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Corrine:

The Leg in those records stands for "legajo" which translates as "dossier" or "file number." It is very common for Mexican archives to catalogue their collection by collection number, box number and then file number. The census is kept at the Archivo General de la Nacion, where it was filmed by LDS so I presume that the numeration refers to the way the cansus tally sheets are catalogued at the Archive.

However, LDS has put all of the images of the 1930 Mexican census online and they can be accessed by State, Municipality and Locality (pueblo or rancho) at:

http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch

You will need to register for an account, but there does not appear to be any restrictions to registration.

You can then simply click on the "1930 Mexico Census" link and click on the relevant state and municipality.

Thanks Joseph and Arturo,

The greatest thank you is what we get from this group.

Alicia

----- Original Message ----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, August 7, 2008 2:46:50 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Volunteer Thanks: Website-Database Skilled Person(s) Needed! ! ! (4)

I tried to send this to the group a few days ago but didn't see it show
up on the distribution list. some of my messages are not going through.
If anyone else seems to be having this trouble please email me directly
to report this issue (makas@nc.rr.com). Here is that previous email:

I want to take a few lines to thanks our great volunteers.

Arturo and I are your moderators and he is way way beyond a moderator as
our website designer/webmaster. thank you Arturo the group would be
nothing like it is today without you.

Spam Commander is being handled very well by Alicia Carrillo, Thank you
Alicia we need all that Spam killed and you are doing a wonderful job of it.

Translation help for my poor spanish is done by Sandra Gomez Mendoza,
John Gonzalez, and Enrique Legaspi.Thank you all very very much.

Helping me monitor the group discussion are Maria Cortez, Carolina Ramos
and Raymond Jauregui. Thanks much.

For a long time Kitty Cortez was doing both the 15 and 30 day notices
and recently due to family concerns needed to yield that job to Esther
Jordan who is doing the 15 day notices and Juan Jose Ramirez Ibarra who
is doing the 30 day notices. Thanks Kitty, Esther and Juan Jose for the
tremendous job you are doing in keeping our prospective applicants
notified that they need to do something to gain entry to the group.

If anyone in the group has website design, database configuration, php,
drupal, and other www skills and if you want to offer some help please
contact Arturo at moderator@nuestrosranchos.org

Sincerely I thank all of you for the wonderful help you have offered and
that you are continuing in.

joseph

ps: If Sandra, John or Enrique would like to translate this message that
would be wonderful. No need to send it to me just forward directly to
the general@nuestrosranchos.org list.

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Gracias Ricardo
 
Lo quiero invitar a la presentación de mi novela "El quinto sueño."
 
El evento tendrá lugar en Mezcala de los Romero (mpio de Tepa) el 21 de agosto a las cinco de la tarde.
 
Felicidades por lo logrado en la reunión en el Valle.
 
Un abrazo
 
Juan Ramón Alvarez

--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Rick Rodriguez wrote:

From: Rick Rodriguez
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Valle de Guadalupe Meeting
To: announce@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 8:23 PM

Hola a todos.

Solo quería decirles que acaba de finalizar nuestra conferencia de HISTORIA
DE LOS ALTOS DE JALISCO y fue un gran éxito. Tuvimos la asistencia de 73
personas, entre ellas 7 miembros de Nuestros Ranchos y muchos más futuros
miembros, así como cronistas de casi todos los municipios de la región de
Los Altos, invitados especiales, y por supuesto al Dr. Don Mariano Gonzalez
Leal y su familia.

Entre lo más destacado se encuentra la excelente conferencia, única en su
clase, que nos ofreció Don Mariano Gonzalez donde nos platico desde los
orígenes de nuestros ancestros españoles y la formación de su sociedad desde
antes de que vinieran a la Nueva España, hasta los mitos de sefarditas y
franceses alteños. También les platico que el Dr. Mariano nos deleitó las
mentes y nos despertó aun más la ansiedad al darnos la noticia de la próxima
publicación de sus nuevos tomos de RETOÑOS DE ESPAÑA EN LA NUEVA GALICIA,
VOLUMENES I-VII que saldrán a la venta a fines de este año. Don Mariano,
además de honrarnos con su muy grata presencia a esta primera conferencia de
Nuestros Ranchos en Los Altos de Jalisco, nos concedió el honor de utilizar
esta reunión para presentar oficialmente sus nuevas publicaciones
genealógicas, tan esperadas por todos nosotros.

Después de la conferencia pasamos a una convivencia familiar aquí mismo en
Valle de Guadalupe, donde el ambiente que se respiraba era tan placentero
como el de una reunión entre amigos. Aquí aprovechamos la ocasión para
convivir con Don Mariano y con algunos de los cronistas de municipios
alteños como Encarnación de Díaz, San Juan de los Lagos, Tepatitlán, Valle
de Guadalupe, Cañadas de Obregón, Acatic, Mexticacán y Capilla de Guadalupe,
entre otros. Se aprovechó este espacio para hablar con los cronistas de sus
publicaciones, además de la convivencia entre estos y miembros de Nuestros
Ranchos donde se dio el intercambio de información genealógica.

Pero más importante, se dio comienzo a una relación más estrecha entre el
Dr. Mariano Gonzalez Leal, los autores de libros de historia alteña y los
cronistas de la región con miembros de Nuestros Ranchos y personas
interesadas en la investigación genealógica, dando lugar al intercambio de
ideas que nos sirvió de mecha para planear la realización de futuros eventos
como este y fomentar el conocimiento de nuestro pasado genealógico.

Cuando esté listo el video de la conferencia se les hará saber para que los
que estén interesados lo puedan tener, así como las fotos del evento.

Hasta luego y que estén todos muy bien.

Saludos,

Ricardo Rodriguez Camarena
Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

Congratulations Rick!!!
It was a great event and you are a tremendous host. People from different places arrived to Valle de Guadalupe and you made us feel like home. Thank you very much for all your kindness.

Dr. Mariano Gonzalez said that his new child was born in El Valle (7 books of the new edition of "Retoños de España en la nueva Galicia") so Nuestros Ranchos had the privilege of this presentation.

Also, all the chronologists and writters that went to the meeting were very happy and we shared valuable information.
It is going to be hard to improve what you have done but hopefully this kind of events take place more often in other towns of the region.

Congratulations and thanks again

Juan José Ramírez Ibarra
San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco

Claudia,

Do you have any Renteria families ending up in Jalpa, Zacatecas? The farthest I can go back is with my great grandfather Pedro Renteria born ~ 1859 married to Mariana Romero.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Claudia_Reynoso

>
> Thank you Daniel, your explanation makes comeplete sense. I guess this is why
> other predominant families (i.e. Padilla Davila, Temino Velasco, etc.) didn't
> lose the compiled surnames over several generations.
>
> I feel the Reynoso-Renteria clan was a bit looser though, and not always stuck
> to both at all times. In my opinion, this explains why so many of my extended
> family are registered as both (on separate documents), but they are the same
> individual!
>
> AHA!-moment!

Claudia:

I have never been to Cabo San Lucas, but from my other trips to resort cities in Mexico, I doubt you will be able to find a decent book store there.

Genealogy books are generally not printed or distributed by major publishing houses and therefore are not really carried by bookstore chains. Many of the best books on history, ethnography, etc. in Mexico are printed and distributed by Fondo de Cultura Economica, which does have bookstores throughout the country, but they also sell their books online:

http://www.libreriasdelfondo.com/LF_LibreriasFondo2.asp

Another great bookstore chain in Mexico is Librerias Gandhi, which also sells online and ships to the United States. They do have a store in Cabo San Lucas on Calle Morelos s/n, Colonia Centro.

http://www.gandhi.com.mx/

Where is the LUNA connection from (what state/pueblo)?

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Hi Sofia and Maria,

Cemeteries are a rich and wonderful source of genealogical information. I
like to visit the "Cementerio General de Guatemala" every chance I get. It
was built in 1871 at the site of an older cemetery and it has record books
dating from the year it was built. My parents, grandparents and great
grandparents are buried there, plus hundreds of close relatives. The
cemetery is laid out like a small city, with broad avenues and streets lined
up with trees. You can go to the administration office and find out where
your relative is buried. They keep excellent records. You can drive your
automobile right next to the mausoleum and read the plaques on the outside
walls. There is a small archive (two rooms) where you can look up your
ancestor's burial place in neatly kept books. You can even photograph the
pages you would like to have or they can photocopy them for you. Of course,
Guatemala is a city of several million people. In the last few years
several modern cemeteries that look just like the ones in the USA have been
built.

My experience in Mexico has been different. I went to Tepic, Nayarit, in
2002 and 2003 to look for records of my ancestors. My great-grandmother
Josefa Frías Ruiz de Esparza, born in Rincon de Romos, Ags. in 1848 grew up
in Tepic and got married there in 1870. I found her marriage record at the
Cathedral in Tepic and at the Archivo Historico del Estado. The family
moved to Guatemala in the late 1870s or early 1880s.

Of course, one of the first places I wanted to visit in Tepic was the
cemetery where my great great grandfather Antonio Frias Jaso (Josefa's
father) and his son Antonio Frias Esparza (Josefa's brother) had been
buried. So my wife and I headed for the city's cemetery, Panteon Hidalgo.
We stopped at the office where an employee pulled out a card with
information about the burial of Antonio Frias Esparza, who died in 1908. It
had important information, such as the cause of death, age, names of the
parents, etc. The person in charge had no idea where the burial site was,
but said we could go inside and take a look.

The cemetery consists of one street that ends in a beautiful old chapel that
was being restored. No cars allowed inside. The burial sites are scattered
on both sides of that street without any other streets or walkways, so we
ended up reading plaques in hundreds of tombs without ever finding any
relatives. I was told by my cousins in Guadalajara that most old cemeteries
in Mexico are like that. On a recent trip to Aguascalientes, Zacatecas and
Altos de Jalisco I walked into the cemetery at Mexticacan, but could not
find anyone either. It was a tiny cemetery. I imagine other small towns in
Altos de Jalisco have similar cemeteries. Be prepared to spend a lot of
time looking around.

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: "mcortez"
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] General Digest, Vol 31, Issue 2

Hi Sofia,

Funny you should ask about visiting the graveyards in Los Altos. Some
years
back I asked my Dad to take me to the cemetery and he looked at me as if I
had taken leave of my senses. He asked me why I would want to go there and
I explained that I hoped to read inscriptions on the tombstones and gather
genealogical facts that way. He said there were few tombstones and mostly
crosses. After that bit of disappointing news I did not...
Maria

Claudia,
 
My mother used to speak of an adoption further back on our lines.  She said the surname used was Renteria but because the direct line ancestor was raised by the Reynoso family he took on their name out of gratitude, thankfulness and respect for this family.  This information was passed down.  I don't go along with this story.  As you check the ages of the Renteria and Reynoso men when they died they were older men.  As I looked at the children, they would have been teenagers.  I found one direct line that would have been around 14 years old at the time of death of his father.  When you stop and think about it, why are there so many in the family that can be found by both names?  I believe that Renteria was the surname of a great grandmother somewhere down the line and as you find so often that name was carried on.  With my own grandfather Francisco Reynoso, I have found him listed as Reynoso and Renteria on different documents.  I have found
that to be true on his father, grandfather and so on.  Someday I hope we will be able to solve the mystery.
 
I still keep searching for those records that go back to the 1600s.  I believe we will find our answers there.  Also since the Reynoso and the Renteria men were military there should be information that could help us on possibly enlistment records or other military records.  Possibly wills, probate records.  Marriage information records are also good if we can locate them further back in time.
 
My grandfather used to tell me that the records for the family could be found in Jalisco. 
 
I have been able to piece the family records together from padrones, civil records, and of course catholic church records.  I have been able to extend my Serrano line by searching through land records.  They are in script, a great deal of abbreviations amd are hard to read.  One can usually pick out the information needed or have someone help you that knows the language better and can understand the old writing.  
 
Sorry I could not be more help Claudia. 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----
From: Claudia_Reynoso
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:12:23 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] for Irene Sweet (confirmed Prima)

Irene (prima):
I looked at our lineages carefully and this is how you and I are related:

My 3rd great-grandfather, JOSE ANICETO REYNOSO, was the brother of your 2nd great-grandfather, JOSE GREGORIO REYNOSO.  Their parents were TORIBIO REYNOSO and MARIA NORBERTA ROMERO.

Can you help me decipher the Reynoso-Renteria name swap?  I am still struggling with this.  A few Reynosos are recorded are Renterias in official records. 

What do you know?

Hola tocayo, la única información que tengo respecto a la información que pides es que Santos Alcalá y Avelina de la Torre casaron en Tepatitlán el día 02 de julio de 1878. José de los Santos Alcalá González fue bautizado en Tepatitlán el día 03 de noviembre de 1845, hijo legítimo de José Martín Alcalá Gómez (16-NOV-1817) y María Florentina de la Merced González de la Torre (20-OCT-1826). Todos los anteriores originarios de Tapatitlán.

De Avelina de la Torre, Nemecio Gómez y María Santos Aceves no tengo información.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Ron, yes you are right. Other brothers and sisters were Luisa abt 1669, Juan abt 1670, Gertrudis abt 1672, Catharina abt 1675, Ana abt 1677, Maria de la Rosa abt 1678, and Juana abt 1682
----- Original Message -----
From: Ronald Reynoso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:06 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Miggy Gutierrez-Munoz de La Barba

Hola Miggy ,I looking at my family chart and noticed Ana
Munoz de La Barba(married to Francisco Padilla Davila) whose parents were Jose Munoz de La Barba and Catarina Gonzalez de Hermosillo.Catarina 's Parents Diego Alonso Ramirez de Hermosillo and Luisa Munoz de Nava. Point being that I believe that Ana Munoz de La Barba and Catalina de La Barba are sisters . Similarities Jose de La barba -Jose Munoz de LaBarba :
Catalina Nava Munoz-Catalina Gonzalez de Hermosillo-whose mother was Luisa Munoz de Nava.
Que opinas Miggy
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Ronnie, I do not have info on Jose, or Juan Jose, or Baltazar's parents. I do have Baltazar Romo de Vivar wife Catharina Muñoz de la Barbas parents- Joseph Muñoz de la Barba b-1646 d-Aug 5, 1716 Estancia de los Terreros, jal married may 29, 1668 Teocaltiche to Catharina Gonzalez de Hermosillo b-1648. Jose-parents Francisco Muñoz de la Barba abt 1594 and Catalina Gutierrez Rubio abt 1598. Catharina's parent's diego Alonso Ramirez de hermosillo b-abt 1628 married Feb 23, 1645 Teocaltiche to Luisa Muñoz de Nava b-1628
Miggy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ronald Reynoso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:05 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Attention -Miggy Gutierrez-Los Romos

Hola Miggy,did you ever find out who the Parents of Jose Romo de Vivar who married Maria Jimenez de Hermosillo.I couldn't find any on a Juan Jose Romo de Vivar who married a Maria Gertrudis Gonzalez.I do have a little info on Baltazar Romo de Vivar and Catalina de la Barba(Ihave parents of her being a Jose de la Barba and a Catalina de Nava Munoz). I believe that her father's name should read Jose Munoz de la Barba and her Mother Munoz de Nava,but couldn't find anything under the IGI.
Tu Primo
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Thanks for the info Joseph. Wish you could attend the reunion.

Rick

Hi, I was wondering if you know when the 3rd Tomo for Retoños de España will come out? I am about to purchase the first too within the coming week. Thank You. -Daniel
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Sunday, Jul 27, 2008

Glad I was able to help you.

Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
San Diego, Ca.

--- Marionicia wrote:

>
> There is more info about her ancestors in my gedcom
> in this site.
> I also am expecting for Lic Mariano Gonzalez-Leal
> next edition of Retonos...to know more about this
> line that took the apellido compuesto Cos Y Leon or
> Coss Y Leon, nowdays this decendancy in U. S. A.
> turn it into Cossyleon.
>
> Thank you Patricia, I didn´t know about her second
> marriage.
> Indeed I have now more to work on.

Hola Irma!
First of all, thanks for your response!  Our Ranchos primos have been really quiet with me lately :-)
Well, I really don't know.  My finds have been amazing though because my grandfather was born out of wedlock, my dad didn't know anything about his family.  I started putting the pieces together with the help of the 1930 census we recently got access to.
This is the thread:
Grandfather: Pedro Gomez, born in Juchipila, Zacatecas out of wedlock in 1893.
Great grandfather: Juan Gomez, born in Moyahua, Zacatecas in 1866... married to Angela Benavides (real wife).
GG grandfather: Toribio Gomez, born in Yahualica, married to Regina de Luna in Ystlahuacan del Rio, Jalisco.
GGG grandfather: Juan Gomez, married to Maria de Jesus Carrillo in Jalos.
GGGG grandfather: Francisco Gomez, married to Ana Quiteria de Agredano.

I'm not sure which rancho or anything!

Saludos!!
----- Original Message ----
From: Irma GomezLucero
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:33:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza or Gomez de Portugal

Hello Sandra,
    My family comes from Jalostotitlan, and I'm curious if your
Gomez are Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza or Gomez de Portugal.  I've been
researching my paternal Gomez line, and it is Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza.
If it's the same, then maybe we can compare lines and see where your
Francisco Gomez might tie in.  Also do you have a Rancho for your Gomez?
This might help with the mystery...
Thanks,
Irma Gomez Gtz
Northern California

Message: 7
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:12:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: sandragomezmendoza
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juan Gomez/Maria de Jesus Carrillo
    marriage in    Jalos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hello all,

I need help with this record.  Do any of you have the film or the book
where you can look?  I would love any more info you can find... Thanks!
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Hola a todos,

Necesito ayuda con este matrimonio.  Alguno de ustedes tiene el archivo
o el libro que pueda investigar?  Me encantaria saber mas acerca de los
padres.  Gracias!

Juan Gomez
Maria De Jesus Carrillo
Nuestra Se?ora De La Asunci?n, Jalostotitl?n, Jalisco, Mexico
27 Jan 1809
Papa de Juan: Francisco Gomez
Mama de Juan: Quiteria Agredano
Papa de Maria: Francisco Carrillo
Mama de Maria: Maria Ximenez
UDE batch number: M60322-9
Film number: 279300

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