Nuestros Ranchos Site

NathanJones wrote:

>
>It would be my hope that the Nuestros Ranchos software could be modified so that people could choose their language, Spanish or English. To make it more accessible to our friends, and family.
>
>
>
go to http://nuestrosranchos.org and login

then go to "my account" and the click on the "edit" tab and then look at
all the choices. about 3/4 of the way down is a "Language" option where
you can pick between English and Spanish. check out the other options.
change them and see if one of the other options works for you. If it
doesn't then change it back.

see Arturo was thinking of this also.

joseph

Linda, I'm waiting for the DNA results from the same lab for my mothers brother, Luis Gutierrez. I found this line of Gutierrez ancestors in Ranchos de los Palos Altos, Atoyac, Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Guzman and Tamazula Jalisco from 1780 to 1920. Before that they are in Chilchota Michoacan back to abt 1650. I've found many families from the Chilchota, Tlazazalca, Tangancicuaro and Valle de Zamora moving to Jalisco during the same time period my Gutierrez ancestors moved there. I will be sure to post the results. My mtdna came back group A, Native American. I did submit to the Gary Felix site and will send the Gutierrez results there too.

The other Linda in Everett

Linda R Romero wrote: Has anyone on the NuestrosRanchos list had a Y-DNA or mtDNA test with
FamilyTreeDNA or other testing facility?

I've had my Y-DNA results for the Romero Surname and they are
unusual. I am interested if anyone whose ancestors are from the
Jalisco area has been tested. I am looking for comparisons and
possibly connections back to Spain and the Mediterranean area.

Linda

I have two projects with family tree. One for my surname, Alderete. The other for my ancestry and the imperial heritage of the Moctezuma Dynasty.

Family Tree is the oldest, most respected and largest testing lab in the world. I have confidence in their results.

But the initial results often come as a major jolt! I've had both the Y and mtDNA tests. My Y tests were also unusual to say the least. A surprise to me, and my sister. Actually, the results floored us! We matched a Czech family on the east coast. They sent us pictures that could of been of my late father, they were so much like us. We never had a family tradition of any Slavic background. But there it was.

Mi mamacita es guerrita. Rubia, ojos de color. Blanquita. Yet she tested haplogroup B. Native American.

The mtDNA terminology is completely different from the YDNA terminology.
My paternal side tested R1B1. The predominant haplogroup in Iberia.

In my opinion our hapglogroups transcend our nationalities, surnames and paper trails. By that I mean our super tirbes, our extended DNA families, are more important than being Hispanic, Latino, or Anglo. I think this is a trend or concept that will accelerate in the generations to come.

Let me know your specific questions, or concerns.

Remember that the Y chromosone is one of the smallest in the human genome. It determines only male gender. If your Y gene tests as something you did not expect, that does not invalidate what you already knew about your heritage.

You can see the sites at:

http://www.familytreedna.com/(hcojjivgekjvu155hef2gy55)/public/alderete

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/moctezuma

And my personal homepage:
http://www.genealogy.com/users/a/l/d/Ernie-Alderete/

I am also administrator for the Alderete and Moctezuma name lists on Rootsweb.

Anything regarding both heritages is of interest to me.

A young Anglo lady recently wrote to me. Her late father was Mexican, but she really never knew him or his culture. All she knew was that his last name was Moctezuma. I told her she inherited one of the most noble names and heritages in the world. She had never even heard of Emperor Moctezuma. She was completely innocent of the greatness that flows through her veins.

Emilie:

Thank you so much for that link. I have added it to the Links section.

If anybody else has useful links that they would like added to the link section, please send me an email and give me the information.

Maria,

My un-educated guess would say that an insurgente or insurgent could be either side, the Cristeros or the federales. In some or many cases it was hard to tell what side they were on and in some instances they may not have had a side but their own agenda. Could have been anyone avenging a wrong done to their loved ones, their neighbors or themselves.
I heard stories of insurgentes taking advantage of the Church/Federal situation by robbing, pillaging, raping and murdering, this was a case of common lawlessness.
I don't know if this helps you any.

Alicia

Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Insurgente

Another question I have is during the religious wars in Mexico during the 1920 through 1927, they referred to some of the people fighting as insurgentes. Who were the insurgentes? Where they the people fighting for Catholicism or were they the people that were for the government?

Maria Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

Arturo and Josie,

I assume that you and Josie already have the matrimonial data on Jacinto Talamantes and Isabel de Covarrubias that is available in the "Sagrado Mitra de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia" (marriage dispensations from the 17th and 18th Century). If not, let me know.

I have not been keeping up on various threads and excuse me if this is old stuff.

Ed

Arturo and Josie,

I assume that you and Josie already have the matrimonial data on Jacinto Talamantes and Isabel de Covarrubias that is available in the "Sagrado Mitra de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia" (marriage dispensations from the 17th and 18th Century). If not, let me know.

I have not been keeping up on various threads and excuse me if this is old stuff.

Ed

Emilie, tell your husband that I remember that the Alcazar was
nicknamed "El Calzetin." The lady who sold the sandwiches and the
popcorn at the concession stand was Mrs. Mauregui, and she sold baloney
and cabbage sandwiches. When she ran out of baloney, she would sell
cabbage sandwiches--at the same price as the baloney ones.:)

I remember seeing reruns of Buck Rogers at that theatre, I was about 6
or 7. My sister and I were taken and dropped off when "Las Chitas"
(the Mauregui's granddaughters) were visiting there. We felt perfectly
safe. Marge:)

On Jun 17, 2006, at 6:55 PM, Emilie Garcia wrote:

> Marge -
>
> I showed my husband your message about the theaters in El Paso. He
> too went to the same theaters, and he waxed nostalgic. He told me:
>
> "I remember in the early forties walking into the El Alcazar theater
> and the 'unbearable stench of being' hitting my nose immediately. In
> those days before air-conditioning in most theaters, and the weather
> outside around 110, and the young men that frequented the theater
> sporting flannel socks and tennis shoes (not Nikes or sneakers, but
> the real tennis shoes, two strips of canvas that laced up the ankles),
> you had the makings for a real 'pot boiler'. We dubbed the theater
> "El Calzetin".
>
> "One memory that sticks in my mind regarding the 'Colon" theater was
> that every time we would see some guy hitting on a girl, we would yell
> 'dejala -----on [an expletive that starts with an 'h'], dale tu
> toston, pa' que se vaya al Colon!".
>
> "The best movie I have ever seen, or will ever see, was at the El
> Calzetin. It is titled 'Maria Candelaria' and features Dolores Del
> Rio and Pedro Armendariz. This movie is real in essence, emotional at
> heart, and spiritual to the core. There will never be another movie
> like this, international or otherwise." [It is obviously his favorite
> movie of all time].
>
> This past September on the TMC channel, Robert Osborne hosted several
> classic Mexican movies, and I recall that Maria Candelaria was one of
> them. How I wish my husband had taped them. They showed a different
> movie every Tuesday and Thursday throughout the month. My personal
> favorite was a very allegorical one set in the Mexico of the 18th
> century, about a poor serf who had sacrificed all his life to support
> his family, and he never had enough to eat to satisfy him. So one day
> his wife stole a turkey from her master and cooked it for him to eat
> all by himself and he took it to the hill near his house, and when he
> was about to devour the turkey a stranger approached. What happens
> then is fantastical. That one to me is a must see. My husband can't
> remember the name of the movie, but I loved it. It really moved me.
> It had so much to say about Mexico and its people. Also, I found it
> amazing that in the 18th century, the rich espanoles dressed up just
> like George Washington
> , with b
> reeches and white wigs, etc. and rode around in beautiful carriages
> with matching horses to pull them. I guess the upper classes in all
> Europe and the colonies kept up with the same styles in dress,
> lifestyles, penmanship, etc.
>
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ----
>
>
>

thanks Alicia, I ordered them all except #1 which I saw awhile back.

joseph

Alicia Carrillo wrote:

>Okay Joseph and Ranchos members,
>
>Here are 8 netflix movies, they may be available at blockbuster too but I don't know that for a fact. I have selected them not only for their historical content but are above reproach and are appropriate for family viewing.
>Some of the commentaries included are from critics and some are from viewers.
>
>Alicia
>
>1. I the worst of all
>The life of brilliant and beautiful 17th-century Mexican poet Sister Juana Ines de la Cruz (Assumpta Serna) gets erotic treatment in this telling drama. To pursue her love of writing, Juana enters a convent and gains international renown. But when the Inquisition comes, the local Vicereine (Dominique Sanda) becomes Juana's protectress and erotic muse, sending the poetess down a romantic road of startling passion and intensity.
>
>2. The Garden of Eden
>The U.S.-Mexican border is the setting for this trio of crisscrossing tales about displaced individuals looking for a better life. A Chicano widow and her children seek a new life for themselves; a young white woman searches for her brother; and a migrant farm worker attempts to cross the border. Their lives intersect by chance at the border near Tijuana.
>
>3. The Official Story
>Norma Aleandro plays a sheltered rich woman who is jolted to the reality of her world through a quest to find the parents of her little daughter. The truth — that the little girl's parents are victims of Argentina's "Dirty War," where the government repressed its own citizens and killed many of its artists, political activists and regular people in terrible ways — unfolds slowly and painfully. As unbelievable as the main character's ignorance is, it was actually quite typical of the time. But ignorance is not bliss, and the pain of the political repression doesn't leave anyone unscathed.
>
>4. Central Station
>Dora (Fernanda Montenegro), who writes letters for illiterate people at Rio de Janeiro's central railroad station, feels compelled to help 9-year-old Josué (Vinícius de Oliveira) locate his estranged father after the child's mother dies in a car accident. As Dora and the boy bond during their journey to Brazil's remote Northeast region, the interplay between them is delightful to watch.
>
>5. Secrets of the Heart
> Ican only interpret this film as a true mirror of what life was like in Spain during the 1960s. My Spanish father watched this film with me and told me how it captured a small town life from the view of a curious and innocently naive little boy. It reminded him of his childhood. I feel the slow pace in certain scenes, realistically captures what it is like for an active child who sits waiting for the attention he so much craves from the adults around him. Without any understanding of the hardships of real life that they are experiencing, and protecting him from. The movie will gratifyingly reveal the hidden "secrets" of the heart that we as viewers want to discover along with the boy.
>
>6. Butterfly
>An interesting movie, but somewhat maudlin in parts. Beautiful scenery. Most interesting and provocative when it examines the reactions of a rural town and an individual family to the arrival of fascism to pre-World War II. Spain. Especially well suited for those viewers trying to learn Spanish, as the main actor, speaks a beautiful, clear and slow Spanish, and a student will not need to rely totally on subtitles.
>
>7. La Ley de Herodes
>It's 1949, and following the brutal murder of a small Mexican town's mayor, the genteel and humble Juan Vargas (Damian Alcazar), a janitor, is appointed his successor. But in spite of his efforts to steer clear of corruption, Juan finally succumbs to the allure of dirty politics, emerging as a man with few scruples and deep grudges. Co-stars Pedro Armendariz Jr. and Delia Casanova.
>
>8. El Abuelo or the Grandfather
>On learning that his son has died, an elderly Spanish man (Fernando Fernan-Gomez) returns home from California, having failed to strike it rich during the Gold Rush. Back in his native land, the man finds himself embroiled in a mystery when he learns that his now-deceased son only fathered one of the two "daughters" he left behind; now the old man must find out which one. The film received an Oscar nomination for Best Foreign Language Film
>
>

Tisoc starring Pedro Infante and Maria Felix is so beautiful and sad.

Don't forget El Norte, which is cinematografically stunning.

Marge:)
On Jun 16, 2006, at 7:36 PM, Alicia Carrillo wrote:

> Okay Joseph and Ranchos members,
>
> Here are 8 netflix movies, they may be available at blockbuster too
> but I don't know that for a fact. I have selected them not only for
> their historical content but are above reproach and are appropriate
> for family viewing.
> Some of the commentaries included are from critics and some are from
> viewers.
>
> Alicia
>
> 1. I the worst of all
> The life of brilliant and beautiful 17th-century Mexican poet Sister
> Juana Ines de la Cruz (Assumpta Serna) gets erotic treatment in this
> telling drama. To pursue her love of writing, Juana enters a convent
> and gains international renown. But when the Inquisition comes, the
> local Vicereine (Dominique Sanda) becomes Juana's protectress and
> erotic muse, sending the poetess down a romantic road of startling
> passion and intensity.
>
> 2. The Garden of Eden
> The U.S.-Mexican border is the setting for this trio of crisscrossing
> tales about displaced individuals looking for a better life. A Chicano
> widow and her children seek a new life for themselves; a young white
> woman searches for her brother; and a migrant farm worker attempts to
> cross the border. Their lives intersect by chance at the border near
> Tijuana.
>
> 3. The Official Story
> Norma Aleandro plays a sheltered rich woman who is jolted to the
> reality of her world through a quest to find the parents of her little
> daughter. The truth — that the little girl's parents are victims of
> Argentina's "Dirty War," where the government repressed its own
> citizens and killed many of its artists, political activists and
> regular people in terrible ways — unfolds slowly and painfully. As
> unbelievable as the main character's ignorance is, it was actually
> quite typical of the time. But ignorance is not bliss, and the pain of
> the political repression doesn't leave anyone unscathed.
>
> 4. Central Station
> Dora (Fernanda Montenegro), who writes letters for illiterate people
> at Rio de Janeiro's central railroad station, feels compelled to help
> 9-year-old Josué (Vinícius de Oliveira) locate his estranged father
> after the child's mother dies in a car accident. As Dora and the boy
> bond during their journey to Brazil's remote Northeast region, the
> interplay between them is delightful to watch.
>
> 5. Secrets of the Heart
> Ican only interpret this film as a true mirror of what life was like
> in Spain during the 1960s. My Spanish father watched this film with me
> and told me how it captured a small town life from the view of a
> curious and innocently naive little boy. It reminded him of his
> childhood. I feel the slow pace in certain scenes, realistically
> captures what it is like for an active child who sits waiting for the
> attention he so much craves from the adults around him. Without any
> understanding of the hardships of real life that they are
> experiencing, and protecting him from. The movie will gratifyingly
> reveal the hidden "secrets" of the heart that we as viewers want to
> discover along with the boy.
>
> 6. Butterfly
> An interesting movie, but somewhat maudlin in parts. Beautiful
> scenery. Most interesting and provocative when it examines the
> reactions of a rural town and an individual family to the arrival of
> fascism to pre-World War II. Spain. Especially well suited for those
> viewers trying to learn Spanish, as the main actor, speaks a
> beautiful, clear and slow Spanish, and a student will not need to rely
> totally on subtitles.
>
> 7. La Ley de Herodes
> It's 1949, and following the brutal murder of a small Mexican town's
> mayor, the genteel and humble Juan Vargas (Damian Alcazar), a janitor,
> is appointed his successor. But in spite of his efforts to steer clear
> of corruption, Juan finally succumbs to the allure of dirty politics,
> emerging as a man with few scruples and deep grudges. Co-stars Pedro
> Armendariz Jr. and Delia Casanova.
>
> 8. El Abuelo or the Grandfather
> On learning that his son has died, an elderly Spanish man (Fernando
> Fernan-Gomez) returns home from California, having failed to strike it
> rich during the Gold Rush. Back in his native land, the man finds
> himself embroiled in a mystery when he learns that his now-deceased
> son only fathered one of the two "daughters" he left behind; now the
> old man must find out which one. The film received an Oscar nomination
> for Best Foreign Language Film
>
>

NARA film numbers for El Paso Alien Border Crossing are available online at www.familysearch.org (LDS) website. To view the name/film number listing, click on library; click on title search; type in El Paso Texas. Scan the listing, click on links that reference alien border crossing. One of the listing is a list of aliens arriving at Brownsville, Del Rio, Eagle Pass, El Paso, Laredo, Presidio, Rio Grande City, and Roma, Texas, May 1903-June 1909, and at Aros Ranch, Douglas, Lochiel, Naco and Nogales, Arizona, July 1906-December 1910.

Thanks Arturo for your help. Rich's GEDCOM file is now set up on the Nuestros Ranchos website. It was really quite painless. A few hic-cups, but I eventually clicked on the right buttons.
I noticed that my notation of DOC behind the dates also showed up in the database. This means we have the document in our files and if anyone needs a copy of a document that we have, let us know and we will scan it and send it on. If there is a notation of igi, it means we will look for that document on our next trip to the Family History Library in SLC, UT.

A few words about our fantastic 6 week vacation in our RV. We met many 'cyber' cousins as well as 3 Ranchos members. Arturo Ramos and Natalie Coleman met us at the Quaker Meeting House in Lincoln, Loudoun County, VA. Behind the Quaker Meeting House is the Goose Creek Cemetery where my ancestors were buried. What a beautiful setting to meet these Ranchos members. After a few days in the Richmond area, we were off to meet up with Joseph in North Carolina. Actually our third time meeting him since Ranchos was formed. Always great seeing Joseph. After a week or so in the GA area, we were off to the Houston area to meet Mickey Garica. Alicia, I really hope your Oct. trip to SLC is the same time as Mickey and Josie's trip in October. You must connect up with each other. Between the two of you, you both must have every book known. Mickey has a very extensive library in her home on Mexican History. Maybe Nuestros Ranchos could get a Resource section to our website listing members resource books.
Did I tell you, Mickey is also a quilter. Rich didn't stand a chance in the quilt shop. We had such a wonderful time in the Houston area.
Beside meeting Ranchos members, we scoured two cemeteries in PA and found my immigrant ancestor from Ireland and a whole new branch of the family. We also spent some time at the Bentley Historical Library in Ann Arbor, MI and found about 50 letters written to my ggggrandfather between 1830-1880. We already had 27 letters written to this grandfather from his son during the Civil War. We found those letter about 7 years ago and since we had time and were so close, I just wanted to go to the library and 'feel' the letters. I was sure surprised about the rest of the collection. In Champion, Indiana we found a will from my Hardman line which has broken down a brick wall we have had on that line for many years.
All in all a wonderful trip meeting new cousins and old cousins. We traveled 8,800 miles, averaged 18 mpg and gained a few pounds.
We hope to meet up with the Ranchos Group in Salt Lake City in October.
Thanks again Arturo for your help.

Rich and Kitty Cortez
Rocklin, CA

Yup! My tias worked at the Colon Theater and the Alcazar in El Paso in
the 1950s, so we would get in free. One of my tias married the nephew
of the couple (Sr. y Sra. Mauregui) who were the general managers of
both theaters. I remember seeing some stage shows at the Colon and
seeing Maria Antonietta Pons, who picked my older sister out of the
audience to come up on stage. A Mexican comedian named Mantequilla was
in love with another of my tias and asked to walk her home and followed
her even after she declined. My grandfather ran him off, and didn't
care who he was.

My father looked like Pedro Infante and Clark Gable (as Rhett Butler).
When I was little, I really did my father was onscreen whenever I saw
those two guys (in different movies, of course). I enjoyed Pedro's
movies, and Luis Aguilar, and Antonio Aguilar. I thought Miguel Aceves
was ugly but I enjoyed his singing. Tin-Tan and Mantequilla could make
me laugh. I also enjoyed Maria Victoria, Sylvia Pinal, and of course,
Maria Felix. Marge:)

On Jun 16, 2006, at 5:03 PM, natalie coleman wrote:

> I am aware that the following films were filmed in
> Zacatecas:
> "The Cisco Kid" (the one with Jimmy Smits and Cheech
> Marin);
> "The Old Gringo" (Gregory Peck, Jane Fonda - ?? - I
> can't remember for sure)
> They both have scenes featuring the Cathedral in the
> city of Zacatecas.
> What other films have been filmed in Zacatecas?
>
> Speaking of film - I grew up in Los Angeles, and when
> I was young (5-10 yrs of age) we would go once or
> twice a month to see Mexican movies at a theater in
> downtown L.A. (I think it was called the Million
> Dollar) - this was in the 40's. That was when Mexico
> had a film industry. My favorites were the films of
> Jorge Negrete and the ones of Cantinflas. Anyone else
> ever go see the Mexican movies??
>
> Hey - Y'all have a grand weekend - Happy Father's Day
> to you father's out there.
>
> Natalie
>
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Natalie,

My husband spent a summer staying with relatives in in LA in 1947, and he used to shine shoes for sailors and marines "downtown" in East LA on Brooklyn and Whittier and he remembers that afterwards he would take the money he earned and treat his aunt, uncle and cousins to the movies of Jorge Negrete, Cantinflas and Maria Felix. He says the name of the theater was The Million Dollar!

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

Yes, I went to see mexican movies in Sacramento at the Cine Centro which used to be located on Franklin Boulevard I believe. We would see Cantinflas, Pedro Infante, Mauricio Garcez, and Pedro Armendariz from what I can barely recall. We used to have popcorn and which we added a little of the vinagre de jalapeño or tobasco sauce. I believe it burned down and was never rebuilt but once in a while they also had singers perform their. The only one I remember was a guy named King Clave and his hit song was "Los hombres no deben de llorar". He stuck out in my memory because my cousin Toña got picked to go up and sing with him.

Thats All,
Maria Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

natalie coleman wrote:
I am aware that the following films were filmed in
Zacatecas:
"The Cisco Kid" (the one with Jimmy Smits and Cheech
Marin);
"The Old Gringo" (Gregory Peck, Jane Fonda - ?? - I
can't remember for sure)
They both have scenes featuring the Cathedral in the
city of Zacatecas.
What other films have been filmed in Zacatecas?

Speaking of film - I grew up in Los Angeles, and when
I was young (5-10 yrs of age) we would go once or
twice a month to see Mexican movies at a theater in
downtown L.A. (I think it was called the Million
Dollar) - this was in the 40's. That was when Mexico
had a film industry. My favorites were the films of
Jorge Negrete and the ones of Cantinflas. Anyone else
ever go see the Mexican movies??

Hey - Y'all have a grand weekend - Happy Father's Day
to you father's out there.

Natalie

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Linda,

Is there any way you can provide a URL to the information you posted on the two sites you mentioned. I tried browsing over there but I couldn't find anything.

Thanks,
Angie

Linda,

Is there any way you can provide a URL to the information you posted on the two sites you mentioned. I tried browsing over there but I couldn't find anything.

Thanks,
Angie

Ay apodos! One of my favorite subjects prima. Nena and I have spoken on this subject before. Often when discussing a family from the mentioned area (Teocaltitlan de Guadalupe & Jalostotitlan), we always have to revert to nicknames to know who we are speaking about. Many entire families have a particular nickname, especially in Teocalitan de Guadalupe, most commonly known as Tecua. For example, I have cousins who are known as "las Zorras" because of their mother's family. My sister-in-law's family is known as "Los Chivos", and another cousin's family were known as "Los Coyotes." In fact, just the other day, my dad was talking about his two granddaughters. He referred to one of them as being a Chiva, and the other one being like us.
Now, I asked my dad once. Hey dad, do we have a nickname? His response was a resounding, "No, my father never allowed nicknames because often the nicknames could be ugly, and often started in the home." As I got older and began to venture out and meet more people from Jalos & Tecua, I discovered that my dad's family were called, of course not to their face, "Los Patones," and my father was called, "La Escalera del Diablo. I learned that it had to do with his family's tall stature, and of course the large feet that come with being 6 ' 2". I believe he was a bully in his younger days--probably the diablo part. He's a very sweet and caring father to us. Needless to say, he wasn't happy when I asked him about this. His response was, " yeah I heard that one, but "ningun %$&&^% ever dared to say that to my face." :)
Do you Nena know why some of these families: Chivos, Zorras & Coyotes (el difunto Jose Gtz who married to Catalina Romo--parents of Isidro, Antonio, etc.,) were called that?
Irma

Dear Arturo,

Thank you so much for the kind words. My Portuguese family "alcunha/nickname," is "os papagaios," and I truly believe that I have been blessed with that gift of "gab." I don't recall seeing "nicknames," being used when viewing films for Nochistlan, nor Momax. Is it a custom/practice used of Spanish speaking people in Mexico? Pat
Arturo Ramos wrote:
Patricia:

I don't think anyone is going to complain about your messages to the group. Quite the opposite, I for one, am very glad that you have joined and that you and others have begun communicating via the lists and the site again.

There was a long period of silence there after the transition and it is good to know that members are still working on their research, are still finding treasures of information and are willing to share the information and success with the rest of us.

=====================
From: Patricia Corbera

Date: Wed Jun 14 22:36:40 CDT 2006
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pat and Maria - New Family: New files up-loaded

Hi Joseph and Fellow Ranchos,

Pretty soon, members are going to be saying... not that Pat person again...;-).