Maria Teresa Venegas-Glick
Ms. Angelina Torres
Mr. Efren Molina Rodriguez
Hilda Garza Scott
Mrs. Amalia Esther Pinon
Mr. Kurt Baca
Mr. Richard Arias
Mr. Rodrigo Amerlinck
Gregory Lopez
Ms. Linda Reiss
Ms. Virginia B. Santos
Stella Trevino
Mrs. Jennifer Michelle Arnold
Sergio Villegas
Mr. Nicolas Cuellar
Mrs. Julia Palos
Mr. Roger Francis Gonzalez
Mr. Jose Maria Reynoso
Rita N. Wilson
Joseph S. Perez
Mr. Mark Anthony Villagomez
Guillermo Campos
Amalia Moriel
Mrs. Mary Morones
Mr. Humberto Valentin delaVega

I'm having so much trouble with this ancestor Jose Maria Ulloa.This individual was from la Estancia De Los Delgadillos his wife in which i descend from is Felipa Ruiz.I cannot at all find nothing on these two individuals well except for Jose Maria Ulloa baptism record which i some how doubt thats really him it mentions that he we was from La Estancia?Down below is the record

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15089-24268-39?cc=1410092&wc…

I also found a marriage doc. of a Jose Maria Ulloa again not sure if that is him?in this marriage he marries a woman by the name of Maria Ruano.Could ?Also in that marriage doc it mentions that he was from La Estancia?
Appreciated a lot if someone can help thanks=]

I'm trying to find more information about the family of my great
grandfather. His name was Teodoro Alba. Most of the information we have
about his origins come from stories passed down from him to his children, so
they should be regarded as more legend than fact. This includes that he was
born in or near Guadalajara around 1856 or 1857. His father, whose surname
was Alba, had stowed away on a ship from Spain to Mexico. His mother's
surname was Gonzales and she was of Mayan descent. He had several siblings,
but we don't know their names. At some point the father left and returned to
Spain. Teodoro joined the Mexican army while still a teenager, deserted and
crossed into Texas sometime between 1875 and 1880. There he became an
accomplished cowboy. He gradually adapted the American spelling of Alby.

He married Mary Ellen Marks in Bonham, Texas on October 8, 1891. They had 7
children, 4 of whom lived. His wife Mary Ellen died shortly after 1910.
Around 1920, he and his children settled in Bixby, Oklahoma where they came
to own several businesses. He was affectionately known to everyone in this
small town as "Dad" Alby. His citizenship paper in 1938 describes him as 81
years of age; a white male of medium complexion; blue eyes; grey hair; five
feet, three inches in height and widowed. He died in Bixby on December 18,
1943.

Some in the family believe was actually born in San Juan de los Lagos. I
have found a birth record for a Teodoro Alva Terrones born on April 2, 1857
in that location.

Any leads would be appreciated.

scompton

I never thought Family Finder was going to be able to go back 10
generations or so. I have found three different people through Family
Finder with whom I share a different ancestor about 10 generations back.
WIth one person I share ancestors on the Macias Valadez and Martín del
Campo lines. With another person I share ancestors on the
Cervantes-Villaseñor and Macias Valadez lines. With the third person we
share Diego de Burgos Villaseñor y Tovar as an ancestor. There are a couple
more that if I had their great-grandparents info I would most likely be
able to find our common ancestor. If enough people did this then we could
triangulate and figure out which markers are for which ancestor and at the
same time some missing branches could be found for some people. I recommend
everyone, even siblings, parents, and aunts/uncles to take this test and to
look closely at their matches no matter how distant the match seems to be.

Nunca pensé que pudiera encontrar parientes separados por 10 generaciones o
mas usando Family Finder. He encontrado tres parientes por medio de Family
Finder con quienes tenemos un ancestro en común hace 10 generaciones, mas o
menos. Con una persona coincidimos con ancestros por las lineas Macias
Valadez y Martín del Campo. Con otra persona coincidimos con ancestros del
apellido Cervantes-Villaseñor y otros del apellido Macias Valadez. Con otra
persona coincidimos con Diego de Burgos Villaseñor y Tovar como ancestro.
Si tuviera los bisabuelos de muchas otras personas seguramente podría
encontrar el ancestro que tenemos en común. Recomiendo que todos los
miembros (sus hermanos, padres, y tíos también) hagan este análisis de ADN
para completar lineas y para ayudar a otros que no han podido completar sus
lineas.

https://www.familytreedna.com/order-now.aspx?ty=1334&Group=Mexico-DNA&c…

Saludos
Armando

Hola a todos los del grupo:

Quisiera saber si alguien sabe algo del apellido compuesto
Díaz-Santana, ya que tengo unos tios primos de mi madre que
tienen ese apellido, y quisiera saber mas de el mismo.
Segun me cuentan mis tios, su padre y abuelo son del
pueblo de San Gabriel, Jalisco.

Ellos me dicen que al parecer el que cambio su apellido
original, que al parecer era Gonzalez, por el Díaz-Santana era
miembro del ejercito, no se a que grado llego, y peleo en tiempo
y al lado del famoso heroe-villano Gral. Antonio López de Santana
y que se sentia orgulloso de esos dias en que peleo al lado de su
heroe y en honor a esos gloriosos dias para él,cambio su apellido
para recordarlo siempre y que es algo asi como: "En recuerdo de
los Gloriosos Dias de combate al lado de Santana" = "Los Diaz
con Santana" = "Díaz-Santana", por lo que ese apellido es de
los llamados "apellido joven" o "apellido de nueva creacion", y
solo data de mediados de 1800 a la fecha.

Espero alguien pueda proporcionarme mas datos del apellido.

--
Saludos desde Guadalajara:

Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez

Hola compañeros de foro, me gustaría saber si alguien de ustedes tiene conocimiento de si existe algún libro parroquial en Teocaltiche en donde se asientes las partidas de matrimonio ocurridas en los años de 1700 a 1720. Nunca he estado en la parroquia para poder revisar si existen dichos registros, pero en los que están en linea en www.familysearch.org no se encuentra dicho libro y necesito buscar algunos matrimonios que pudieron haber sido registrados en esas fechas en Teocaltiche. De antemano les agradezco lo que me puedan aportar y orientar.

https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/es/Censo_de_1773

I don't know how but I erased the year of this marriage dispensation record and can't remember how I got into them, can someone share the link?
thank you.. Linda Castanon-Long

.
marriage dispensation from la Sagrada Mitra 8 Sept 17 in Jerez, Zac
Joseph Ballejo Espanol from Mexico City now in Jerez
parents: Don Geronimo Ballejo and Dona Lucia Villanueba
widower of Melchora Riveros? in Zacatecas City
with: Maria Sid Caldera Espanola from Jerez
parents: Pedro Sid Caldera and Juana Rosales
witness Juan Carrillo Espanol from Jerez signed document
witness Nicolas Arias Espanol signed the document
witness Diego de Avila Espanol
witness Miguel Garcia Billarino Espanol signed document
witness Catalina Abila Espanola signed document
dispensation 2nd degree in 3rd degree
source: Sagrada Mitra dispensation 168605
page 179

Hi everyone,

I was looking at a number of pictures of the ex-haciendas of Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico in a picture album of photos.

My family is from Huejuquilla, a nearby village along with the ranchos.

I was impressed with the pictures of the haciendas and did not realize how much of a history we had in our region back in the colonial days.

I wonder what it must have it looked like in our region with the haciendas in their full glory.

I saw an article in the online Zacatecas Newspaper about the idea of restoring the haciendas.

Dear Group,
My brother recently tested with Nat Geo Geno 2 and his paternal branch is R-Z198.  I've uploaded the info to FTDNA and it displayed R1b11a2a1a  instead of R-Z198.  Where can I find a site that gives equivilants, allowing me to research on other sites using either of these nomenclatures.  I've googled R-Z198 and there appears to be a lot of opinions, controversy, and uncertainty.    Thank you for any help.   Alice

This sounds like an interesting workshop with Ilan Stavans at the National
Yiddish Book Center in western MA, the weekend of April 19. It is a little
pricey, though. I am unable to consider attending it since I already have
travel plans that conflict.
http://support.yiddishbookcenter.org/site/Calendar/1402210856?view=Deta…

Raquel Ruiz

Bill,

That information helps me tremendously. And, I'm working on tracing Michaela Macías and her parents, Juan de Santiago and María Gertrudis Gómez, right now. I had a question on two of the other names I was researching, Vásquez and Garcia, I was re-reading as best I could the baptism record of Miguel Vásquez: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18688-52080-67?cc=1874591&wc…

And, I'm wondering if I'm reading the names of the grandparents wrong. I thought it said for the paternal grandparents Leonardo Vásquez and Susana Garcia and the maternal grandparents as Sinforiano Garcia and Donaciana Vejar, but I don't show any records of anyone married or the children of anyone with those names?

Christopher

On Jan 10, 2013, at 3:07 PM, research-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org wrote:

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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:02:52 -0600
> From: "Bill Figueroa"
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Calvillo, Mac?as, Ponce, V?squez,
> Garcia
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> Christopher,
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> I just found the "Informaci?n Matrimonial" for Francisco Xavier Calvillo and Mar?a Michaela Mac?as, which include their declarations as well as those of three witnesses who knew them well. It confirms that Francisco Xavier Calvillo was "hijo de padres no conocidos" and that the parents of Mar?a Michaela Mac?as were Juan de Santiago [Mac?as] and Mar?a Gertrudis G?mez. Notice that Francisco Xavier and Mar?a Michaela declared to be 21 and 18 years old respectively, so they were born ca. 1732 and 1735. These dates will help you in your research. The link is as follows:
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> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11707-152264-60?cc=1410092…
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Figueroa
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 11:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]Calvillo, Mac?as, Ponce, V?squez, Garcia
>
> Christopher,
>
> I almost missed your message because you sent it under a different subject line. It is important to use the same subject unless you really intend to change it. Anyway, I used cut-and-paste to add your comments to the thread below.
>
> In answer to your question, I seriously doubt that you'll be able to identify the parents of Francisco Xavier Calvillo. Most of the time "hijo de padres no conocidos" indicates that the person was an adopted child and that he/she is using the surname of the adoptive parents. But don't give up, sometimes adopted children are mentioned in the final will and testament of their adoptive parents or godparents. I've seen many examples of this.
>
> You should have better luck with the ancestors of Mar?a Michaela Mac?as, especially when you consider that her parents are mentioned in her marriage record, i.e. Juan de Santiago Mac?as and Mar?a Gertrudis G?mez, Good luck with your research !!
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: iChristopher94526@yahoo.com
> To: bill_figueroa@usa.net
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 5:50 PM
> Subject: Fwd: Research Digest, Vol 84, Issue 5
>
>
> Wow, thank you very much Mr. Figueroa, I greatly appreciate your assistance. It helps a tremendous amount. Do you think there will ever be a way to determine his parents or do you think that may be the end of the line?
>
>
> Christopher
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Figueroa
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 8:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]Calvillo, Mac?as, Ponce, V?squez, Garcia
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>
> Hello Christopher,
>
> First of all, welcome to the group. I'm sure in this forum you'll find many people with excellent knowledge of genealogy willing to help you. Unfortunately, my research has been focused on the founders and early settlers of Aguascalientes, so I don't have all the information you're looking for. However, I did find the marriage record for Francisco Xavier Calvillo and Mar?a Michaela Mac?as (Matrimonios 1750-1755, Images 134-135 of 246) which mentions who their parents were. The link is
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> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-13033-120401-21?cc=1410092…
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>
> In this record, the parents of Francisco Xavier Calvillo are said to be unknown (hijo de padres no conocidos) which suggests that he may've been an illegitimate child. The parents of Mar?a Michaela Mac?as are listed as Juan de Santiago and Mar?a Gertrudis G?mez. Both Francisco Xavier and Mar?a Michaela are said to be "espa?oles" living in Aguascalientes at the time of their marriage.
>
> I've identified five children for this couple: Joseph Santiago (b.1756), Juan Antonio Esteban (b.1759), Mar?a Francisca Tel?sfora (b.1770), Luisa Antonia (b.1772) and Mar?a Dionisia de los Dolores Calvillo (b.1775). Hope this helps.
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: iChristopher94526@yahoo.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:13 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Calvillo, Mac?as, Ponce, V?squez, Garcia
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> My name is Christopher de Cu?llar and I'm very new to geneaology and very new to the group. I've only been doing geneaology for about a month. My father died when I was very young so I never really knew much about my ancestors. That's probably why I started becoming interested in geneaology. I'm currently in high school and am trying to accomplish as much research during the winter break as possible. Mainly, spending all my free time pulling records I can find on family search. Also, if there's anyone that could assist in occasionally translating records for me, I would really appreciate it. I have dyslexia which really hasn't been a problem for me lately, but for some reason the ancient cursive writing on marriage and baptism records gives me a problem.
>
> I'm currently researching my ancestors the Calvillo, Mac?as and Ponce families from Aguascalientes and the V?squez and Garcia families from Guadalajara, Jalisco. Right now, I'm mainly interested in Francisco Xavier Calvillo that married Mar?a Michaela Mac?as at El Sagrario, Aguascalientes on 24 May 1753 and their ancestors. Also, interested in Gregorio Ponce that married Mar?a Gertrudis Rangel on 6 Feb 1796 and their ancestors.
>
> In Guadalajara, the only record I have for my V?squez ancestor is Miguel Vasquez born 29 Sept 1896 in Guadalajara and baptised on 19 Oct 1896 at Iglesia Parroquial de Jesus, Guadalajara. On his baptism it lists his parents as Cecilio V?squez and Flora Garcia and his paternal grandparents as Leonardo V?squez and Susana Garcia. It lists his maternal grandparents as Sinforiano Garcia and Donaciana Vejar. I'm especially looking for information on them.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance."
>
> Christopher de Cu?llar
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> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:34:59 -0800 (PST)
> From: Alice Blake
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Haplogroups
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> Dear Group,
> My brother?recently tested with Nat Geo Geno 2 and his paternal branch is R-Z198.? I've uploaded the info to FTDNA and it displayed R1b11a2a1a? instead of R-Z198.??Where can I?find a site?that gives?equivilants,?allowing me to?research on other sites using either of these?nomenclatures.??I've googled R-Z198 and?there appears to be a lot of opinions, controversy, and uncertainty.????Thank you for any help.?? Alice
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:04:51 -0600
> From: Juan Aguayo
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Haplogroups
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> Hi Alice,
>
> Go to this website and type in your brother's results:
>
> http://www.hprg.com/hapest5/hapest5b/hapest5.htm
>
> It will only give you the base of his halpogroup.
>
> I'm almost certain FTD DNA has an R1b group, I'm not sure about Nat Geo
> Geno 2, but it's worth investigating. I joined my halpogroup group via
> FTDNA and this group sent me my complete halpo group designation. If you
> can join the R1b group via FTDNA I would do that as I'm sure it would have
> more resources.
>
> Juan
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> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Alice Blake wrote:
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>> Dear Group,
>> My brother recently tested with Nat Geo Geno 2 and his paternal branch is
>> R-Z198. I've uploaded the info to FTDNA and it displayed R1b11a2a1a
>> instead of R-Z198. Where can I find a site that
>> gives equivilants, allowing me to research on other sites using either of
>> these nomenclatures. I've googled R-Z198 and there appears to be a lot of
>> opinions, controversy, and uncertainty. Thank you for any help. Alice

Hola Members/Parientes, I was researching a Luis Antonio Munoz whom I found -born 20 of Feb. 1740 in San Juan de Los Lagos .Bautismos -1737-1745 Image # 179, Born to Juan Joseph Munoz and Maria Ana Ramirez.This Luis Munoz married a Francisca Xaviera Gonzalez 14 of Jan. 1768 in Jalostotitlan-Matrimonios-1748-1768 Image #682.
Another Luis Antonio Munoz I found -
Born 20 of July 1738 in San Juan de los Lagos-Bautismo 1737-1745 Image #84. Son of Manuel Munoz de Nava and Juana Maria Martin del Campo.This Luis Munoz married Maria de La Merced Gutierrez de Mendoza 19 of April 1763 in Jalostotitlan. -matrimonios :1748-1768-Jalostititlan.
The point is in a nut shell ,I went to Geneanet -Javier Sanchez Ruiz --looked under Manuel Munoz de Nava Ramirez de Hermosillo married to Juana Maria Martin del campo and their son Luis Antonio married to Francisca Gonzalez. The matrimonial record shows different ,why would this site show other wise ? This is a error messes up the the info that follows. I wonder if Javier Sanchis Ruiz proof his given info ? Just words of thought.
Ronnie Reynoso

Hello,
I am having some trouble trying to pin-point where my great-grandfather, Tranquilino Rangel, on my mother's side is from. On his WWI Draft Registration Card, it states that he was born on Sept., 6, 1891 in Alida, Mexico.
When I try different search engines, there are no results. But when I use the Ancestry.com map it shows a very rural section of Zacatecas.

Is anyone familiar with this area of the Zacatecas ?

Thank you for any help.

Kristine Wulf

I have been researching my ancestors and I found Teodoro Valdes born in "Estancia de San Nicolas". Does anyone know if this is the same place as the "Estancia de Los Berumen"? The Baptismal Certificate is from 1787 in Tepetongo Zacatecas. I researched on the internet and I seem to find an Estancia de San Nicolas in the Municipio de Valparaiso Zacatecas. On the Jerez Facebook page they have a history of the town and Mention an Estancia de San Nicolas but they don't specify the location or any other details.

Any information anyone may have would be helpful.

Thanks

I always assumed that "vecino" and "residente" meant the same thing, referring to the place an individual resided. However, I'm reading a baptism certificate that really got me confused it says that the parents of the child were: "vecinos de la Agua Dulce y residentes en este Pueblo [Atotonilco el Bajo]"

Where did these people live, la Agua Dulce or Atotonilco el Bajo? These two locations are close to each other, but I'm comfused because I always thought vecino and residente were sYnonyms.

Steve in NC

The line I am researching is heavily documented down to Diego de Lomelín and his wife, Gerónima de Liebana y Velasco, by many baptisms of their (at least) eight children between 1692 and 1715, and by the baptism of Gerónima (wife of Diego) in 1675. So while the names of the parents of Gerónima are known with certainty (Juan Basilio de Velasco and Nicolasa de Liebana), those of the parents of Diego de Lomelín are not.

Does anyone have proof of the parentage of Diego de Lomelín? All of his children except the last (in 1715) were baptised in Ayo el Chico.

Best wishes,
Lawrence Bouett

agluien podria ayudarme por favor esto atorado en el padre de jose anto. de alba que fue bautizado en san miguel el alto en el anyo 1793 hijo de rafael de alba y tranquilina barrera la pregunta es quien es el padre de rafael de alba que no encuentro ningun documento.... cualquier pista ayuda seria importantisima god bless you...

Which Church records should I search for a 1781 Baptism account of Gertrudis Herrera born in Rancho Maria de la Torre, Zacatecas? I've looked through Momax (that is where I found her marriage record), and Zacatecas without any success. There seems to be quite a few options.
TIA,
Roy