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Hello forum.

Catalina de Sepulveda died 10 Sep. 1644 in Guadalajara, Nueva Galicia.

Her death record can be seen here (Item at the bottom of the page at the RH side).

Accoring to this record, she was the widow of luis de bentura cabrera ?. One of the executors listed in her will is her mother-in-law Ana de Ojeda.

The mostly known Ana de Ojeda in Guadalajara at that time was the wife of Lorenzo de Meza y Valdivia.

Ana de Ojeda and Lorenzo de Meza got married 11 Feb 1621 in Guadalajara (see marriage record here).

Although it is not said in this marriage record, Lorenzo de Meza was the widower of Mariana de Hijar (aka Mariana de Moscoso). Ana de Ojeda should be the widow of the father of the deceased Catalina de Sepulveda's husband.

Any help is much appreciated.

I have two questions concerning the Arzola family:

The first is concerning the line of Capitan Don Pedro de Arzola, vecino y minero del Real de Panuco. He was married to Dona Cecilia Lopes de Soto. They were the parents of Maria, Josefa, Nicolasa, and Cecilia de Arzola. Cecilia de Arzola was the mother of Gertrudis de Avila, who married Juan de Salas. Juan de Salas and Gertrudis de Avila had Dona Maria Francisca de Salas who married Don Francisco del Muro.

Question 1: The line that connects Pedro de Arzola to Francisca de Salas seems to be generally accepted as true, but does anyone have an exact source for this? … A dispensa? …A reliable book?

The second question regards a crossover of states. Many of the early settlers of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes, had relations in San Luis Potosi. As it turns out, there is an Arzola family located in San Luis Potosi which was contemporary to the Pedro de Arzola mentioned above.

The following information is abstracted from the book “Diccionario biografico de antiques pobladores de San Luis Potosi 1592-1666”:

Juan de Arzola I, Minero (estimated birth 1574, Guipuzcoa, Reinos de Castilla, died after 1606) married Dona Ines de Salas. They had:

1. Magdalena de Arzola (baptized 1 May 1594, San Luis Potosi), married to Capitan Andres Perez, “Labrador en el Valle de Mexquitic”, “aparece como proveedor local, en los almacenes reales de San Luis y San Miguel Mexquitic” (born about 1575, Villa de San Felipe, San Miguel, Nueva Espana, died after 13 August 1634 or after 10 February 1640);

2. Andres de Arzola (estimated birth 1589, died between January 1619 and 13 September 1632), married to Dona Ines de Salas y Valdes (died after 13 September 1632);

3. Juan de Arzola II, “Estante en San Bartolome de la Pendencia (Zacatecas)” (died after 15 April 1615);

4. Juana de Arzola (baptized 6 June 1599, San Luis Potosi, died after 23 August 1659), married to Bartolome Rodriguez Tenorio (born Villa de Jimena del Castellar, Reinos de Castilla, died after 11 February 1658).

Three unplaced individuals include: An Ambrosio de Arzola (born about 1574, died after 7 May 1599), a Martin de Arzola (estimated birth 1576, died after 15 April 1615), and a Pedro de Arzola (estimated birth 1582, died after April 1602).

Question 2: Has anyone seen anything that may connect the Arzolas of San Luis Potosi with the family of Capitan Don Pedro de Arzola, vecino y minero del Real del Panuco? … Could Pedro de Arzola of Panuco be the same as Pedro de Arzola of San Luis Potosi? … Could Pedro de Arzola be a son or brother of Juan de Arzola I?

Hola a todos! Hace como un año que no comparto ni escribo. Aqui estoy de nuevo trabajando en mi arbol genealogico... Esta pregunta es para los que igual que yo tengan Enriquez del Castillo en su arbol. Mi antepasado Pedro Enriquez del Castillo fue hijo de Hernando Enriquez del Castillo y Isabel Calderon Delgadillo y nacio el 24 de mayo de 1646. Alguien tiene mas informacion acerca de donde viene Hernando e Isabel? Gracias!

Hello to all! I have not participated in about a year! Here I am working on my family tree once again... my question is for those of you who like me are working on the Enriquez del Castillo line. My ancestor Pedro Enriquez del Castillo was the sone of Hernando Enriquez del Castillo and Isabel Calderon Delgadillo and was born in Guadalajara on May 24, 1646. Anyone have additional information about his parents Hernando and Isabel? Thank you!

Sandra Patricia Gomez Mendoza
Investigando Zacatecas y Jalisco

Hello,

My name is Jeanette Delgadillo Ravenscroft and a new member. I am excited to learn more about my ancestors and heritage and will focus on the Teocaltiche, Jalisco area researching the Delgadillo and Sanchez families. I live in the United States in the Southern California area and I look forward to sharing what I learn with my children and cousins. I do speak Spanish although I do need to practice.

The link to my file is below and I look forward to sharing what information I discover.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/Ravenscroft

I am so appreciative for the opportunity to be a member.

Thank you

Jeanette

Hello,

I'm hoping someone could help me out reading Nicolas Corvera's place of origin stated in the informacion matrimonial. It is listed on the first and second page. I read it is Taurillo de Leanos. The Informacion Matrimonial was taken in Villa Gutierre del Aguila in Villanueva, Zacatecas. Does anyone have a different interpretation of the aforementioned. If I am reading it correctly, does anyone know the location of said place? Here's the link:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-T4GW-6?i=397&wc=3P9N-S…

Thank you for your time and consideration,

Sylvia Castañeda

Happy early New Year! primos from Jalisco Posting this in case members have clues on some deadends in my Jalisco genealogy. This is my dad's side of the house. He passed away this past summer but I had his DNA completed. Y DNA: IP37 and surname: Gutierrez.

The earliest documented ancestor I found on his dad's paternal side is Victor Gutierrez (1810-?) married to Vicenta Vasquez (1820-?) both from Comanjo Jalisco. Their child, Modesto Gutierrez (1845-1897) was then born in Cieneguilla, Aguascalientes and eventually married Zenona Gutierrez (1850-?) from San Marcos Guerrero I believe). Their child was Juan Gutierrez (1876-1930) who later married Maria Cipriana Tabarez (1880-1930) both from Aguascalientes and their son was my dad's paternal GF, Felipe Gutierrez (1899-1965), also born in Aguascalientes.

What is interesting is that my dad's Y DNA is not common in the surname Gutierrez. I could not test his brothers' DNA or any other male relatives as they had all passed away but I tested his sister (my aunt) and they are brother and sister so they had the same parents. Common surnames with this Y DNA is Flores or Valdez de Flores. It is not impossible to have other names but some thoughts could be a relative changed their name. I realize this is a big mystery so I am putting it out there in case any of this sounds remotely familiar.

On a side note, Zenona Gutierrez' family all originate from Jalisco. Although not related to the YDNA side, if anyone has any relatives you can share - her parents were Josef V Gutierrez and Urbana Diaz (circa 1800). It appears Josef's parents were Vizente Gutierrez (1766) and Maria Josefa Aguilera (1778).

Thanks for any help!

If anyone would like a real challenge in interpreting an old document, I should be grateful for any assistance in reading the last entry on the left-hand page of image 200 on roll 38311 (it's page 189 verso). What caught my eye about this entry is what I believe is the name on the last line of the entry of Hernando Enriques, on the mystery of whom I am currently working.

Thanks in advance.

Lawrence Bouett

Apenas destrabé la ascendencia de mi antepasada Lucía Fernández de Palos, casada en Nadadores, Coahuila, el 14/Mayo/1799 con Pedro Falcón Masías. Se indica en en registro que era originaria de Candela (en Coahuila) y era hija de José Tomás Fenández de Palos y de Francisca Feliciana Díaz Guerrero.

Revisando los excelentes compendios que ha generado Crispín Rendón, en específico su "Families of Vallecillo, Volume 1" (Vallecillo se encuentra en Nuevo León), encontré el matrimonio de los padres de Lucía:

15/9/1772, José Fernandez Palos, hijo de José Fernández Palos y María Andrea Maldonado, con Francisca Feliciana Guerrero, mulata, hija de Dionisio Guerrero y de Antonia Guadalupe de Esquivel. Revisando el registro en familysearch, tenemos el dato de que él era español, originario de Aguascalientes.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-61N9-KJL?i=33&cc=14732…

De ahí en adelante fue fácil encontrar información previamente publicada en wikitree (por Austin Pérez) y en geneanet (por Armando Antuñano) para formar la línea:

Gaspar Fernández de Palos (originario de Serpia, sic por Serpa, reino de Portugal) hijo de Alfonso Pérez e Isabel Gómez) casado el 1/Mayo/1638 en Aguascalientes, con María de Retamosa, "fueron testigos Luis Tiscareño, su padrino, y Lorenza de Esparza, su mujer".

Tuvieron por hijo a Nicolás Fernández de Palos casado con Leonor de los Hinojos.

Tuvieron por hijo a Mateo Fernández de Palos, casado el 22/Abril/1703 en Aguascalientes, con Francisca Ximénez.

Tuvieron por hijo a José Fernández de Palos, casado el 8/2/1739 en Aguascalientes, con Andrea Maldonado.

Lo curioso del caso es que descendientes de los novios de 1638 (Gaspar Fernández de Palos y María de Retamosa) se encuentran, casi doscientos años después y a cientos de kilómetros de distancia, con descendientos de los testigos y padrinos (Luis Tiscareño y Lorenza de Esparza):

El 6/Nov/1834, en San Buenaventura, Coahuila, se casaron José Antonio Falcón Palos (hijo de Pedro Falcón y Lucía Fernández de Palos) con María de Jesús Romo (hija de Rafael Romo, aka Rafael Femat, y de Urvana de Lira), descendiente de Luis de Tiscareño y de Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza, como se ha discutido aquí en Nuestro Ranchos.

El 8/Ene/1637, mi tatarabuelo Refugio Falcón fue bautizado en San Buenaventura, Coahuila, hijo natural (en el registro dice legítimo pero otros registros muestran que era "natural") de Luis Falcón y de Madalena Romo. Luis Falcón era hermano de José Antonio Falcón Palos y Madalena Romo era hermana de María de Jesús Romo.

¿Creen que es coincicendia que ésto pasara ó habrán mantenido contacto las familias a través de los años y de la distancia?

Espero que esto le sea de utilidad a alguien.

Saludos,

Bernardo Menchaca Falcón

Hello everyone,

Its been very long time but I am back uncovering my family's past. With the whole pandemic going on I have more time to invest in genealogy. It does sadden me that I don't have my aunt Alicia Avelar Olmos Carrillo by my side since she past away early this year. Not sure if you guys remember her but she was a great contributor to Nuestros Ranchos.I owe her for my interest in our family's history, and I will continue her legacy.

Now, I am writing this update because I have finally brought down my Villalpando brick wall. This happened two days ago and I have spent the last two nights confirming the connection with documentation and so on. If you guys look at my post from years ago (below) you can see I was stuck on Diego Villalpando and Gertrudis Rodriguez. It has been years. And maybe the connection was out there (thanks to George Fulton and others)but I just couldn't find anything so I gave up for a while.

The Villalpando line is very important to me because my mom is a direct Villalpandp descendant through her dad's side, my grandpa. I have tested my grandpa with 23andme to check his y-haplogroup. I have always wanted to confirm my Villalpando male y-haplogroup with documentation and paper trail. And I am finally getting closer. Don't think I have reached Europe (well from what I see online it stops in Leon, GTO). But defo closer to unraveling more info.
This is my line Juan Bautista Villalpando below is my 6th great grandfather.

Original Post
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21787

>Juan Bautista Villalpando christening on 24 Jun 1860 Señor San Jose, Calvillo, Aguascalientes. Juan Bautista married Paula Serna ca. 1880.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-13030-10071-23?cc=1502404&…
His parents were Juan Villalpando Hernandez y Maria Germana Esqueda Esparza.

>>Juan Villalpando was born ca. 1830 in Calvillo, Aguascalientes. His parents were
Jesus Villalpando y Maria Calistra Hernández. Juan Villalpando married Maria Germana
Esqueda Esparza on 27 de Noviembre 1857 en San Jose, Calvillo,Aguascalientes,Mexico.

>>>Jesus Villalpando was born ca. 1799. Christened on
the 4 Jan 1799 in Nuestra Señora de Belén, Asientos, Aguascalientes, México
His parents were Diego Villalpando de Luevana y Gertrudis Rodríguez del Aro.
Jose Jesus Villalpando married con Calistra Hernández Bobadilla daughter of Jose
Guadalupe Hernández Verduzco y Maria Antonia Bobadilla Lopez, ca. 1825.

>>>>Diego Villalpando son of Diego Villalpando y Diaz Pichardo and Juana de
Dios Luevana de Molina. Diego married Gertrudis Rodriguez de Haro daughter of
Juzto Rodriguez and Maria de Aro (I got the names of Diego Villalpando and
Gertrudis Rodriguez' parents from Jose Jesus Villalpando's baptism record.

>>>>> Diego Villalpando Diaz Pichardo son of Juan Antonio Villalpando de
Jaen and Josefa Flores Diaz Pichardo. Diego Villalpando Diaz Pichardo
married Juana de Dios luebana de Molina (daughter of Phelipe de Luevana
y Maria de Molina/Medina/Marin/Rangel) on 29 Dec 1749 in Nuestra Señora
de Belén, Asientos, Aguascalientes, México

>>>>>> Juan Antonio Villalpando de Jaen son of Thomas de
Villalpando and Maria de Jaen. Juan Antonio married Josefa
Flores Diaz Pichardo (daughter of Juan Diaz Pichardo and
Gertrudis Narbaes) on 24 Feb 1727 in Nuestra Senora de Belen,
Asientos, Aguascalientes.

>>>>>> Thomas de Villalpando son of Thomas de Villalpando
and Maria Velez. Married Maria Sotelo de Jaen (Daughter
Ignacio Ruiz de Esparza and Elena Sotelo) 12 Mar 1690
in Aguascalientes.

Hope all that made sense. Do you guys know if there is any confirmed information on the parents of Thomas de Villalpando and Maria Velez (1). My (maternal) paternal line does go back to Thomas de Villalpando.

Also, does anyone have information on the Juan Diaz Pichardo and Gertrudis Narbaes. I am also stuck on Phelipe de Luevana and Maria de Molina. I descend from them through three children of theirs, including Juana de Dios Luebana (m. Diego Villalpando Diaz Pichardo). There is some info on some sites that take back these Luevanas to the Luevana family that is well documented but can't find the sources to back it up.

Hello Arturo

Cosme Felix De La Villa De Bugarin and Maria de los Reyes it turns out are my 7th Great-grandparents as well as Great-grandparents of many of our fellow members and relatives. As you noted Maria is listed as a native of la villa de Baiona or(Bayona)Galicia,Espana. Has it been determined if Cosme Felix de la villa Bugarin came from the villa of Bugarin as his name seems to indicate? I've seen a map of la provincia de Pontevedra in Galicia where both Baiona and the village of Bugarin are located. They are according to Googlemaps 50km distance from each other.

Gus Meza

Does anyone have any information on Villa Garcia or sources where I can find the history of it?

I have collected tidbits of information about the ancestry of Maria de Haro y Saucedo who was married to Juan de Miramontes in Tlaltenango, Zacatecas sometime in the lat 1500s (likely 1580 to 1590) but have been unable to find definitive documentation of the details of her ancestry.

There are documents that state in vague terms that she was the descendant of Pedro de Bobadilla, original encomendero of Tepechitlan and of Juan Delgado, original encomendero of El Teul. It is also very probable that she is the descendant of Diego de Colio and his daughter Teresa de Colio y de la Torre.

Here is what I have and would appreciate any feedback or augmentation of these facts:

- Her grandson Nicolas de Haro, born in 1617, son of Hernando de Haro and Maria Gonzales de Mendoza, in his declarations of clean blood for the priesthood states that he is the great-grandson "bisnieto" of Pedro de Bobadilla and Maria de Saucedo, which would make Maria de Haro y Saucedo their daughter. However, there appears to be a generation missing here if one figures that Pedro Bobadilla's one documented son Francisco Bobdilla was born in 1542 and Maria de Haro y Saucedo was having children at the turn of the century. Nicolas was most likely their great-great grandson making his grandmother their granddaughter. Francisco Bobadilla died and left the encomiendo to his unnamed sister... possible mother of Maria de Haro y Saucedo???

- A woman, named Ana de Saucedo, who is identified as the aunt of Nicolas' father Hernando de Haro (and therefore Maria de Haro y Saucedo's sister) states that she was the granddaughter of Martin Gonzales, from whom she inherited lands that her grandfather had received through a "merced". This would make Maria de Haro y Saucedo Martin Gonzalez's grandaughter as well.

- In a document dated 1627 in Zacatecas (which I have been unable to find a definitive reference for) Luis Felix Delgado gives testimony of the land he and his brothers Gaspar Gonzalez and Pedro Albertis inherited from his father Martin Gonzalez. This would make Maria de Haro y Saucedo the daughter of one of these men or their niece.

- Jaime Holcombe lays out the following descendancy from Juan Delgado:
- Luis Delgado
- Beatriz Delgado m. Martin Gonzalez
- Magdalena Delgado m. Alejos Gonzalez
This would make Beatriz Delgado the sister of Luis Felix Delgado, Gaspar Gonzalez and Pedro Albertis and possibly the mother or aunt of Maria de Haro y Saucedo.

- John Schmal has pointed out that in a book by Jose Ignacio Davila Gabiri, the following descendancy of Don Diego Colio and his connection to the Haros:
- Captain Don Diego de Colio m. Doña Catalina de la Torre and they had the
- Doña Teresa de Colio y de la Torre b. 1566 or 1567 m. Captain Hernando de Haro
(Hernando de Haro was founder and one of the first settlers of of Compostela)
- Don Hernando de Haro y Colio b. 1591, d. 1660 in Zacatecas
- Don Rodrigo de Haro y Colio b. 1607 m. Doña Antonia Maldonado
- Don Sebastian de Haro y Colio b. 1610 m. Doña Juana de Tovar y Villalba
- Two other unnamed children
The likely culprit here would be Hernando de Haro, for whom Maria de Haro y Saucedo's son was named, but he may have been named for an uncle.

I tried to return information to I believe his name was Hernandez spam57@me.com about Romana Batres but it wouldn't go through. How can I eMail it to him?
Margarita Ruiz Alonzo De Fox

http://familyhistory.byu.edu/nl-2006.asp

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Home/News/frameset_news.asp?PAGE=Press/…

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Also the below articles were from the latest Somos Primos newletter and
submitted by Leonardo de la Torre y Berumen and John Schmall

DEFUNCIONES DE TEPETONGO, ZACATECAS.

1832 - 1838

Por Leonardo de la Torre y Berumen

BARRAZA Ma. Rosa, adulta, de 60 años de edad, casada con José Manuel
González. Murió del cólera. Recibió los santos sacramentos. Sepultada
con licencia por el señor Cura propio Presbítero don Isidro García
González el 4 de agosto de 1833 en el cementerio de la hacienda de El
Cuidado, con entierro humilde, fabrica de 20 reales.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 14. Año 1832-1839.

BERUMEN Ma. Antonia Isabel, adulta, de 55 años de edad, Murió en el
Arroyo Seco de Abajo de hidropesía. Dejando viudo a Teodoro Olivo.
Recibió los santos sacramentos. Sepultada el 18 de mayo de 1837 por el
Bachiller don Domingo Álvarez Tostado en el camposanto de Tepetongo, con
entierro mayor y fabrica de diez pesos.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 101. 101 vuelta. Año 1832-1839.

BERUMEN Ma. Josefa, adulta, de 80 años de edad, viuda en primeras
nupcias de Tomás Rodríguez. Murió de dolor de costado en La Estancia.
Recibió los santos sacramentos. Sepultada el 25 de agosto de 1836 por el
Señor Cura propio Presbítero don Domingo Álvarez Tostado en el
camposanto de Los Sauces con entierro humilde en fabrica de 20 reales.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 86. Año 1832-1839.

BERUMEN Ma. Paula, adulta, de 86 años de edad, viuda de José Rafael de
Escobedo. Murió en Arroyo Seco de males habituales. Recibió los santos
sacramentos de penitencia y extremaunción. Sepultada el 21 de julio de
1836 por el señor Cura propio Presbítero don Domingo Álvarez Tostado en
el camposanto del pueblo de Tepetongo, con entierro humilde en fabrica
de 20 reales.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 82. Año 1832-1839.

CABRAL Gregoria, adulta, murió de un dolor, dejando viudo a Andrés
Menchaca. Sepultada el 27 de agosto de 1837 por el Bachiller Domingo
Álvarez Tostado en el camposanto de Tepetongo con entierro humilde y
fabrica de 20 reales.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 107 vuelta. Año: 1832-1839.

CARLOS Ma. Vicenta, adulta de 35 años de edad, casada con Juan
Nepomuceno González. Murió de Evacuaciones. Recibió los santos
sacramentos. Sepultada por el Presbítero don Isidro García González en
el camposanto de Los Sauces con entierro humilde fabrica de 20 reales el
11 de diciembre de 1834.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 56 vuelta. Año 1832-1839.

ESCOBEDO Anastasio, adulto, soltero, de 15 años de edad, hijo legítimo
de Ciriaco Escobedo y de Trinidad Fuentes. Murió en el Salitral de dolor
de Costado. Se confesó y recibió los santos sacramentos. Sepultado el 20
de octubre de 1837por el Bachiller Domingo Álvarez Tostado en el
camposanto de Tepetongo con entierro humilde en fabrica de veinte reales.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 112. Año: 1832-1839.

ESCOBEDO doña Ma. Ana, adulta de 31 años de edad. Murió de hidropesía de
pecho en el pueblo de Tepetongo. Dejó viudo a don Lugardo Escobedo.
Recibió los santos sacramentos. Sepultada por el Presbítero don Isidro
García González en el camposanto del pueblo de Tepetongo el 27 de
octubre de 1833 con entierro menor fabrica de 25 pesos.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 40. Año 1832-1839.

ESCOBEDO FERNANDEZ doña Ma. de San Pablo, doncella, de 60 años de edad,
murió en La Troje de hidropesía. Sepultada el 22 de abril de 1837 por el
Bachiller don Domingo Álvarez Tostado en el camposanto de Tepetongo con
entierro mayor en fabrica de10 pesos.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 100 vuelta. Año 1832-1839.

ESCOBEDO Juan José, adulto de 43 años de edad, casado que fue con Ma.
Paulina Correa. Murió en Víboras repentinamente de una caída de una
bestia, sin haber recibido sacramentos. Sepultado por el Presbítero don
Isidro García González con entierro de limosna en el camposanto del
pueblo de Tepetongo el 21 de mayo de 1835.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 61. Año 1832.

ESCOBEDO Ma. Matiana DE, adulta de 19 años de edad. Murió de parto en el
salitral. Se confesó. Dejó viudo a Faustino Miranda. Sepultada por el
Presbítero don Isidro García González con entierro humilde, fabrica de
20 reales en el camposanto del pueblo de Tepetongo el 11 de noviembre de
1833.

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 41. Año 1832.

ESCOBEDO ROSALES Ma. del Refugio, adulta, doncella, de 15 años de edad,
hija legítima de Manuel Escobedo y de María Apolonia Rosales. Murió de
fiebre. Recibió los santos sacramentos. Sepultada por el presbítero don
Isidro García González en el camposanto del pueblo de Tepetongo, con
entierro humilde, fabrica de 20 reales el 2 de febrero de 1836

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 72 vuelta. Año 1832.

FELIX GODINA José Refugio, adulto de 20años de edad, murió en La
Estancia del Cólera. Recibió los santos sacramentos, hijo legítimo de
Rafael Félix y de Ma. Gertrudis Godina. Sepultado por el señor Cura
propio don Isidro García González con entierro humilde en el camposanto
de Tepetongo el 28 de septiembre de 1833. .

Libro de defunciones. Foja: 37 vuelta. Año 1832.

Lyman Platt wrote a great book that includes great information on the Padrones de Jalisco, Zacatecas y Aguascalientes. You can find the pages to that book on the nuestrosranchos.org website.

Log in to the website and then go to the top of the page and you’ll see “FILES”: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/filespage

Then go to “Books and Articles”: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15163

Then go to “Census Records for Latin America by Lyman Platt”: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15262

On the Acronyms and Bibliography page you’ll find the location of the Census records. But for our purpose we’ll concentrate on those available online via the FamilySearch.org website

As an example lets look at the Jalisco Padrones at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/system/files/private/active/5/Jalisco.pdf specifically Colotlan for the year 1817

On this line you find this info: Colotlan Jalisco Mexico 1817 168809 that number at the end is the film number on which you can view the Padron

Copy that number and then go to https://www.familysearch.org/en/ (if you haven’t already sign up for a free account) and after logging in go to “Search” and down to “Catalog”: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog

Click on “Film/Fiche Number” and insert 168809 and click on “Search” which takes you to: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/32677?availability=Family%2…

Here you’ll see a page for very many Census records for Jalisco: Padrones, 1639-1875

If you scroll down the page a bit to the item on the 7th line you’ll find the Padron for film 168809 and to the right of it you’ll see the “camera” icon which means the film is available online.

If you click on the “camera” icon (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9BF-QN4Q?mode=g&cat=3…) then your work begins because this film does not just include Colotlan but many Ranchos around the Guadalajara Diocesis.

So now to duplicate the above for Aguascalientes and Zacatecas you would click on the link for Aguas and Zacatecas: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/system/files/private/active/4/Aguascalie…

And you’ll notice that the film 168809 that we chose just as an example above also has Census/Padron records for both states so lets chose a different one for this example, Let’s say Jalpa, ZAC: 168839

Put it into the Catalog search for a film and it takes you to back to: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/32677?availability=Family%2… and here you will see you can find most of films listed for all three states. But for practice try a film that is not listed here for Pánuco, Zacatecas.

Joseph

Ps: here are some entries in the “Files” area of the nuestrosranchos.org site that members have listed for various Padrones ---

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18950
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19051
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15101
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21959
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23412
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/22941
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17340
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/tlaxcalan_census_1591
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13650

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-539C-9K?i=29&wc=3JXJ-1…

on the right page is the death record of my 4th G grandfather Pedro de la Torre and his parents are Simon de la Torre and Maria Ynes Flores de Lisar (well it looks like Lisar). I haven't heard of that name is it Lisar or another name? I was comparing the the last letter to the "R" in Nesesarios a few lines down and it kind of looks similar. what do you think?

Joseph

Hi all,

I was wondering if someone had information on the origin of Alonso Garcia de Cuevas who also used the name Garcia de Miranda? And was also wondering if he might be related to the de la Cueva family. He would've been born around 1590 and was married to Antonia de Nava. They are the parents of Antonia de Nava/de Cuevas who married Bartolome Garcia de Leon in 1648 in Aguascalientes. Any information would be great.

Paige

Hello Primos and Primas,

As part of my Valladolid Dispensas work, I ran across this matrimonial dispensation from Tinguindin, Michoacan:

Juan Manuel de Villasenor y Juana de Balbuena (Tinguindin - 1717)

In it, we find that Juan Manuel de Villasenor (vecino de Tlazazalca) was the son of Pedro de Villasenor and Maria de Jaso. Juana de Balbuena (vecina de Tinguindin) was the daughter of Fernando de Balbuena and Leonor de Santa Cruz y Villasenor.

Interestingly, the witnesses call out that there are two parentescos between the novios. The first one is the one I need help understanding and connecting the dots on:

Tronco del primer parentesco: Luis de Lomelin

1. Francisco de Lomelin // Juan de Lomelin
2. Maria de Lomelin // Maria de Lomelin
3. Pedro de Villasenor // Fernando de Balbuena
4. Juan Manuel de Villasenor // Juana de Balbuena

I looked around and couldn't seem to find any traces of a Luis de Lomelin son named Francisco nor that of a son named Juan... What I find interesting is that the third witness refers to the Maria de Lomelins (daughters of Francisco and Juan) as Cuebas and NOT Lomelin like the first two witnesses... That got me thinking... Is it possible that the first two witnesses were not old enough to remember/know that the Marias de Lomelins were NOT daughters of two Lomelin brothers but that they were daughters of two Cuebas brothers? Before I go there, I'd like to like to hear from the group if there were any known Lomelin brothers named Francisco and Juan Lomelin, sons of Luis Lomelin.

Thank You,

Daniel Serna Valencia

Hola Buenos días!

Estoy buscando mayor información sobre Juan Francisco de la Torre casado con Josefa de Páez cuyo hijo fue Manuel Francisco de la Torre n.1716 en Guanajuato y casado con Anna María García de Zárate o García Blásquez/Blásquez (también García Gutierrez y Escalante) y a su vez tuvieron una hija llamada Juana josepha de la Torre Gutierrez n. 1734 Guanajuato o San Luis Potosí no tengo muy clara esa información ya que en algunos documentos aparece Guanajuato y en otros San Luis Potosí.

Alguien tendrá entre sus antepasados a esta familia?

Encontré un Blog que enlista dispensas matrimoniales y encontré una que menciona a Juan Francisco de la Torre y Josefa de Páez pero sólo la enlista no viene mayor información. Fue ente este blog https://www.valladoliddispensas.com/p/1693-fhl-source-film-766503.html?… Catholic Diocese archives of Valldolid (now Morelia, Michoacan, Mexico) 1693 FHL Source Film 766503

Alguno de ustedes sabe a qué genealogia pertenece esta familia? Algunos de ustedes la tienen también como antepasados?
Agradezco de antemano cualquier información al respecto.

Ana GP

Hello,

I have been trying for a while to get more information on Bartolo de Aguirre (d. Sep. 2, 1724). He was married to Micaela [Orosco Mendosa Peres]. Many ancestry trees and FamilySearch trees have his birth in Spain in 1669, however I am not convinced.

A while back someone here on the forum suggested that he believed that this Aguirre line came from Guanajuato. I was wondering if that individual, I don't remember who, could kindly share his theory.

I have also found this marriage record of an Aguirre in Ayotlan in 1688.

https://www.familysearch.org/records/images/image-details?page=1&place=…

Bartolo's first child for whom I have found a baptismal record is Juana who was born in 1889. I am hoping to see if perhaps with the information from the above record, I can further research and establish some form familial relationship.

If possible would anyone be able to help decipher the entry? It is on the right page and has no heading. I cannot make out the groom's name nor his father's. His mother is Francisca Nunez. The bride I believe is Juana de Ovia, daughter of Joseph (?) and Angela de Ovia. Her family is from Guadalajara. Any other help would be appreciated as the handwriting is atrocious.

Thanks!

Hello everyone,

I have two ancestors in my tree with the same name and trying to determine if it’s the same person. Also, I have not come across their baptism records and any help to identify which Renteria lineage they belong to would be appreciated.

1. Lorenzo Renteria (BIRTH ABT. 1690 Mezquitic, Jalisco- DEATH BEF. 11/07/1740) married Juana de los Reyes (BIRTH ABT. 1690 Mezquitic, Jalisco -DEATH BEF. 11/07/1740)

Children:

>>Maria Guadalupe Renteria (BIRTH ABT. 1710 Mezquitic, Jalisco DEATH 03/20/1747 ) married Diego Bañuelos

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-4K9Z-XW?i=1109&wc=MC78…

>>Maria Theresa de Renteria (BIRTH ABT. 1720 Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas) married Antonio Talavera

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5NSX-TT?i=134&wc=SS56-…

>>Florencio Gerardo Renteria (BIRTH ABT. 1723 Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas) married Justa de la Rosa Bañuelos

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5J9Q-QP?i=140&wc=SS56-…

>>Petrona Renteria (BIRTH ABT. 1726 Mezquitic, Jalisco) married Estevan Bañuelos

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-4K9Z-HL?i=1143&wc=MC78… 2.
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2. Lorenzo Renteria (BIRTH ABT. 1710) married Cacilda Bañuelos (BIRTH ABT. 1714 Rio de Atoloaque, Jalisco) daughter of Diego Bañulos (same Diego Bañuelos who also married Maria Guadalupe Renteria from above) and Anna Gamboa.

The marriage record states Lorenzo Renteria is “viudo” from Josepha de Roxas.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5NSX-R4?i=106&wc=3JX5-…
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I also came across Pedro Lorenzo de Renteria (BIRTH 05/10/1713 Nochistlán) parents Pedro de Renteria and Josefa Carrillo. Is there a connection to this family from Nochistlan?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-1Z7T-4?i=489&cc=1804458

Any additional info would be appreciated.

Thanks
Ruben R

There is a digital copy available of one of the best genealogy reference sources available to us. It reviews innumerable marriage dispensations in the 17th and 18th centuries (Guadalajara). The index of surnames begins on page 591.

I tried to put the .PDF file into the Resource Materials but the attachment was not accepted. So, instead go to http://mexicangenealogy.info/discover-yor-mexican-ancestors-with-the-bo…, where you can download the entire book. The download area is 1/2 way down the page and is highlighted by Download Sagrada Mitra in PDF Format. I also give you the actual download link, Click here: https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE1217782. Alternatively, cut and paste this last link, then download.

Enjoy.

Ed

Looking for my grandfather born in Tlalcosahua, Jalisco, Mexico in 1894 +- 2 years. When I try to access film around the year he would of been born a IGI is not available in any of the subject towns. How can I access these records. I have found many of his family in Tlalcosahua, records thru Family Search but I'm not finding him Bernardo Lopez Huizar. His father's Last name (Lopez) his mother's last name (Huizar)Any in-put from any one would be helpful.

Hola prim@s,

This is the denuncia contra Juan Garcia de Santa Ana, vecino de Aguascalientes, por sospechoso de Judio. It’s dated 15 Nov 1604. The official in charge was Simon de Vargas Machuca, Teniente de Alguacil Mayor de la Villa de Aguascalientes.

Juan Garcia de Santa Ana was born in Sevilla, son of Juan Garcia de la Oliba and Luisa de los Angeles, and married to Francisca de Castro, daughter of Pedro de Castro & Juana Jimenez. He had been living in Aguascalientes some 8 years (1596) and previously, 4 years in Teocaltiche (1592-1596), where he had been punished for blasphemy, by Padre Cristobal Macias. According to this denuncia, in addition to the accusations, which I won’t get into, Garcia was related to known “New Christians” (a merchant named “Baeza,” is mentioned), and his grandmother was burned at the stake.

This is just a denuncia, and doesn’t include the trial nor outcome, but in case you are curious, Juan Garcia de Santa Ana remitted his testamento on 11 Aug 1607, so he survived this ordeal. What’s notable in this denuncia, are the witnesses: statements are given by Juan Lopez de Lizaldi (img190) Juan Navarro (img191), Pero Fernandes de Valdus el Moso (img193) and Martin Navarro el Biejo (img196). Unfortunately, their ages nor signatures are given. Other witnesses present or mentioned were: Francisco Banegas, Geronimo Lopez, Gaspar de Vargas, Martin Navarro el Moso (grandson of el Viejo), Lope Ruis de Esparça, Pero Ruis de Esparça, Xpoval Loçano. Pedro Gonzalez y su muger Maria de Frias.

Wow. Right? Unfortunately, there is no other genealogical information about any of these people, other than that given, but at least we can place them in Aguascalientes by 1604, and some of them in Teocaltiche, previous to that. Here are some things that I did pick out:

Pedro Fernandez de Valdus (Vaulus) was married to Maria de Gabai, and had known Garcia for some 10 years, placing Fernandez in the Teocaltiche area since 1594. I have more on him, which I will post in another thread. What caught my attention, was that he is called “el Moso,” implying that there was a “Viejo,” who was still alive and also lived in the area, or else there would be no need to identify him as “the younger,” right? How much do you wanna bet that the Elder was the same Pedro Hernandez who arrived with Viceroy Gaston de Peralta in 1566, whose mother was Juana de Siordia? That would give us the source of the Siordia surname, used by Fernandez de Vaulus’ descendants in Los Altos, and the timeline would hold: el Moso would’ve been born in Mexico in the 1570s, which is why he never holds any public office, like alcalde ordinario, alguacil mayor or juez, which were all reserved for peninsulares during that era. I’ll write more about him in another thread.

Lope Ruiz de Esparza was his brother-in-law, married to Ana de Gabai; why can’t I help but think, that the witness called Martin Navarro el Biejo, is their suegro, and husband of Petronila de Moctezuma? He gives his testimony, “estante en la Estancia de Chapultepeque, jurisdiccion de Aguascalientes” - could this have been their estancia? Named for the bosque in DF???!! How cool would that be!!! If he is Martin de Gabai, then Martin Navarro el Moso, who is listed as his grandson, is probably son of Cristobal Navarro. I wonder if and how witness Juan Navarro is related to them? He had known Garcia for about 20 years, so he’s early Teocaltiche. Or am I completely off-track? Anybody?

I’ve been accumulating a lot of information on early settlers in Aguascalientes, Guadalajara, and in Villa de Lagos, which I’ll be posting here, as soon as I compile my notes. Happy 2019, primas y primos mios! And have a great year, connecting us to our ancestors, and learning and sharing their names and their stories!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Hola, buenas dias a todos!
Quisiera primero presentarme con ustedes, Soy Ana Gaitan, nueva en este foro que es de gran interés para mi y ojalá podamos colaborar juntos pudiendo intercambiar información sobre antepasados en común. No soy genealogista ni mucho menos y recién acabo de ingresar en el campo simplemente por gusto, para conocer un poco más de mis raíces.
Al empezar a hacer mi árbol vi que había muchas familias que pertenecían a esta zona y me gustaría saber más de ellas a través de ustedes. Quisiera saber si alguien también tiene en común a estos antepasados. Empezaré con Joseph Lazo De la Vega casado con Francisca Brambila y Arriaga de la Cd. de Zamora. Los padres de Francisca fueron Alejandro Brambila y Arriaga y Catalina de Ochoa Garibay, hija a su vez de Miguel de Ochoa y Garibay y de Francisca Ramírez, fundadores de Zamora. Pero lamentablemente no he podido encontrar nada de información sobre José/ Joseph Lazo de la Vega, salvo que fue Capitán, natural de Sevilla y tres veces alcalde ordinario de Zamora. Alguien más que tuviera información sobre él, nombre de sus padres u otros familiares.
También he visto varios posts de Rick A. Ricci, miembro de este foro, y que ha escrito posts sobre varios antepasados en común y que a su vez ha escrito un libro “Mygenes2000”, sobre esa genealogía. Rick si lees mi post me interesa mucho tu libro, como lo podría conseguir? Ahí seguro habrá mucha información de mis antepasados también.
Cierro mi post con muchas mas dudas y preguntas sobre mis antepasados pero creo que por el momento es suficiente.

Agradezco de antemano quien me pudiera proporcionar más información sobre esa persona.

Saludos y nuevamente gracias,

Ana GP

Hello everyone!

First I want introduce myself, I’m Ana Gaitan, new in this interesting group and I hope we can work together and change information about ancestors in common. I am not genealogist and I am just starting in this, I am doing it for my own pleasure, to know more about my roots.
When I started doing my research, I saw a lot of families that belonged to this area and I love to know more about them through you. I want to know if someone have in common too these ancestors.
I will start with Joseph Lazo De la Vega married with Francisca Brambila y Arriaga from the city of Zamora. Francisca’s parents were Alejandro Brambila y Arriaga and Catalina de Ochoa Garibay, and she is daughter of Miguel de Ochoa y Garibay and Francisca Ramírez, founders of Zamora. But unfortunately I couldn’t find any information about José/ Joseph Lazo de la Vega, unless he was a Captain, native to Seville and three times ordinary mayor of Zamora. Someone else have more information about him, names of his parents or another family?
Also I saw a lot of interesting posts of a Member of this group, Rick A. Ricci, who wrotes about a lot of ancestors in common with me and that also wrote a book “Mygenes2000”, Rick if you see my post I am interested to get your book, how I could get it? Sure there I can find a lot of information about my ancestors.
Of course I have more questions about any others ancestors and I need more information, but for the moment I Think is enough to start!!!
I wonder if anyone else has researched about this person I will appreciate the information that can provide me.
Thank you very much in advance.
Saludos y de nuevo Gracias,

Ana GP