Nuestros Ranchos Site

Family Search has just posted records from Michoacan.

George Fulton

My apologies to the group. I have removed Gloria Fuentes' email list
privileges.

joseph

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http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
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http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

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Subject: [mexicanfhr]
Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 05:19:10 -0000
From: mexicanfhr
Reply-To: mexicanfhr@yahoogroups.com
To: mexicanfhr@yahoogroups.com

I recently asked the group, if any of you would be interested in taking
research classes over the Internet. And I haven't seen any interest.

So, I am asking again, if any of the group are interested in taking any
classes. Because, I am in the process of developing the material. And if
there is the interest, they should be starting up in June.

So I hope, that there are some of you who will be interested in
participating.

Also, if you know of anyone, that is not a member of the group, and
could benefit from the classes, please pass the word along.

thanks,
Jonathan

New records for the states of Guanajuato, Michoacan, Morelos, and Puebla were posted at Family Search today.

Coverage varies for these states (not all towns are included), and not all records for each posted town are included.

Michoacan is included with Guanajuato.

George Fulton
Pleasanton

SORRY TO ALL OUR FRIENDS OF NUESTROS RANCHOS. I JUST DISCOVER THAT MY
PREVIOUS MESSAGE BY SOME TECHNICAL REASON WAS CUTED AFTER THE FIRST
PARAGRAPH, SO HERE IT GOES AGAIN THE FULL TEXT:

1. The true outcome of the Mexican Revolution (Salvador Quirarte)
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The Mexican revolution started is 1910 as the first social movement in the
world of the 20th. century, even before the Russian revolution happened.
The original factors triggering the social explosion of this country was a
reaction to a social and political model established by the Spaniards 400
years before.

Let us remember Mexico was not a single country when the Spanish conquers
arrived. The most advanced group at that time was the Aztec kingdom, but
there were many other different groups and tribes across our lands.

The centralized monarchic model of the Spanish government was imported and
imposed for 300 years by their soldiers to all those tribes, after they have
been defeated or invaded. The Virreinato of the New Spain was divided
in several regional divisions. One of them was Nueva Galicia.

Central Mexico was the richest and more civilized geographical area, so the
conquerors settled in the former Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan (Mexico City)
and expanded their control in all directions to reach all kind of human and
material resources, such as slaves, gold, silver, good land for agriculture,
etc.

The borders were defined all the way down to the limits with South America,
where the other large Spanish Virreinato was established based on the former
Inca´s territory. To the North the borders were defined by the capacity of
the Spanish army to maintain secure Spanish colonial populations under the
attacks of the Indian tribes of North America, that were not so culturally
advanced as the tribes in the south.

Without formal roads and the only way to travel was using mules and horses,
which may take weeks and months. Maintain control and governance over remote
regions was a really hard task. Imagine what means to keep control and rule
over Arizona or California from Mexico City or Madrid.

In the 17th. century the new generations of Spanish descendants already born
in America started to claim their rights to the lands, people and richness
of the Nueva España, that continue to be exported to the Kingdom in Spain.
Most of the economic, social and political decision powers still remained
back there..

It took 300 years to allow that movement to really evolve and empower the
people in America to succeed fighting the war of Independence.

At that point , after the Independence war ended, the government model was
still centralized, that is the same than before. Dozens of internal fights
and local wars between different groups, leaders and former local
tribes happened until Porfirio Diaz took control as President and
established two important values:

- Unification - Either peaceful or enforced with weapons and blood

- Progress - Implementing wide modernization and investment works,
funded by a financial system based in the fortune of a very small number of
rich families, fully aligned with the President Diaz.

Porfirio Diaz remained in power for 30 years consolidating many good and bad
things:

For the first time Mexico was a true country.

There were peace and progress and Mexico moved in to start having industries,
communications as railroads, telegraph &, postal services, education and
universities, roads, corporate businesses, cultural development, art, music
and an identity as one single nation.

On the other side, the price paid by the Mexican people after all those 30
years was very high. No freedom, no democracy, high corruption and no social
evolution and justice.

Those were the critical drivers that triggered the explosion happened in
1910.

A small thinking and educated middle class and the outstanding leaders of
the oppressed and poor people in the lands initiated diverse movements in
different cities and regions, some more civilized as Madero and Carranza and
others with guns and blood as Zapata and Villa, fight hard and offered their
own lives with hundreds of thousands of their followers to change things
around.

After many tries to settle a consolidated government, a new generation took
over and Avila Camacho became president.

He and the three presidents that followed him were the key builders of the
Mexican nation in the 20th. century.

Avila Camacho established a democratic system based in the participation of
all citizens. How he do it?

He invented the PRI, a unique political party that host all political and
social groups and ideologies, assuring their loyalty to the system by
allowing them, and only them to participate and share the benefits of manage
the politics and the public budgets. He was a general, leading the new armed
forces that won over all other groups during the revolution.

Avila Camacho was followed by Lazaro Cardenas, who was also a general of the
army.

He was a socialist, influenced in some way by the innovating ideas of the
ideologists that created the communist movements in Europe. Cardenas
continued and improved the political and social developing and management
system of the government based in one single party (PRI).

But perhaps the three top contributions he had were the following:

1 – He anticipated the importance of the petroleum industry as a great
generator of cash revenue and nationalized the oil industry just when the
WWII was generating great demand and many producers were affected by the
war. So the national oil company started generating a new income to the
Mexican government which by that time did not have a relevant fiscal
capability.

2 – He prepared the future by assigning a civil (not military) candidate to
follow him after his six years period. This change kept out definitively the
military out of the politics and the power.

3 – And may be his most important contribution, was to promote, fund and
sponsor the creation of a new Mexican identity. Musicians as Silvestre
Revueltas, painters as Diego Rivera and David A. Siqueiros, writers as
Salvador Novo, among many others artists and i8ntelectuals contributed to
build a Mexican image, full of roundness and traditions, with a mix of
pre-Hispanic and Hispanic values.

Miguel Aleman became president and leverage in all the successful strategies
of Cardenas, eliminating those that he does not need any more.

Aleman with the new and relevant income of the oil and the global economic
growth opportunity after the WW, implemented a country wide impressive
growth model.

He erased the socialist flavor form the PRI, making attractive the country
for local and foreign investment. As a civilian president he generated
confidence and trust abroad. He built massive public works like highways,
dams, ports, housing, airports, social security. etc. The loyalty model of
the PRI based in sharing of power and budget evolved to become a very
sophisticated model of corruption where almost all participants in the
productive chain of the government budget receive a piece of the benefits.

The result in the short term was peace, progress and jobs.

It is important to mention that as a following trend of the Mexican identity
strategy started by Avila Camacho and Cardenas, Miguel Aleman supported the
development of an outstanding first class film industry. The gold stage of
the Mexican movies with great Mexican actors like Cantinflas, Pedro Infante
and Jorge Negrete, actresses such as Maria Felix, Dolores del Rio and Sara
Garcia and music flourished at that time, displacing Hollywood in almost all
Spanish speaking markets in the world.

When corruption started to spread to all levels, President Aleman was wise
enough to choose a very honest and tough successor.

Ruiz Cortines came in, and realign the rules of corruption placing strict
controls in the government top officials performance.
After Ruiz Cortines, the magic and beauty of the PRI system started to
degenerate. Twenty four years later the PRI lost the presidential
elections.

I am convinced all of the above was the outcome of the Mexican Revolution
Salvador Quirarte

ok estoy tratando de formar mi genealogia"Padilla", mi nombre es Pablo Padilla Munoz, naci en Aguascalientes, Ags en 1953,mi padre Pablo Padilla Correa(1908) en San miguel el Alto , Jalisco; mi madre Dolores Munoz Gutierres (1912), en Las Pilas, Zacatecas; mis abuelos Adolfo Padilla Ramirez(aprox 1863) en san miguel el alto, Manuela Correa Flores( (1871-1932murio en leon); mibisabuelo Manuel PadillaGonsalez (no se si en san miguel aproximadamente en 1820, mi abuela Barbara Ramirez Enrriques aprox. en 1823,mi abuelo tuvo como 16 hijos: como Ludgerio, Sofia, Herlinda, Manuel, Marta, Rosaura Aurora, Trinidad,algunos vivian en Leon guanajuato en el censo de 1930 en la calle b. Dominguez#37, cualquier informacion que pueda anadir se agradecera.

We just unpacked from storage our copy of:

"Genealogia de Nochistlan, Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII segun sus Archivos Parroquiales."
Author is Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias. This was privately printed in 2001, with more than 400 pages, and thousands of surnames in the index, and "data from Jalostitlan, Lagos de Moreno, Aguascalientes, Guadalajara, Teocaltiche, Tepatitlan, San Luis Potosi, Michoacan and more."

It sounds similar to the book "Nochistlan Zacatecas - Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas" that Alicia has. If someone has surnames they would like looked up, we'll give it a try. (Sorry, there's no Corbera, I already checked.)

Gloria Delgado

Hello everyone:

My name is Sandra Perez Diaz and I am new to the group. My interest is in search for my father's family in Ocotlan Jalisco
area.

I haven't had too much luck as of yet in finding information. What I have found is only Baptism records on Familysearch.com

Information found on my father is from Mexico D.F.; Jose Umberto Perez Torres baptized 08Dec 1930, listing his parents names.
His father; Jose Trinidad Perez / His Mother: Gudelia Torres. There is a file number and digital folder number.
Can anyone tell me how would you use those numbers and could they shed any additional information?

I have no information on my grandmother Gudelia Torres other than her name. My father was raised by his father and
his grandparents, he was the only child and I have no other information on her. There was no marriage,
and I've looked at the Mexico Census listing and have found nothing on her.

I found my grandfather's baptism info from Ocotlan; Jose Trinidad Perez was baptised 12 June 1900.
Listing his parents Julian Perez and mother Daria Ayala. I have not found any other information on him.
There is film number and digital folder number listed. Again i ask, what can I do with that information and
would it be useful in any way?

I have been unsuccessful after several hours glued to the computer in finding any information on my great grandparents.
I've search for baptism records and marriage records.

As far a for my great grandfather Julian Perez I know that he was from Ocotlan and or maybe Tototlan. Born either
1874 or 1875. His mother's last name may have been Lomeli, don't know her first name.

My great grandmother Daria Ayala was from Ocotlan. Born either in 1878 or 1879. Her mother's last name would have
Martinez.

Even though I'm getting a little frustrated with the "brick wall" I seem to be facing, I will, of course continue
with my search. Any suggestions are welcomed (please), thank you.

Sandra

My genealogy;
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19508

Luz Montejano's "Archivo de la Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara" gives references to the films where she extracted the data in her book. At least some (perhaps all?) of these references are to the LSD Family History Library microfilm numbers.

At least some of the films are now posted with the Guadalajara, Jalisco records. I've looked up a few, and they are in the Guadalajara, Diocese of Guadalajara, Matrimonios group of films.

If you have the microfilm reference from Luz Montejano's book, you can look up the microfilm at the Family Search catalog website (search by film number). This will give you the years covered on the film; from this you can pick the film with this date range.

To make sure you are looking at the right film, the film number that is on the first or second image of the film must be the same as the reference from Sagrada Mitra.

On any given film, the entries are not in chronological order, and they are not indexed. You will need to do a systematic search to find the records of interest. Note that some of the films are long (I looked at one with more than 1200 images!).

For example: I found the record (dated 10 June 1697, Lagos) for the marriage of Nicolas Macias Valades, morisco, hijo natural of Nicolas Macias Valades, Espanol, and Josepha Rincon, mulata libre. Nicolas (the son) was getting married to Antonia de la Fuente de Araujo, Espanola (padres no conosidos). The film is "Matrimonios, 1689-1796" and the record begins at image 60.

George Fulton
Pleasanton

The MEXICAN revolution started is 1910 as the first social movement in the
world in the 20th. century, even before the Russian revolution.
The original factors triggering the explosion of this country wide explosion
was a reaction to a social and political mdel established by the Spanish
conquers 400 years before, .

Hola mi nombre es María Isabel González de la Torre, soy miembro nueva en el grupo y quisiera contactar a la gente linda que tiene el mismo interés que yo, buscar su historia familiar, para mi es apasionante este tema y me gusta mucho investigar de ello, mi familia tiene sus raices en Jalisco y Zacatecas y quisiera contactar a los que trabajan en esos
lugares especialmente en las locaciones de: Colotlan, Jalisco; Santa María de los Ángeles,
Jalisco; Totatiche, Jalisco; Arandas Jalisco; Tabasco Villanueva Zacatecas; Tepatitlán
Jalisco;Atotonilco Jalisco, Jalostotiltan Jalisco, San Ignacio Cerro Gordo Jalisco, Huejucar
Jalisco, Arandas Jalisco-

Estoy buscándolos siguientes apellidos:

González, Martínez, Cortes, Marques, Solís, Bargas, Romero, de la Torre, Castañeda, Abila,
de Santa María de los Ángeles Jalisco.

Martínez, Rosales, Morillo, Rodríguez, Soriano, Carrillo, González, Montoya, Vera, de León,
Rosales, Romero, Casas, Noriega, Balenzuela, Banegas, de Colotlán Jalisco.

Márquez, Santillán, Solís, Ramírez, Reza, Hernández de Tabasco Villanueva Zacatecas.

Lozano, Elías, Metea, Martínez, de Villa Refugio Zacatecas.

Castañeda, Díaz, de Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román Zacatecas.

Vera, Arellano, de Totatiche Jalisco.

de León, Enríquez, de Huejucar Jalisco.

De la Torre, Gutiérrez, Orozco, Torres, Briseño, Lomelin, Barajas, Navarro, Basquez, Arambula, Alvino, Ruiz de Arandas Jalisco.

Hernández, Ollares, de Atotonilco el Alto Jalisco.

De la Torre, Venavides, de Tepatitlán de Morelos Jalisco.

Gutiérrez, Basquez, Gutiérrez, Aseves, García, Gutiérrez de Hermosillo, Padilla de
Jalostotiltan Jalisco.

También les el mando el enlace para mi carpeta de archivos entre el grupo:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19471

Por favor revísenlo y si alguno ve que tiene conexión conmigo me encantaría tener contacto con ustedes y pueden escribirme a hizabel1@hotmail.com

Pero por favor especifiquen que son del grupo de nuestros ranchos, ya que no reviso correo de desconocidos, así nos iremos conociendo entre familiares, en este grupo ya encontré un primo y me dio mucho gusto tener contacto con él.

Bueno me despido y espero noticias pronto de ustedes, gracias.

Ma. Isabel González de López (siempre uso mi nombre de casada).

Ma. Isabel González de López

I thought that some of you might be interested in checking out the LOC collection of the webcasts of the Hispanic Reading Room.
See here for a listing: http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/webcasts.html

The LOC will soon have a website dedicated to the Mexican Revolution. I will post information when it comes available (should be by the end of the month).

Natalie C Coleman

 Thank you to those who alerted us all on this epic accomplishment. I recorded it last night because 2 hours beginning at 10:00 pm!  I was getting a new cable provider and had to watch it early or lose the recording.

 I was especially impressed with the coverage of oral testament on revolution by two men who had served. 

Equally impressive, the contributions of Campobello and the coverage of the 1968 student uprising. How can 300 students be gunned down by their own government? Please explain. 

Cardenas nationalization of the oil companies was a brave move.  His attempts to enact land reform and other social programs was very notable.  It was touching to see Mr. Katz tearfully express his gratitude to the Mexican government for extending refuge to his family and 30,000 other refugees no  other country would take in.

Mexico has a grand history. I hope I live to see Mexico reach it's full potential as an nation able to fairly provide for it's people. The plight of the poor and indigenous robbed of their land and assets must be cured.
Sylvia Robles
sylrobles@sbcglobal.net

I would greatly appreciate it if someone would please help me interpret a name on a baptismal entry.  I'm trying to figure out the paternal grandmother's name:  Manuela ??  It's Zac, Zac, Sagrario Bautismos 1854-1855, image 74, entry 550.  All thoughts will be considered!!Thank you for your help.
Alice Blake

PBS is broadcasting tonight The Storm that Swept Mexico a 2 hour documentary on the Mexican revolution. I thought you might be interested in seeing and learning about what our ancestors went through. The documentary took 10 years to make. It includes interviews with 4 people who fought in the revolution and footage of battle areas and haciendas. Perhaps some of our ancestors will be mentioned

Aurora Romo

In El Cerrito, CA, on time xfinity cable it will air on KTEH at 9:00-11:00 pm (sunday 15), and 3:00-5:00 am (monday 16), channel 10.

Francisca Cruz Vasquez was born in San Cosme, Villa de Cos, Zacatecas, MX to Dolores Cruz and Lucinana Cruz on June 8th, 1858. I am trying to find out who her brothers and sisters were. Francisca maried Agustin Dominguez in September 10th,1883
in San Antonio, Texas. She had a sister or child named Augustina Vasquez who later married Salvador Vera. Any help would be appreciated.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19500

My full name is: Anna Maria Vasquez - I am the daughter of Carola Lopez Vasquez. I do not know if I have a user name yet but my e-mail address is: annamvasquez@hotmail.com
I fully intend to do all research myself and am wanting access to the records only to further research I have already done and hopefully fill in the missing pieces with identifial baptism, marriage or death verification.
My maternal great-grandmother Florentina Martinez was from Aguas Calientes, Mexico.
My mothers father Bernardo Lopez; my grandfather was from Tlalcosaua Jalisco, Mexico.

I will attempt the Ahnentafel style; but up-front I have to say that there are a lot of missing pieces so I will insert ? marks.

Hi Everyone, I'm new to the site and wish to introduce myself and my quest for information on my husband's family in Aguascalientes. His Great Grandfather was Gabriel Chavez Martinez, who owned and operated silver mines in the Mesillas area of Tepezala, Aguascalientes. He later moved to Aguascalientes City where he owned and operated the Hotel Paris (now a government building) and the first Ford automobile agency in that city. I have been unable to trace him following his birth record, so any help you might give me would be greatly appreciated. Carol Adams-Ramos

I found an entry for my elusive great grandmother on the new Family Search. this record shows two additional parents in addition to the ones I had as her parents.(three sets of parents). I know this is my great grandmother because it shows her husband and two of her children which have been confirmed by source documents. Also shows a variation of her name and a different date of birth. I have checked these new names and have not found anything more. family pedigree with details tab shows person identifier: LHJL-SHJ. What does this mean. Any suggestions as to how to check this out further and find either the submitter of this additional information and/or source documents.Thanks

Hola, para todos los que tengan ancestros en Tecolotlan, Jalisco miren lo
que encontré, lo pueden bajar gratis

http://es.scribd.com/doc/39986340/Esbozos-Historicos-de-Tecolotlan

Dear NGGS:
Wishing you a wonderful conference. I hope all attendees will enjoy it. Wish I was there.
I look forward to reading reports from the attendees and organizers.

Natalie C. Coleman

PS - I consider Cucamonga my stomping grounds, as I lived there with an aunt, when I was in H.S. (Chaffey) and Jr. College, in a house my grandfather had purchased in the 1930's. My grandfather and father had at one time worked for the Italian Vineyard Co, in Guasti, CA. The Ontario International Airport now sits on the land that once were grape vineyards.

Good morning all,

Yesterday Familysearch has finally made the Jalisco records available online. Last night I reviewed the Guadalajara Diocese records for marriage dispensations.......... and I hit pay dirt!

It took some going through. I randomly entered image numbers to find the year I was looking for. They are not in good order.....but once I found the couple, it took me back 3 more generations on one family line.

So if you've got marriage dispensations and it's within the Guadalajara Diocese...this is a must read.

WOW!!!!

Rose Gonzales-Hardy

FYI, Just got this email:

We invite you to be one of the first members of the public to come in and use the new FamilySearch website (new.familysearch.org). FamilySearch is rolling out this website to the public gradually, in this initial phase space is limited. If you are interested, please act quickly. Just click the link below to register.

http://www.familysearch.org/invite/public2

Hello Everyone,
I am researching my family currently from the Jerez Baptism records for 1836. I have noticed a large amount of record with no grandparents listed. Instead, it says "abuelos no dio rason". I've only seen this so far in the Jerez records but don't know what it means since it's on so many records.

Hope someone can tell me what that means??

Thanks,