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The Lobato's were from Sombrete, Zacatacas can someone tell me where this is? And where would I find records earlier than 1690's?

Denise Lovato-Duran

My grandfather told me that our two Esparza lines came from Aguascalientes before entering Huanusco, Zacatecas. I was researching this Esparza line who the patriach is Lope Ruiz de Esparza who came to Mexico in Feb 8, 1593. There is a film named (Catalogo de Pasajeros a Indias (Vol. III - #2.633) where it states this information. I believe all Esparzas in that area came from him since there wasnt any Esparza active during the conquest that I have found. Maybe there's a connection from mine to them? Can anyone help? Thanks. -Daniel

Okay folks listen up!

One day someone is going to desperately want to search for a specific
email by using the search engine. In order for the search engine to work
to this advantage we need to give the proper names for the subjects of
the emails.

1) If you are replying to an email and are changing the subject please
change the subject accordingly. You can say something like: Census
Records - was: "Introduction"

2) Yes and lets start getting just a bit more specific about the
subject. One day we might need to look for someones introduction and
come to find 100 messages with the subject being "Introduction" why not
lets say: "Joseph Puentes: Introduction"

3) Also let's try to keep in mind what each of the three email lists are
for:

research@nuestrosranchos.org is for messages that are specifically for
research in our area: Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.
_Messages related to genealogy but not about Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes should not go to this list. _

general@nuestrosranchos.org is for brief discussions about genealogy
_outside our area of research_ OR messages about _other topics_ that the
group might find useful including those that are related to Jalisco,
Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. IF IF someone starts a conversation
about genealogy research related to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes on this list then let's all try to move the conversation
as soon as possible back to research@nuestrosranchos.org

announce@nuestrosranchos.org is for announcements.

thanks for your help with this,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Looking for any information to huizar family name in aguascalientes. I have extensive info on Huizar family related to Pedro Huizar in eeuu. any info would be great! thank you!

Did you get an anounment from me?

Denise Lovato-Duran

Hello joseph,

I would like to take this opportunity to say thanx as well to you and to Kitty , Alicia John and Enriquie . Sometimes you forget just how much work is involved in maintaining a smooth operation , kinda like the duck theory , you see the duck on the surface of the lake gliding ever so smoothly but, what you don't see are his feet underneath paddling away .

Thank you all !
Welester

> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:49:08 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Function of the nuestrosranchos.org Group Continues Because. . .> > > > the nuestrosranchos.org site continues because of the hard work and > dedication of its volunteers: Kitty Cortez, Alicia Carrillo, John > Gonzalez, and Enrique Legaspi. It sounds like there will be others who > are joining in to do the work as well soon.> > We all know the great work that Arturo has done with the website and a > continued thanks go to him for his efforts. Muchisimas Arturo!> > I just wanted to publicly thanks John Gonzalez and Enrique Legaspi for > their help in doing Translation work for me when I needed something to > be said "correctly." You all have seen that my written Spanish is > terrible and these two gentlemen have stepped up to help me greatly and > I'm counting on them to help in the future. Thank you John and thank you > Enrique.> >
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Sr. Arturo:

Disculpe la tardanza en contestar, no se mucho inglés pero creo que si le puedo ayudar en la traducción pienso que en un 70% u 80%, usted digame que es lo que hay que hacer e inmediatamente nos ponemos a trabajar en la traducción de ese manual.

Saludos
Fernando Pérez

----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: announce@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:19:08 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Voluntario para Guia de Usuario

Fernando,

Gracias por la oferta de ayudar. Podrias traducir el documento de ingles a espanol si logramos escribirlo en ingles? Esa es una tarea que no requiere mucho conocimiento de computadoras en si, pero si un poco de terminos tecnicos (del internet). Creo que Victor, quien traducio lo que ya tenemos, lo hizo muy bien y leyendo lo que el hizo se pueden aprender muchos de los terminos si no los sabes.

Que te parece? Te animas?

agustin mota wrote: hello evryone i find myself stuck in my familt reasearch. can somene help? what i need is information for my mota line. i am up to 1862 with agustin mota.next would be vicente mota apr,1840 and francisca herrera husband and wife from totatiche jalisco. i am looking for guidence.the famiy reaseach facility in my area for some reason is closed. thank you for youre support. agustin

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>
> Thanks to the efforts of volunteers, we got the Nuestros Ranchos User Guide started and about halfway finished last summer. The project has been sitting gathering dust and I would like to get it completed as I think it will be very useful for the new members who are not familiar with all of the functions of the site. There is a Spanish and an English version. The outlines are finished, they just need to have meat put on the bones (along with some screen prints). Please let me know if you can help...
>
> The missing sections are:
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> Section D.
> 7. Searching GEDCOM database
> 8. Using the Films database
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> Secci?n E. Account and File Maintenance
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> Gracias a los esfuerzos de voluntarios, el verano pasado comenzamos y terminamos la mitad de un Guia de Usuario de Nuestros Ranchos. El proyecto quedo abandonado y me gustar?a terminarlo porque creo que sera bastante ?til para los nuevos miembros que no quedan familiarizados con las funciones del sitio Nuestros Ranchos. Existe una versi?n en espa?ol asi como una en ingles. Los esbozos quedan terminados y falta solamente a?adir texto (y algunas im?genes). Por favor dejenme saber si pueden ayudar con este proyecto.
>
> Las secciones que faltan son las siguientes:
>
> Seccion D.
> 7. B?squedas en la base de datos GEDCOM
> 8. Usar la base de datos de rollos de microfilmaci?n
>
> Secci?n E. Mantenimiento de cuenta y archivos
> 1. Actualizar sus archivos (borrar/montar nueva versi?n)
> 2. Actualizar su perfil
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> From: Fernando Perez
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Volunteers Needed - Busco Voluntarios
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
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> Sr. Arturo:
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> No se mucho de computadoras pero si en algo le puedo ayudar, me pongo a sus ?rdenes.
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> Fernando P?rez
>
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> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 5:55:39 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Volunteers Needed - Busco Voluntarios
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>
> Busco voluntarios para terminar el Guia de Usuario de Nuestros Ranchos (espa?ol sigue abajo)
> Volunteers needed to finish Nuestros Ranchos User Guide
>
> Thanks to the efforts of volunteers, we got the Nuestros Ranchos User Guide started and about halfway finished last summer. The project has been sitting gathering dust and I would like to get it completed as I think it will be very useful for the new members who are not familiar with all of the functions of the site. There is a Spanish and an English version. The outlines are finished, they just need to have meat put on the bones (along with some screen prints). Please let me know if you can help...
>
> The missing sections are:
>
> Section D.
> 7. Searching GEDCOM database
> 8. Using the Films database
>
> Secci?n E. Account and File Maintenance
> 1. Updating your files (delete/reupload)
> 2. Updating your profile
> 3. Changing your password/username
> 4. Changing your mailing list subscriptions
>
> You can find the document at:
>
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14123
>
> ==ESPA?OL==
>
> Gracias a los esfuerzos de voluntarios, el verano pasado comenzamos y terminamos la mitad de un Guia de Usuario de Nuestros Ranchos. El proyecto quedo abandonado y me gustar?a terminarlo porque creo que sera bastante ?til para los nuevos miembros que no quedan familiarizados con las funciones del sitio Nuestros Ranchos. Existe una versi?n en espa?ol asi como una en ingles. Los esbozos quedan terminados y falta solamente a?adir texto (y algunas im?genes). Por favor dejenme saber si pueden ayudar con este proyecto.
>
> Las secciones que faltan son las siguientes:
>
> Seccion D.
> 7. B?squedas en la base de datos GEDCOM
> 8. Usar la base de datos de rollos de microfilmaci?n
>
> Secci?n E. Mantenimiento de cuenta y archivos
> 1. Actualizar sus archivos (borrar/montar nueva versi?n)
> 2. Actualizar su perfil
> 3. Cambiar su nombre de usuario o contrase?a
> 4. Cambiar sus subscripciones de listas de correo-e
>
> You can find the document at:
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> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14123
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>

Looking for some tech-savvy volunteers!

As you all know, Nuestros Ranchos is an all volunteer group. There is no cost to be a member largely because of this volunteer effort and Joseph's generosity in paying for the server space that the site rests on.

We would like to "spread the wealth" a bit with the maintenance and development of the website to make sure that it can stay up and running when one of us is not available.

The site currently runs on a content management system called Drupal and since it was built over a year ago, it is time for an upgrade. I am looking to upgrade the software of the site and the look/layout to make it easier to read and navigate.

In order to take on this task, I need a volunteer or two who is familiar with PHP and/or CSS and is willing to pitch in some of their spare time. There is no deadline for this project so it would be a help as you can basis. Please contact me if you are interested. You can do so through the personal contact form by clicking on my username below this message on the nuestrosranchos.org site.

Subject:
Navarro, DNA, Cepeda, Saucedo, Saravia
From:
victorianonavarro
Date:
Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:15:53 -0800 (PST)

To:
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

Hi, I'm looking for genealogical and biographical information regarding
Victoriano Navarro, his parents Domingo Navarro & María Encarnación
Cepeda, and his grandparents José María Navarro & Fernanda Saravia and
Rafael Cepeda & Rosa Saucedo.
Victoriano Navarro was from Ocotlán, Jalisco. He and his son José
Guadalupe moved to Coahuila.
On 1835 he married Victoriana Elizondo (widow, great-grandmother of
President Madero). They had three children: Ma. Refugio, Ma. Isabel and
Raymundo.
After Victoriana died, he married her niece Ma. Manuela de la Garza and
they had six children: Ma Isabel, Victoriana, Serapia, Luís Manuel (4th
Mayor of Torreón), Beatriz and Gilberto.
He died on 1873.
Y-DNA testing indicates this Navarro lineage belongs to Haplogroup
R1b1c, which originated among the Cro-Magnon men who populated Europe
about 30 thousand years ago.
I'd appreciate any information on these families.

Hola, estoy buscando información biográfica y genealógica referente a
Victoriano Navarro, sus padres Domingo Navarro & María Encarnación
Cepeda, y sus abuelos José María Navarro & Fernanda Saravia y Rafael
Cepeda & Rosa Saucedo.
Victoriano Navarro era originario de Ocotlán, Jalisco y se mudó a
Coahuila junto con su hijo José Guadalupe.
En 1835 se casó con Victoriana Elizondo viuda de Madero (bisabuela del
Presidente Madero)y tuvieron tres hijos: Ma. Refugio, Ma. Isabel y
Raymundo.
Luego de enviudar de Victoriana, se casó con la sobrina de ésta, Ma.
Manuela de la Garza, y tuvieron seis hijos: Ma Isabel, Victoriana,
Serapia, Luís Manuel (4º Presidente Municipal de Torreón), Beatriz y
Gilberto.
Murió en 1873.
Pruebas genéticas del cromosoma Y indican que ésta rama de la familia
Navarro pertenece al haplogrupo R1b1c, mismo que se originó hace unos 30
mil años entre los hombres de Cro-Magnon que poblaron Europa hace uso 30
mil años.
Agradezco cualquier información sobre éstas familias.

Hello Juanita,

You may have asked, but I have a hard time keeping up with my e-mail. I
subscribe in digest mode and sometimes miss things, or I just don't check
for several days and forget. I'm the one who needs to apologize!

Anyway, back to your question. I purchased my book through Borderlands
Bookstore. They are based in San Antonio, TX. Phone number (210)
432-6043. I don't know which libraries have a copy and would do
interlibrary loans, but I seem to recall Joseph has done Worldcat searches
for books. Perhaps he can help us out here. I think that catalog searches
multiple libraries at once and you can see which libraries have a copy and
proceed from there.

Good luck on your research!

Maria

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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:56:07 -0800 (PST)
> From: juanita delgado
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] To Juanita Delgado: Delgados in book
> "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia"
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <342135.40651.qm@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> MARIA,
>
> HAVE I ASKED YOU THIS QUESTION BEFORE, IF I HAVE, FORGIVE ME.
>
> WHERE CAN I OBTAIN A COPY OF THE BOOK "CONQUISTADORES DE NUEVA GALICIA"?
>
> DO YOU KNOW IF I Can get it on loan thru my library?
>
> THANKS11111111
>
> JUANITA G. DELGADO
>

I have been trying to research Rancho Ojo de Agua near San Miguel El Alto and Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco. I am looking through the LDS film in the 1820-1832 births for San Miguel El Alto. A substantial amount of births are from Rancho Ojo de Agua. Well, in any event, I came across a paper that digs into the history of coffee production and other crops in Mexico, please see link below:

http://www.ic.nanzan-u.ac.jp/LATIN/1albagonzales.pdf

There are references to books used to research at the end of the paper. I thought it might be an interesting piece of history to share.

He estado tratando de investigar Rancho Ojo de Agua cerca de San Contralto de Miguel El y Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco. Examino la película de LDS en los 1820-1832 nacimientos para San Contralto de Miguel El. Una cantidad substancial de nacimientos es de Rancho Ojo de Agua. Bien, en todo caso, yo encontré un papel que cava en la historia de la producción de café y otras cosechas en México, ve por favor la conexión abajo:

http://www.ic.nanzan-u.ac.jp/LATIN/1albagonzales.pdf

Hay las referencias a libros investigaban a fines del papel. Pensé que quizás sea un pedazo interesante de la historia para compartir.

Maureen Bejar

Hi, I’m looking for genealogical and biographical information regarding Victoriano Navarro, his parents Domingo Navarro & María Encarnación Cepeda, and his grandparents José María Navarro & Fernanda Saravia and Rafael Cepeda & Rosa Saucedo.
Victoriano Navarro was from Ocotlán, Jalisco. He and his son José Guadalupe moved to Coahuila.
On 1835 he married Victoriana Elizondo (widow, great-grandmother of President Madero). They had three children: Ma. Refugio, Ma. Isabel and Raymundo.
After Victoriana died, he married her niece Ma. Manuela de la Garza and they had six children: Ma Isabel, Victoriana, Serapia, Luís Manuel (4th Mayor of Torreón), Beatriz and Gilberto.
He died on 1873.
Y-DNA testing indicates this Navarro lineage belongs to Haplogroup R1b1c, which originated among the Cro-Magnon men who populated Europe about 30 thousand years ago.
I’d appreciate any information on these families.

Hola, estoy buscando información biográfica y genealógica referente a Victoriano Navarro, sus padres Domingo Navarro & María Encarnación Cepeda, y sus abuelos José María Navarro & Fernanda Saravia y Rafael Cepeda & Rosa Saucedo.
Victoriano Navarro era originario de Ocotlán, Jalisco y se mudó a Coahuila junto con su hijo José Guadalupe.
En 1835 se casó con Victoriana Elizondo viuda de Madero (bisabuela del Presidente Madero)y tuvieron tres hijos: Ma. Refugio, Ma. Isabel y Raymundo.
Luego de enviudar de Victoriana, se casó con la sobrina de ésta, Ma. Manuela de la Garza, y tuvieron seis hijos: Ma Isabel, Victoriana, Serapia, Luís Manuel (4º Presidente Municipal de Torreón), Beatriz y Gilberto.
Murió en 1873.
Pruebas genéticas del cromosoma Y indican que ésta rama de la familia Navarro pertenece al haplogrupo R1b1c, mismo que se originó hace unos 30 mil años entre los hombres de Cro-Magnon que poblaron Europa hace uso 30 mil años.
Agradezco cualquier información sobre éstas familias.

I have just uploaded photos from my trip to Mexico last month. I have put them in the Albums section:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15543

There is a photo in there of the cornerstone of the first school in Totatiche, Jalisco which was opened in August of 1725 and apparently the teacher was an ancestor of mine by the name of Joseph Cayetano Grano.

There is also a photo of my father with the town historian (cronista) Estaban Valdes Salazar, to whom many of you donated money for his projects.

There are more photos (not necessarily of historical value) on my family website at:

http://www.ramosfamily.org/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=22

I have extended my Esparza line in Zacatecas I have a Francisco Esparza (b. abt 1830) and his wife Maria Luz Avila (b. abt 1835) if anyone can help me please contact me at my email: mormonboy74@hotmail.com THanks.

>
> Hello Juanita,

Sorry for the length of time it took me to reply, but this book does not
have an index and I cannot do quick lookups. That is why I didn't make an
offer to the group and was only able to respond previously when the page
number was quoted.
Anyway, here is what I found:

Pages 6 to 7 - El Padron de Tetlan en 1541.
- DELGADILLO, Francisco. Natural del Val de Santo Domingo en Toledo. Hijo
legitimo de Pedro Cuadrado y de Maria Villaverde. Se caso con hija de
conquistador.

- DELGADO, Juan. Originario de Sevilla. Hijo legitimo de Francisco Moron y
de Maria Sanchez. Servia de Interprete. Caso y tuvo 3 hijos

Pages 132 to 133 - Familias de Tlaltenango 1626-1695.
-DELGADO FLORES, Juan, soltero, vecino del Teul, caso el 26 Marzo 1636 con
Maria de Saucedo, doncella vecina de Tlaltenango.

There may be names that I missed, because without an index, I could only
scan as best as I could without reading the book in its entirety. I hope
the above helps!

Maria

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 08:22:15 -0800 (PST)
> From: juanita delgado
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] announce Digest, Vol 11, Issue 4
> To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <20061218162216.17069.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> HELLO,
>
> I SEE WHERE SOMEONE HAS A BOOK "FUNDADORES de NUEVA GALICIA" I BELIEVE
> ZACATECAS IS INCLUDED IN THAT AREA. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY
> DELGADOS FOUND IN THAT BOOK. THEY WOULD BE FROM SAN MATIAS, PINOS,
> ZACATECAS. I GOT A LITTLE INFORMATION ON A JUAN DELGADO, BUT NOT ENOUGH. I
> AM LOOKING FOR FRANCISCO DELADO, BARTOLOME DELGADO.
>
> THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> JUANITA G. DELGADO
>

there seems to be some confusion both with the new members and the old
members so I am going to attempt to clear it up.

To be a life time member of the group all you have to do is submit a
representative tree _once_ (only once) and nothing else will be required
of you ever (and ever).

So I don't want you all to think I'm going to be asking for more and
more and more. Just meet the initial requirement and you're in, end of
story.

HOWEVER (however's are just like but's) however nothing says that you
all can't go wild and VOLUNTARILY upgrade and submit new files to your
folders. That is strictly on a volunteer basis.

On a related note I would ask you one favor please. If you have sent in
your genealogy and are now set for life then please wait until Feb 14th
or later before upgrading or submitting new genealogies. I'm going to
have my hands extremely full checking everyones folder and see who has
and hasn't submitted genealogies so I can be ready for the big cut on
Feb 1, 2007

I hope that clears things up. Also if you are unsure if you have or
haven't submitted a genealogy (hmmm) well here is how to find out: go to
nuestrosranchos.org and log in, then go to the files and under members
genealogies see if you have a folder in that long list. If you do the
click on it and see if you have a genealogy file/report in there or a
link to your online work. If you have something in the folder as in a
file or report you're set if not but have submitted a gedcom you're set.
If you haven't submitted a report/file and have no link to your online
work or have not sent in your gedcom then you're falling short of
meeting the requirement and will be unsubscribed on 01 Feb 2007

email me at makas@nc.rr.com if you have any questions but IF you know
you've submitted something just confirm it for yourself.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Dear Ranchos members,

Tomorrow the Northern California group of Ranchos is going on a Genealogical tour of the Bancroft Library in Berkeley Calif. Maria Cortez has made arrangements with the curator of the Western Americana collection for a tour, thank you Maria.

If anyone has a specific request or lookup, please let us know so we may put it on our radar. Sorry for the late notice, should have sent it sooner. We leave early in the morning, that means you must submit your request by this evening and we will try to accomodate your request.

Alicia Carrillo,
San Jose, Calif

On the subject of building accurate, easy to follow pedigrees:

The following is an excerpt from the latest newsletter from Pat Gooldy of Ye Olde Genealogy Shoppe in Indiana:

"One of the pitfalls in searching huge databases is the peril of finding a name and assuming that is the individual for which you are searching when indeed that gentleman is not the right age, not in the right place, and indeed, is not related to your fellow at all. That only leads to mythology, not genealogy, and many miffed and confused descendants wondering why they can not follow the scenario for the family you have built. You are building not a pedigree, but a nightmare for your descendants.

Genealogy means many small steps taken in the effort to build a pedigree. Each step must be tested in many ways to be sure it is not a mis-step. The larger the database, the more options you have, but also the more risk of making a mistake".

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

Test for Joseph

(Espanol sigue abajo)

I have noticed that many of the new members' genealogy files in the files section are not in a standard genealogy report format. That makes understanding the information very difficult and therefore takes away from the value of the group, which is to share information.

As this is a group for serious genealogy researchers, I think it behooves every member to understand and use (as much as possible) standard genealogy reports when sharing genealogy information. A good place to start for those that do not yet have sophisticated genealogy software (such as FamilyTree Maker or Legacy Family Tree) would be to dowload PAF, which is available for free from familysearch.org. You can download free user manuals from the site as well:

http://www.ldscatalog.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?cat…

Cindy's list has a comprehensive list of genealogy software along with articles that compare and review the software:

http://www.cyndislist.com/software.htm

== ESPANOL ==
He visto que muchas de las genealogias de los nuevos miembros en la seccion de carpetas de archivos no son reported estandares de genealogia. Eso resulta en que la informacion sea dificil de entender y a causa de esto disminuye su beneficio para el grupo, ya que no se comparte la informacion.

Como un grupo de genealogistas serios, yo creo que es la responsabilidad de cada miembro entender y usar (cuando posible) reported de genealogia estandares cuando compartimos informacion genealogica. Para aquellos que aun no tienen software de genealogia avanzado (tal como Family Tree Maker o Legacy Family Tree), seria bueno descargar el programa de PAF que queda disponible gratuitamente en familysearch.org. De ese sitio tambien se pueden descargar los manuales para el software:

http://www.ldscatalog.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?cat…

Cindy's list tiene una lista comprensiva de software genealogico asi como una lista de articulos que critican y comparan las varias opciones de software:

http://www.cyndislist.com/software.htm

!Hola! me da mucho gusto saber que existe un grupo tan animado buscando las raices de nuestros antepasados ,espero yo tambien poder contribuir en lo que pueda.Mi objetivo es poder hallar informacion de la siguiente familia;Justo Martinez(bisabuelo) Francisca Contreras (bisabuela),Dominga Martinez Contreras (abuela), Toribio Casas (abuelo).Dominga tuvo una sobrina llamada Maria de Jesus Martinez y su esposo Manuel de lara y ellos tuvieron un hijo en 1944 que se llamo Ramiro De lara Martinez.Que tengan mucho exito en su busqueda.Carlos s Casas www.nuestros ranchos.com/node/15508 Joseph contestando a tu pregunta ;creo que Temaxcal no era un apellido sino un pueblo y creo que por eso estaba escrito en la tarjeta que le mando su sobrina.hasta luego!!!

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Mickey was very kind to ask George Ryskamp for his input about Bill
Figueroa's question. He is very busy right now making preparations for a
trip to Spain and he said:

He would search the Argena Website, He said early land grants would be
under "Tierras". He thinks that you would find the info in both the
Argena, (Archivo de la Nacion) and Archivo de las Indias.

joseph

ps: thanks Mickey

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Hi Patria & anyone interested in Ayotlan,
I have created a Ayotlan folder under Jalisco. I have posted 1 photo of Ayotlan so far and will be putting another 40 photos or so to share with all of you when I get an opportunity. These photos are from a trip that I took with my husband and my mother to Ayotlan back in 2004.
Yolanda

----- Original Message ----
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 5:20:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ayotlan, Santa Rita, Jalisco

Patricia -

Thanks for that great article with all those photos. My husband's ancestors, the Villalobos, Morones, and Peres were from Ayo El Chico, now Ayotlan. I printed out the article and most of the photos for him.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: patricia burton
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:07 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ayotlan, Santa Rita, Jalisco

Dear Group--

I came across this site on Wednesday--

http://www.stormlake.com/mexico/index.htm

which shows Santa Rita, Jalisco, where my husband was
born. Apparently a delegation of people came from
Iowa in 2005 to visit. I know that there are a few
people who are researching in Ayotlan, which is also
featured, so this might be of interest to them.

On our trip to Santa Rita in December, I took quite a
few pictures. If you would be interested in seeing
what the land looks like around Santa Rita and this
part of los Altos, send me an email at
canprin@yahoo.com.

Sincerely,
Patricia Diane Godinez
AKA Patricia Burton