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Marty,

What type of research have you done? Have you accessed the www.familysearch.org website or is your research mostly oral history from family members?

The key is to provide as much information as you have to the group and in that way you will receive the greatest response.

When you give names, give the complete names, given name and surname or both surnames if possible along with the dates of birth or baptism, marriage and death if available. Where they were born, state, city or town, rancho or ranchos, who did they marry and when.

The way you have stated it below is very vague, not enough information provided. What is the first name for your grandmother's father, --------Arroyo? What is the first or given name for your grandmother Hernandez? What is the time period as in what years?

If you have not used www.familysearch.org do you know how to use it? If not here is a link that is located in the files/research section of Nuestros Ranchos, http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14638 This will tell you how to find your nearest family history center.

Good Luck Marty

----- Original Message ----
From: Marty
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 12:35:38 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Newbee

Hi everyone,
I am new here so bear with me if I ask to many questions... I joined the group about 2 weeks ago and put out 4 surnames that I am researching... and I want to thank those that answered me... I am reading the information that you are sending among yourself's and getting a general idea how the group works...

I am researching in and around Fresnillo in Zacatecas, the surnames that I am very interested in right now, are:
Arroyo----------- (my Grandmother's father)
Hernandez----- (my Grandmother's mothers maiden name)

What do I need to do or where can I go to find these surnames... or is there anyone in the group that has any surnames of Arroyo or Hernandez... I have the names of their spouses...which may led us to a family link.

Thanks

Marty

Hi everyone,
I am new here so bear with me if I ask to many questions... I joined the group about 2 weeks ago and put out 4 surnames that I am researching... and I want to thank those that answered me... I am reading the information that you are sending among yourself's and getting a general idea how the group works...

I am researching in and around Fresnillo in Zacatecas, the surnames that I am very interested in right now, are:
Arroyo----------- (my Grandmother's father)
Hernandez----- (my Grandmother's mothers maiden name)

What do I need to do or where can I go to find these surnames... or is there anyone in the group that has any surnames of Arroyo or Hernandez... I have the names of their spouses...which may led us to a family link.

Thanks

Marty

Hi Helyn ,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me yes, it's a very good feeling when you get to connect the dots and little by little you start to see the design of it all . I started this search of mine roughly 25 yrs ago and within the last several months I've found several family members . I'm currently living in Monterrey , Mexico . I came here 5 yrs ago to spend one year doing research on the family line . I got a little side tracked and started a telecommunications business here and long story short two years later I still hadn't done any family searching . When I sold my shares of the biz I was heading home ( home being Marina de Rey , Ca. ) I was invited to start an organic fertilizer company and well , here I still am however I did start the search and like I said in the last several months I've done ok here with past family members but I never knew about the members that came from Zacatecas until recently .

Thanks again for your kind words ,
Welester

Does anyone know where I can get a book or a biographies on the following conquistadores who served with Hernando Cortez. They recieved Coat of Arms on the battlefield. Conquistador Juan del Camino or Diego del Camino both were relatives. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

The LDS gave me an answer on the missing files from 1865 San Miguel El Alto. They said that either they had been overlooked or had been destroyed, but that I may write the church to see if they might have the missing 1865 records. She said I might also try the civil records, but the civil records did not start until after 1865! For those of you looking for records in San Miguel El Alto, please be aware that the film for baptisms 1865 is not complete. Only the first six months of 1865 are contained on the film. LDS said I might also try confirmations.

Now for my questions. Does anyone know how or where to request historical records from the parish of San Miguel El Alto? Is there a cost involved and how much? If there is a cost, will an international money order work to send funds? I have sent for records in the States and also in the UK, but never for Mexico. Since my Spanish is limited at best, is there a form in Spanish that I may use? Last but not least, at what age were confirmations done in Mexico?

Thank you for any help. My aim is to track down Julian Alviso where ever he may be hiding! He is pretty good at this hide and seek game. Sooner or later he has to get tired of playing and come out of hiding.

Maureen,

Linda is correct in that confirmation records only list the names of those being confirmed and their Godparents. That was the requirement per the diocese, not by the parish or local priest. In the 1600's, 1700's and the early 1800's it was per the decree of the Spanish court or La cedula real. Usually the bishop would travel to all the parishes to administer the Sacrament of Confirmation. It might take the bishop a few years to make it back to each parish again so you will find confirmation records anywhere from every 2 years to every 7-10 years. In some instances they might have to go to another church to be confirmed other than their own parish if the Bishop could not come to their town. In that case you would look in neighboring parishes for confirmation records but I wouldn't necessarily advise you to do that because the information you glean from that will be minimal.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:46:55 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Confirmations

Dear Linda:
Thanks for the heads up. I can only hope that San Miguel might have more than just names. What a shame. However, the marriage and baptismal records for Mexico are just wonderful. I have sent for Ohio marriage records and all it lists is the bride, groom and date. No way to tell if you have the right ones by matching up the parents names. For Mexico, we have so much more and even grandparents for baptismals as well as sometimes an aunt or uncle as a sponsor for a bonus, then their age too!

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encontre es esto correcto .
gracias

Thanks Smiley,

Now that you sent this I think we have driven this route once before, many many years ago and it was very narrow and very precarious due to the steep cliffs and dropoffs and very, very scary. That was long before I got into genealogy and paid attention to names of towns and their locations relative to our hometown of Nochistlan, Zac.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

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From: smileysway2 smileysway2@yahoo.com

...just thought I would place this link here so one can see the map, to make the reference. Fernando has already done the check and has noted the distance. I just wanted to add that this is a very long & winding way between main "pueblos." I have driven this route & it is a very dangerous road. Cuquio: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formtype=address&country=MX&addtoh…

Hola Fernando,

Es posible que falta informacion de la otra iglesia porque no existia antes
de 1921? Yo he estado estudiando los bautismos de Cuquio en microfilm y lo
que yo he visto que los que muchos de los que nacian en Cuquio los
bautisaban en la Iglesia San Felipe de Cuquio, Jalisco. Por lo menos eso
puedo asegurar desde el año 1830 para atras. La Iglesia de Ixtlahuacan del
Rio se fundo a partir de 1800 y muchos de mis antepasados empesaron a
bautisar a sus hijos en Ixtlahuacan, ya que los Ranchos en donde vivian
estaban en medio de Cuquio e Ixtlahuacan.

Saludos,

Maria E. Cortez

Leticia:
>
> Ayer estuve en el Family History Center, y ya orden? unos films, pero me
> d? cuenta que que solamente tienen informaci?n de una de las iglesias del
> pueblo y falta informaci?n de la otra, por lo que la persona que est? ah?
> asesorando me aconsej? que buscara en la Di?cesis a la que pertenecia en
> este tiempo las iglesias de Cuqu?o, as? que ahora estoy investigando a ver
> como estaba la organizada la estructura de la iglesia en Jalisco entre los
> a?os de 1845 al 1920, porque a partir de 1921 paso a pertenecer a la
> Arquidi?cesis de Guadalajara.
>
> Saludos
> Fernando P?rez
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: arturoramos
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Friday, December 1, 2006 1:00:48 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Trip to Jalisco and Zacatecas
>
>
> I will be heading down to Mexico again in a week. I will be there for a
> whole week, but a large part of it will be consumed with wedding details of
> a close cousin of mine.
>
> However, if there is something that someone wants for me to take down or
> bring back that will not be too cumbersome or troublesome I would be more
> than glad to oblige. I will be in Guadalajara and my grandparents' town of
> Villa Guerrero, Jalisco which is very close to Tlaltenango, Zacatecas.
>
>

I have found also the word "comparecio," preceding someone's name and
translate that to mean: appears (person's name), meaning they appear before
the judge. So, in a particular civil record, it would say in such and such
town (En el Ciudad de --), on such and such day (a los cinco dias del mes de
--) , before such and such judge (ante mi --), appears Jose Salazar
(comparecio Jose Salazar). Anyways, that is what I have been translating it
as, comparecer, meaning to appear and comparecio, meaning he appears, so "el
compareciente" would tranlate literally as "the appearing," or the one
appearing before the judge. They also might write "se presente" before the
person's name, which literally translates as "presented himself," meaning
"presented" and the name of the person who was presenting himself before the
judge.

I have also come across the term, "exponente," before someone's name, which
is a legal term, translating easily as "exponent," but not so easily in
meaning. The legal interpretation for many of the terms in civil records
can be found in law dictionaries. Accoring to such a dictionary, an
"exponent" is an advocate or the one who goes before the judge on someone's
behalf. In civil birth records, the exponent can be the father of the
child, but not always, and it can be a friend or close relative of the
family, but not always. Later in the record, it may state the father of the
child is the exponent, but sometimes it doesn't and merely says who the
mother is, particularly if the child is an "hijo/a natural, though I have
also found records that give both parents names for an hijo/a natural.

A lesson learned: Not only have I found it wise to hold off drawing any
conclusions about a particular ancestor from these records, but I have found
it helpful to read other records on the same microfilm, in order to see if
the names in my record of interest are also in other records involving
people completely unrelated to my ancestor. When I do see names given
repeatedly in other records I then deduce that they may have worked in the
courthouse and were called upon to act as witnesses, etc. for a number of
cases. Gathering as much information as possible on any given ancestor
without making any assumptions about them, simply stating what I have found,
is what I have very painfully learned to be the wisest course of action in
my research, especially if it involves sharing what I have found with other
family members who are quick to draw premature conclusions and do not let
them go, despite repeated, frustrating attempts at correcting them!

Corrine Ardoin

Hi everyone, I have finally submitted some reports,
they're not much, but it's a start=) I have mostly
obtained the info from census, marriage, baptism, etc.
films from the family history library. I may be going
to Mascota during 2007, so if anyone has any tips on
what would be most useful (I'm guessing that going to
the church would be a good place to start??), I would
really appreciate it! This is the link to my reports
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15362
Thanks for everyone's help!

Lavaniya Jimenez

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...Howdy Everyone...just wanted to let ya know that I finally (with some help, of course) have placed my Jalisco Connections folder here:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15363

...here is a link to my photos album, which I will be adding to today. We have a couple of Posadas to attend, so I will post some of those too. I will be adding some photos of our reccent outing for the perfect "Flor de Pena" for all of our "navedenas."

Just wondering how many of ya'll have this custom still being here in the United States? Are there any other customs that you have from your past, that you keep going within your family for this Christmas season? Like all the "mujeres" getting together to make the homemade tamales and of course, all the "placticas" don't hurt either.

During this time, I will be adding many more names of all the new family members born thru out the year. My family doesn't even realize I take very good genealogical notes during such occasions. Just curious about others "traditions" is all. Hope to add lots more research after I get the rolls that I have on order at our local LDS center.

Photo Album
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15364

...Until the next time, I wish you all a very blessed Christmas and New Year. May we all help each other in breaking down some of those many "brickwalls" in order to find those all elusive ancestors in the year to come...

Smiley :-))
Pink, OK

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>
> Hello Welester,

The book I have is titled "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia". Perhaps your
friend was referring to another book by Garmendia Leal. I believe he has
authored others. I checked my book and I see some Alvarados on page 30, but
they are from Guadalajara. I purchased my book through Borderlands
bookstore and I believe they still have some of Mr. Garmendia Leal's
books available.

Maria

> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Lester
> > Alvarado
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:07 PM
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Garmendia Leal
> >
> > Hi Maria ,
> >
> > That's the second time in two days that I heard the name Garmendia Leal
> , I
> > was at a book release yesterday in Monterrey , Mexico where the Board of
> > Education had a ceremony of thier new book titled " Municipios de Nuevo
> Leon
> > sus Simbolos , Cultura y Conocimeinto . One of the genealogist there
> > mentioned to me that in the Garmendia Leal book he saw several
> Alvarado's
> > dating back to the 1600's in Villa de Santiago in the state of Nuevo
> Leon .
> > If you have the time could you check this out for me please .
> > Where did you get the copy ?
> >
> > Thanks ,
> > Welester
> >
>

Soy Celestino A Villalobos, un miembro nuevo de "Nuestros Ranchos" Tal vez la desicion de Joseph Puente, de cortar la membresia de todos aquellos que no han presentado alugunas lineas de sus genealogias en "Nuestros Ranchos", es muy drastica, tal vez sea la persona menos indicada para hablar sobre el tema, lo que si se es que todo tiene una razon de ser. Como nuevo miembro he revisado casi toda la lista de miembros con sus archivos genealogicos y en verdad me han impresionado, como algunos de sus miembros han echo un gigantescos esfuerzos al trazar sus lineas de sus antepasados, y uno de ellos naturalmente es el mismo Joseph Puentes, y otros que sobresalen en sus investigaciones tambien, lo que representa largas horas de dedicacion durante dias, semans,meses y años un esfuerzo constante y conciente. Movidos por sentimientos y fuerzas mas haya de nuestra comprension. La mayoria de la informacion en los archivos de "Nuestros Ranchos" en lo personal a mi no me ayuda en nada,
aparte que mis contribuciones tampoco son de gran ayuda para el grupo. Tengo mas o menos unos dos años trabajando en las linea de los Villalobos, y ya he identificado a 12 de mis antepasados atras en el tiempo, quisiera poder encontras mas informacion, pero yo se que tal vez no la encuentre en ninguna parte, si yo mismo no empiezo esa busqueda, puedo darme cuenta que tal parece que soy el unico en la busqueda, y no voy a esperar a que alguien mas haga este trabajo, porque tal vez sere el unico con los recursos y las habilidades para hacerle, y quedarme sentado me haria sentir muy culpable. Puedo notar que una gran mayoria de miembros de nuestros ranchos, todabia no saben lo que se toma, para habanzar en sus lineas, ya sea por el mismo trabajo que absorve la mayoria de nuestro tiempo, o porque no somos muy dedicados en este trabajo de historia familiar, hacer un esfuerzo pobre nunca nos va a llevar al exito, o tal vez tengas que enfrentarte con la esposa, y te diga o tus
muertos o yo! y que todabia tengas el valor de decirles, bueno pues me quedo con mis muertos, esta es la clase de determinacion que debemos tener ante este trabajo tan gratificante. Por otro lado, tambien puedo notar que algunos cinco miembros o mas, estan reteniendo informacion, que seria de mucha ayuda especialmete para mi, puedo notar que han hecho avances dentro de sus lineas, y las estan cuidando celosamente, y no es que este pensando en mi, sino en mis antepasados, es cierto que hay que dar para recivir, pero si doy y no recivo, no parece que tenga mucho sentido, es posible que dentro de nuestros ranchos existe uno que otro miembro asi,y tal vez con algo de razon, pero nunca sabran del amor de un corazon agradecido, cuando reciben de los benefiicios de la informacion de aquella persona. Es muy posible que algunos de los miembros del gurpo, se sietan desanimados porque sientan que no progresan en sus investigaciones, es por eso que no comparten sus genealogias, pero
dejeme decirles una cosa, que dentro de no muchos años con la tecologia que tenemos tan avanzada, nuestros esfuerzos dentro del grupo sera recompenzada, el grupo sera mas fuerte, sus miembros estaran mas especializados en historia familiar especialmente en el area de Jalisco, Aguscalientes,y Zacatecas. Dentro de no mucho tiempo gozaremos de ricas fuentes de informacion como las hay en los Estados de Nuevo Leon, Coahuila, Tamaulipas y Texas, de donde los antepasados por el lado de mi abuela madre de mi padre, vivieron de donde he hecho una investigacion que me llena de mucha gratitud especialmente a todos aquellos que se especializan en genealogia, y han contribuido grandemente en este trabajo, como el Sr. Rodolfo Gonzalez de la Garza por nombrar a uno. Esta en nosotros, que los que vienen atras de nosotros sigan nuestros pasos, en una manera segura, y con un espiritu de trabajo y dedicacion como una gran familia, porque nos daremos cuenta que en realidad somos una gran
familia, hasta la vista primos. Demostremos a Joseph Puentes, que nuestro interes por formar parte de nuestros ranchos, no es para tomar ventaja del grupo, ''sino todo lo contrario''.

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> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: ed@serros.net> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:08:47 -0800> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Discounts for DNA tests at> > > Gary Felix, the administrator of the Family Tree DNA Mexico Project, wrote to me the email below regarding DNA testing in our group. The Family Tree DNA Mexico Project is the major DNA project involving people that have roots in Mexico. See http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm. This group should be considered a complement to the individual surname projects. I encourage all Hispanics to participate since participation in a group does not preclude participation in another.> > These DNA studies are a part of the ongoing studies to determine where all of our ancestors have traveled from. It has been a fascination journey, https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html> > GARY'S POST:> > Ed,> > please post that I can be contacted for discounts to the Mexico DNA Project, along with my email.> > >
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Greatings . In my search wile reading my grandfathers birth certificate i came acros the word -ELCOMPARECIENDE,this was in front of my great grandmothers name i assumed this was a name so after weeks of looking came up with nothing. Elcompareciendo is the person who is giving the information or presenting the child to the registro civil. maybe you all knew this but if not now you do. This information came from my cousin in Guadalajara.

Howdy Joseph,

I have been working with several members of the Mormon church and one of them is in charge of a Family Search Center , yesterday he lent me a copy of births in the town or pueblo of Juchipila , Zacatecas the years are 1871 to 1884 . The film and batch #'s are 1156151 (f) and 64671-2 (b)

I'm gonna start to read them this coming week so , if there is anyone with family there I'll be more than happy to check out the names for you .

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For the genealogy of the Vicente Zaldivar that came to COahuila/Nuevo Leon see my gedcom on this site.
This Vicente Zaldivar was the son of Juan Guerra Reza and Magdalena Zaldivar Mendoza and therefore was the nephew of Vicente Zaldivar Mendoza who participated in the New MExico expedition of his uncle Onate.Vicente Zaldivar married Maria Sosa, daughter of Alonso Farias and Ana Sosa ( daughter of Betriz Navarro Rodriguez and Alonso ALbernoz de Sosa - New Mexico expedition)). Ana Zaldivar daughter of
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-------------- Original message from Lester Alvarado : --------------

> Hello Ernie ,
>
> Maybe you could help me here , I am trying to connect my great great grandmother
> her name is Quirina Saldivar Gomez to Vicente de Zaldivar in Zacatecas .
> Quirina's father was Juan Jose Saldivar . I believe that his father was from
> Saltillo , Coahuila from there I don't have anymore info . I have read that one
> of Vicente's son's came to Saltillo , I just don't know when .
>
> In the Archivos Historicos de Monterrey in the protocolos there appears the name
> of Saldivar here is what it says :Fondo: Ciudad Metropolitana de Monterrey
> (segunda

From: Robert Alegre [mailto:ralegre_2000@yahoo.com]
Date: December 14, 2006

Dear Colleagues,

El Universal announced yesterday that plans are in the
works to cut the AGN's budget by over 50%. The staff
that we have become friendly with and who have helped
us over the years would surely face layoffs as a
consequence. Cuts in services will surely make our
work more difficult.

If the news is accurrate, then I think we need to get
together--online, at the AHA, in our departments--and
figure out a way to petition the new administration to
reconsider the cuts. An alliance among scholars based
in and outside of Mexico might carry some weight.

I thought I would send this out to open a dialogue and
see if anyone had any ideas.

Rob Alegre
Rutgers U.

Hi Maria ,

That's the second time in two days that I heard the name Garmendia Leal , I was at a book release yesterday in Monterrey , Mexico where the Board of Education had a ceremony of thier new book titled " Municipios de Nuevo Leon sus Simbolos , Cultura y Conocimeinto . One of the genealogist there mentioned to me that in the Garmendia Leal book he saw several Alvarado's dating back to the 1600's in Villa de Santiago in the state of Nuevo Leon . If you have the time could you check this out for me please .
Where did you get the copy ?

Thanks ,
Welester

> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:04:46 -0800> From: mcortez3@gmail.com> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Banuelos Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco> > >> > Hi Marge, Esther, et al.> > > I am not researching this family and don't have any info on them. However,> I happen to have the book you cite below and thought you might be interested> on what's written on page 142 of the Garmendia Leal book cited below.> > The title of the chapter is: Descendientes de Diego Temiño. The first> generation listed is Diego Temiño de Velasco (R: 1474), born at España. He> married Fracisca de Alcozer (R: 1475) at España. Francisca, born at> España. Then, it goes on to list five children of this couple: Francisca,> Alonso, Baltazar, Diego and Mariana. VECINDAD: Fueron vecinos de Sevilla,> salen con sus hijos de España el 13 Junio de 1538 hacia Cartagena, pasan por> Mexico y llegan a Guadalajara, Jal. aprox. en 1543/44. Below that, is the> citation to the Bancroft Library manuscript Esther cites.> > Maria E. Cortez> > > > > ------------------------------> >> > Message: 21> > Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 17:28:06 +0000> > From: eaherold@att.net> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Banuelos Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> > Message-ID:> > <> > 120920061728.9860.457AF2250005CDF80000268421602810600B04019D0A080E0A@at…> > >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain> >> > Marge,> >> > John Inclan references Guillermo Garmendia Leal's book on Nueva Galicia> > p.142. Guillermo in his book references two books, one in the Bancroft> > library, "A Guide to the Manuscripts of the Collections of Bancroft, Vol II> > Mexican Manuscripts Clave M-M1714" p 151. Then Guillermo also lists a film> > from the Family History Center in Salt Lake #0266637. Then there is another> > book "Biografias de Conquistadoews de Mexico de Guatamala" by Francisco> > Fernandez de Catsillo p. 59.> >> > I still hae not seen any proofs either way regarding Trevino's lineage> > only opinions. It is worth to try and check out the resources mentioned> > above.> >> > Esther> > --> > Esther A. Herold> >> >> > -------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" :> > --------------> >> >> > > I'm interested in seeing your information, if you don't mind. Thanks.> > > Marge:)> > > On Dec 8, 2006, at 12:27 PM, juanita delgado wrote:> > >> > > > my family tree traces DIEGO de TREVINO, back 7. yes, 7 generations 2> > > > generations before 1384.All the generations have a surname of VELASC0.> > > >> > > > Just thought it might interest you, though you might have this> > > > information already.> > > >> > > > eaherold@att.net wrote:> > > > Again my source is John Inclan. I am inclined to believe that is a> > > > myth also. All I know that has been> > > > verified from records in Jalisco is that Francisca Alcocer died there> > > > and that the Banuelos families and the Trevinos are part of the same> > > > family.> > > >> > > > Marge, could you share your information that convinced you that the> > > > connection to Bernardino Fernandez Velasco is a myth? Inclan mentioned> > > > a lot of books which I have been tr ying to get on interlibrary loan.> > > > THese books deal with early colonists in Mexico.I still think there> > > > are worthwhile looking at. He mentioned books at various sites where> > > > he has been posting the Trevino lineage.> > > >> > > > Also many people list Lenor Ayala as the mother of Ana Trevino the> > > > daughter of Jose Trevino.> > > > According to a recent paper by the archivist of General Escobedo that> > > > came out earlier in the year, Ana Trevino was illegitimate. She was> > > > born in Zacatecas. There is no mention of who her mother really is.> > > > The article is posted on the General Escobedo site. This means I have> > > > to continue my search as I am also descended from the Saens.> > > >> > > > Thanks,> > > > --> > > > Esther A. Herold> > > >> > > >> > > > -------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" : --------------> > > >> > > >> > > >> It's a myth that Diego Trevino is descended from Bernardino Fernandez> > > >> Velasco. I once thought that he was, too! But when I went searching> > > >> for verification, it appears that he isn't. I'm a descendant of Diego> > > >> and Francisca so I was interested. Where did you get your info about> > > >> Francisca Alcocer being descended from Henry II and Eleanor of> > > >> Aquitaine? I'd love to know. Marge :)> > > >> On Dec 2, 2006, at 10:32 AM, eaherold@att.net wrote:> > > >>> > > >>> Are the Banauelos related tothe Trevinos way back in the 1500s? Some> > > >>> children of Diego Tevino and> > > >>> Francisca Alcocer took Trevino and others Banuelos? I think> > Francisca> > > >>> Alcocer died in Guadalajara in mid 1500s. SOme of her sons moved to> > > >>> Zacatecas city. Diego Trevino, the son for one. Children of> > > >>> DIego Trevino the son, Jose Trevino and his wife Lenor Ayala for one> > > >>> moved on to Monterrey around 1600. I am looking for veriffication of> > > >>> parentage of Diego Trevino, Sr and his wife Francisca Alcocer.> > > >>> John Inclan claims Diego Trevino decends from the Bernardino> > > >>> Fernandez> > > >>> Velasco, 3rd count Haro.> > > >>> Francisca Alcocer is said to descend from Henery II and Eleanor of> > > >>> Acquitiane through daughter Eleanor.> > > >>> --> > > >>> Esther A. 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Many in the group have already complied, but many have not. If you've
already submitted your genealogy just relax. . .you're a life member of
the Nuestros Ranchos group.

For those that haven't submitted their work I get a little nervous when
it comes time to remove members from the list. I wish everyone would
just buckle down and send in their representative genealogies showing
their connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.

This is the second to the last notice I'm going to send out. I'll
probably send out the last notice right after the new year. Then
suddenly on 01 Feb 2007 the group should show 30-50 less members. Please
don't let this be you. On that day or shortly thereafter I will be
deleting the memberships of all who have not done
one of the following things:

1) emailed moderator@nuestrosranchos.org with a request for the specific
amount of time you'll need beyond 31 Jan 2007 to submit your genealogy*.

*Note you might be a new researcher with very little or nothing to
submit. In this case you'll be able to meet this requirement by sending
in a short account of your family's "Oral History" relating your roots
to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.

2) send moderator@nuestrosranchos.org an email with your
"representative" tree showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. [Note: not your gedcom is not required, or every
document you ever discovered or your whole life's genealogical work,
just a simple "representative" tree showing your connection to our area
of research]

Please don't wait until the last minute. Email me soon so we can start
making up your folder in the private to members only area of the group.

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

====================================================

En Espanol:

Voy a mandar esta noticia otra vez, la ultima vez, en la primer semana
de Enero de 2007

*Aquellos miembros nuevos no deben de preocuparse con esto; la razon es
que ya reuni su "arbol representativo" el cual enseña su respectiva
conexion a la region de nuestra investigacion: Jalisco, Zacatecas y
Aguascalientes.*

*Por el momento existen 175 miembros con solo 105 geneologias remitidas,
esto da razon a que aquellos miembros sin remitir su geneologia personal
deben de hacerlo lo mas rapido que sea posible, ya que la fecha critica
del 31 de Enero 2007 pronto llegara. En este fecha empezare anular su
calidad de miembro con la **excepción de los miembros que han actuado de
la siguiente manera:***

1) Correspondido con moderator@nuestrosranchos.org
solicitando una extension más
allá del 31 de Enero 2007 para remitir su *"arbol representativo"**. El
correo electronico debe de contener el tiempo explicito necesario de la
extension solicitada.

**En el caso que usted sea nuevo a la investigacion con muy poco o nada
que pueda remitir, entonces podra cumplir con el requisito enviando un
breve escrito de la "historia oral familiar" que indique la relacion de
sus raices a Jalisco, Zacatecas y Aguascalientes.*

*2) Enviar a **moderator@nuestrosranchos.org
** un correo electronico con su
"arbol representativo" que explique su conexion a Jalisco, Zacatecas o
Aguascalientes. [Aclaración: Su archivo "gedcom" no es necesario; ni
copias de cualquier documento descubierto o su trabajo geneologica en su
totalidad, solo un "arbol representativo" que enseñe su relación a la
region]*

*Por favor no espere hasta el ultimo momento -- es urgente. Envieme por
correo electronico para formar su "carpeta de archivo" disponible
exclusivamente a "solo miembros".*

joseph
moderator@nuestrosranchos.org

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Many in the group have already complied, but many have not. If you've
already submitted your genealogy just relax. . .you're a life member of
the Nuestros Ranchos group.

For those that haven't submitted their work I get a little nervous when
it comes time to remove members from the list. I wish everyone would
just buckle down and send in their representative genealogies showing
their connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.

This is the second to the last notice I'm going to send out. I'll
probably send out the last notice right after the new year. Then
suddenly on 01 Feb 2007 the group should show 30-50 less members. Please
don't let this be you. On that day or shortly thereafter I will be
deleting the memberships of all who have not done
one of the following things:

1) emailed moderator@nuestrosranchos.org with a request for the specific
amount of time you'll need beyond 31 Jan 2007 to submit your genealogy*.

*Note you might be a new researcher with very little or nothing to
submit. In this case you'll be able to meet this requirement by sending
in a short account of your family's "Oral History" relating your roots
to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.

2) send moderator@nuestrosranchos.org an email with your
"representative" tree showing your connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes. [Note: not your gedcom is not required, or every
document you ever discovered or your whole life's genealogical work,
just a simple "representative" tree showing your connection to our area
of research]

Please don't wait until the last minute. Email me soon so we can start
making up your folder in the private to members only area of the group.

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

====================================================

En Espanol:

Voy a mandar esta noticia otra vez, la ultima vez, en la primer semana
de Enero de 2007

*Aquellos miembros nuevos no deben de preocuparse con esto; la razon es
que ya reuni su "arbol representativo" el cual enseña su respectiva
conexion a la region de nuestra investigacion: Jalisco, Zacatecas y
Aguascalientes.*

*Por el momento existen 175 miembros con solo 105 geneologias remitidas,
esto da razon a que aquellos miembros sin remitir su geneologia personal
deben de hacerlo lo mas rapido que sea posible, ya que la fecha critica
del 31 de Enero 2007 pronto llegara. En este fecha empezare anular su
calidad de miembro con la **excepción de los miembros que han actuado de
la siguiente manera:***

1) Correspondido con moderator@nuestrosranchos.org
solicitando una extension más
allá del 31 de Enero 2007 para remitir su *"arbol representativo"**. El
correo electronico debe de contener el tiempo explicito necesario de la
extension solicitada.

**En el caso que usted sea nuevo a la investigacion con muy poco o nada
que pueda remitir, entonces podra cumplir con el requisito enviando un
breve escrito de la "historia oral familiar" que indique la relacion de
sus raices a Jalisco, Zacatecas y Aguascalientes.*

*2) Enviar a **moderator@nuestrosranchos.org
** un correo electronico con su
"arbol representativo" que explique su conexion a Jalisco, Zacatecas o
Aguascalientes. [Aclaración: Su archivo "gedcom" no es necesario; ni
copias de cualquier documento descubierto o su trabajo geneologica en su
totalidad, solo un "arbol representativo" que enseñe su relación a la
region]*

*Por favor no espere hasta el ultimo momento -- es urgente. Envieme por
correo electronico para formar su "carpeta de archivo" disponible
exclusivamente a "solo miembros".*

joseph
moderator@nuestrosranchos.org

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Hi there Josie ,

I did a quick serch in www.familysearch.org and found 58 Liendos in Coahuila ..... 22 in Tamaulipas ..... 10 in Jalisco , also note that I found 0 in Zacatecas and 0 in Aguascaliente .

This does'nt mean that there aren't any in those states , like I said it was a quick search . If you want enter into the site clik on the International Genealogical Index , then clik on region ( Mexico ) clik on the state ( whichever you prefer ) .
Now , go to where it says First Name and put an asterisk * and where it says Last Name , put Liendo . Hope this helps alittle .

Welester

> From: josiett3@satx.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:32:07 -0600> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] "Padrsn de poblacisn de Aguascalientes", compiled in 1792 by Felix Calleja> > My ancestor's testamento states he was "originario de Zacatecas" and that is> why I am assuming he was from the city of Zacatecas. It is very possible he> was from the area around Zacatecas (city) and that is why I am having such a> difficult time locating info on him. His name was Juan Antonio Liendo and> he married Catalina de la Rosa probably in the late 1600s. Their son (also> named Juan Antonio Liendo) left his will dated 1771 in Saltillo where he> states he was from Zacatecas. I have researched Liendos from the early> 1700s to the present and (from what I have researched and documented) they> all descend from this couple. There are a few Liendos that were in Autlan de> Navarro, Jalisco, a few in Durango and a few from Distrito Federal (Mexico> City) but the maj
ority wi
ll be found in Saltillo and Tamaulipas. There are> also a lot of Liendos in Peru, Bolivia, Argentina, Venezuela, Chile and> Spain. It is possible that my ancestor "got off the boat in Mexico" or> traveled from one of these other countries to get to Zacatecas and then went> to Saltillo and on to Tamaulipas and into Texas. > > I have a friend in Aguascalientes who told me she has seen the surname in> Morelia and Michoacan so I will see what I can find there. Since the name> is a rare one I keep any and all info I find on ANY document pertaining to a> Liendo.> > Any assistance is appreciated! > > Josie in San Antonio> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of> eaherold@att.net> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:23 AM> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] "Padrsn de poblacisn de Aguascalientes",> compiled in 1792 by Felix Calleja> > Where in Z
acatecas
did you find you Liendos? What given names?> --> Esther A. Herold> > > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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I was looking for my grandmother's civil birth record on microfilm for the
Guadalajara District, because my mother had said her mother was born in
Guadalajara on May 25th, 1907. However, I didn't find my grandmother's
birth record. My mother said that her mother's family, Alberto and
Francisca Martin del Campo, lived on a farm in Guadalajara and that was
where her mother was born. So, I just got my Jalisco map in the mail and I
have been checking for a listing of the municipios in Jalisco and see that
Guadalajara is both a city and a district, or municipio, all in itself. Am
I understanding that correctly? Like in California, San Francisco is both a
city and a county. So, now I'm thinking that, if they lived on a farm a
hundred years ago, that farm may not even be there anymore. It may now be
city. What I'm wondering is if cities in Mexico have city limits, like they
do here and, if so, I'm wondering if the Guadalajara city limits have been
expanded as the city has grown. What I'm trying to determine is that the
reason my grandmother's birth record was not in the Guadalajara district
civil registry, is perhaps because even though they lived "in Guadalajara,"
it may have been in another district, at least back in 1907 when my
grandmother was born. Would anyone know about this? My mother is going to
call her aunt to ask where the family farm was, but she may not know about
any boundary changes that may have occurred. I hope all of this makes
sense, basically I'm trying to determine which district my grandmother was
born in, so I can then order the microfilm for that one and, hopefully, find
her birth record in it.

Corrine Ardoin