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Alicia,
while I think it's a wonderful idea, I don't think I (or every 
member) could commit to reading the same book. How about one member 
reads a book of their choice and makes a presentation to the rest of 
the group on the highlights of the book.  We could also consider a 
book-exchange.  I loan you one of mine and you loan me one of yours 
and we exchange back at the next meeting.  At any rate, I'll add this 
topic to our next meeting's agenda.
Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo" 
 wrote:
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> OK Northern Californian's, this is a challenge to us all. What if 
we 
> plan that for our next meeting in March we each present the name of 
1 
> book along with the author, the possible merits of the book to the 
> group and we vote on it as the book of the quarter. As the first 
book 
> it might be best if it's a book in english, a book we can all get 
> either through Amazon or any of the on-line booksellers and that 
the 
> book should

Feliz Año Nuevo!
So - what are your genealogical research resolutions or goals for 2006? 
A year ago I had hoped to be able to do much more than I accomplished 
(which, alas, was very little) - so I am once again going to establish 
some goals in hopes of focusing my efforts and making new discoveries.
I was just thinking of this today, so I haven't made any concrete goals 
yet, but I hope YOU will share YOUR goals, and I can get some good 
inspiration.
BTW - I like Alicia's idea of "Book of the Quarter" - a good way to 
increase one's knowledge; I look forward to seeing your recommendations.
Thank you all for sharing your knowledge, ideas, expertise, and 
adventures. It has been a great year!

Blessings to you all for 2006.

Natalie Castro Coleman in Virginia,
Primarily researching Castro, Garcia, and Dueñas from Hacienda 
Astillero, Valparaiso district, Zac., who eventually settled in the 
Guasti and Cucamonga, CA area.

OK Northern Californian's, this is a challenge to us all. What if we 
plan that for our next meeting in March we each present the name of 1 
book along with the author, the possible merits of the book to the 
group and we vote on it as the book of the quarter. As the first book 
it might be best if it's a book in english, a book we can all get 
either through Amazon or any of the on-line booksellers and that the 
book should be $50.00 or less because some of these books are very 
expensive.

Once we have decided on a book we can communicate it to all of the 
Ranchos members. Anyone from Ranchos who wants to participate can do 
so.

And here's to all of Ranchos, what say you on this matter because it 
is now on the table for commentaries, suggestions etc.

Feliz Año a todos........Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Mary Allen  
wrote:
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> Hello Victor:  
>    
>   I know this was addressed to Joseph, but I couldn't help but 
overhear!

I am willing to join a group like this. If the chapter and book
assigned to me is in English. It sounds like a great idea and a way
for many of us to contribute to our joint research.

Linda Romero

Joseph,

I've thought of something similar but instead of getting a group
together to simply comment about or review a history book, which is
very good, to take it one step further and together create a
searchable database with all the data of genealogical relevance.

Something similar to what we were doing with "The Colotlán Census"
from the Archivos Españoles where each team member gets assigned a
chapter or section of a book and as he/she is reading it enters the
who, when, where and what data into a previously agreed form.

When everybody gets their part done it would be a simple task to
concatenate all the parts into a single searchable database. Then we'd
select another book and do the same and so on.

The other part of the idea is to have a user interface that you can
access online where one would select a book's title from the database
and then be able to search for a person's name and get a list of all
the instances that the name appears and the associated events to it.
You

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
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> Victor,
>    
>   I have taken these quotes from pages xxvii. 
>    
>   En los ultimos años del siglo muchos de los hijos y nietos de
conquistadores estaban reducidos a la miseria. Formaban o pretendian
formar una especie de aristocracia que desdeñaba todo comercio,
granjeria o trabajo honesto y faltandoles ya las encomiendas, se
alampaban a los empleos con tal furia que no dejaban respirar a los
virreyes y aun sofocaban a la corte con diluvio de memoriales y
relaciones de meritos.
>    
>   Para todo se creian aptos por solo su abolengo. Eran en suma, una
nube de vagos con humos de grandes señores que veian de reojo a los
españoles llegados despues de la conquista porque con mejor acuerdo se
dedicaban a trabajar en el comercio o en la labor de la tierra. De su
industria sacaban comodidades que los de alcurnia de conquistadores
veian con envidia, y la desahogaban con morder despiadadamente a los
que llaman

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
>
> Victor,
>    
>   I have taken these quotes from pages xxvii. 
>    
>   En los ultimos años del siglo muchos de los hijos y nietos de
conquistadores estaban reducidos a la miseria. Formaban o pretendian
formar una especie de aristocracia que desdeñaba todo comercio,
granjeria o trabajo honesto y faltandoles ya las encomiendas, se
alampaban a los empleos con tal furia que no dejaban respirar a los
virreyes y aun sofocaban a la corte con diluvio de memoriales y
relaciones de meritos.
>    

Alicia,

I have read the same type of thing/behavior in books in English,
specifically in "Miners and Merchants in Bourbon Mexico, 1763-1810" by
D.A. Brading (Cambridge University Press). The gachupines would be
willing to work but their offspring would consider themselves
self-styled nobility. This must have gone on for centuries as
successive waves of Spanish immigrants came to Mexico; authors have
argued that it is one of

My grandmother's half-brothers and half-sisters great-grandmother was a
Sandoval. My grandmother's father was married twice--the first time to
Ma. Eleuteria Tovar/Tobar. This woman's parents were Mauricio Tovar
and Petra Escovedo/Escobedo. Petra's mother was a Sandoval--maybe
Maria Theresa Sandoval. Marge:)

On Dec 26, 2005, at 9:20 AM, glo Sandoval-Fuentes wrote:

Hi Margarita,

Yep, we came from Zacatecas. Do you have Sandovals?



               ~~glo~~







From: Margarita Vallazza 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:18:52 -0600

Glo,
Did your Sandovals come from Zacatecas?  My great-grandfather's first

wife's maternal grandfather was a Sandoval from either Jerez,
Tepetongo, or

Tlaltenongo (sp?).  Just wondering.  Marge:)
On Dec 22, 2005, at 8:04 AM, glo Sandoval-Fuentes wrote:

Peggy,

 I have two daughters, one is named: Angelita

Hi Margarita,

Yep, we came from Zacatecas. Do you have Sandovals?



              ~~glo~~







From: Margarita Vallazza 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Odd names WAS Re: [ranchos] Re: Godina Family
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:18:52 -0600

Glo,

Did your Sandovals come from Zacatecas? My great-grandfather's first
wife's maternal grandfather was a Sandoval from either Jerez, Tepetongo, or
Tlaltenongo (sp?). Just wondering. Marge:)

On Dec 22, 2005, at 8:04 AM, glo Sandoval-Fuentes wrote:

Peggy,

I have two daughters, one is named: Angelita Maria and the other is
Tiffany
Coreena, my Angel says her name is to ethnic and just goes by Angel and
my

 Tiffany says her name is to caucasian...go figure huh!

Then my sons are Daniel Sam  and  Bernardo Sandoval, they neither one
care

 about their names! smile



                ~~glo~~







 From: "Peggy Delgado" 
 Reply-To: ranchos

Alicia,

A couple of things: the book you refer to deals with a much earlier
period of Mexico's history. La Antorcha Encendida has to do with the
Independence period.

Your review of Baltazar Dorantes de Carranza's book, "Sumaria
Relación" taken from its introduction threw me a little off balance
with all those adjetives applied to the creoles like "lazy arrogant
vagrants", etc.

I have that same book and the text itself is definitely not about
that. In fact, Dorantes de Carranza was himself a descendant of one
of the conquistadors and he was among those who asked for some
concessions, so how could he judge so harshly his own peers? It is
obvious that generalizations like those in your review can lead to a
wrong impression.

For another perspective on that matter I recommend Mazzotti's article
"Resentimiento criollo y nación étnica".
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~icop/resentimientocriollo.html

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
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> Steve,
>

I buy tamales (de chile and de dulce) every year around this time and
share them with my daughters and grandkids. If I was home visiting my
sisters and my tias in El Paso, I would have a REAL Mexican Christmas,
too. Feliz Navidad y Prospero Año, primos y primas! Marge:)

I wanted to wish the members and families of this group a Merry 
Christmas. Your sharing of memories reminds me that this is a 
special time of year when we get to remember and smile with the 
stories of holidays gone by and stories of some lost traditions.  A 
bitter sweet time to remember those no longer with us and a chance 
to pass on traditions, foods and our personal family history to our 
children and grandchildren..

I called my widowed 85 year old father in California and he told me 
he had a 'A Real Mexican Christmas' My brother had bought Tamales 
and my daughter made beans, rice and Banuelos... Of course he and I 
talked about the days he's parents bought 60 pnds of beef and 60 
pnds of pork and the whole family would spend days making Tamales 
for Christmas Eve and enough for everyone to take some home too. We 
talked of the men sitting drinking, telling stories of their 
childhood holidays, the women cooking, laughing, chasing the 
children out of the kitchen and teaching