Nuestros Ranchos Site

What a great project, I look forward ot seeing it posted in Nuestros Ranchos.

Muchas Gracias Francisco

Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

Arturo Ramos wrote:
Francisco:

Por favor comparte tu trabajo con nosotros. A mi me gustari mucho leerlo. Si quieres, puedes crear una carpeta de archivos y montar el trabajo ahi y luego nos puedes avisar donde pusiste el trabajo.

Please share your work with us. I for one would love to read it. If you like, you can create a file folder and upload it there and then advise the group where the work is located.

-Arturo
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Estimados miembros de nuestros ranchos:
Recientemente he terminado un trabajo sobre las fiestas mexicanas y la ideosincrasia de los mexicanos. Me gustaria compartir con el grupo y de esta manera tal vez inquietarles a que otros compartieran algo de sus trabajos, memorias, anecdotas, etc... claro si ustedes estan de acuerdo.

Members of nuestros ranchos;
I recently finished a project regarding Mexican fiestas and the way mexican people act and react in such fiestas, and maybe other would like to share their own works, memeories, anecdotes, etc. of course if you agree I can send this work.
Sincerely Francisco

Gracias Francisco,

Tengo una tia que fue la Reina del Rodeo en un rancho cerca de Santa
Maria de los Angeles, Jalisco. e vido fotos de las Reinas my bonitas
montada en sus caballos con vestido largos y bonitos.

Si por favor manda su proyecto de las fiestas Mexicanas. Puedemos hacer
como Arturo dijo y hacer un lugar en los Files del grupo.

gracias,

joseph

francisco sevilla wrote:

>Estimados miembros de nuestros ranchos:
> Recientemente he terminado un trabajo sobre las fiestas mexicanas y la ideosincrasia de los mexicanos. Me gustaria compartir con el grupo y de esta manera tal vez inquietarles a que otros compartieran algo de sus trabajos, memorias, anecdotas, etc... claro si ustedes estan de acuerdo.
>
> Members of nuestros ranchos;
> I recently finished a project regarding Mexican fiestas and the way mexican people act and react in such fiestas, and maybe other would like to share their own works, memeories, anecdotes, etc. of course if you agree I can send this work.
> Sincerely Francisco
>
>
>---------------------------------
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Where is it? marge:)
On May 3, 2006, at 9:06 PM, George Luna wrote:

> Arturo,
> I got this when an article about me was in somos primos. I think it is
> the work of Salvador Cabral Valdes. I have attached it.
> George

Just to clarify, we have put Ernie's tree into the GEDCOM database. It is NOT in the member genealogy files.

The easiest way to browse his tree is to go to the GEDCOM database, click on SURNAMES and then select "Moctezuma to Alderete" from the pull-down menu labeled "Tree" and clicking the button labeled "Go". This will create a surname listing of just the individuals in his tree.

You can also limit the surname list to other trees such as "Tlaltenango Families" by selecting the given tree from the pulldown menu, or view all the persons in the database by selecting "All Trees"

Here is a short bio of one of the generals:

www.huejotitan.gob.mx/Contenido/ plantilla5.asp?cve_canal=1963&Portal=huejotitan

General Trinidad Rodríguez. (1880 – 1914) Tomó parte en la Revolución Maderista desde fines de 1910, operó en la Región Meridional del Estado y en mayo de 1911 ocupó el Mineral de Santa Bárbara. Al año siguiente empuñó las armas para combatir a la rebelión orozquista, donde alcanzó el grado de Teniente Coronel y en febrero de 1913, al consumarse el cuartelazo del General Huerta, sus hombres fueron desarmados y él aprehendido y consignado bajo el cargo de haber pretendido levantarse en armas en contra del nuevo régimen. Poco después obtuvo su libertad, empuñó las armas resueltamente, las fuerzas que organizó constituyeron la Brigada “Cuauhtémoc” de la División del Norte, que más tarde tomó su nombre, y murió en el ataque y toma de la Plaza de Zacatecas el 23 de junio de 1914. Sus restos fueron sepultados en el Panteón de la Regla y más tarde trasladados a la Ciudad Deportiva.

I have a feeling that these notarial records are either in the municipal archives of Tlaltenango or Jerez or perhaps in the state or municipal archives of Zacatecas. I think I had mentioned to the group that the municipality of Tlaltenango just recently disted off and oraganized its historical archives so perhaps these notario's protocolos are among those documents that will soon become available.

I am crossing my fingers.

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Arturo and group:

In George Ryskamp's book, Tracing Your Hispanic Heritage, Chapter 12 is dedicated to notarial records.

Hello Ulla-Britt,

It appears we both descend from the same Miramontes-Llamas Family.

I descend through two of their sons:
1) Lorenso MIRAMONTES LLAMAS, christened 23 Jun 1718 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico. He married on 5 Jul 1740 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico Rita ULLOA GONSALEZ, christened 8 Dec 1723 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico, daughter of Juan Antonio DE ULLOA and Getrudes GONSALEZ PONSE. (My 5th great-grand parents.)
2) Xpstoval (Cristoval) MIRAMONTES LLAMAS, christened 12 Mar 1731 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico. He married on 18 Feb 1754 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico Eufracia Barbara DE CAMPOS, daughter of Ysabel DE CAMPOS. (My 5th great-grand parents.)
Christoval's son Pedro Josseph MIRAMONTES CAMPOS, christened 4 Nov 1767 in Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico. He married on 4 Jun 1798 in Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico Maria Petra Micaela GAETA, daughter of Anttonio Abad GAETA MAYORGA and Maria Antonia SIERRA. (My 4th great-grand parents.)

I think we have spoken before on another message board a few years ago. But I could be wrong...

Is it possible for you to email me a scan of Francisco Miramontes and Salbadora Llamas' marriage record. I can try and decipher the 'P' name.

Also, there is a few people in this group searching the Luna-Serrano-Mota families. I think you share the same line as them...perhaps they will verify...

Hope to hear back from you...
Thanks,
Angie Godina

Jonathan Walker's mexicanfhr yahoo group covers all of Mexico:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mexicanfhr/

I would strongly recommend that group over the Ciudad Juarez group that
is pretty much dead.

joseph

NathanJones wrote:

>Is there an English language website for those of us interested in the genealogy of Northern Mexico?
> I checked out Genealogica de Norte Mexico, but it is exclusively in Spanish.
>
>My research takes me from Aguascalientes up into Cuatrocienegas/Monclova(colonial capital of Nuevo Santander)/Rio Nuevo/La Madrid/Nadadores in Coahuila de Zaragoza.
>
>As well as to Hidalgo del Parral (San Jose del Parral in the colonial era, the colonial capital of that state) and Santa Barbara, Chihuahua.
>
>For those of you interested in Northern Mexico, or Tortilla de Harina country as we fondly call it, I just read a wonderful book:
>
>LOS PAISANOS.
>
>About the early settledment of Nueva Biscaya/Chihuahua/Durango/Sonora/Sinaloa, Nuevo Leon, New Mexico, what became Arizona,Texas and the Calfironias.
>
>I had no idea Tlaxcallans settled in Coahuila in the post conqust era with royal approval and support.
>
>Also, that there were black slaves in Parral. Chihuahua is so white today, its hard to believe that substantial African blood was absorbed into the mainstream population.

That is a great idea. Emilie we could all send Salt Lake letters on your
behalf, well in behalf of the residents of your Island. How many people
are being affected by this closure. If we got them to write a letter and
if a handfull from the Nuestros Ranchos group submitted something maybe
they would hold up just a little longer.

Dear President Hinckley,

I am one of the moderators of the Nuestros Ranchos genealogy group which
primarily focuses on the Estados of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and
Aguascalientes in Mexico. One of our dedicated researchers, Emilie
Garcia, resently sent to the group a message that troubles me greatly.
She stated that her Family History Center located on _______ Island is
about to be closed. She indicated that all her films that were on
permanent hold will be sent back to SLC and that she is rushing to get
every minute she can to do her research before her films are returned.
Now I don't think I need to remind you that we were told that paying our
fees three times meant that the films would be kept permanently at the
FHC, but now the whole FHC is closing with no remedy in sight. I think
to help Emilie as she digs into her Zacatecas, Mexico roots the LDS
church should seriously reconsider the hardship that will caused by
these actions. At the very least why not consider delaying the action
for 6 months so she can strive to find family history. I don't want to
sound ungrateful for what the LDS church has done in supplying us with
these records, but I do as that you not forget the indivduals that are
in need of your help today.

Sincerely,

Joseph Puentes
http://nuestrosranchos.org

ps: I would think a nice compromise would be to contact the local
library and make arrangements with them to hold those films at their
location for a period of time of not less than one year so Emilie could
have the time she needs.

NathanJones wrote:

>Those of you facing an imminent closure of your local Family HIstory Center might consider petitioning Salt Lake City for an extension.
>
>I don't remember who said they live on an island, but you could address that issue in a letter to Salt Lake.
>Make them aware of the hardship it would be for you if they closed your FHC with such short notice, how your particular FHC is serving a vital sevice to the Hispanic community, and the community overall.
>
>You might get an extra month, maybe 90 days.
>
>

Nathan,

I have just recently found some of my ancestors from Pabellon, Rincon de Romos, Ags.
Maria Cayetana Esparza Luevano would be my GGG grandmother, born in Hacienda de Pabellon about 1813 according to the marriage document. She was the daughter of Doroteo Esparza and Maria Dolores Luevano. Doroteo and Maria Dolores were married in Pabellon, Rincon de Romos. Ags on 18 Jan 1807.

I have not ordered any films from Aguascalientes yet because I ordered five rolls of films of Nochistlan Zac at the end of January when they announced the price increase so I could order just before the rates went up to $5.50. I am still working through some of these rolls and don't want to order any film until I finish with what I have on order.

I am very anxious to begin my research in Rincon de Romos but it will have to wait.
Thanks for that information.

I have been to Aguascalientes, that was back in 89/90 before I knew I had ancestors from Aguascalientes or even before I took any interest in Geneaology. That's when I was young and muy taruga about these things. It is one of the areas of Mexico that has a lot of industry. Aguascalientes has a large textile industry. They produce many fine linens, blankets and clothing. We stayed in hotels in Aguascalientes while visiting the outer provinces as it appeared to be clean, safe and concentric to the areas we wanted to visit at the time.
We'll keep in touch as we each continue our research.

Saludos..........Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

Good! But it has still been a lot of work for you. Marge:)
On Apr 27, 2006, at 5:42 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

>
> I'm talking with Arturo and at the end of May I am going to delete the
> members that never made the transition over to the new group. Right now
> that number seems to be right in the area of 33 people who were on the
> Yahoo group. Mostly these are people that never or seldom participated.
>
> It's a while before the end of May and here is what I plan to do:
>
> 1) email each of these people privately and let them know I'm going to
> remove their information from the new site
>
> 2) send out one message on the Yahoo Group letting folks know that I'm
> going to remove those 33 people from the Nuestros Ranchos Logs.
>
> Now I'm not going to be unsubscribing them as they have previously
> indicated that they were interested and many have submitted their
> genealogies to the Yahoo group. But I am going to put the weight of
> participation on their shoulders. When and if they are ever ready to
> make the transition over to the new site they will need to contact one
> of the Moderators or just go in and create a new account. As it's set
> up
> now all they needed to do was request a password. It won't be difficult
> to get them reinstated, but the responsibility will be theirs to
> pursue.
>
> joseph
>
>

I have read this book which is a microhistory of Tlaltenango. It has several credits to my late cousin Amador Sandoval Rodriguez whom I considered a learned historian. He introduced me to the book. His knowledge and help in knowing our family history and the history of Tlaltenango was invaluable.
It mentions many of the early families in the region. It makes a minor reference to my third gggrandfather, Telesforo Gonzalez Miramontes who passed away from fever in 1879 and was buried in the Panteon de San Francisco. The book quotes (17th Century era) archives (stored in Guadalajara) comments describing minor legal issues addressed by what I would say were circuit judges who would rule on disputes between the indigneous population and the Spaniards.

There is an early map/layout depicted of Tlaltenango and of course a lot more information in this book.

Gus Meza

Gus Meza

Wow Arturo this is great. It give us hope that the information is there.
So is the Escribano the equivilent of Notario? I'm wondering if those
films are basically the work of one Notario per film or if they are a
mixture of records like the Marriage Dispensation records are. Probably
a mixture since a Notario worked over a given area over a number of years.

thanks,

joseph

arturoramos wrote:

>I just found this going through the Archivo General de la Nacion index. There was a discussion last week about finding out who were the escribanos and how they worked. I am pretty sure that each escribano was given a jurisdiccion where he was responsible, so this confirms that in the early 1700s there was an escribano assigned to Jerez y el Valle de Tlaltenango, which at that time, I believe was considered a single municipal entity, split in half by Colotlan which was under a military government under the direct jurisdiccion of the Viceroy of New Spain, i.e. not Nueva Galicia:
>
>The escribano until 1741 was Manuel Antonio Suarez and after 1741 was Nicolas Pardo y Figueroa. Neither of these names appears in the Archivo Historico de Jalisco's list of escribanos.
>
>Clave de Registro 107653
>No. Grupo 45
>Grupo Documental Escribanos
>Fecha ABRIL 18 - NOVIEMBRE 16 DE 1741
>Volumen 12
>Expediente 13
>Fojas 301-312v
>Descripción RENUNCIA. AUTOS HECHOS SOBRE LA RENUNCIA DE DON MANUEL ANTONIO SUAREZ, AL OFICIO DE ESCRIBANO PUBLICO Y DE CABILDO DE LA VILLA DE JEREZ Y VALLE DE TLALTENANGO EN LA PROVINCIA DE LA NUEVA GALICIA, A FAVOR DE DON NICOLAS PARDO Y FIGUEROA, EL CUAL SE LE REMATA EN 500 PESOS, CUYA TERCIA PARTE PAGARA A LA REAL CAJA. VILLA DE JEREZ (Y) VALLE DE TLALTENANGO.
>

Monica:

I have heard that films take a while to arrive outside the U.S. That is unfortunate. As far as how long they keep the film, it depends on how much space there is at the family history center and how long you extend it. If the center has room to keep the film and you extend it two times (by paying additional fees), they will ususally put it on indefinite loan, which means that until they run out of room or for some reason they need the film back in Salt Lake City, it will remain at your local family history center.

That is great to hear that you will start looking at films. It is very exciting to see the names of your ancestors in those olf documents, even if it is only a reproduction of them. One of these days I plan to go see the originals. I have tried before but failed.

What areas are you researching again? I cannot tell from your profile. Do you mind filling it in so we can get an idea of where and whom you are resarching?