Nuestros Ranchos Site

this is exactly like I feel and thanks to Jonathan for expressing my
feeling. also thanks for the admonition to calm down I needed it.

thanks again Jonathan for the hard work you have done for many members
of the group. You are a great contributor to what makes the group great.

thanks,

joseph

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [Nuestros Ranchos] Join Rootsweb: Nuestros Ranchos Members
facing the gallows!
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:53:07 -0700
From: Mexican FHR
To: Puentes, Joseph

Hello,

I have seen the growth of the Ranchos group, from the beginnings to the
present. And I may not be as frequent or vocal of a member that I should
be. But when I read, Joseph's response, I can understand his point of view,
and also the point of view of the members.

So I, would like to put in my 2 cents, on this discussion.

First, of all, Joseph calm down, I am sure that the statement about
"satisfying Joseph" was not made to offend. But if it was those members,
deserve what they reap. So, please don't be offended, by the statement.
And please, pretty please, keep up the hard work and effort that you do on
behalf of the Ranchos community.

Second. The requirements of membership into the Ranchos and Nuestros Ranchos
community were established by Joseph, back in about February of 2003. And
every person, who has wanted to join the Ranchos and the Nuestros Ranchos
groups, and even the Ciudad Juarez group, has had to agree, to those
requirements. Several times, there have been polls about changing the
requirements, for membership. The results, of the polls, have been to leave
the requirements, as they are now. So it is not just about satisfying
Joseph. It is about satisfying the requirements established by the group
membership.

As Joseph, stated there are many, many other internet groups, out there is
Cyberspace, that deal with the states of Aguascalientes, Jalisco, and
Zacatecas (the 3 states covered by Ranchos) and for the rest of Mexico. I
can tell you, that Ranchos is by far the most valuable and the best group
out there. Why because, one of the requirements of membership, is that we
do our own research. That we work, looking for our ancestors and kindred
dead, using whatever resource, which we can get our little fingers on. Yes
that includes looking at what other researchers have complied, using other
researchers to do lookups, to do research that we can't do for ourselves, or
to help us satisfy the Group's requirements. But we do research, we do our
homework. Not like on some of the Rootsweb sites, which post: "I want to
know everything about the Puentes surname.", "My family is from Jalisco,
could someone send me, my pedigree chart with at least 10 generations." And
so on. I am sure that any of you, who are subscribed to any mailing list or
message forum, have seen such messages. They do not generate much interest
or responses. Where as here in the ranchos group, the research questions,
are what I call intelligent questions. We have done our homework, before we
ask the question. Sometimes, I know we are at a brick wall and send out a
message of despair, trying to see if some one else in the Ranchos Community,
can help us. As far, as I am concerned, that is fine. Because, the members
of the Ranchos group, have already paid for the privilege of asking such
questions, with their completion of the Ranchos requirements.

I too have offered in the past, to help the members, of the Ranchos
community, with meeting the requirements and with their research. At times,
I may be slow, and other times I may have dropped the ball, on responding to
and answering questions. Please remind me, when I do.

And last of all, the requirements, for group membership are not that hard to
meet. If you don't have your report ready, talk to Joseph, it is as simple
as that. For example, I don't have any Mexican Ancestry in my blood. But,
my wife is from Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico. And I am doing the
research, for her lines in Mexico. Also, wife doesn't have any lines, which
go through Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua. But I belong to the Juarez group.
!!!Why?!!! Because I wrote. And asked Joseph, if I could join.

Thanks for hearing me out. And Remember that the requirements are not
Joseph's requirements, but the requirements of the Ranchos community.

Jonathan Walker

AKA Mexicanfhr

-----Original Message-----

From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
Puentes

Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 2:02 PM

To: general@nuestrosranchos.org

Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Join Rootsweb: Nuestros Ranchos Members
facingthe gallows!

Ernie Alderete wrote:

> If we fill in a few blanks, that should satisfy Joseph.

>

I don't think you are understanding. Right now there is a group for Jalisco
on Rootsweb. Right now there is a group for Zacatecas on Rootsweb. Right now
there is a group for Aguascalientes on Rootsweb. Why was it necessary to
build "Ranchos" and then "Nuestros Ranchos" since these groups were already
in existence? In fact Ernie why did you join "Nuestros Ranchos" since these
groups were already in existence?????

I think many members of the group agree with the idea of trying to keep
"Nuestros Ranchos" for those that are serious about their genealogy. So then
why the statement about satisfying "Joseph"? It's not about satisfying
joseph it is about being serious about your research or at least "lifting
your finger" the smallest bit to imitate someone who is serious about their
research.

Also think about my "joke" of a definition of being serious:

1) agree to do your own research

2) demonstrate that by sending in a representative tree showing your
connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. BUT if you are just
beginning and have NOTHING to submit then submit a sample of your family's
Oral History that indicates you have a connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas,
and/or Aguascalientes.

The above two requirements are all it takes to become a life member of the
Nuestros Ranchos group. To meet those two requirements requires just the
smallest bit of effort and about 10 minutes of time. Imagine this scenario.
The laziest genealogist in the world wants to be a member of Nuestros
Ranchos because he/she doesn't want to "lift a finger" to do a bit of work
in searching for their own roots. . .no they would much rather find others
to do the work and "prey" on those that do all the hard work and when they
find one that has tapped into one of the branches of their tree they swoop
in and gather all the information saying thanks as they build and build and
build on their genealogy having done none of the work. *[rofs] Anyway to be
a member for life would require just opening up an email to
moderator@nuestrosranchos.org and just writing down the names of their
grandparents and telling where they were from also maybe tossing in a
"guessed" date of birth and matrimony. Now imagine that you find a person
that is just not willing to even do that or even to email the moderator and
ask for an extension because sending in that 10 minute email is just too
laborious of a task to accomplish during the holidays. Well let me tell you
what, if they are unwilling to even contact me or unmotivated to write a 10
minute email then they don't fit into this absurd definition of a "serious
researcher."

Do me a favor and drop the phrase "satisfy Joseph" it offends me.

I'm trying my hardest to keep this group from becoming another Rootsweb.

. .because if it does become another Rootsweb then there is no reason for it
to exist. And believe me to drop the requirements for membership will mean
becoming just like Rootsweb.

I would like to invite every member who wants Nuestros Ranchos to be like
Rootsweb to just unsubscribe themselves and participate more on Rootsweb.
Below are the instructions for joining the Rootswebs email lists for:
Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes.

joseph

I'm not into poetry but every once in a while a poem comes along that
rocks me. Listen to "My Roots Run Deep" by Bobby LeFebre. Also listen to
the entire Tiahui Podkast #5 for other poetry especially a poem by Lil
Milagro that gives a Women's perspective about War and those that suffer
in its aftermath.

the http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast project is happy to have
received permission to link to the Tiahui Podkast:

http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/podcast/poetry.html#tp

*Tiahui Podkast: "My Roots Run Deep" © by Bobby LeFebre*

===> Click to Hear Tiahui Podkast: "My Roots Run Deep" © by Bobby
LeFebre
(http://nuestrosranchos.podlot.com/BobbyLeFebre.mp3)

===> Click for a Word File of: "My Roots Run Deep" © by Bobby LeFebre

(http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/MyRootsRunDeepByBobbyLeFebre.doc)

The *Tiahui Podkast*: http://www.tiahuipodkast.com/ produced by Cisco
Gallardo is bringing forth a variety of information and
audio about the Chicano community. Please go to the Tiahui Podkast
website and subscribe to the podcast via their RSS feed:
http://rss.mac.com/tiahui/iWeb/tiahui%20podkast%20/Podcast/rss.xml

*TIAHUI PODKAST #5*

===> Click to Hear Tiahui Podkast #5 15 Dec 2006

(http://www.tiahuipodkast.com/sounds/tiahuipodcast5.mp3)

Friday, December 15, 2006
~::Cafe Cultura::~ "Indigenous Unity! ¡Unidad Indigena!"
December 8th, 2006
http://www.myspace.com/cafecultura

Agradezco al grupo por aceptarme participar en nuestros ranchos; espero poder entender las reglas del grupo y aprender como puedo participar.
Muchas gracias.
Juan Luis Gomez

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En cuanto a mis antepasados son
bisabuelo paterno Bruno Gomez Uribe., nacio en San Felipe Cuquio, jal.
Bisabuela paterna Maria Cruz Ponce , casados el 18 de Agosto 1875, en San Felipe Cuquiop, Jalisco

abuelo. paterno Jose Dolores Gomez Ponce . nacido en San Felipe Cuquio, Jal.
abuela. paterna Maria Diaz Saldaña , nacida en San Felipe Cuquio, Jal.
Padre Juan Gomez Diaz nacido en San Felipe Cuquio, Jalisco el dia 14 de Febrero de 1919.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tatarabuelo materno Gonzalez
Tatarabuelo materno Francisco Vallin nacido En Yahualica, Jalisco
Bisabuelo materno Pascual Gonzalez nacido Yahualica, Jalisco
Bisabuela materna Paulina Vallin Nacida Yahualica, Jalisco
Abuelo materno Ramon Moreno Garcia nacido en Tequila, Jalisco
Abuela materna Maria del Pilar Gonzalez Vallin Nacida en Yahualica, Jalisco el dia 11 de Octubre de 1895
Madre Guadalupe Moreno Gonzalez nacida en Guadalajara, Jalisco el dia 23 de Septiembre de 1923
Juan Luis Gomez Moreno nacido en Guadalajara, Jalisco el dia 1 de Marzo de 1952 en Guadalajara., Jal.

Saludos a todos los del grupo.

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I just arrived this morning from Los Angeles and finally have a moment to catch up on Nuestros Ranchos postings. I wanted to share a bit about my trip to Mexico this year. While I was down there for a wedding and therefore largely busy with family events, I did get some genealogy-related things done.

Perhaps the most interesting was a visit to a rancho in Totatiche, Jalisco named Charco Hondo. The rancho was perhaps the first permanent Spanish settlement in the region as all of the towns including Totatiche and Temastian were indigenous (mostly Tepehuan) settlements. The 1770 census of the rancho shows a population of more than 300 inhabitants which means it was quite a vibrant place at the time.

What drew me there was a mention in a book of a cornerstone in one of the old buildings on the rancho with an inscription describing the building as a school whose teacher was a certain Joseph Grano... who happens to be my ancestor 7 times over. I got to see and touch the stone with the date of August 1725... the building, made of stone is largely intact... the roof collapsed several decades ago and has been replaced but the walls and door are clearly the originals. There are many other ruins in the rancho, mostly adobe and therefore much more deteriorated. There are also the ruins of the original dam built on the rancho, also in the early 1700s. It was amazing too see, feel, touch and smell these lands of my ancestors.

I will share photos in the following days.

I also went to the Centro Universitario Norte of the Universidad de Guadalajara, which is located in Colotlan, Jalisco. It is a beautiful campus with a great bookstore of local microhistory, anthropology, etc. I bough several books which I will also inventory for the group in the coming days.

According to the book by Jesús Gómez Serrano "Los españoles en Aguascalientes durante la época colonial", in 1792 visiting dignitary José Menéndez Valdés compiled a population census of the district of Guadalajara, which underlines the importance that Aguascalientes had as a final destination for many spanish and portuguese immigrants. Along the same lines, the local "padrón de población" compiled by Félix Calleja in 1792, confirms the data gathered by Menéndez Valdés and includes the name, origin, age and occupation of european immigrants or "españoles" that lived in Aguascalientes.

I believe that the "Padron de Aguascalientes of 1792" can be a useful tool for those of us doing genealogical research. Although I am interested in several families who lived in Aguascalientes at that time, the most important for me is the family of my 4th great-grandparents Vicente Ruiz de Esparza and Rafaela Trillo y Delgado (his 2nd wife). According to the "Padrón de Aguascalientes of 1770", Vicente and his first wife Catharina de Orosco y Ralla lived in a house located on "Calle de la Merced" with their 24-year old son Joseph Cayetano Ruiz de Esparza. After his first wife died in 1775, Vicente remarried and had four sons from his second marriage, among them my 3rd. great-grandfather Francisco Antonio Abad Ruiz de Esparza, born in Aguascalientes in 1781. Both Vicente Ruiz de Esparza and Rafaela Trillo y Delgado died in 1797.

I believe that this family still lived on "Calle de la Merced" in 1792 and would appreciate any information concerning the whereabouts of the original "padron de 1792" or any other information about my ancestors. I can reciprocate by looking up information about your ancestors on my copies of the "padrón parroquial de 1770" and the first "padrón parroquial de 1648".

Guillermo Figueroa Strecker

Dear Ranchos Members;

I would like to take this opportunity to thank each and everyone of you for your contributions whether major or minor to this group. You know something is great when you cannot imagine life before you had it. It's like the microwave or the toaster, they just sit there on your counter and you may choose to use it or not but when you need it and it's not there you know you have to have it. All of you are like my microwave, or toaster, each a different brand, color, size and shape but useful and indispensable none the less. I can't imagine life without Nuestros Ranchos and that means "YOU"

But most of all I owe a big Abrazo to Joseph Puentes and Arturo Ramos, Joseph for having a vision of an on-line Genealogical Group and for making his vision a reality and Arturo for taking The Ranchos Group and turning it into the Mega Nuestros Ranchos that it is today. Arturo and Joseph are each forward and optimistic looking individuals and while I don't personally know you Arturo, I thank you for all you have done in 2006 for Nuestros Ranchos. I know I can't begin to imagine how much work this is for each of you.

I know there are others who have made substantial contributions to this group in support of our common goal, to search for our ancestors and learn of our history, you know who you are and my hat off to all of you!

The stockings were hung by the chimney with care...................May your stockings be filled with great love and much joy!!
Happy Christmas to all and to all a good night.............Feliz Navidad a todos!!

Su Amiga,
Alicia Avelar, Olmos, Aguayo, Ruiz, Esparza, Jauregui, Muños, Muños, Olazaba, Ortega de Carrillo
San Jose, Calif.

this is already in the links page but thought I would re introduce it
since I just saw it again on the Scout Report:

4. David Rumsey Map Collection: Antique Atlases
http://www.davidrumsey.com/atlases.html

The world of antique maps and atlases is a wide one, and includes such fine
volumes as the exquisite atlas of New Spain created by Alexander von
Humboldt in 1811 and Mitchell’s School Atlas of 1847. These atlases and
hundreds more can be viewed at this site, provided courtesy of the David
Rumsey Historical Map Collection. Online since 2000, the antique atlas
section is divided geographically into smaller sections that cover North
America, Africa, and Europe. After clicking on over to one of these
sections, visitors will be presented with a complete list of the available
atlases. As the site utilizes the powerful Insight Browser, visitors can
scroll around on each document at their leisure, zooming in and out along
the way. [KMG]

To subscribe to or unsubscribe from the Scout Report or in text or HTML
format, go to:
http://scout.wisc.edu/About/subscribe.php

Thanks for your comments Gary and thanks for your efforts with the
Mexico DNA project. I hope your holidays are blessed and prosperous.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DNA Genteic Genealogy
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 01:54:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Gary Felix
To: Joseph Puentes

Feliz Navidad Joseph. Very good explanation.

An additional help is finding relatives of a different surname, which is
frequent in our culture. Some of our ancestors took surnames on their
Maternal side.The Salinas surname is frequent enough in Northeastern
Mexico and in our project's results to possibly connect to Don Pedro
Salinas who was an early settler to the region. Our project's Salinas
can't quite trace back that far to confirm but we have recently found a
Longoria with the Salinas Ydna. This connection is significant in
that Javier Salinas a founder of Mier Tamaulipas married a Longoria. A
similar situation occurred connecting the Garza and Trevino names only
this was verified by paper trail.

There weren't that many settlers in Northeastern Mexico and many lines
daughtered out (did not leave male line relatives). Many are the
descendants of the surviving lines in this part of Mexico. This is
similar to what happened in Northwestern Mexico. If you see the project
page we may have identified a founder NW Mexico lilne in the Robles
surname.

The founders leave the most descendants.

Gary
http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm

*/Joseph Puentes /* wrote:

since I just woke up and you just posted this I'll toss in a comment
but
I'm by far no expert in DNA (I've CC'ed Gary Felix - Hi Gary. . .Feliz
Navidad - of the Mexico DNA project to comment if I totally miss the
boat on something: very possible):

to help your genealogy along using DNA you want to work with a Y-DNA
work up which is the one passed along through male individuals from
father to sons. mt-DNA is passed on from the mother to both sons and
daughters. So you can do your Y and mt DNA, but from my understanding
Y-DNA is much closer in time span to our present time while mt-DNA
skips
back many many thousands of years back so it is harder to find a match
with someone who you can prove is your relative via a written document.

So what you do is have the 25 or 37 marker or even the next one 67?
marker test (the more markers the more likely you're a match if both
indivduals test the same). And you use it to compare first with
indivduals that have the same surname and you think might be your
relatives. If you all come up a match then you are related.

Then the way you advance your genealogy is to hope that the person you
matched up with has advanced their genealogy in a direction that will
help you. Otherwise you will be the one to help them. Then again on
some
lines maybe you'll be able to help each other.

well I'm sure I might have worded wrong and I'm hoping others will
comment.

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

I would like to thank my recent found Cousin Linda from Everett. She has given my a great Christmas gift one I found a lost cousin I thought I would never find. My parents know her Gutierrez relatives very well but never met Linda. We have reunited a lost line. She has also helped me extend my Mendez line a lot. My Mendez line started from 1840 to 1750 thanks to her. I thank you Linda, I don't know how I would of continued my genealogy without your help. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone to this wonderful group. God Bless all of us with health and desire to continue our genealogy. -Daniel of San Jose, California.

How does this help one's genealogy? I heard you can see where you and someone else like Royal shared a common ancestor at one point. Can it extend your genealogy any further by doing this?

Is anyone researching the Lopez line in Huanusco Zacatecas?

Here is my oldest Lopez of my line... Ramon LOPEZ (b. 1802) and his wife Crisanta Esparza (b. 1810)

Any help is appreciated.

My gedcom is now available for those group members who would like to view my genealogy. Something everyone on this group should notice when viewing it is that almost all of my ancestors on my Mother's side intermarried and may apprar more than a couple times sharing the same ancestors. Kind of confusing when I was doing my genealogy. All of my grandparents are at least 2nd cousins at least back to 1830. Hope you all find it useful and interesting. Daniel of San Jose, California

Fernando,

continuo aqui el mensaje que mande por error sin terminarlo...

¿Te queria preguntar que apellidos investigas tu? Mencionaste el apellido
Rostro, pero no recuerdo haberlo visto en los microfilms de Cuquio. Aunque
eso no quiere decir nada, ya que no es un apellido que yo este buscando.
¿Cuales son los apellidos que buscas en Cuquio?

Maria

My parents are Jose Gabriel Mendez Cortez and Ampelia del
Camino Garcia. I was born in San Jose California. On 2 Jun 1992 ( I am 14 years of age) I was born in the
Mormon Church. My grandparents are Martin Mendez Serrano (Feb 1917)
and Maria del Refugio Cortez Moran (1935) she is currently living.
My grandfather Martin died in 2001. My maternal grandparents are
Antonio del Camino Lizalde II (1935) (currently living) and Maria Carolina Garcia del
Camino (1940) she died in 2003. I started Genealogy about 2 years ago. My grandfather started in 1985
so I continued for him and fell in love with genealogy. My hobbies
are golfing, coin and stamp collecting. I descend from Mariano del Camino Martinez who
people call those rich people with those HUGE haciendas from back in
the day but then the government split the haciendas with the poor
which was nice of them. He owned La Luz. in Huanusco, Zacatecas.
I love reading. I like to travel around with my family. I have been told by my grandpa that he possibly descends from King Rizzardo di Camino IV of Treviso he went to a genealogy
conference back in 1987 and a man helped me with a lot of stuff. But
obviosly I don't have evidence of this connection. He is from the 1300's in Treviso Italy. Im pretty young for my age and working on my genealogy but very mature for my age. What I do know is that I descend from the conquistador Lord Juan del Camino de Montanes this was passed down through the generations many of the few things. But then again I also don't haveany substanial evidence of this link. It was said Lord Juan settled at the southeastern edge of Aguascalientes and San Luis Potosi. This was in 1542. He came in 1521 and relocated there. Im at the point that I have connected my Camino ancestors to Calvillo, Aguascalientes. Thanks to Joseph. Thats all about me Thanks to everyone being such great members of this group. Merry Christmas.

Hello,
My name is Lisa Gonzalez, I live in Antioch California. I am researching my mother's side of the family; the Lopez and the Martinez families from Rancho Lo de Carrera, Tenayuca, Zacatecas. Most legal filings were made in Apulco, the nearest "big town."
My grandmother, Maria Guadalupe Lopez was born at Rancho Lo de Carrera in 1909. Her parents, Biviano Lopez and Crispina Martinez left Mexico soon after 1909 (family tradition says 1910) and settled in Morenci, AR. By the 1940s, most of the family had relocated to Los Angeles, or Oakland CA. I know the names of Biviano and Crispina's parents, but that's it.
I will mostly be using library, LDS resources, and the Internet.
I am extremely impressed and fascinated by the action on Nuestros Ranchos. I've been involved with genealogy for about five years and when I came across this site I knew I had finally arrived. I would appreciate any feedback.
I wiish you all a wonderful and fruitful New Year.

Does anyone know where this surname comes from? I know it's not Spain. I found it in several French genealogies as ROLIN. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. HAPPY HOLIDAYS.

Was someone looking for Rancho De los Pajarros? Ifound one in California metioned in a book about early California

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is anyone searching these surnames? around Jalisco and Michoacan, CORTEZ, MORAN, FERNANDEZ, BARRERA, SERRANO, DE LEON, GUTIERREZ, DE LA CRUZ, RUBIO, DIAZ, ACEVES, CERVANTES, VALENCIA, MENDEZ, DE LA TORRE, DE LA CUEVA, GONZALEZ, FIGUEROA, ANGUIANO, DE CARDENAS, ALZARCEZ, DE CARMONA, URSUA, ROLON?

EMILIE I have a grandmother named Maria de Jesus CERVANTES born around 1790-1800 in ZAPOTILTIC, JALISCO. What part are your CERVANTES from in JALISCO? -DANIEL MENDEZ DEL CAMINO

Hello all,

My name is Tony Diaz... I live in Chicago, born and raised on the South Side
(southeast, near the Indiana border). Any South Side Mexicans here with
roots in Zacatecas?

My grandfather was born in or around Momax, about 1890 or so. He emigrated
in 1910 work in the then-booming steel industry here in the city. If anyone
is or has ancestors from this area, any information you can provide to help me
with my budding research project would be much appreciated.

>
> Hola Fernando,

Asi comenzamos todos. Al principio leia y leia pero no hallaba yo por donde
empezar. Hasta que fui al Centro de Historia Familiar y ahi me ayudo una
voluntaria. Este grupo de Nuestros Ranchos es un buen recurso ya que todos
estamos estudiando la misma area. A mi me dio gusto cuando lei que buscabas
archivos de Cuquio. Ya que lleges al 1830 yo puedo compartir contigo lo que
he investigado.

Dime, q

------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 21:21:59 -0800 (PST)
> From: Fernando Perez
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cuquio, Jalisco
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <20061219052159.78767.qmail@web54313.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Mar?a:
>
> Muchas gracias nuevamente por el consejo, la verdad es que entre m?s leo
> de sus correos m?s me doy cuenta de lo que desconozco, fijate que error el
> m?o el de querer conseguir el documento en el registro civil.
>
> Entonces donde tengo que ir a buscar es en la Iglesia de San Felipe.
>
> Tambi?n quiero decirte que si hay una Iglesia Mormona y ya fui y me
> asesoraron un poco y ya orden? dos microfilms el n?mero 0617550 y 0617551,
> lo malo es que creo que van a llegar ahora que voy de viaje.
>
> Lo que voy a buscar es el matrimonio de mi abuela con mi abuelo que debio
> ser por los a?os 1942 a 1947, para as? poder empezar a obtener m?s nombres y
> datos, porque practicamente estoy en cero.
>
> Si hay algo m?s en que creas que pueda ayudarte ahora que voy para
> aquellos lugares, pues piensale.
>
> Saludos
> Fernando P?rez
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: mcortez
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 10:02:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cuquio, Jalisco
>
>
> >
> > Hola Fernando,
>
>
> De antemano te doy las gracias. Te quiero comentar que esta acta
> matrimonial no se va a encontrar en el registro civil. El registro civil
> no
> se establecio en Mexico sino hasta 1859; despues de la Independencia de
> Mexico y las Leyes de Reforma. Donde si se va a encontrar esta acta
> matrimonial es en la Iglesia San Felipe.
>
> Si no encuentras los archivos que buscas cuando vayas a Cuquio yo te
> recomendaria que si existe una Iglesia Mormona con Centro de Historia
> Familiar en tu ciudad ordenes el microfilm del a?o que nacio el ancestro
> que
> buscas. Estos son unos numeros de microfilm de la Iglesia San Felipe de
> 1898 hasta 1949:
>
> Bautismos 1898-1902 VAULT INTL Film
> 615032 Bautismos 1902-1908 FHL INTL Film
> 615033 Bautismos 1908-1912 FHL INTL Film
> 615034 Bautismos 1912-1915 VAULT INTL Film
> 615035 Bautismos 1915-1920 VAULT INTL Film
> 615036 Bautismos 1921-1925 FHL INTL Film
> 615037 Bautismos 1925-1929 FHL INTL Film
> 615038 Bautismos 1928-1932 VAULT INTL Film
> 615039 Bautismos 1932-1937 VAULT INTL Film
> 615040 Bautismos 1937-1941 VAULT INTL Film
> 615041 Bautismos 1941-1945 VAULT INTL Film
> 617000 Bautismos 1945-1949 VAULT INTL Film
> 617501
> Saludos,
> Maria E. Cortez
>
>
>
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 13:07:45 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Fernando Perez
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cuquio, Jalisco
> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Message-ID: <20061217210746.77044.qmail@web54308.mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > Maria:
> >
> > Con todo gusto voy aconseguirte la copia, yo creo que puedo conseguir la
> > copia del registro civil en la presidencia municipal.
> >
> > Y si voy a ir a ambas iglesias, ademas llevo mi camara para tomarle
> fotos
> > a los documentos a ver si no me ponen trabas.
> >
> > Saludos
> > Fernando P?rez
> >
> >

My name is Fernando Pérez, my english it is not good but I will try my best.

Would you help me with my family tree?, because I don´t want to be dropped from Nuestros Ranchos.

Annex you will find my ged file.

Please let me know what else I can do in order to improve me family tree.

Also next month I´m going to travel to Cuquio, Jal. and see if I can get more information about my family.

Regards

Fernando Pérez

----- Original Message ----
From: Ernie Alderete
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; research@nuestrosranchos.org; announce@nuestrosranchos.org; general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 6:10:29 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos Members facing the gallows!

For those of you about to be dropped from our roster I
would like to offer my help in organizing your family
tree, or research objectives.

I am available here in person in San Francsicso, or by
email.
I like working with historical matters.

If you have not submitted your family tree because you
don't feel it is ready, at least let me take a look at
it.

We can work together to get you past the coming
deadline.
We are stonger as a community with you with us.

Christmas greetings to all. Have a happy and healthy
holiday.

Ernie Alderete
47 th Avenue @ Balboa
San Francisco, Ca. 94121

Felicidades Navidenas y Guadalupanas a todos.

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Hello Maureen,
I have ancestors from San Miguel El Alto & Jalostotitlan too. I
have found that sometimes I find them in Jalostotitlan records and
vice-a-versa. You might look into Jalostotitlan for that time period.
One Jalos film even had a separate section from San Miguel. I searched
far & wide for a marriage record for my GGGG Grandparents from Jalos--I
found them in San Miguel. I would check that before looking for
Confirmation records since it seems those have so little info. San
Miguel & Jalos are pretty close to each other.
Suerte!
Irma Gomez Gtz.
Northern Calif.

The LDS gave me an answer on the missing files from 1865 San Miguel El
Alto. They said that either they had been overlooked or had been
destroyed, but that I may write the church to see if they might have the
missing 1865 records. She said I might also try the civil records, but
the civil records did not start until after 1865! For those of you
looking for records in San Miguel El Alto, please be aware that the film
for baptisms 1865 is not complete. Only the first six months of 1865
are contained on the film. LDS said I might also try confirmations.

Now for my questions. Does anyone know how or where to request
historical records from the parish of San Miguel El Alto? Is there a
cost involved and how much? If there is a cost, will an international
money order work to send funds? I have sent for records in the States
and also in the UK, but never for Mexico. Since my Spanish is limited
at best, is there a form in Spanish that I may use? Last but not least,
at what age were confirmations done in Mexico?

Thank you for any help. My aim is to track down Julian Alviso where
ever he may be hiding! He is pretty good at this hide and seek game.
Sooner or later he has to get tired of playing and come out of hiding.

------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 08:57:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sending for Records from San Miguel El
Alto
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID: <20061219165719.14261.qmail@web55211.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Maureen, I found the comfirmation records from Jerez Zacatecas good only
for finding names, no age's or locations of birth. I've found 2 year
olds and 40 year olds confirmed the same day. It appears from the older
records the priest or bishop came from Zacatecas City and did everyone
who wanted confirmation every few years. In fact some records read they
were confirmed in the morning and others in the afternoon.. huge mass
comfirmations. I hope your city gives you more information than mine
did.. but then again, I'll gladly take whatever I can get!
Linda in Everett

Maureen Bejar wrote:

The LDS gave me an answer on the missing files from 1865 San Miguel El
Alto. They said that either they had been overlooked or had been
destroyed, but that I may write the church to see if they might have the
missing 1865 records. She said I might also try the civil records, but
the civil records did not start until after 1865! For those of you
looking for records in San Miguel El Alto, please be aware that the film
for baptisms 1865 is not complete. Only the first six months of 1865 are
contained on the film. LDS said I might also try confirmations.

Now for my questions. Does anyone know how or where to request
historical records from the parish of San Miguel El Alto? Is there a
cost involved and how much? If there is a cost, will an international
money order work to send funds? I have sent for records in the States
and also in the UK, but never for Mexico. Since my Spanish is limited at
best, is there a form in Spanish that I may use? Last but not least, at
what age were confirmations done in Mexico?

Thank you for any help. My aim is to track down Julian Alviso where ever
he may be hiding! He is pretty good at this hide and seek game. Sooner
or later he has to get tired of playing and come out of hiding.

Hi there Linda ,

Yes, it is a super great feeling to see some movement and then to finally have it is really something !
I have a friend that is also working on her Banuelos side of her family , she's trying to get into the group here but is having a little difficulty with her password , Joseph is working with her to get her on board , her name is Cristy . She has info on this side of the world , this side bieng Monterrey , Mexico . I'll let her know about you and maybe the two of you can also make an connection from the two sides .

CYA for now ,
Welester

> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:56:15 -0800> From: longsjourney@yahoo.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Saldivar Zacatecas connection> > Welester, boy do I know that feeling when we connect after a long search.. Every time I see someone in the group share so openly and with documentation I see again why I belong to this group. Some of us take a little longer to gather info but let there be a need, and this group is there for you.. I'm still trying to gather the Banuelos/Quesada info to send back to "La Reina" slowly it's coming together....> Well done group!> Linda in Everett> > Lester Alvarado wrote:> Hi again Esther , > > I got carried away and didn't finish my mail to you he he ;-)> > So , this means that Juans' parents were Agustin and Ana and Agustins' parents were Vicente Zaldivar and Maria Farias Sosa , if this is so then you've just given me the connection from Zacatecas to Nuevo Leon !> > Thanks again and again a
nd again
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