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Minerva, have you tried locating birth or christening information for your
father? And if he was married or had children in Zacatecas (or anywhere in
Mexico), you might find his parents' and even grandparents' names on the
IGI.

Karr

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] More recent records or IGI batch numbers for
Rincon de Romos, Ags.

My grandfather was born somewhere in Aguascalientes (most likely Rincon de
Romos) in the early 1900s. His name was Isidro Romo. He moved to Juchipila
Zacatecas, where my father was born in 1939. I don't have his parents name,
which makes the search more difficult.

Does anyone have any tips on how to get this information? Thanks

Minerva

Hi Cristobal,

I have some info on VILLALOBOS from Teocaltiche and La Chona on my database.
I'll go through the info on your email this afternoon and I'll get back to
you in a while. I'm pretty much stuck on Pedro Villalobos (natural son of
Margarita Villalobos), married to Maria Apolinar Reyes Serna.

Agapito Villalobos and Rosa Gomez lived in Valle de Guadalupe around 1900.

Saludos,

Ricardo Rodriguez
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

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Hello my name is Cristobal

I am new in the system, I am have 5 years making research about the last
names Villalobos, Quesada, Lomelín and Ortiz.

I would like to know if somebody now about the Villalobos in Encarnación de
Diaz( La Chona), Jalisco. I would like to get information before 1800.

My GGGGrandfather was MarcelIno Villalobos Losano how married with Rita
Lopez Ramirez I think the dates of when the were born or married are bad,
maybe Marcelino married several times.

I send you information about:

Descendants of Marcelino VILLALOBOS Losano

Generation No. 1

1. MARCELINO VILLALOBOS2 LOSANO (FERNANDO1 VILLALOBOS) was born 1792 in
Encarnación de Diaz, Jal, and died in Encarnación de Diaz, Jal. He married
RITA LOPEZ RAMIREZ 1837 in Encarnación de Diaz Jal. She was born 01 Ene
1794 in Encarnación de Diaz, Jal, and died in Encarnación de Diaz, Jal.

Children of MARCELINO Villalobos and RITA Lopez RAMIREZ are:

2. i. FERNANDO3 VILLALOBOS, b. 01 Jun 1838, San Juan de
los Lagos, Jal.

3. ii. ISIDRO VILLALOBOS, b. 1839.

4. iii. NIEVES VILLALOBOS, b. 1844.

Generation No. 2

2. FERNANDO3 VILLALOBOS (MARCELINO VILLALOBOS2 LOSANO, FERNANDO1
VILLALOBOS) was born 01 Jun 1838 in San Juan de los Lagos, Jal1. He married
(1) SEBERIANA CORNEJO 02 Mar 1859 in Encarnación de Diaz Jal, daughter of
FRANCISCO CORNEJO and MARIA VILLALOBOS. She was born 26 Feb. 1843 in
Encarnación de Diaz, Jal. He married (2) MARIA DEL REFUGIO CORNEJO 13 Nov.
1867 in Encarnación de Diaz Jal, daughter of IGNACIO CORNEJO and ANA
CORNEJO.

Child of FERNANDO VILLALOBOS and SEBERIANA CORNEJO is:

i. ANACLETO4 VILLALOBOS, b. 13 Jul. 1862, Encarnación
de Diaz, Jal; d. 01 Ene 1935, San Luis Potosí; m. (1) MARIA DEL REFUGIO
QUESADA, 1890; b. Encarnación de Diaz, Jal; m. (2) BONIFACIA FLORES, 1900;
b. 14 May 1873, Las Trojes, Encarnación de Diaz, Jal; d. 19 Ago. 1973, San
Luis Potosí.

Children of FERNANDO VILLALOBOS and MARIA CORNEJO are:

ii. BRIGIDO4 VILLALOBOS.

iii. MARIA DE LOS DOLORES VILLALOBOS.

iv. FRANCISCA VILLALOBOS.

v. PIA VILLALOBOS.

vi. SERGIO VILLALOBOS, m. MARIA VAZQUEZ, 1905.

vii. MARIA MERCEDES VILLALOBOS.

viii. POMPOSA VILLALOBOS.

ix. RAMONA VILLALOBOS, m. JUAN MAYAGOITIA.

x. MARIA DE JESUS VILLALOBOS.

xi. JUANA VILLALOBOS.

xii. GREGORIO VILLALOBOS, m. MARIA DEL REFUGIO ROMO,
1894.

3. ISIDRO3 VILLALOBOS (MARCELINO VILLALOBOS2 LOSANO, FERNANDO1 VILLALOBOS)
was born 1839. He married JACOBA AGUILERA 14 Jul. 1857 in Teocaltiche Jal
(Señora de los dolores), daughter of JOSE AGUILERA and MA. GARCIA. She was
born 1839.

Children of ISIDRO VILLALOBOS and JACOBA AGUILERA are:

i. PEDRO4 VILLALOBOS, b. 1860; m. ASCENCION OROZCO,
1883.

ii. MAXIMINO VILLALOBOS, b. 1864; m. ANASTACIA LOZANO,
1893.

iii. REFUGIO VILLALOBOS, b. 1868; m. JOSEFA CAMPOS,
1895.

iv. AGAPITO VILLALOBOS, b. 20 Sep. 1871, Encarnación de
Diaz, Jal; d. 26 Abr. 1928; m. (1) ROSA GOMEZ, 1901; m. (2) MARIA GUADALUPE
OROZCO, 1914, Ameca Jal.; b. 01 May 1890, Tototlan Jal.; d. 13 Ago. 1940.

4. NIEVES3 VILLALOBOS (MARCELINO VILLALOBOS2 LOSANO, FERNANDO1 VILLALOBOS)
was born 1844. He married MARIA MORA 1877, daughter of PEDRO MORA.

Children of NIEVES VILLALOBOS and MARIA MORA are:

i. LIBRADO4 VILLALOBOS, m. ELIGIA AGUILERA, 1894.

ii. BRUNA VILLALOBOS.

Best reagrds

Cristóbal Villalobos

This is true Alicia, and thanks for switching the topic we were discussing into a seperate post. Spaniards but namly mediterrean europeans tend to be olive skinned and brownish to black hair. Something Ive learned, blonde and the cloured eyes tend to be in the northern part of Spain, so anywhere from Madrid and the north you'' find your usual blonde blue eyed spaniard who speaks spanish, not saying you wont find blondes in the south but somewhat rare. Those south of Madrid are heavily mixed with Jews and Moors. My mothers family comes from Santander and Burgos almost near france, hence our blonde hair. It is funny how almost all spaniard actors are from the south and hence the films that came out. Spain is a very diversed country as well, Galicianos, Cantabrieuanos, Valencianos, Aragoneses, Castellanos, y Vascos. All whom have their own language together they make up what we know is Spanish but each dialect is very different. Vasco or Euskara is the most complicated it is so
me combination of old Norde and Celtic language. -Daniel
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Corrine Ardoin wrote:

"...I have found Huichol
Indian baptism records in my research in Huejuquilla El Alto. And, I have
found Apache baptism records in my research in Chihuahua and there have been others. This could go on and on.......but like others have said, there are a few "Josefa Valenzuela's" in my family tree, those generic Spanish names assigned to the native peoples of Mexico."

Hi Corrine,

do you know WHEN and HOW they (Hicholes and Apachees) became their Spanish family names? Very interesting.

Best regards from Upstate New York,
Guenter Boehm (esposo de Bertha Boehm, Member of NR)

En Busca de mis Antepasados
http://www.boehm-chronik.com/mexico/antepasados.htm

That is very interesting, our family can trace to the realistas or royalist, :{ I know they were looked down upon for supporting España. This is all "cool" our families had taken part of how México was formed. Miguel Hidalgo, WOW! -Daniel
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Hi Linda and all, Genealogy I think for is perserving our roots, Castellano is our language and
I think its the most beautiful romance language today. I always remember my siblings and I
"sois mejicanos de desendencia española" Those words I will never forget, Although Like linda
said We do focus on our Spanaird lines alot more b/c of less effort. It is much easier. I do know we recieve alot of discrimination from "Mexican people who dont accept us" Just because we have blonde hair and blue and green eyes we still are Mejicanos of Spanish descent, it has been difficult for all of us to call ourselves Mexican because Mexican sumpremacists (like the Mexica movement and La Raza and others. Who only teach Mexicans are brown but this is untrue we come in all sorts of charateristics. Especially when my parents came to the USA
they were told you're aren't Mexican your people are killers which offends a lot, our ancestors did all that but Im not responsible for that. Like the Mexica movement (a racist Mexican group who dont call themselves LAtino or Hispanic want all Europeans to leave the Americas, I was offended when I was told this. Well that was emotional. :( This seems to be a popular saying for Spaniards "you don't know who you are if you don't know where you come from." I was always told this by all grandparents. We are having our family reunion for the Pérez del Camino
this coming month. Everyone still knows Spanish which is good. Sadley we have know diversity, my parent's families were and still are prejudice to other non-whites they still have strong Los Altos prejudice, my father doesnt except my brother's marriage to a Japanese, English and Spanish and Guamanian women, my mother does wince she is a 1/4 spanish. I remember when I told my mother my dad is like 1% black and and some indian she was surprised but very confused. I am proud of my two black ancestors who worked hard and had to sustain alot on thier shoulders. Over time Linda and I line of mulatto became lwhite again, since spanish made sure they were to do that. I have all my lines back to Spain and other European countries know which I am happy they are completed lines, I only have a handful still in the 1700-1800's and am trying to finish those that would be my goal, before I have kids in the future I will make sure where they know where they come from. I am planning to make an organisation or coalition to combat the Mexica movement in the future, why Cant we all live in harmony all colours of people? Viva España y México!

*Very Confused, Daniel Méndez del Camino

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This is an interesting point Diane, Criollos were seen as lower though in the upper middle class still were seen inferior, it is interesting I have some instances where my ancestors would sometimes go back to Spain or Portugal just so they can be born to become a penínsular. Now days Criollos still make about 12% of México population. -Daniel
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Hey Ronnie,

Not according to Jaime Holcome. He said in one of his letters:

"I had thought that the Padillas in Teocaltiche came from the Padilla
Dávilas aka Dávila Padillas aka de la Mota Padillas. Not so, although the
"founding father" also came from Jerez de la Frontera, their distant
relative. The Alderetes descend from him on a female line".

I don't know much about these families.

Bill Figueroa

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From: "Ronald Reynoso"
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 4:14 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juan Padilla y Petrona de Siordia

Hola Every one, Is Juan de Padilla (married to Petrona de Siordia ) son of
one of the Padilla Davilas? I believe someone had mentioned it or I read it
somewhere, can't remember.
Ronnie

Joseph,

How does the groups Banuelos SIG compare with the Ayala and Arriola ydna out on Genealogy of Mexico board? The Ayala there is a direct descenant of Diego Trevino as is the first Arriola there.
--
Esther A. Herold

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>
> So how would we go about finding a direct descendant of Baltasar Temiño
> de Bañuelos??? Are there trees out there for this line already? I'd love
> to compare the YDNA from the groups Banuelos SIG with the YDNA of a
> direct descendant of Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos.
>
> Can someone point me to a direct descendant so I can ask them for a YDNA
> sample???
>
> thanks,
>
> joseph
>
> ps: I've got $20 that I can invest in getting some YDNA testing for a
> direct descendant of Baltasar Temiño de Bañuelos if they haven't already
> done so.
>
> ====================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
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> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
> Genealogy)
>
>
>

Have any of you male Banuelos relatives done DNA testing?
--
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> Greetings from Lockhart, Tx: I need help with backtracking my Bañuelos ancestors. Marcelo Gonzales Bañuelos b 7 Jan 1859 in Juanchorrey Zac, son of Juan Jose Jesus Gonzales and Maria de Jesus Bañuelos b abt 1837, daughter of Anacelso (Aka Cleto) Bañuelos and Clemencia Carlos. Any help is appreciated as
> the present dialogue is very interesting. Thanks - Anita

Patricia,

This is where I got my info:

Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia; Tomo ll
Mariano Gonzalez-Leal
Chapter on "Flores de la Torre", pages 338-341

Sofia
> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:42:14 -0700> From: canprin@yahoo.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Angela de Temiño y Velasco, source details> > Tuesday, August 25, 2008> > Dear Sophia-> > Do you have a Tomo and page number for the information below? I like to have my sources documented, in case a challenge comes up.> > Many thanks.> > Sincerely,> Patricia Burton> San Diego, Ca.
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Hello Phyls,

I imagine that that the Angela your asking about is Angela de Velasco y Figueroa Termino de Beñuelos, who was married to Diego Flores de Torre (1540-1653) Guadalajara.
I have her parents as Francisco Figueroa y Carbajal and Ana Maria Bañuelos.
"Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia"

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84. MARIA BELEN PEREZ LOSANO - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Female Christening: 30 OCT 1843 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

Here is info on your Perez Losano line

7. JOSE YSMAEL PEREZ LOZANO - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Male Christening: 22 JUN 1850 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
66. JOSE DE JESUS PEREZ LOZANO - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Male Christening: 27 MAR 1848 La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

HEre is more kids from Anacleto and Felicitas

1. MA. AURELIA ALBA JIMENES - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Female Christening: 04 MAY 1854 San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico

2. NICOLASA ALVA JIMENEZ - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Female Christening: 11 SEP 1862 San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico

3. ELIODORO ALVA JIMENES - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Male Christening: 08 MAY 1856 San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico

4. MARGARITA ALVA JIMENEZ - International Genealogical Index / MEGender: Female Christening: 10 JUN 1858 San Juan De Los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico

Here is Guadalupe and Cruz's marriage, I would order as soon as possible to extend your tree

IGI Individual Record
FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0

Mexico

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JOSE GUADE. PERES
Pedigree

Male

Family

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

Death:

Burial:

Marriages:

Spouse:
MARIA DE LA CRUZ LOZANO
Family

Marriage:

17 JAN 1843
La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

M602694
1830 - 1857
1155498
Film
NONE

Sheet: 00

IGI Individual Record
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Mexico

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JOSE GUADE. PERES
Pedigree

Male

Family

Event(s):

Birth:

Christening:

Death:

Burial:

Marriages:

Spouse:
MARIA DE LA CRUZ LOZANO
Family

Marriage:

17 JAN 1843
La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico

Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:
Dates:
Source Call No.:
Type:
Printout Call No.:
Type:

M602694
1830 - 1857
1155498
Film

This should be your Anacleto

IGI Individual Record
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Mexico

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Jose Anacleto de Alba y Perez Franco
Pedigree

Male

Event(s):

Birth:

12 JUL 1826
San Juan De Los, , Jalisco, Mexico

Christening:

Death:

Burial:

Parents:

Father:
Jose Maria de Alba y Perez
Family

Mother:
Maria Antonia Felipa Perez Franco y Garcia

Messages:

Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.

Source Information:

No source information is available.
I think now you should at least connect back to the spaniards, I will keep looking hopefuly this link will shoot you into the 15-16 century.

-Daniel Mendez del Camino
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Hi All! I agree with Patricia, family history is fun the hours go by fast. Especially once you connect back to roaylty it is so cool! My favorite ancestor is Carlos V, the most powerful man ever lived (besides Jesus Christ of course)
HE owned all of Spain, the Americas, Nether lands, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Portugal, Italy, Corsica, Sicily, parts of France, Switerzland, parts of Poland. I eventually after college would like to visit All of Los Altos and know where a big chunck of my ancestors lived at one point in Spanish times. I would also like to visit all around Europe since my parents have "a lttle blood of everything" mostly England, Spain, Portugal, Denmark, Italy, Germany and France. I plan to move to Spain eventually and meet all these cousins I hear bet havent met. COunt me in I will visit Yahualica! -Daniel :)
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Hola Claudia:
Curiosamente yo tambien Deciendo de Gonzalez y de Ledezma .Y Ledezma me lleva a Yahualica .
Juan Antonio Ledezma
Chr.12 May 1795
Yahualica,Jal.
Hijo de Jose Antonio Ledezma y Maria Patricia Flores.
Cuyo Microfilm 1152475 Bautizmos 1778-1814 resien me acaba de llegar al Family History Center de Riverside California, pero no he tenido tiempo de revisarlo,si dentro de este microfilm se encuentran tus antepasados hasmelo saber y yo con mucho gusto te mando una copia de la acta de bautizmo de cada uno de ellos.Me perecio haber visto algunos micro flms de Yahualica en ese centro.Mandame los nombres con los #'s de microfilm. Y con suerte encuentras lo que buscas.
Jose Luis Felix
Perris California.

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: claudiacasillas@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:48:29 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] YAHUALICA, Jalisco - GONZALEZ, LISARDE, VASQUEZ, LEDESMA (Marriage films anyone?)> > > Hola amigos, primos and fellow geneologists.> > My search this week is in Yahualica, where I am working on extending my Gonzalez line, and I am stuck. Maybe a fellow member can assist with the following...> > I descend from the Gonzalez-Lisarde, Gonzalez-Vasquez, and Vasquez-Ledesma from that area. I am having difficulty finding the parents in the following marriages that took place at parroquia San Miguel in Yahualica:> > DATE: 25 Apr 1836> GROOM: German Gonzalez> BRIDE: Ancelma Lisarde> no parents listed in IGI> > DATE: 13 Sep 1797> GROOM: Jose Geronimo Vasquez> BRIDE: Maria del Refugio Ledesma> no parents listed in IGI> > Does anyone have access to the films for Yahualica on these dates?> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Res
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Just a common misread when the films were being indexed for the IGI, LISARDE was misread for
LISALDE, of whom are the original family of López de Elisalde. When searching still try to look up with Lisarde since most of them are under that because of a simple mistake. -Daniel
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There are films for "información matrimonial", you should consult the familysearch site catalog. Good luck
 
Leticia Leon

--- El jue 21-ago-08, Claudia_Reynoso escribió:

My search this week is in Yahualica, where I am working on extending my
Gonzalez line, and I am stuck. Maybe a fellow member can assist with the
following...

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Hola Ronnie. No te culpo por estar confundido. It took me a while to
figure out all the connections. What you have is correct, except that
you're missing two earlier generations. Diego Flores de la Torre married to
Beatriz de Anda Altamirano y Castañeda was the third Encomendero de
Juchipila. His parents were his namesake Diego Flores de la Torre and Doña
Angela de Velasco. This Diego was the second Encomendero de Juchipila. His
father Hernán Flores, Conquistador de la Nueva Galicia, married to Doña
María Alvarez de la Torre, was the first Encomendero. This was his second
marriage. His first wife was Isabel de Alvarado, daughter of Gómez de
Alvarado and niece of the Adelantado de Guatemala Capt. Pedro de Alvarado.
As far as I know, there were no children from his first marriage.

Take care, primo.
Bill Figueroa

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Attention Primo Bill Figueroa-Diego Flores de
LaTorre ?

Hola Pariente, perdoname, ando perdido. I have Diego de La Torre married to
Beatriz Anda Altamirano. His son Diego casado con Isabel Arias de Orozco
Valdez. Again his son Diego married to Teresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Where
do I piece Diego con Angela Velasco ?
tu pariente muy confundido
Ronnie