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Before you read further be aware that there might be content within this email that you don't agree with. In fact you might be terribly opposed to some of the ideas. I'd recommend that you contact Mimi and request to offer your rebuttal to any of the content with which you disagree. Aside from that please just be ready to click DELETE before moving forward. Thanks,

Joseph

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From: mimilozano@somosprimos.com [mailto:mimilozano@somosprimos.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:21 PM
To: mimilozano@aol.com
Subject: Somos Primos "We are cousins." February 2017

http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2017/spfeb17/spfeb17.htm

Dear family, primos and friends:

Hope you are greeting the new year with hope and peace. I keep learning new things which brightens my days. The world is such a miracle of balance, with extremes in every direction. We feel separate from one another and yet when you trace your family history, you see how you must be related on some level with everyone.
Under the DNA section, you'll find a mathematical graph of ancestry. If you take your pedigree back to the 1400s, you have 1,073,741,825 great, great, great, great, great grandparents; however, there were only 450,000,000, and you go back to two.

I had assumed in California, everyone knew a little Spanish and understood that the translation of Somos Primos meant, we are cousins.
I was surprised recently when a third person told me that they thought Somos Primos was saying . . . we were FIRST, which could be a little offensive.

Let suggest when you invite non-Spanish speakers to visit Somos Primos, you explain, we are not saying we are number one, or first, instead we are saying we are cousins, related, connected.

We may be diverse and visually different, but we are connected, sharing this very unique earth. Hopefully we can each make the world a little bit better, within our sphere of influence.

Among the photos are eleven photos, with only the date and location, for identification. Those are from a collection of tinted photochromes from the dawn of the 19th century. These were published by the Detroit Photographic firm (which no longer exists), their firm's photographers traveled the country snapping the sights of North America to be printed on postcards and sold to the public. These photos were among the Beinecke rare books and manuscript library. The Photo collection was
sent by Eva Booher EVABOOHER@aol.com

God bless America, may we continue to be a light to the world.

Mimi

01/26/2017 07:50 AM
TABLE OF CONTENTS

UNITED STATES
YouTube: President Trump's entire inaugural address Learn the Protection Granted You in the United States of America Constitution Students arrested for giving out copies of the US Constitution - Freedom to read Students reprimanded for expressing personal opinions - Freedom to think 5-minute Video: School choice Election Facts: Deduct California, and Trump won the popular votes 51.3% to Hillary's 48.7%.
Latino Representation in California (1849-2017) by John P. Schmal, January 15, 2017 Jose Antonio López: The Seven Sisters of Texas (Las siete hermanas de
Tejas)
The Roots of the Matter: Multiracial individuals celebrate at Mixed Remixed Festival Remembering A School 40 years later, a Fight for Equality His Players Disrespected The National Anthem, What This Coach Does in Response

HISTORIC TIDBITS
Españoles olvidados de Norteamérica by Jose Antonio Crespo-Frances How a US Republican President and a Mexican Youth Ended a Monarchy By Michael Hogan
1883 Texas land sells for 50 cent an acre

HISPANIC LEADERS
Jonathan Sanchez: Assoc. Publisher/COO, Eastern Group Publications Bishop Joseph J. Madera, The Roman Catholic Diocese of Fresno,

AMERICAN PATRIOTS
Borinqueneers "Year in Review" and Message from National Chair, Frank Medina

EARLY AMERICAN PATRIOTS
North Carolina State Archives, copies of:
October 18, 1777, 2-page letter From Patrick Henry to the General Bernardo de Galvez November 8, 1779, 4-page letter from Thomas Jefferson to General Bernardo de Galvez

SURNAMES
Naming system in Spain by Jack Carmena

FAMILY HISTORY
Back to 1400s You Have 1,073,741,825 great, great, great, great, great grandparents Six Things to Look for in Family Search in 2017 My Father Made Everyone Laugh at His Own Funeral by Jesús Ramírez New Resource: MyHeritage.com

EDUCATION
First Generation College Student Guide
Undocumented Ph.D. Makes History at UC Merced by Sasha Khokha

RELIGION
God Changes the Heart of ISIS Leader
United Nations Resolution 2334, based on inaccurate history Christian Clergy Welcomes Islam in Church, Then Bows to It by Giulio Meotti

CULTURE
Does Mexican Music Have German Roots? By Gerald Erichsen Political Salsa: Chicano music and los trovadores by Salomón R.
Baldenegro
History of the Tortilla... Latortilla Loca The Power of LARED-L, a National Network by Moderator Roberto Franco Vazquez María Teresa Márquez and CHICLE: The First Chicana/o Listserv Network

BOOKS AND PRINT MEDIA
Latino 247 Media Group . . . Formerly Latino Print Network Breaking and Bleeding of a Macho Man by Isabel Delia Gonzalez Dogged Pursuit: Tracking the Life of Enrique Garfias, First City Marshal of Phoenix, AZ Return to Arroyo Grande by Jesús Salvador Treviño We Became Mexican American: How Our Immigrant Family Survived to Pursue the
American Dream by Dr. Carlos B. Gil Beneath the Super Moon by Dr. Irene Blea El Censo de 1680 de la Gomera y El Hierro by Julio C. Vera

ORANGE COUNTY, CA
Feb 11: "The Who, What, When, Where, and Why of Writing:
Fun Ways to Trigger Memories, from Oral History to Written History"
by Mimi Lozano.
Feb 10: Civil Spirits: The Politics of Booze in Orange County, HMOC Feb 18: Celebrate Black History Month at the Heritage Museum of Orange County Feb 25: Un Tributo a Mexico, A Free Concert for Residents
45 Mexican Barrios/Colonias in Orange County in the 1900s by Dr. Albert Vela, Ph.D.
Santa Ana grads set record for bi-literacy, and state seals the deal

LOS ANGELES COUNTY
Zoot Suit runs at the Mark Taper Forum from January 31 to March 19, 2017.
Don't Just Cry, Qualify! Ortiz, the Hobo Professor by Rudy Padilla

CALIFORNIA
Juan Rodríguez Cabrillo, Citizen of Guatemala and Native of Palma del
Río:
New Sources from the Sixteenth Century by Wendy Kramer
Photo: Old Caretaker at Mission San Juan Capistrano, 1897 Historic Hispanic Clothing by Mary Schultz, MSE, MS 1st Battalion of Native Cavalry, California Volunteers, Prepared by Dr.
Albert Vela, Ph.D.
Circular Bridge, Mt. Lowe Railway 1897-1924

NORTHWESTERN, US
Photo: Temple Square, Salt Lake, 1898. Built as a Mormon temple in 1847
Photo: Salt Air Pavilion, Great Salt Lake, Utah, 1901. Burned down in 1925.

SOUTHWESTERN, US
February 1: Soldados del Presidio San Agustin del Tucson
Photo: Gold’s Curio Store, Santa Fe, New Mexico, circa 1897.
Descendants of Native American Slaves In New Mexico Emerge From Obscurity
Photo: Pack Trail Ready for Mines, Colorado, 1904

TEXAS
Dr. Dr. Félix D. Almaraz Jr. & Gilberto Quezada, teacher/student friendship of 49 years.
March 2-4th: 121st Texas State Historical Association Annual Meeting Tejano and the Rise of Commercial: Ranching in Texas, 1848-1920
by Dr. Armando Alonzo
April 8: 5th Anniversary Celebration: Unveiling of Tejano Monument, Texas State Capitol January 13th, 1847 -- Future scalp hunter enlists in army January 19th, 1858 -- German school chartered in Austin Tejano History Matters by Dan Arellano, St. Mary's University Spanish Archives of Laredo by J. Gilberto Quezada A Tribute to Miss Carmen Perry by J. Gilberto Quezada Texas Alliance of Land Grant Descendants (TALGD) Texas State Historical Association Newsletter

MIDDLE AMERICA
Winter Living on the Farm, The Learning Years 1945-1950 by Rudy Padilla
200 years of Baton Rouge: A city that grew up around present-day downtown .
Photo: St. Charles Street, New Orleans, 1900 The cultural project about the Descendants of Canary Islanders in the US

EAST COAST
The Last Address: photo-montage series/oral history/book project by award-winning artist
Leslie Starobin Now Through April 2017
Photo: The Broadwalk, Atlantic City, 1900
Photo: A Monday washing, New York City, 1900

CARIBBEAN REGION
For the Borinqueneers "Year in Review" go to American Patriots

AFRICAN-AMERICAN
$7.75 million grant program to Rosenwald Schools

INDIGENOUS
Árbol genealógico de un descendientes de Moctezuma
Photo: Navaho Woman Weaving a Blanket, 1902
Photo: Cliff Palace, Mesa Verde, Colorado, 1904

SEPHARDIC
Latinos along border discover Sephardic Jewish heritage, by Mercedes Olivera Narratives from the Sephardic Atlantic by Dr. Ronnie Perelis Europe's Jihad against Israel Spanish Jewish Names Coming from Jewish Persons

ARCHAEOLOGY
Una navaja multiusos romana de hace 1800 años Wreck of 16th-Century Spanish Ship Found Off Florida Coast by Stephanie Pappas

MEXICO
Valentin Gomez. Farias, Padre del Reforma, Handwriting Analysis by Sister Mary Sevilla CSJ Kindred Group 2016 Genealogy Year End Report ¿Quiénes son los jarochos? por Rosalba Quintana Bustamente y Jairo E.
Jimenez Sotero
Matrimonio del Teniente Coronel don Bernardo Villamil con doña Marìa Josefa de la Gandara El bautismo y segundo matrimonio de Don Tirso Castillon Saenz El bautismo, matrimonio y defunción de doña Marìa Eufemia de los Angeles Castillon Mùzquiz

CENTRAL & SOUTH AMERICA
¿Qué nos separa de España?
América Española, Historia e Identidad en un Mundo Nuevo La masiva expulsión de españoles de América: la infame historia que escondió la independencia Juan Latino: El primero negro catedrático de gramática de España

PHILIPPINES
Racism, an Abbreviated Essay by Eddie AAA Calderón, Ph.D.

SPAIN
Spain: a First-Time Visitor’s Overview ~ Nick Petrie La nacionalidad de Cristóbal Colón por Jose Maria Lancho El Castillo de los Mendoza Donde reposan los restos de Da. Juana de Zúñiga la esposa de Hernán Cortés
y de Catalina Cortés una de sus hijas.

INTERNATIONAL
Kiva: Loans that change lives across the globe “King Mohammed VI Renames Marrakech Neighborhood to Original Jewish Name”
The $2.6 Billion Treasure Still Lost at The Bottom of the Sea by Allison McNearney The Islamization of France in 2016: France has a problem with Islam bu Soeren Kern

Hola Raza , I was cruising through Matrimonios-Jalostotitlan-1717-1748 Image # 261 (left hand side) ,and can't figure out where/how about the parents of Miguel Gutierrez-Coronado -son of Joseph Gutierrez-Coronado and Mariana Hermosillo . The other side is a Theresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo daughter of Geronimo Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Mathiana or Mariana Lomelin. Both Miguel Gutierrez- Coronado and Theresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo married 20 of Jan. 1731 . I can't figure where/what the Parents of these two belong .

Thank you for time

Ronnie

I have been trying to find my grandparents Teodoro Duran and Anastacia Viramontes they may have been born about 1830's thank you to anyone that can help me out.

Hello everyone, I've been away from my research for a few years and have recently started in again. I was wondering if anyone could help me with the translation on the link I've included. I have gotten out of practice in these three years I've been inactive. My ancestor, Refugio Berumen on the right page was always referred to as "hija natural ". This is the only document that named her father as Cayetano Gonzales, but I would have expected "hija ilgitima", instead it's another word that I've not seen before and can't quite make out. If anyone is familiar with it please let me know.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-4K3X-GD?mode=g&cc=1804458

I hope this is the right place to introduce myself. I am here because of my children and grandchildren, descendants of the Bernals from Aguascalientes. Most of the ancestors are from Asientos, but other Ranchos (I think they're ranchos) are the following: Jaltomate, Santa Rita, Chalchihuites, San Jose de Garcia, Rincón de Romos, Rancho La Carreta, Tepesala, and Sierra de Pinos. The information about the family can be found here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jking2000

On a personal note, I lived in Mexico for 20 years (12 in México, DF, and 8 in Xalapa, Veracruz) where I played with several of the symphony orchestras. I am living in Canada since 1986. My children were both born in Mexico City. My son and his 3 boys live in Australia, and my daughter, here in Canada, with her son and daughter. We all adore Mexico and return whenever we can.

I hope to find out more about the Ranchos, of course. I've started reading....

Por cierto, hablo español. Me da gusto que me hayan acceptado a este grupo. Muchas gracias! Thank you!

Joan King (Spouse Antonio Leopoldo Bernal Krizman, deceased)

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Could someone help me and tell me what this says about my ancestor Antonio
Escoto y Tovar. The writing on the Jalostotlilan records are very hard to
read

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FM9R-2Y?i=65&wc=3J4Y-DP8%3…

Danny C. Alonso

Danny Aonso: Unos de mis bisabuelos fue:

Toribio Hernández de Arellano
1534–

BIRTH 1534 • Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico
DEATH UNKNOWN • Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico

Marcy Marquez Dulka

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2. Re: Possible Toribio Hernandez (Danny Alonso)----------------------------------------------------------------------
2Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 18:34:43 -0800From: Danny Alonso To: research@nuestrosranchos.orgSubject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Possible Toribio HernandezMessage-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8Daniel and Mr. Ricci,i've always enjoyed all of your theories and Daniel, I actually have a lotof questions about some of the ones about some of the families I come from,but about the Hernandez de Arellano family, i was wondering what you boththink the reason is that no one is named after Toribio. in the Romo deVivar's theres a bunch of people named Diego and in the Martin deSotomayor's a bunch name Andres, but in the Hernandez de Arellano family icant think of one person name Toribio, doesnt that seem strange?Danny C. Alonso

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

Im trying to find the parents of don Joseph de Villalobos and Doña Melchora
Gutierrez. They had children in the 1690s and probly earlier too. she died
in 1711 in aguascalientes but it doesnt name her parents. theres a death
record in 1699 for a joseph de villalobos that was married to a melchora
but it doesn't name his parents either. im just wondering whether anyone
knows the parents for this couple.

Danny C. Alonso

Alguno de ustedes de casualidad tiene los padres de la pareja formada por Felipe Lopez y Francisca Gonzalez cuyo matrimonio fue el 1 de julio de 1662 en Teocaltiche.

Ellos tuvieron como hijos al menos a:

-Juan, bautizado el 8 de febrero de 1681 en Teocaltiche y casado el 22 de mayo de 1707 en Aguascalientes con Isadora Ramirez Ramirez.

-Maria Bautizada el 14 de Octubre de 1685 en Teocaltiche

Gracias.

I'm asking for help from my fellow Rancheros. I have family line to Joseph Manuel Alvarado and Perfecto Alvarado. Both have daughters one named Maria Dionisia Alvarado the other Maria Daria Alvarado. I found birth and marriage records that are so confusing and seem to point to possibly Joseph Manuel and Perfecto are the same person. However, documents show how the scribes constantly crossed reference the wrong Daria Alvarado or Dionisia Alvarado. They both married a Tello who were cousins.

Can someone help me confirm if Daria/Dionisia may have married the other cousin once the husband passed away. I will need to send the records for your review to help establish a definite conclusion and solve the confusion. I will be glad to communicate via personal email to better submit the records.

Thanks.

Yolie

Acta original del entierro de don Juan González de Hermosillo, quien falleció el día 6 de enero de 1666 en Juanacatlán, pero su cuerpo traído a Jalostotitlán para enterrar.

[Foja 14 vuelta] "1666 a.s - Ju.o gonçales de hermosillo =
En seis de henero de mill seisçientos y sesenta y seis años, traxeron a enterrar de la Ju.on de XonaCatlán a Juan Gonçales de hermosillo, resçivió de mano del P.e Fr. P.o de San andrés el S.to dio confesso no pudo resçivir el S.to viático avía hecho en la enfermedad, muchas veçes. testó Juntam.te con su muger ana gonçales ante el B.r Gaspar Cortés hurtado de mendoça, correxidor que fue de Colimilla en veinte de febrero del año pasado de mill seisçientos y sesenta y çinco; declar tener pasadas las mandas forçosas tener dichas las misas q.e por dho testam.to avía mandado deçir y lo rrebocó = dexa una manda de çient pesos a María de hermosillo, su yja viuda = no dexa otra obra pía, erederos sus yjos. mandóse enterrar en este pueblo de Xalostotitlán; enterréle con vig.a cantada y missa cantada de cuerpo presente = díxoce la misa de la cofradía del S.mo S.to con vig.a cantada = díxozele la de las ánimas y la de la soledad, con vigilias cantadas = . . . Fr. Ju.o Góm.s de Santiago (rúbrica).”

Aquí la misma acta pero transcrita con ortografía moderna y sin abreviaturas...

[Foja 14 vuelta] "1666 años- Juan González de Hermosillo =
En seis de enero de mil seiscientos y sesenta y seis años, trajeron a enterrar de la Jurisdicción de Juanacatlán a Juan González de Hermosillo, recibió de mano del Padre Fray Pedro de San Andrés el Sacramento dio confesso no pudo recibir el Santo viático había hecho en la enfermedad, muchas veces. Testó Juntamente con su mujer Ana González ante el Bachiller Gaspar Cortés Hurtado de Mendoza, corregidor que fue de Colimilla en veinte de febrero del año pasado de mil seiscientos y sesenta y cinco; declar tener pasadas las mandas forzosas tener dichas las misas que por dicho testamento había mandado decir y lo rebocó = deja una manda de cien pesos a María de Hermosillo, su hija viuda = no deja otra obra pía, herederos sus hijos. Mandóse enterrar en este pueblo de Jalostotitlán; enterréle con vigilia cantada y misa cantada de cuerpo presente = díjose la misa de la cofradía del Santísimo Sacramento con vigilia cantada = díjosele la de las ánimas y la de la soledad, con vigilias cantadas = . . . Fray Juan Gómez de Santiago (rúbrica).”

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18450-50456-97?cc=1874591&wc…

Suerte primos...
SFHL

Christoval Gomes b. 1680 m. Dona Maria Rodriguez *(Familysearch.org LRH4-N4C)
​

Juana Gertrudis Gomes b.abt.1701 most likely Agostadero Pinos, Zac.
m. Don Joseph Vicente Morquecho Quixas b. abt. 1688 with a dispensa Primer Grado in 1732

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-B39L-2G

(Son) Francisco Bonifacio Morquecho Gomes b. 1734
m. Maria Dionicia Delgado P. Julian Delgado y Ma. Rita Gomes de Sotomaior(5xG)

(Son) Juan Thomas Morquecho Gomes b.1742
m. Maria Josepha Raphaela Delgado P. Julian Delgado y Ma. Rita Gomes de Sotomaior(5xG)

(Daughter) Maria Phelipa Rosalia (4xG) abt. 1743
m. Julian Delgado Gomes b.1741 P. Julian Delgado y Ma. Rita Gomes de Sotomaior

(Daughter) Barbara Morquecho b. abt. 1735
m. Domingo Anastacio Gomes P. Juan Baltazar Gomes Ruiz y Catalina Bernarda Aguilar
Note: Juan Baltazar’s parents are Mathias Gomes de Sotomaior y
Ysavel Ruiz de Villasenor (Abalos)

(Son) Esiderio Morquecho b. 1725
m. Maria Antonia Gomes P. Juan Baltazar Gomes Ruiz y Catalina Bernarda Huerta
Note: Juan Baltazar’s parents are Mathias Gomes de Sotomaior y
Ysavel Ruiz de Villasenor (Abalos)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BW1D-X

I have searched for the dispensa that would give Juana Gertrudis age but I did not see find it. Her brothers found are andres Gomes b. 18 FEB 1704 Pinos, and Thoribio Gomes 21 MAY 1705, Pinos. Her son Esiderio b. 1725 is 7 years before the Dispensa which is probably why they had to get a Dispensa.

Does anyone know where else to look for the dispensa? Perhaps someone has or knows of this family and possibly know if Christobal Gomes is part of the Gomes Martin, Ruelas de Sotomaior family and possibly know who Dona Maria Rodriguez is? There are a lot of Rodriguez interwoven in this family as well as Delgado. Thanks, Simona

(to follow in English)

He descubierto algo muy interesante, ¿a lo mejor tendra alguien mas informacion sobre esta linea?

En mis lineas tengo a Diego Magdaleno casado con Mariana de Aguirre, radicados en Jalostotitlan. Desciendo de su hija Maria Alvarez, casada con Joseph Macias de Ayala en Aguascalientes en 1703.

Segun la genealogia dada en el siguiente blog, Diego Magdaleno es hijo de Diego Magdaleno y de Lorenza de Ovalle; Diego Magdaleno I es hijo de Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno (Regidor de Valladolid, Mich) y de Isabel de Soria; Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno nacio en Tordesillas en el 1554, hijo de Alonso Mejia y de Francisca Magdaleno Escudero. Pasaron a Indias Geronimo e Isabel en el 1583, acompañados por su hija Francisca Mejia Magdaleno y su esposo Juan Salceda Andrade. Vivian en Valladolid, Michoacan:
Genealogia de Mexico 28 Jun 2007
http://genealogias.wordpress.com/2007/06/28/genealogiaorgmx-12530-apell…

Da la misma genealogia Guillermo Lohmann Villena en su “Los Americanos en los ordenes nobliliarias Tomo I” (SALCEDA, Jeronimo Magdaleno de, 452, p. 384)
http://books.google.com/books?id=Jlefq-NJKq0C&pg=PA384&lpg=PA384&dq=ger…

Se base esta genealogia en la Prueba de Nobleza/Limpieza de Sangre de un nieto de Geronimo Magdaleno, el Capitan Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda, hijo de Juan Salceda Andrade y de Francisca Mejia Magdaleno. Se realizo la Prueba en el año 1651 y en España, lejos de Valladolid, Michoacan:

ES.28079.AHN/1.-2.-1.6.4//OM-CABALLEROS_SANTIAGO,Exp.7451
Salceda y Mejía, Jerónimo Magdaleno de
1651
Consejo de Órdenes (España)
Pruebas para la concesión del Título de Caballero de la Orden de Santiago de Jerónimo Magdaleno de Salceda y Mejía, natural de Valladolid de Michoacán, Alcalde Mayor y Teniente de Capitán General de las villas de San Miguel y San Felipe

Tengo dudas sobre esta genealogia. En ni uno de los demas documentos encontrados en los PARES-AGIS, tratando de los Magdaleno en Valladolid durante aquella epoca, sale el apellido compuesto "Mejia Magdaleno"; lo que si sale es "Magdaleno de Mendoza."

Y mas, segun la confirmacion de oficio de Geronimo Magdaleno cuando fue nombrado Regidor de Valladolid en 1602, dice que su padre es FRANCISCO MAGDALENO, que estaba casado con Elvira de Mendoza:

ES.41091.AGI/10.5.11.556//CONTRATACION,961,N.16
Bienes de difuntos: Elvira de Mendoza
1635
Casa de la Contratación de las Indias (España)
Autos sobre bienes de difuntos de Elvira de Mendoza, vecina de Valladolid de Michoacan, casada con Francisco Magdaleno nombrado también como Juan de Torres Tremiño, sus hijos: Juan de Torres Mendoza y Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza. Difunta en Valladolid de Michoacan, con cláusula de testamento. Albacea: Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza. Herederos: Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza y Juan de Torres Mendoza, su nieto, clérigo

Hay mas: al mirar los archivos de FamilySearch en Morelia entre los años 1594-1621, ni sale el nombre de Isabel de Soria como esposa de Geronimo Magdaleno, sino el de Maria Cecilia Patiño (hija del Capitan Francisco Patiño de Herrera). Ni salen los apellidos "Escudero" ni "Soria," como era normal dar a por lo menos una hija el apellido maternal para no perderlo.

Entonces, ¿es posible que hay dos Geronimo Magdaleno Regidores de Valladolid, Michoacan, con hijas nombradas Francisca casadas con Juan Salceda? Por lo citado, solo hay uno y es hijo de Francisco Magdaleno y de Elvira de Mendoza y casado con Maria Cecilia Patiño (tal vez con Isabel de Soria en 1o?), y que la genealogia de los Magdaleno dada en la Prueba de 1651 es falsa o por lo menos falta una generacion; que se equivocaron los testigos o mentieron.

Mira, de la Prueba de 1651, sale el arbol asi:
I. Alonso Mejia casado con Francisca Magdaleno Escudero (Castro Verde del Campo)
II. Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno casado con Isabel de Soria (b. 1556, ella 1560, Tordesillas)
III. Francisca Mejia Magdaleno casada con Juan Salceda Andrade (paso a Indias en 1583, ya casada, ¿cuando su madre tenia 23 años?).
IV. Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda y Mejia (27-30 años en 1651:b. 1621-1624)

Y de mis investigaciones, mis fuentes siendo PARES-AGIS, FamilySearch, y "Haciendas de tierra y agua de la antigua cienega de Chapala" por Heriberto Moreno Garcia, parece asi:
I. Francisco Magdaleno casado con Elvira de Mendoza (ex-regidor de Jaen; hacendado de Cuitzian en Valladolid, Mich; ella nacida en Sevilla)
II. Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza casado con Maria Cecilia Patiño. En Mexico, 1590-1600 (aunque puede ser su 2o m.).
III. Francisca Magdaleno de Mendoza casada con Juan Salceda Andrade (en Mexico, hacia 1619)
IV. Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda (b. 1621-1624)

Falta una generacion en la genealogia de la Prueba de 1651, y que no es posible que Juan Salceda y Francisca Magdaleno ya estaban casados en 1583, cuando solo tenia la madre de ella 23 años. Mas, su hijo Nicolas Salceda tenia 16 años cuando fue nombrado Regidor de Valladolid en el 1658 (b. 1641-2).

Para orientarnos:

Regidor Geronimo Magdaleno y Maria Cecilia Patiño bautizaron a:
Elvira Magdalena, b. 18 May 1603, Morelia.
Maria Magdaleno, b. 22 Dec 1607, Morelia.

Se ven sus nombres y los de Francisco Magdaleno y de Elvira de Mendoza con frecuencia en los bautismos y matrimonios en Morelia entre 1597 y 1611, como padrinos o testigos.

Juan Salceda Andrade y Francisca Magdaleno bautizaron a Joseph, 20 May 1620, Morelia.

El Licenciado Joseph Magdaleno de Mendoza era beneficiado del partido de Juchitlan cuando fallecio 15 Jun 1624, en Valladolid, Mich. Era bachiller cuando bautiso a una nina llamada Andrea, 07 Dic 1600, sus padrinos Francisco Magdaleno y Beatriz de Sosa. Por eso lo tengo como hijo de Francisco y de Elvira.

El Licenciado Gonzalo Magdaleno de Mendoza era beneficiado de Aguacana en Abr 1624 y en May 1625. Fue padrino de Joachin, hijo de padres no concocidos, 19 Feb 1607, su madrina Doña Geronima de Mendoza. Pueden ser hijos los dos de Francisco Magdaleno y de Elvira de Mendoza, o ella hermana de Elvira.

Busco documentacion (fuente primaria o por lo menos desde Mexico: bautismos, matrimonios, defunciones, IMes, dispensas) sobre ellos y sobre los siguientes:
- Geronimo Magdaleno casado con Isabel de Soria.
- Diego Magdaleno casado con Lorenza de Ovalle.
- Que Diego Magdaleno casado con Mariana de Aguirre, es hijo de Diego Magdaleno y Lorenza de Ovalle.

Segun Moreno Garcia en "Haciendas de tierra y agua...," Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza tenia un hermano, Diego Magdaleno de Mendoza, jinete y hacendado, que tenia dos hijos, sin nombrar a la madre: Juan de Lievana y Diego Magdaleno, los dos clerigos. Cita a "Familias y casa de la vieja Valladolid," por Gabriel Ibarrola Arriaga. Tendra un ejemplo alguien?

Gracias antemano,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

I have Diego Magdaleno married to Mariana de Aguirre in my lines.

According to the genealogy given in this blog, Diego Magdaleno is the son of Diego Magdaleno and Lorenza de Ovalle; Diego Magdaleno I is son of Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno (Regidor de Valladolid, Mich) and Isabel de Soria; Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno was born in 1554 in Tordesillas, Castilla, son of Alonso Mejia and Francisca Magdaleno Escudero. Geronimo and Isabel passed to Indies in 1583, accompanied by their daughter, Francisca Mejia Magdaleno and her husband Juan Salceda Andrade. They lived in Valladolid, Michoacan:
Genealogia de Mexico 28 Jun 2007
http://genealogias.wordpress.com/2007/06/28/genealogiaorgmx-12530-apell…

Guillermo Lohmann Villena gives the same genealogy in his “Los Americanos en los ordenes nobliliarias Tomo I” (SALCEDA, Jeronimo Magdaleno de, 452, p. 384)
http://books.google.com/books?id=Jlefq-NJKq0C&pg=PA384&lpg=PA384&dq=ger…

This genealogy is based on the Prueba de Nobleza/Limpieza de Sangre of a grandson of Geronimo Magdaleno, Capitan Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda y Mejia, son of Juan Salceda Andrade and Francisca Magdaleno. The Proof was conducted in Spain in 1651, and not in Valladolid Mich:

ES.28079.AHN/1.-2.-1.6.4//OM-CABALLEROS_SANTIAGO,Exp.7451
Salceda y Mejía, Jerónimo Magdaleno de
1651
Consejo de Órdenes (España)
Pruebas para la concesión del Título de Caballero de la Orden de Santiago de Jerónimo Magdaleno de Salceda y Mejía, natural de Valladolid de Michoacán, Alcalde Mayor y Teniente de Capitán General de las villas de San Miguel y San Felipe

I have doubts about this genealogy; in none of the other documents found at PARES AGIS, regarding the Magdaleno of Valladolid during this time period, is there mention of the compound surname "Mejia Magdaleno; instead, we find "Magdaleno de Mendoza."

And more, on the Confirmacion de Oficio of Geronimo Magdaleno, when he was named Regidor of Valladolid in 1602, it says his father was FRANCISCO MAGDALENO, who was married to Elvira de Mendoza:

ES.41091.AGI/10.5.11.556//CONTRATACION,961,N.16
Bienes de difuntos: Elvira de Mendoza
1635
Casa de la Contratación de las Indias (España)
Autos sobre bienes de difuntos de Elvira de Mendoza, vecina de Valladolid de Michoacan, casada con Francisco Magdaleno nombrado también como Juan de Torres Tremiño, sus hijos: Juan de Torres Mendoza y Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza. Difunta en Valladolid de Michoacan, con cláusula de testamento. Albacea: Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza. Herederos: Jerónimo Magdaleno de Mendoza y Juan de Torres Mendoza, su nieto, clérigo

There's more: when looking through the archives of Morelia, Mich, for the years 1594-1621, Isabel de Soria does not appear as the wife of Geronimo Magdaleno, instead, we find Maria Cecilia de Patiño (daughter of Capitan Francisco Patiño de Herrera). Nor do the surnames "Escudero" or "Soria" appear in any of the Magdaleno lines in Valladolid, as it was the norm to give at least one heir a lost maternal surname.

Is it possible there were two Regidor Geronimo Magdaleno's, who both had daughters named Francisca married to Juan Salceda Andrade? According to what I've cited, there was only one, and hd was the son of Francisco Magdaleno and Elvira de Mendoza, and he was married to Maria Cecilia Patiño (although possible with Isabel de Soria in 1o), and that the genealogy given in the Prueba of 1651 is wrong or at least skips a generation: the witnesses were wrong, or they lied.

Look, according to the Prueba of 1651, the tree looks like this:
I. Alonso Mejia casado con Francisca Magdaleno Escudero (Castro Verde del Campo, Zamora)
II. Geronimo Mejia Magdaleno casado con Isabel de Soria (b. 1556, Tordesillas)
III. Francisca Mejia Magdaleno casada con Juan Salceda Andrade (passed to Indies 1583, already married, when her mother was only 23?).
IV. Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda y Mejia (age 27-30 in 1651:b. 1621-1624)

And from my research, my sources being PARES-AGIS, FamilySearch, and "Haciendas de tierra y agua de la antigua cienega de Chapala" by Heriberto Moreno Garcia, it looks like this:
I. Francisco Magdaleno casado con Elvira de Mendoza (el, ex-regidor de Jaen; hacendado de Cuitzian; ella nacida en Sevilla)
II. Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza casado con Maria Cecilia Patino. En Mexico hacia 1590 (puede ser su 2o m.).
III. Francisca Magdaleno de Mendoza casada con Juan Salceda Andrade (en Mexico, ca 1619)
IV. Geronimo Magdaleno Salceda y Mejia (age 27-30 in 1651:b. 1621-1624)

The Prueba of 1651 skips a generation, and there's no way Juan Salceda and Francisca Magdaleno were married before 1583, when their son Nicolas Salcedo was only 16 when he was named Regidor in 1658 (b. 1641-2).

To establish a timeline and orient ourselves:

Geronimo Magdaleno y Maria Cecilia Patiño baptized:
Elvira Magdalena, b. 18 May 1603, Morelia.
Maria Magdaleno, b. 22 Dec 1607, Morelia.

Their names, along with those of Francisco Magdaleno and Elvira de Mendoza, are seen frequently in the baptisms and marriages in Morelia between 1597 & 1611, as padrinos or testigos.

Juan Salceda Andrade and Francisca Magdaleno baptized Josepha, 20 May 1620, Morelia.

Licenciado Joseph Magdaleno de Mendoza, was beneficiado of the partido de Juchitlan when he died 15 Jun 1624, in Valladolid. He was a bachiller when he baptized a child named Andrea, 07 Dic 1600, her padrinos Francisco Magdaleno y Beatriz de Sosa. For this reason, I have him as a son of Francisco & Elvira.

Licenciado Gonzalo Magdaleno de Mendoza was beneficiado de Aguacana in Abr 1624 and May 1625. He was padrino for Joachin, hijo de padres no concocidos, 19 Feb 1607, madrina Doña Geronima de Mendoza. They could be children of Francisco Magdaleno and Elvira de Mendoza, or she Elvira;s sister.

Does anybody have any documentation that would support the Mejia Magdaleno genealogy? Looking for documentation (preferably primary source: baptism, marriage or death - and from Mexico!), that shows:
Geronimo Magdaleno married to Isabel de Soria.
Diego Magdaleno married Lorenza de Ovalle.
That Diego Magdaleno, married to Mariana de Aguirre, is the son of Diego Magdaleno and Lorenza de Ovalle

According to Moreno Garcia in "Haciendas de tierra y agua...," Geronimo Magdaleno de Mendoza had a brother, Diego Magdaleno de Mendoza, jinete y hacendado, who had two sons: Juan de Lievana y Diego Magdaleno, both were clerics. He cites "Familias y casa de la vieja Valladolid," by Gabriel Ibarrola Arriaga. Would anyone have access to a copy?

Thank you in advance,
Manny Diez Hermosillo

ES.41091.AGI/23.10.176//MEXICO,176,N.30
CONFIRMACION DE OFICIO: GERONIMO MADALENO
1602-7-18
Expediente de Confirmación del oficio de regidor de Valladolid, en Michoacan a Gerónimo Madaleno. Resuelto

There was a question on another genealogy site regarding a baptism record. In the margin under the child's name was, C.A. The record read: Ynft ciud. Agr. I've never seen wording like this before-Ynfante Ciudadano Agraciado(?) In other records people were listed as C.d E- Ciudadano del Estado? I don't know where the record in from but still would like your input. Thanks.

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

does anyone have information where the informacion matrimonial are for
Monterrey, Nuevo Leon. the matrimonios go back to 1600s but the informacion
matrimonials start in 1888. they have to be somewhere else. does anybody
know where theyre at?

Danny C. Alonso

Hello, I am interested in the couple Jose Antonio Castellanos & Maria Luisa Navarro. They are my fifth great-grandparents and I am having trouble finding any information on them. M. Luisa is especially important as she is the furthest line in my mtDNA that I've been able to track. Here is what I know:

Maria Luisa Navarro was born abt. 1787 near Ocotlán, Jalisco, Mexico. She married Jose Antonio Castellanos (same age estimates) around 1806 near Ocotlán, Jalisco, Mexico. I was able to locate two daughters: i. [Maria Primitiva Castellanos Navarro (born about 1811 in Santa Clara, Ocotlán) who married Jose Abato Padilla Ortega on 25 Mar 1829 in Ocotlán, Jalisco, Mexico. They had three sons I could locate: Fermin Padilla Castellanos (6 Jul 1833, Ocotlan), Jose Catarino De Jesus Padilla Castellanos (24 Nov 1838, Ocotlan) and Benigno Padilla Castellanos (12 Feb 1841, Ocotlan)...]

ii. [&&& my 4th maternal great-grandmother Magdalena Castellanos Navarro (born about 1816 in Santa Clara, Ocotlán) who married Jose Camilo Navarro Vargas (BIRTH ABT 1810 in Pochote, La Barca, Jalisco, Mexico) on 29 Jul 1830 in Ocotlan, Jalisco, Mexico. They had two children I could locate: M. Francisca Navarro Castellanos (3 Apr 1833, La Barca) and Antonio Navarro Castellanos (abt 1836, prob La Barca)]

Both daughter's marriage records as well as their daughter's children's maternal grandparents are named as some variation of Jose Antonio Castellanos & Maria Luisa Navarro.

I have seen a record for a Maria Carlota Castellanos Navarro whose baptism date was 14 Oct 1805 in Ocotlán but the parents are listed as only Jose Castellanos and Maria Navarro. Those were common last names so I don't want to assume.

Also, I found a record with an Antonio Castellanos who married a Magdalena Navarro on 9 Jan 1780 in Ocotlán and had a daughter named Magdalena on 27 Jul 1784 also in Ocotlán. However, none of Antonio and Luisa's children's or grandchildren's records show Luisa listed as Magdalena so again I don't want to assume.

Any information would be greatly appreciated!

Vanessa

Hola a todos nuestros amigos de nuestros ranchos. Hoy quisiera preguntar si alguien tiene alguna informacion acerca de esta hacienda llamada san bartolome en aguascalientes. se que el dia de hoy existe una con el nombre de san bartolo al sureste de la ciudad de ags. Me pregunto si es la misma que tiempo de la colonia tenia el nombre de san bartolome. Mi pregunta es por el motivo de que al casar en santa Maria de los lagos Mi primer ancestro conocido con el apellido cardona. Llamado Francisco de Cardona que caso en 1673 con Luisa Gonzales o de Rodas. comenta ser originario de esta hacienda en la villa de Aguascalientes y ser hijo de Otro Francisco de Cardona y la mama lleva el apellido Carvajal. Gracias por su ayuda de antemano y seguimos en contacto.

I need help reading a document. Can someone help me please.

I have attache the file. The one for Hernandez Sabino please.

Thanks

Maria Cortes

Im so excited

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> Marcelina, No todo los casos que se modificaban los apellidos sino era como
> el cura notaba el apellido. Munguía y Murguía es tradicionalmente aceptado
> como la misma familia en la provincia de Avalos. Sin duda son dos casas
> distintas en la península; Munguía siendo originaria de Castilla y Murguía
> del País Vasco. No se sabe quienes fueron los padres de D. Nicolás de
> Munguía, marido de Da. María Infante de Villegas, pero si los tengo en mi
> archivo familiar ya que una hija suya Da. Cecilia de Munguía y Villegas
> casó D. Manuel de Aranda Puelles, Señor Divisero del Solar de Puelles. Un
> chozno de esta pareja, D. Crescencio de Aranda Puelles y Villalobos casó a
> Da. Josefa de Camino y Valle Menín Velarde, miembro de mi casa materna. Su
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Hello Nuestros Ranchos forum,

i was wondering if anyone has any information on don Joaquin Cervantes and
doña Maria Alberta Duron. theyre probly born around 1750. i guess theyre
from Aguascalientes around the Rincon de Romos. The marriage of their
daughter doña Rafaela Cervantes to don Gabriel Olivares is the only
information i have about them

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DZNQ-SNL

Danny C. Alonso

Has anyone here taken any classes from Family Tree University? If so, I'd really be interested to hear what you think of them.

I just signed up for my first course there "Deep DNA Analysis Techniques" on 1/24/17. It looks pretty interesting and the cost wasn't outrageous. (It's inexpensive enough for me to give them a try, at any rate.) More info on the DNA class here for anyone else who might be interested: http://www.shopfamilytree.com/deep-dna-analysis-techniques-r6155?utm_so…

I should add that I'm not affiliated with the organization in any way --I'm just sharing because I know a lot of us are getting DNA done in hopes of advancing our research. This class seems like a good way to learn more about how to do that, and I hope it is!

CindyF
http://genieresearch.blogspot.com/

Hola a todos los genealogistas:

En mis búsquedas encontré que desciendo de Nicolás de Murguía y de María Infante de Villegas, quienes fueron padres en Santa María de Los Lagos de:

1688 María
1689 Joseph
1692 Cecilia
1697 Antonio

La ascendencia de María Infante (N. 1663) ya ha sido estudiada, pero en el caso de Nicolás de Murguía no he encontrado a sus padres. Varias genealogías le atribuyen el año de 1628 como año de nacimiento sin citar ninguna fuente.

Por mi parte encontré que varias familias relacionadas tanto con los Díaz Infante como con los Villaseñor, entre ellos los Murguía y los Velasco estuvieron en Tamazula de Gordiano en el S.XVII . Encontré en Familysearch a un Nicolás de Munguía, hijo de Hernando de Munguía e Isabel de Velasco bautizado en Tamazula el día 7 de junio de 1655 Batch C603751.

Así mismo se abutizaron en Tamazula en 1678 Rosalía y Catalina y en 1688 Antonia, hijas de Rodrigo de Velasco y María de Munguía.

¿Serán éstos Munguía ascendientes de Nicolás de Murguía? ¿Existió un cambio en la ortografía?

Por otra parte en éste mismo foro se ha mencionado a una familia Murguía de Zacatecas, relacionados con la familia de los Reyes.

Reciban todos saludos y mis mejores deseos para que tengan unos días de paz y alegría.

Marcelina

Creo haber encontrado algunos datos de interés de esta familia establecida en los Altos de Jalisco. En la obra del Licenciado Mariano González Leal no encuentro estos datos y creo que son de importancia para los que descienden de dicha familia.

Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México.

Hola a todos.
Quisiera pedirles su ayuda con mi investigación de la familia Villaseñor, que vivieron entre los estados de Jalisco, Michoacán y Guanajuato.

Joseph Manuel de Villaseñor y Gil de Hoyos se casó con Francisca de la Parra alrededor de 1792 en Pénjamo. Sé que estaba emparentado con los Villaseñor de Don Miguel Hidalgo pero no he encontrado el enlace.

También tengo a Francisco de Villaseñor, casado con Francisca de Gálvez en Michoacán y que estaba emparentado con el anterior. Ambos usaban el apellido Marín de Villaseñor.

Agradezco mucho de antemano.

Many people have posted that they have tested their DNA for research into their genealogy. From what I’ve read on this forum many of them have not researched which DNA company to use. They automatically go to AncestryDNA because it is affiliated with Ancestry.com.

I would like to suggest that before you spend a considerable amount of money on DNA research, you check out the three main genealogy DNA companies. The largest database belongs to FamilyTreeDNA. They have been offering their service the longest with high integrity and service. The second testing company is 23andMe which offers health information along with genealogy research. The last one is AncestryDNA which piggybacks on Ancestry.com. Ancestry.com is a huge database which collects free genealogy information and sells it to you.

Cece Moore, The Genetic Genealogist writes: "The first step is to determine your testing goals. Do you have a general curiosity about genetic genealogy or is your focus more specific? For example, please consider the following questions:

• Are you primarily interested in researching your surname?
• Are there specific brick walls that you wish to target with the use of DNA testing?
• How far back in your family tree are these brick walls?
• What is the ancestral pattern back to these brick walls, i.e.- mother’s mother’s mother or father’s mother’s mother’s father?
• Are you ready for a long-term project or do you desire quick answers?
• Are there adoptions in your family tree that you would like to explore?
• Is your primary interest receiving a percentage breakdown of your overall ancestral origins or “ethnicity”?"

For further information and an unbiased report to help you decide which is best for your research purposes:

http://isogg.org/wiki/Beginners'_guides_to_genetic_genealogy
https://www.geni.com/blog/dna-testing-for-genealogy-getting-started-par…
http://www.dna-testing-adviser.com/DNA-Testing-Guide.html

Linda Romero