Nuestros Ranchos Site

put Ortiz in the search window and then click on user. if that doesn't
give results then click on "Advanced" and put "ortiz" in for the surname
and that should give you all members of the group who have the Ortiz
surname. then click on "contact"

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

mormonboy74 wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone knows how I can contact Deena Ortiz? Does about an ancestor in Nochistlan. Does anyone have her email? Thanks. -Daniel Mendez del Camino

Hello Emilie,
It's good to know that at least you can get in. I'm sorry that the images are so poor and the choices slim. I can't open the "register to use this..." below the email window. The "hand" cursor never turns into the hourglass, so nothing happens. Isn't ironic? I'd love to be able to look up my Onates in Aguascalientes! Well, good luck, Alice

--- auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com wrote:

From: "Emilie Garcia"
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Accessing Family Search Labs Pilot Program
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 12:18:53 -0700

Hi, Alice and "Ybinsouthsac":

>From Arturo's link you can register for the pilot program. Click on "Register" without typing in your e-mail address at first, then the fields to register should come up. Otherwise you will just keep getting a message that your e-mail is not registered for the pilot program.

After you complete the registration fields and "submit", you should get a confirmation e-mail telling you that your account is activated. Remember to type in the funny code letters in the box in the blank field next to them before you click "submit".

Good luck,

Emilie

Emilie, have you been able to access it yet, I signed in, they acknowledged it but I still can't get in!

Linda in B.C.

arturoramos wrote:

I have posted in the links section a new link to Lynn Turner's Hispanic Genealogy blog. The collection of information is very good and includes a link to the Mexico 1930 Census online.

http://hispanicgenealogy.blogspot.com/

He montado un nuevo vinculo en la seccion de vinculos a la pagina de Lynn Tuner que trata de la genealogia hispana. La coleccion de informacion es muy buena e incluye un vinculo al censo de Mexico de 1930 disponible en linea.

I've tried several times to access the Mexico 1930 census online through this link, with no success.
The link takes me to the Familysearch page, and asks for my email addrees. I enter it, and even though I'm registered on Familysearch.org, it states it doesn't recognize my email address. I try to click the register button below, but nothing opens and I can't seem to get any further. Could someone please let me know how to access the cesus online? Thanks so much, Alice

--- arturo.ramos2@gmail.com wrote:

From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lynn Turner's Hispanic Genealogy Blog
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 07:59:28 -0700 (PDT)

I have posted in the links section a new link to Lynn Turner's Hispanic Genealogy blog. The collection of information is very good and includes a link to the Mexico 1930 Census online.

http://hispanicgenealogy.blogspot.com/

He montado un nuevo vinculo en la seccion de vinculos a la pagina de Lynn Tuner que trata de la genealogia hispana. La coleccion de informacion es muy buena e incluye un vinculo al censo de Mexico de 1930 disponible en linea.

I definitely would love to have the link you have to get a
preview to the newLDS website. And if I register to view the 1930 Mexican Census on-line can you explain what that registration exactly involves or commits you to.
Yvonne

Hi ladies & gents
I am intrested in knowing how or where did you go to get all this information. My family crossed during the Revolution war. Some came to California and some went to Colorado and eventuly to California. Can you send me the email to it or there web site? Please!

Thank you
Mary

-----Original Message-----
>From: Irma GomezLucero
>Sent: Jun 27, 2007 12:20 PM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] research Digest, Vol 17, Issue 10
>
> Hello Corrine,
> Last night I went to my local FHC to view a microfilm that I had
>requested, but got sidetracked when the volunteer asked if I had any
>questions. The thought prompted by Tomas's earlier email regarding
>relatives who immigrated to the USA to never be heard from again (my dad
>actually does recall their visits back to Mexico when he was a young
>child). The volunteer helped me find a great uncle who immigrated to
>Wichita, Kansas during the early 1900's. I found several of his border
>crossing manifests, along with his wife's. Wow, it had their birth
>date, birthplace, occupation, height, age, coloring, how much money they
>carried, and even an address in Wichita. I too never found a census
>record for him or his family, but I plan to ask my father for more
>information. I recall him saying that this couple lost some sons in
>WWII, but I need to know their names first. I would love to make
>contact with their descendants.
> Please keep me posted on your finding. I'm totally new to this.
>My experience is mostly in the arena of microfilm of Mexican records...
>Thanks for sharing your story,
>Irma Gomez-Lucero
>N. Calif.
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:28:55 -0700
>From: "Corrine Ardoin"
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Border Crossing Records
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Message-ID:
> <8d36714c0706261728x147a361fxaf8dd092fca2f733@mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Hi, Everyone:
>
>I have been perusing Ancestry.com's Border Crossing Records, thanks to a
>friend. I have found a wealth of previously unknown information about
>my Martin del Campo ancestors through these records. Some of the
>records, unfortunately, are very small on the screen. I have been able
>to make them larger, in some cases, but some are not workable. I don't
>know why Ancestry did it that way, but, nevertheless, I have found some
>great information, some records even have photos!
>
>For instance, my mother's family had always held to the story that her
>mother, Magdalena Martin del Campo had crossed the border with her Aunt
>Dolores Martin del Campo, and grandmother, Rita Robles Rivera (Martin
>del Campo). Well, in the records, I found that Dolores, my great-great
>Aunt Lola (photos all provided in the albums), had crossed alone in
>1920, while my grandmother had crossed with her whole family, parents
>and siblings, later on in 1923. When Rita Robles Rivera crossed, I
>don't know, but I am beginning to think she never had, that that was
>part of the originally held family belief. I have not been able to find
>her in Los Angeles census records, though my mother insists she lived
>there and should be on the 1930 census and had shared a house with my
>Aunt Lola, but I have searched page by page in the census and have given
>up, for now. My mother says she also died in Los Angeles, in 1935.
>
>Well, since I have found these wonderful border crossing records, I
>discovered a brother of Lola's, a Juan Martin del Campo, who lived in El
>Paso. I also found a Alfredo Garza-Trevino in Juarez, who was an uncle
>of my grandmother's, who must have been married to one of her mother's
>sisters, one of the Cabral's. It has been so interesting to see their
>signatures, photos, notes on identifying marks, such as scars, etc.,
>their occupations, even addresses of relatives. It gave Lola's
>birthplace, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, which helps me with her brother's
>birthplace, Alberto Martin del Campo, my great great grandfather whom I
>only had a brithplace of "Lagos."
>So, now I know it was probably Lagos de Moreno, not San Juan de los
>Lagos, as I put on my ancestral chart. So, there are lots of changes
>and corrections and new information to add to my chart.
>
>I encourage everyone who hasn't done so already to check out these
>records if your ancestors had crossed the border into the U.S. It is
>worth the time to find out information that just might help in your area
>of research, like it has for me.
>
>*One question I do have*, if anyone might know the answer, is if you
>know about the "Manifest" forms these records were kept on. How were
>these used? I mean, were they held onto by the person who crossed for
>whenever they crossed again, or by the immigration office? The reason I
>am asking is that my grandmother's 1923 Manifest record has some very
>interesting notes written on the back of it, dated 1930. It would be a
>mini jackpot for me, if I could get these notations clarified. A family
>story is that her and my grandfather had married, moved to Detroit, had
>two children, then went to Guadalajara when my grandmother was pregnant
>with my mother. My mother was supposedly born there in 1931. After a
>year, they returned to Los Angeles.
>I have not been able to find them in the U.S. census for 1930 anywhere.
>I have not been able to find a record of my grandparent's marriage
>anywhere.
>I have not been able to find a record of my mother's birth anywhere.
>But, lo and behold, on the back of my grandmother's initial border
>crossing record, there are these notations dated by a stamp DEC 3, 1930,
>giving the names and ages of the two eldest children, born in Detroit,
>Michigan. They were both born before the date stamped on the back of
>this Manifest record.
>So, I'm wondering many things. First of all, why were these notes made
>on this particular record? Are they of another time my grandmother
>crossed the border *into *Mexico, just as the family story goes, when my
>grandmother would definitely have been pregnant with my mother? If so,
>then this would verify the family story and I would need to keep looking
>for census records of them. If it is of when they crossed *back into*
>the U.S., then that would change things entirely. I have not found a
>border crossing record of my mother, her siblings, or her parents
>crossing, except what for these mysterious notations.
>
>So, if anyone knows how these records worked, I would really appreciate
>getting this clarified.
>
>Corrine Ardoin
>With the family mystery hystery
>
>
>------------------------------
>

Joseph,

I don't know how it is in Rougemont, but the major public libraries in Southern California carry for "reference consultations" a number of phone books from México and, if you are lucky with a cooperatice librarian that is not overwhelmed with work, s/he might even look up some information for you, over the phone.

Efrain

It costs $62 but if you don't find other sources, it might be worth it.

http://www.mexicophonebooks.com/zacatecas.html

Zacatecas is the capital of the Mexico state of Zacatecas. The Zacatecas Phone Book contains both Yellow Pages and White Pages.

This telephone directory covers the majority of cities in this state.

Chris:

I am not aware of films that FHL has of Mexican miltary service. However, there do appear to be decent records... as to how easy they are to access and search that is another story:

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/RG/guide/Mexico18.asp#military_r…

In a message dated 6/14/2007 11:15:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
makas@nc.rr.com writes:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16075

Hi Welester,

Has anyone been able to decipher the meaning of these? They are similar to
the ones that I have seen in Coahuila (near Villa Union) on a ranch that is
owned by distant cousins.

Esperanza

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Here is a find from the IGI on familysearch.org that you might find interesting. You should order the film and scan through it, using the batch number to find any collateral relatives. You should also find the contemporary baptisms film for Villanueva and see if they had any children there before moving... to Fresnillo or Zacatecas.

TIVURCIO BAUTISTA
Spouse: REGINA MURO
Marriage: 20 APR 1860 San Judas Tadeo, Villanueva, Zacatecas, Mexico
Batch No.: M601095 Film No. 1094363

Katrina:

Your questions are very legitimate and I hope we can answer them for you. The Mexican geography bible for the 19th Century (and even to date perhaps) is Antonio Garcia Cuba's DIccionario Biografico y Geofrafico de Mexico. There is a digital version of this online that you can locate by going to the Links section of the site and then going down to the Geography section.

There is only one listing for "El Bote" and it is for "El Bote de Abajo y El Bote de Arriba" and they are basically two ranchos (villages or small group of rural dwellings) in the municipality of Fresnillo, Zacatecas.

When the record states the Sagrario de Zacatecas, I would veture to say that it is the old church/cathedral in the actual city of Zacatecas. If it simply states Zacatecas with no other city mentioned it must be THE Zacatecas.

As far as geographical divisions in Mexico, today there are only states and then municipalities below that. The municipalities often include many towns and villages so they would be similar to small counties. In the 19th Century there were cantons between the state and the municipality which would be more like a large county. Parishes (parroquias) are purely an ecclesiastical jurisdiction.

Esperanza

I read the questions you had regarding ranchos of yesteryear and there newer names. Rancho las Ranas near Atolinga is found in maps and now called Villahidalgo. My great-great grandparents were born there in the late 1700's and early 1800's. I visited there years ago and it is a beautiful countryside with many properties surrounded by stone fences. I've also read birth documents referring to this area as el monte de santa rosa. The relatives I found from there were Sandovals and Bugarins from nearby Atolinga.

Gus Meza

Esperanza:

If you go into the links section of the Nuestros Ranchos site, you will see a link to the Diccionario Biografico y Geografico de Mexico by Antonio Garcia Cubas...

That dictionary has an amazing number of locality names with descriptions and locations, including very, very small ranchos. The book was published in the late 1800s so it has the names of the ranchos prior to the Mexican Revolution.

For example for Ranas it states:

Rancho del distrito y municipalidad de Puruandiro, Estado de Michoacan con 340 habitantes; Otro del estado de Nuevo Leon, municpalidad de Lampazos; Otro del de Zacatecas, partido de Tlaltenango, municipio de Atolinga con 228 habitantes.

Which one of these are you looking for? The one in Atolinga? If so, you might be able to find it on a modern map of Zacatecas:

http://dgp.sct.gob.mx/fileadmin/Atlas/zacatecas.pdf

Hola soy, Daniel Mendez del Camino, los Gomez de Mendozas que estain
buscando es los de Jalisco? de 1600-1700's? Yo tambien tengo parentesco por
medio de pi padre y mi madre. Tengo un Manuel Gomes qiuen nacio ca. 1594 en
Jalostotitlan y Catalina Hurtado de Mendosa y Olivares quien nacio ca. 1598
en Lagos de Moreno se casaron ca. 1619 Jalostot. y tuvieron a Estevan Gomez
de Mendoza quien yo descendo, Juana, Diego y Catalina Gomes de Mendoza. Si
es la misma familia que estain hablando? Gracias. Saben mas del padre de
Catalina Hurtado de Mendoza? Rodrigo Olivarez? No puede encuentrar mas info.
Gracias.

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Tomas:

Después de que usted haya encontrado donde la persona vivió, usted puede querer también tratar:

http://www.usgenweb.org/states/index.shtml

Tomas Alejandro:

Creo que las mejores fuentes para lo que tu intentas serian los archivos de cruzadas de la frontera mexicana que se mantienen en microfilmes en el Archivo Nacional de EE.UU. y que tienen indice en Ancestry.com, pero cobran...

www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1082

las bibliotecas y los centros familiares de historia de los mormones tienen acceso gratis a ese sitio. Ya que encentres un nombre puedes ver las fechas que cruzo la persona y hasta la imagen de la tarjeta donde se grabo la cruzada.

Tambien existe el indice de defunciones de la Agencia de Seguro Social que se puede buscar gratuitamente y ya que se encuentra una persona tocas escribirle a la agencia para hacer una requisicion de informacion conforme al "Freedom of Information Act" o ley de transparencia para que le manden a uno copia del archivo que contiene la solicitud de cuenta y datos sobre el fallecimiento de la persona.

http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/

Sabiendo donde solicito la cuenta y donde fallecio se puede seguir el hilito y buscar en las fuentes de las localidades correspondientes.

Espero sea util esta informacion.

Arturo,

I made the switch to only Macs 1-2 years ago and did the usual research on genealogy software for Macs. The best I could find about one year ago was Reunion 8 which has mixed reviews by others. It has the typical Mac feel but I am not a heavy user of it. If you want me to perform a task with it, e.g. charts, whatever, just let me know and I will tell you what kind of possibilities exist. I suspect that your needs (Web) and level of sophistication are a lot higher than mine. Despite my additional degree (Masters Information Systems), I try to keep my computer life simple and easy, hence my switch from the horrors of PCs and Señor Gates' software. I used to love Linux but even dropped that.

Ed

Arturo,

I am a born-and-raised PC user; but, coincidentally, a couple of weeks ago an aquaintance was singing, over coffee, the praises of Personal Ancestry Writer II (at something like Version 67), and its integrated capabilities for web page generation, charting, and publishing.

But, then again, who can ever take seriously a Mac User.

If you want to follow-up on this, try: http://www.lanopalera.net

Efrain